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00:00:12,286\n謝謝主席麻煩勞動部和部長\n\n2\n00:00:19,540 --> 00:00:40,061\n部長好我想一位年輕公務員之死會引起全國這麼大的軒然之波應該是超過預期造成的影響那看了部長的這些過程跟所做的報告大家認為還是有需要麻煩部長\n\n3\n00:00:42,983 --> 00:00:57,793\n繼續針對這位年輕公務員之死要有更多的檢討也希望能夠做出更妥善的因應跟處理這是一開始的時候要請部長針對這個過程希望給國人有更好的一個交代\n\n4\n00:00:58,833 --> 00:01:24,580\n今天要跟部長討論兩個事情首先是簡單的帶過勞工健康檢查資料跟預防醫學的部分第二部分就是針對這個個案其實牽涉的範圍非常的廣泛包括公務人員的休假時間的保障跟心理輔導的資源能不能夠將來有機會去避免這樣類似的案件再度的發生\n\n5\n00:01:26,140 --> 00:01:42,486\n有關於這個勞工健檢資料的落實用以來作為慢性病防治的可行性我們期待的是從目前的這個政策跟執行裡面我們知道所有的僱主要僱用勞工的時候一開始都要施行體科檢查\n\n6\n00:01:44,046 --> 00:02:12,317\n在他在職的時候呢都需要後續的健康檢查那這個健康檢查他有相關的資料呢最後都要報告到這個主管機關來做核定或是備查那我們很期待這些的資料如果將來可以跟衛福部這邊有更好的連結讓衛福部在推動888健康計畫的時候能夠運用這樣的資料讓全民的\n\n7\n00:02:13,397 --> 00:02:13,877\n當然當然,我們會來跟衛福部討論\n\n8\n00:02:34,022 --> 00:02:56,345\n好那我們等一下臨時提案也會把這部分請大家共同來確認好那第二部分呢就是有關於剛剛所提到的這個公務人員的自殺大家不知道還有沒有印象其實在106年107年的時候考試院全序部就曾經做過報告\n\n9\n00:02:57,606 --> 00:03:16,794\n在當年公務人員的五大死因裡面第一項是癌症第二項是心臟疾病第三項就是自殺那當年自殺有14人高居第三位那從占比來看公務人員跟一般的民眾比起來\n\n10\n00:03:17,734 --> 00:03:45,807\n他是有三倍之多所以很顯然這個是一個很重要的問題在106、107年都有相關的資料很可惜的是後來就沒有相關資料持續的披露那這一部分我們不知道未來有沒有機會再做相關的披露那當然這個需要請考試院或銓敘部來做這部分資料的披露\n\n11\n00:03:47,987 --> 00:04:03,017\n抱歉我可不可以先請教一下我們這個程序部有沒有長官可以來麻煩針對這部分程序部後續可以做哪一些的內容的披露嗎\n\n12\n00:04:03,917 --> 00:04:33,066\n報告委員這個部裡面有統計到今年的8月為止因為有一些這個自殺的撫恤的案件呢它報送的程序會大概要1到2個月的一個落差所以我們統計到今年的8月大概就我們的觀察從106、107乃至於到2012和今年的8月之前每年的人數沒有太大的變化大約一年當中都是在20來人左右\n\n13\n00:04:33,806 --> 00:04:48,576\n那今年1到8月是17人,所以數字上沒有增加或是減緩的趨勢是,還有個案了解他自殺的原因或者是有沒有潛在可能跟今天的個案有類似的可能性的機會\n\n14\n00:04:50,104 --> 00:05:14,749\n因為報導網部裡面來的我們就是針對自殺除非機關會報送說是要因公的這個自殺案件那不然一般的自殺案件就是用病故或意外死亡那所以我們看不出來他的原因那如果報了因公的案件我們才會去探究說他這樣的自殺是不是跟這個職務上的一個壓力或者是說過勞有關\n\n15\n00:05:16,249 --> 00:05:20,778\n那這樣的案件報送過來的並不多大概都是用一般的病或意外死亡報送過來\n\n16\n00:05:22,966 --> 00:05:45,803\n聽起來有點不是很完整所以我相信我會持續的針對這些內容做進一步的了解看未來如果我們可以避免或者是我剛所提到的這個宣傳大波如果我們能夠從這些個案裡面去檢討希望能夠避免未來持續發生類似的個案好謝謝\n\n17\n00:05:48,164 --> 00:06:13,421\n其實勞動部本身包括何部長我們在勞動部裡面也看到說有提撥相關的持續推動員工協助的方案每一年是會有45萬元的預算這一部分其實以前勞動部做的成績還蠻好的因為我們從行政院的人事行政總處看到歷年的得獎\n\n18\n00:06:14,582 --> 00:06:19,740\n告訴我們說其實至少在110年的時候勞動部還是得到優等獎\n\n19\n00:06:21,519 --> 00:06:25,480\n其實即便連今年我們的員工EAP方案都還是優等的\n\n20\n00:06:49,227 --> 00:06:50,447\n我本來就規劃從明年開始\n\n21\n00:07:07,453 --> 00:07:29,625\n現在已經正在辦採購,就是希望及時提供心理醫師、心理諮商以及精神科醫師就醫的實際支持,就是說你打電話去,馬上就找得到,這樣子,這樣的就醫資源或者是諮商資源,這樣子,而不是還要層層轉接,因為我們的員工業批方案基本上是跟張老師合作,\n\n22\n00:07:30,385 --> 00:07:56,897\n他就是打去社工接嘛社工在轉介能不能有心理諮商師或精神科醫師這樣這有都是慢半拍啦你不能及時接觸有需要的人那另一方面就是說有時候是這樣就是說你職場上面那個員工之間同仁之間能不能彼此分享支持然後能夠遇到問題然後甚至能幫忙轉介然後及時就醫甚至\n\n23\n00:07:57,777 --> 00:08:19,468\n有一個最重要的要克服那一種汙名化的問題我想委員您是醫師您非常清楚到精神科就醫至今在臺灣還是被汙名化的所以這是一個很嚴重的大家都不重視心理衛生的狀態那麼所以你有這一種甚至你有自殺的念頭事實上那本來就應該就醫了對那其實是應該要去就醫的對啊\n\n24\n00:08:23,391 --> 00:08:42,949\n謝謝部長這樣的回答我相信所有的單位不管是在哪一個機關都應該有類似的機制存在才有辦法讓所有的同仁都能夠得到彼此之間的支持跟互相的關懷不過有關於上一次有跟部長所質詢的離線權的問題\n\n25\n00:08:45,992 --> 00:09:10,033\n離線權的確那個時候部長也有討論到說因為已經有相當的規範告訴我們在於勞工針對雇主非正常的工作時間要求要隨時來恢復相關的這個主管的要求的時候其實是可以透過這種勞資的協商方式而比較難法制化\n\n26\n00:09:10,914 --> 00:09:25,430\n那發生這樣的事情我相信跟離線權之間是否能夠有效的法治化還是有關聯性所以期待我們能夠麻煩部長這邊尤其是其他的這個勞動階層有機會繼續來考慮這個法治化的部分\n\n27\n00:09:31,457 --> 00:09:54,158\n這部分當然我們很期待勞動部要持續的來加強這個勞資雙方對於勞工下班被要求工作的這個權利跟規範要更多大力的宣導因為很有可能大家對這樣的這種離線權的這種處理模式還不是非常清楚這個部分也麻煩部長能夠持續來演繹\n\n28\n00:09:56,540 --> 00:10:06,098\n那當然除了勞工朋友以外其實公務人員能不能有類似的比照未來在離線權的部分\n\n29\n00:10:07,483 --> 00:10:07,963\n公務人員離線權處理模式\n\n30\n00:10:33,888 --> 00:11:00,405\n報告委員依據公務員服務法我們目前的規範的精神因為公務員現在他是跟國家是公法上的職務關係那一般來講就是要提供民眾的不間斷的公共服務所以在下班時間如果真的有急要的公務的話我們還是必須要做處理所以我們之前在研修服務法的時候確實也有考量到離線權這樣一個趨勢但是\n\n31\n00:11:03,787 --> 00:11:17,378\n因為在公部門的部分它有提供公共服務的這樣的一個需求所以離線權這個部分可能要再進一步的觀察才能夠考量是不是要在公務部門放進服務法的規範\n\n32\n00:11:19,159 --> 00:11:36,238\n是這個可以理解不過也希望能夠未來在要件的部分可以更明確一些您剛剛所提到的內容是大家都可以理解的所以這部分也麻煩考試院、全序部跟人事總處能不能針對這部分再多演繹好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8224\t12286\t謝謝主席麻煩勞動部和部長\n19540\t40061\t部長好我想一位年輕公務員之死會引起全國這麼大的軒然之波應該是超過預期造成的影響那看了部長的這些過程跟所做的報告大家認為還是有需要麻煩部長\n42983\t57793\t繼續針對這位年輕公務員之死要有更多的檢討也希望能夠做出更妥善的因應跟處理這是一開始的時候要請部長針對這個過程希望給國人有更好的一個交代\n58833\t84580\t今天要跟部長討論兩個事情首先是簡單的帶過勞工健康檢查資料跟預防醫學的部分第二部分就是針對這個個案其實牽涉的範圍非常的廣泛包括公務人員的休假時間的保障跟心理輔導的資源能不能夠將來有機會去避免這樣類似的案件再度的發生\n86140\t102486\t有關於這個勞工健檢資料的落實用以來作為慢性病防治的可行性我們期待的是從目前的這個政策跟執行裡面我們知道所有的僱主要僱用勞工的時候一開始都要施行體科檢查\n104046\t132317\t在他在職的時候呢都需要後續的健康檢查那這個健康檢查他有相關的資料呢最後都要報告到這個主管機關來做核定或是備查那我們很期待這些的資料如果將來可以跟衛福部這邊有更好的連結讓衛福部在推動888健康計畫的時候能夠運用這樣的資料讓全民的\n133397\t133877\t當然當然,我們會來跟衛福部討論\n154022\t176345\t好 那我們等一下臨時提案也會把這部分請大家共同來確認好 那第二部分呢就是有關於剛剛所提到的這個公務人員的自殺大家不知道還有沒有印象其實在106年107年的時候考試院全序部就曾經做過報告\n177606\t196794\t在當年公務人員的五大死因裡面第一項是癌症第二項是心臟疾病第三項就是自殺那當年自殺有14人高居第三位那從占比來看公務人員跟一般的民眾比起來\n197734\t225807\t他是有三倍之多所以很顯然這個是一個很重要的問題在106、107年都有相關的資料很可惜的是後來就沒有相關資料持續的披露那這一部分我們不知道未來有沒有機會再做相關的披露那當然這個需要請考試院或銓敘部來做這部分資料的披露\n227987\t243017\t抱歉我可不可以先請教一下我們這個程序部有沒有長官可以來麻煩針對這部分程序部後續可以做哪一些的內容的披露嗎\n243917\t273066\t報告委員 這個部裡面有統計到今年的8月為止因為有一些這個自殺的撫恤的案件呢它報送的程序會大概要1到2個月的一個落差所以我們統計到今年的8月大概就我們的觀察從106、107乃至於到2012和今年的8月之前每年的人數沒有太大的變化大約一年當中都是在20來人左右\n273806\t288576\t那今年1到8月是17人,所以數字上沒有增加或是減緩的趨勢是,還有個案了解他自殺的原因或者是有沒有潛在可能跟今天的個案有類似的可能性的機會\n290104\t314749\t因為報導網部裡面來的我們就是針對自殺除非機關會報送說是要因公的這個自殺案件那不然一般的自殺案件就是用病故或意外死亡那所以我們看不出來他的原因那如果報了因公的案件我們才會去探究說他這樣的自殺是不是跟這個職務上的一個壓力或者是說過勞有關\n316249\t320778\t那這樣的案件報送過來的並不多大概都是用一般的病或意外死亡報送過來\n322966\t345803\t聽起來有點不是很完整所以我相信我會持續的針對這些內容做進一步的了解看未來如果我們可以避免或者是我剛所提到的這個宣傳大波如果我們能夠從這些個案裡面去檢討希望能夠避免未來持續發生類似的個案好 謝謝\n348164\t373421\t其實勞動部本身 包括何部長我們在勞動部裡面也看到說有提撥相關的持續推動員工協助的方案每一年是會有45萬元的預算這一部分其實以前勞動部做的成績還蠻好的因為我們從行政院的人事行政總處看到歷年的得獎\n374582\t379740\t告訴我們說其實至少在110年的時候勞動部還是得到優等獎\n381519\t385480\t其實即便連今年我們的員工EAP方案都還是優等的\n409227\t410447\t我本來就規劃從明年開始\n427453\t449625\t現在已經正在辦採購,就是希望及時提供心理醫師、心理諮商以及精神科醫師就醫的實際支持,就是說你打電話去,馬上就找得到,這樣子,這樣的就醫資源或者是諮商資源,這樣子,而不是還要層層轉接,因為我們的員工業批方案基本上是跟張老師合作,\n450385\t476897\t他就是打去社工接嘛社工在轉介能不能有心理諮商師或精神科醫師這樣這有都是慢半拍啦你不能及時接觸有需要的人那另一方面就是說有時候是這樣就是說你職場上面那個員工之間同仁之間能不能彼此分享支持然後能夠遇到問題然後甚至能幫忙轉介然後及時就醫甚至\n477777\t499468\t有一個最重要的要克服那一種汙名化的問題我想委員您是醫師您非常清楚到精神科就醫至今在臺灣還是被汙名化的所以這是一個很嚴重的大家都不重視心理衛生的狀態那麼所以你有這一種甚至你有自殺的念頭事實上那本來就應該就醫了對那其實是應該要去就醫的對啊\n503391\t522949\t謝謝部長這樣的回答我相信所有的單位不管是在哪一個機關都應該有類似的機制存在才有辦法讓所有的同仁都能夠得到彼此之間的支持跟互相的關懷不過有關於上一次有跟部長所質詢的離線權的問題\n525992\t550033\t離線權的確那個時候部長也有討論到說因為已經有相當的規範告訴我們在於勞工針對雇主非正常的工作時間要求要隨時來恢復相關的這個主管的要求的時候其實是可以透過這種勞資的協商方式而比較難法制化\n550914\t565430\t那發生這樣的事情我相信跟離線權之間是否能夠有效的法治化還是有關聯性所以期待我們能夠麻煩部長這邊尤其是其他的這個勞動階層有機會繼續來考慮這個法治化的部分\n571457\t594158\t這部分當然我們很期待勞動部要持續的來加強這個勞資雙方對於勞工下班被要求工作的這個權利跟規範要更多大力的宣導因為很有可能大家對這樣的這種離線權的這種處理模式還不是非常清楚這個部分也麻煩部長能夠持續來演繹\n596540\t606098\t那當然除了勞工朋友以外其實公務人員能不能有類似的比照未來在離線權的部分\n607483\t607963\t公務人員離線權處理模式\n633888\t660405\t報告委員依據公務員服務法我們目前的規範的精神因為公務員現在他是跟國家是公法上的職務關係那一般來講就是要提供民眾的不間斷的公共服務所以在下班時間如果真的有急要的公務的話我們還是必須要做處理所以我們之前在研修服務法的時候確實也有考量到離線權這樣一個趨勢但是\n663787\t677378\t因為在公部門的部分它有提供公共服務的這樣的一個需求所以離線權這個部分可能要再進一步的觀察才能夠考量是不是要在公務部門放進服務法的規範\n679159\t696238\t是 這個可以理解不過也希望能夠未來在要件的部分可以更明確一些您剛剛所提到的內容是大家都可以理解的所以這部分也麻煩考試院、全序部跟人事總處能不能針對這部分再多演繹好 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席麻煩勞動部和部長\n部長好我想一位年輕公務員之死會引起全國這麼大的軒然之波應該是超過預期造成的影響那看了部長的這些過程跟所做的報告大家認為還是有需要麻煩部長\n繼續針對這位年輕公務員之死要有更多的檢討也希望能夠做出更妥善的因應跟處理這是一開始的時候要請部長針對這個過程希望給國人有更好的一個交代\n今天要跟部長討論兩個事情首先是簡單的帶過勞工健康檢查資料跟預防醫學的部分第二部分就是針對這個個案其實牽涉的範圍非常的廣泛包括公務人員的休假時間的保障跟心理輔導的資源能不能夠將來有機會去避免這樣類似的案件再度的發生\n有關於這個勞工健檢資料的落實用以來作為慢性病防治的可行性我們期待的是從目前的這個政策跟執行裡面我們知道所有的僱主要僱用勞工的時候一開始都要施行體科檢查\n在他在職的時候呢都需要後續的健康檢查那這個健康檢查他有相關的資料呢最後都要報告到這個主管機關來做核定或是備查那我們很期待這些的資料如果將來可以跟衛福部這邊有更好的連結讓衛福部在推動888健康計畫的時候能夠運用這樣的資料讓全民的\n當然當然,我們會來跟衛福部討論\n好 那我們等一下臨時提案也會把這部分請大家共同來確認好 那第二部分呢就是有關於剛剛所提到的這個公務人員的自殺大家不知道還有沒有印象其實在106年107年的時候考試院全序部就曾經做過報告\n在當年公務人員的五大死因裡面第一項是癌症第二項是心臟疾病第三項就是自殺那當年自殺有14人高居第三位那從占比來看公務人員跟一般的民眾比起來\n他是有三倍之多所以很顯然這個是一個很重要的問題在106、107年都有相關的資料很可惜的是後來就沒有相關資料持續的披露那這一部分我們不知道未來有沒有機會再做相關的披露那當然這個需要請考試院或銓敘部來做這部分資料的披露\n抱歉我可不可以先請教一下我們這個程序部有沒有長官可以來麻煩針對這部分程序部後續可以做哪一些的內容的披露嗎\n報告委員 這個部裡面有統計到今年的8月為止因為有一些這個自殺的撫恤的案件呢它報送的程序會大概要1到2個月的一個落差所以我們統計到今年的8月大概就我們的觀察從106、107乃至於到2012和今年的8月之前每年的人數沒有太大的變化大約一年當中都是在20來人左右\n那今年1到8月是17人,所以數字上沒有增加或是減緩的趨勢是,還有個案了解他自殺的原因或者是有沒有潛在可能跟今天的個案有類似的可能性的機會\n因為報導網部裡面來的我們就是針對自殺除非機關會報送說是要因公的這個自殺案件那不然一般的自殺案件就是用病故或意外死亡那所以我們看不出來他的原因那如果報了因公的案件我們才會去探究說他這樣的自殺是不是跟這個職務上的一個壓力或者是說過勞有關\n那這樣的案件報送過來的並不多大概都是用一般的病或意外死亡報送過來\n聽起來有點不是很完整所以我相信我會持續的針對這些內容做進一步的了解看未來如果我們可以避免或者是我剛所提到的這個宣傳大波如果我們能夠從這些個案裡面去檢討希望能夠避免未來持續發生類似的個案好 謝謝\n其實勞動部本身 包括何部長我們在勞動部裡面也看到說有提撥相關的持續推動員工協助的方案每一年是會有45萬元的預算這一部分其實以前勞動部做的成績還蠻好的因為我們從行政院的人事行政總處看到歷年的得獎\n告訴我們說其實至少在110年的時候勞動部還是得到優等獎\n其實即便連今年我們的員工EAP方案都還是優等的\n我本來就規劃從明年開始\n現在已經正在辦採購,就是希望及時提供心理醫師、心理諮商以及精神科醫師就醫的實際支持,就是說你打電話去,馬上就找得到,這樣子,這樣的就醫資源或者是諮商資源,這樣子,而不是還要層層轉接,因為我們的員工業批方案基本上是跟張老師合作,\n他就是打去社工接嘛社工在轉介能不能有心理諮商師或精神科醫師這樣這有都是慢半拍啦你不能及時接觸有需要的人那另一方面就是說有時候是這樣就是說你職場上面那個員工之間同仁之間能不能彼此分享支持然後能夠遇到問題然後甚至能幫忙轉介然後及時就醫甚至\n有一個最重要的要克服那一種汙名化的問題我想委員您是醫師您非常清楚到精神科就醫至今在臺灣還是被汙名化的所以這是一個很嚴重的大家都不重視心理衛生的狀態那麼所以你有這一種甚至你有自殺的念頭事實上那本來就應該就醫了對那其實是應該要去就醫的對啊\n謝謝部長這樣的回答我相信所有的單位不管是在哪一個機關都應該有類似的機制存在才有辦法讓所有的同仁都能夠得到彼此之間的支持跟互相的關懷不過有關於上一次有跟部長所質詢的離線權的問題\n離線權的確那個時候部長也有討論到說因為已經有相當的規範告訴我們在於勞工針對雇主非正常的工作時間要求要隨時來恢復相關的這個主管的要求的時候其實是可以透過這種勞資的協商方式而比較難法制化\n那發生這樣的事情我相信跟離線權之間是否能夠有效的法治化還是有關聯性所以期待我們能夠麻煩部長這邊尤其是其他的這個勞動階層有機會繼續來考慮這個法治化的部分\n這部分當然我們很期待勞動部要持續的來加強這個勞資雙方對於勞工下班被要求工作的這個權利跟規範要更多大力的宣導因為很有可能大家對這樣的這種離線權的這種處理模式還不是非常清楚這個部分也麻煩部長能夠持續來演繹\n那當然除了勞工朋友以外其實公務人員能不能有類似的比照未來在離線權的部分\n公務人員離線權處理模式\n報告委員依據公務員服務法我們目前的規範的精神因為公務員現在他是跟國家是公法上的職務關係那一般來講就是要提供民眾的不間斷的公共服務所以在下班時間如果真的有急要的公務的話我們還是必須要做處理所以我們之前在研修服務法的時候確實也有考量到離線權這樣一個趨勢但是\n因為在公部門的部分它有提供公共服務的這樣的一個需求所以離線權這個部分可能要再進一步的觀察才能夠考量是不是要在公務部門放進服務法的規範\n是 這個可以理解不過也希望能夠未來在要件的部分可以更明確一些您剛剛所提到的內容是大家都可以理解的所以這部分也麻煩考試院、全序部跟人事總處能不能針對這部分再多演繹好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.224 --> 00:12.286\n謝謝主席麻煩勞動部和部長\n\n00:19.540 --> 00:40.061\n部長好我想一位年輕公務員之死會引起全國這麼大的軒然之波應該是超過預期造成的影響那看了部長的這些過程跟所做的報告大家認為還是有需要麻煩部長\n\n00:42.983 --> 00:57.793\n繼續針對這位年輕公務員之死要有更多的檢討也希望能夠做出更妥善的因應跟處理這是一開始的時候要請部長針對這個過程希望給國人有更好的一個交代\n\n00:58.833 --> 01:24.580\n今天要跟部長討論兩個事情首先是簡單的帶過勞工健康檢查資料跟預防醫學的部分第二部分就是針對這個個案其實牽涉的範圍非常的廣泛包括公務人員的休假時間的保障跟心理輔導的資源能不能夠將來有機會去避免這樣類似的案件再度的發生\n\n01:26.140 --> 01:42.486\n有關於這個勞工健檢資料的落實用以來作為慢性病防治的可行性我們期待的是從目前的這個政策跟執行裡面我們知道所有的僱主要僱用勞工的時候一開始都要施行體科檢查\n\n01:44.046 --> 02:12.317\n在他在職的時候呢都需要後續的健康檢查那這個健康檢查他有相關的資料呢最後都要報告到這個主管機關來做核定或是備查那我們很期待這些的資料如果將來可以跟衛福部這邊有更好的連結讓衛福部在推動888健康計畫的時候能夠運用這樣的資料讓全民的\n\n02:13.397 --> 02:13.877\n當然當然,我們會來跟衛福部討論\n\n02:34.022 --> 02:56.345\n好那我們等一下臨時提案也會把這部分請大家共同來確認好那第二部分呢就是有關於剛剛所提到的這個公務人員的自殺大家不知道還有沒有印象其實在106年107年的時候考試院全序部就曾經做過報告\n\n02:57.606 --> 03:16.794\n在當年公務人員的五大死因裡面第一項是癌症第二項是心臟疾病第三項就是自殺那當年自殺有14人高居第三位那從占比來看公務人員跟一般的民眾比起來\n\n03:17.734 --> 03:45.807\n他是有三倍之多所以很顯然這個是一個很重要的問題在106、107年都有相關的資料很可惜的是後來就沒有相關資料持續的披露那這一部分我們不知道未來有沒有機會再做相關的披露那當然這個需要請考試院或銓敘部來做這部分資料的披露\n\n03:47.987 --> 04:03.017\n抱歉我可不可以先請教一下我們這個程序部有沒有長官可以來麻煩針對這部分程序部後續可以做哪一些的內容的披露嗎\n\n04:03.917 --> 04:33.066\n報告委員這個部裡面有統計到今年的8月為止因為有一些這個自殺的撫恤的案件呢它報送的程序會大概要1到2個月的一個落差所以我們統計到今年的8月大概就我們的觀察從106、107乃至於到2012和今年的8月之前每年的人數沒有太大的變化大約一年當中都是在20來人左右\n\n04:33.806 --> 04:48.576\n那今年1到8月是17人,所以數字上沒有增加或是減緩的趨勢是,還有個案了解他自殺的原因或者是有沒有潛在可能跟今天的個案有類似的可能性的機會\n\n04:50.104 --> 05:14.749\n因為報導網部裡面來的我們就是針對自殺除非機關會報送說是要因公的這個自殺案件那不然一般的自殺案件就是用病故或意外死亡那所以我們看不出來他的原因那如果報了因公的案件我們才會去探究說他這樣的自殺是不是跟這個職務上的一個壓力或者是說過勞有關\n\n05:16.249 --> 05:20.778\n那這樣的案件報送過來的並不多大概都是用一般的病或意外死亡報送過來\n\n05:22.966 --> 05:45.803\n聽起來有點不是很完整所以我相信我會持續的針對這些內容做進一步的了解看未來如果我們可以避免或者是我剛所提到的這個宣傳大波如果我們能夠從這些個案裡面去檢討希望能夠避免未來持續發生類似的個案好謝謝\n\n05:48.164 --> 06:13.421\n其實勞動部本身包括何部長我們在勞動部裡面也看到說有提撥相關的持續推動員工協助的方案每一年是會有45萬元的預算這一部分其實以前勞動部做的成績還蠻好的因為我們從行政院的人事行政總處看到歷年的得獎\n\n06:14.582 --> 06:19.740\n告訴我們說其實至少在110年的時候勞動部還是得到優等獎\n\n06:21.519 --> 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這個部裡面有統計到今年的8月為止因為有一些這個自殺的撫恤的案件呢它報送的程序會大概要1到2個月的一個落差所以我們統計到今年的8月大概就我們的觀察從106、107乃至於到2012和今年的8月之前每年的人數沒有太大的變化大約一年當中都是在20來人左右"},{"start":273.806,"end":288.576,"text":"那今年1到8月是17人,所以數字上沒有增加或是減緩的趨勢是,還有個案了解他自殺的原因或者是有沒有潛在可能跟今天的個案有類似的可能性的機會"},{"start":290.104,"end":314.749,"text":"因為報導網部裡面來的我們就是針對自殺除非機關會報送說是要因公的這個自殺案件那不然一般的自殺案件就是用病故或意外死亡那所以我們看不出來他的原因那如果報了因公的案件我們才會去探究說他這樣的自殺是不是跟這個職務上的一個壓力或者是說過勞有關"},{"start":316.249,"end":320.778,"text":"那這樣的案件報送過來的並不多大概都是用一般的病或意外死亡報送過來"},{"start":322.966,"end":345.803,"text":"聽起來有點不是很完整所以我相信我會持續的針對這些內容做進一步的了解看未來如果我們可以避免或者是我剛所提到的這個宣傳大波如果我們能夠從這些個案裡面去檢討希望能夠避免未來持續發生類似的個案好 謝謝"},{"start":348.164,"end":373.421,"text":"其實勞動部本身 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