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00:03:05,134\n結構體的問題就是檢驗師本身他沒有佩戴事實上我們去的時候以往我們並沒有收集到相關的訊息所以之後我覺得教育是需要提升的就是員工也要知道他的權益不是說業者另外的話我們在修法的時候請主委簡短回答我想請問你像這樣的公司在你們要監管中的全國有幾家\n\n10\n00:03:07,165 --> 00:03:36,768\n一萬多家一萬多家我看你們這次給我們的資料你們好像只有九十幾家在你報告中有被你們去所謂的檢測嘛那所以你們這個抽檢率是非常非常的低然後呢我看你們上一次洪志勇委員開記者會的時候2019年你們當時的主密的回答是說因為你們人力啊各方面有限只能靠公司雇主自主管理\n\n11\n00:03:37,268 --> 00:04:02,265\n然後你們矚密當時在事發的記者會後宣稱會強化雇主自主管理請問你們做了什麼東西有沒有修任何的法律或者是相關的規定能夠強化全國超過上萬有類似的輻射劑量應該被監控管控的你們做了什麼能夠強化雇主自主管理因為你們認為只能靠雇主自主管理\n\n12\n00:04:06,081 --> 00:04:09,044\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會及所屬單位預算案二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案\n\n13\n00:04:27,481 --> 00:04:55,193\n因為這個法文上一次修是民國91年2002年欸剛才有報告說我們其實草案已經出來了然後我們所有該做的程序會商跟業者的討論我們也走完了然後送到行政院已經送到行政院他們也經過審視並沒有重大的修正意見但是現在因為遇到我們主改所以我們依照程序要在核安會的委員會做報告因為我們現在是委員制所以我們要在核安會然後我們現在希望是明年\n\n14\n00:04:56,113 --> 00:04:57,134\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會及所屬單位預算案\n\n15\n00:05:18,476 --> 00:05:20,780\n事故緊急應變基金附屬單位預事項目有關受處分負責人公司應被公告?\n\n16\n00:05:29,724 --> 00:05:57,327\n因為就是我看你們的網站喔當年你就算有裁罰他的員工也不會知道啊因為受處分人在你們這個這裡面是完全不公告是哪家公司欸那我們去問了你們你們給的理由是說依照行政法法第二條相關法律必須明文授權才能公佈然後又說服防法裡面已經訂有罰款等等意思就是不用再公告姓名單位了\n\n17\n00:05:58,367 --> 00:06:21,744\n請問你們修法有包含這個應該要公告這些違反游離輻射防護法讓他的員工暴露在這麼嚴重的健康風險20個員工4個人罹癌3個人死亡都是青壯年30、40歲請問你們的修法有包含這個嗎?報告委員我們的修法目前沒有包括公告這個姓名或名稱的部分有要公告?\n\n18\n00:06:22,924 --> 00:06:48,680\n為什麼不公告呢?這難道不是一個重要的公共利益?因為我們之前修法還是在修服防法的行政相關的這個管制的部分但是委員關切的這部分我們已經有請說我們服防組在要去研議就是說我們在後續是不是再怎麼請那我先請問你代理主委你也擔任過核安會那麼多重要的職位你個人認為是不是應該公告這種不良業主?\n\n19\n00:06:49,740 --> 00:07:12,231\n對所以我們現在開始我們會針對這一塊去做演繹怎麼樣去處理那你可不可以承諾我你們送來我們立法院的就是要公告這些違法的單位公司名稱不良業主這樣他的員工才能知道啊否則被你開罰你又說你們能量不夠就要他們自主管理連被開罰的這家公司2008年就被你們開罰結果2019年後來死了三個員工欸\n\n20\n00:07:16,601 --> 00:07:16,641\n委員報告\n\n21\n00:07:37,856 --> 00:08:02,082\n我是不知道這個2019年的事情現在2024年我們查這個事情的時候你們本辦跟你要一個說明你還告訴我一副就是這件事情就是就是不需要公開姓名單位所以我覺得你們對於就是這麼重要您剛講你們的工作不是只有廚藝工作嗎那輻射安全全民輻射安全就是你們的守備範圍不是嗎是\n\n22\n00:08:03,462 --> 00:08:20,719\n那如果你認為全國一萬多家你就檢查了九十幾家要叫大家自主防範自主防範不過都已經被開罰你還不公告你要叫員工如何自主防範我們每個人都是輻射專家嗎所以這部分我們後續會參考別的部會的相關的公告做法來研議後續\n\n23\n00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:46,147\n修法我想這麼重要的事情你跟行政院要求說你要改一部分他們應該會尊重你那不管你用什麼方式喔是不是給我辦公室一個書面報告你們如何盡速修訂游離輻射防護法或者是相關的規定好嗎只要是公告這種不良的業主就應該公告單位名稱跟業主的姓名才能夠維護他們的勞工的安全好嗎我後續補充報告給委員\n\n24\n00:08:51,008 --> 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--> 00:00.109\n衆議院委員\n\n00:11.621 --> 00:27.708\n稍微好代理主委您好今天其實主要是要跟您請教一個就是核安會的一個重要的業務就是關於所謂的民生輻射我想我這邊放的這個新聞今年暑假7月30號關於出事的紅林公司假照輻射相關的資訊然後原能會一直都沒有發現\n\n00:40.034 --> 00:42.975\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會主管核子事故緊急應變基金附屬單位預\n\n01:00.981 --> 01:02.181\n二、核能安全委員會主管核子事故緊急應變基金附屬單位預\n\n01:17.647 --> 01:33.874\n監督。那我想問的是因為我們去查了一下我想問代理主委我想這件事情非常的嚴重那今年暑假這個新聞為什麼會再次浮上就是後來死者的家屬跟洪志勇委員去跟高雄地檢署遞資料\n\n01:35.294 --> 01:50.371\n因此今年暑假被判過失致死罪我覺得比較遺憾的事情是最後還要家屬去告核安會的角色看起來好像並沒有發揮得很好在這個部分如果\n\n01:50.831 --> 02:07.109\n同樣一家公司再度發生狀況我想請問核安會如何告知大眾尤其是員工因為這是一個非常嚴重的職業安全輻射這個部分是非常的專業同樣的情況再發生的話核安會如何告訴大家呢?\n\n02:09.089 --> 02:35.240\n我想基本上我們也很不願意這樣子的事情發生所以如果同樣狀況再度發生的話最嚴重的話我們會讓他取消他的這個許可證照更嚴重的話可是他2008年當然不是這家我們講的是別家嘛那至於這個防範措施的部分那我們剛才有提到除了不預警的視察因為這個其實也有點這個\n\n02:38.438 --> 03:05.134\n結構體的問題就是檢驗師本身他沒有佩戴事實上我們去的時候以往我們並沒有收集到相關的訊息所以之後我覺得教育是需要提升的就是員工也要知道他的權益不是說業者另外的話我們在修法的時候請主委簡短回答我想請問你像這樣的公司在你們要監管中的全國有幾家\n\n03:07.165 --> 03:36.768\n一萬多家一萬多家我看你們這次給我們的資料你們好像只有九十幾家在你報告中有被你們去所謂的檢測嘛那所以你們這個抽檢率是非常非常的低然後呢我看你們上一次洪志勇委員開記者會的時候2019年你們當時的主密的回答是說因為你們人力啊各方面有限只能靠公司雇主自主管理\n\n03:37.268 --> 04:02.265\n然後你們矚密當時在事發的記者會後宣稱會強化雇主自主管理請問你們做了什麼東西有沒有修任何的法律或者是相關的規定能夠強化全國超過上萬有類似的輻射劑量應該被監控管控的你們做了什麼能夠強化雇主自主管理因為你們認為只能靠雇主自主管理\n\n04:06.081 --> 04:09.044\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會及所屬單位預算案二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案\n\n04:27.481 --> 04:55.193\n因為這個法文上一次修是民國91年2002年欸剛才有報告說我們其實草案已經出來了然後我們所有該做的程序會商跟業者的討論我們也走完了然後送到行政院已經送到行政院他們也經過審視並沒有重大的修正意見但是現在因為遇到我們主改所以我們依照程序要在核安會的委員會做報告因為我們現在是委員制所以我們要在核安會然後我們現在希望是明年\n\n04:56.113 --> 04:57.134\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會及所屬單位預算案\n\n05:18.476 --> 05:20.780\n事故緊急應變基金附屬單位預事項目有關受處分負責人公司應被公告?\n\n05:29.724 --> 05:57.327\n因為就是我看你們的網站喔當年你就算有裁罰他的員工也不會知道啊因為受處分人在你們這個這裡面是完全不公告是哪家公司欸那我們去問了你們你們給的理由是說依照行政法法第二條相關法律必須明文授權才能公佈然後又說服防法裡面已經訂有罰款等等意思就是不用再公告姓名單位了\n\n05:58.367 --> 06:21.744\n請問你們修法有包含這個應該要公告這些違反游離輻射防護法讓他的員工暴露在這麼嚴重的健康風險20個員工4個人罹癌3個人死亡都是青壯年30、40歲請問你們的修法有包含這個嗎?報告委員我們的修法目前沒有包括公告這個姓名或名稱的部分有要公告?\n\n06:22.924 --> 06:48.680\n為什麼不公告呢?這難道不是一個重要的公共利益?因為我們之前修法還是在修服防法的行政相關的這個管制的部分但是委員關切的這部分我們已經有請說我們服防組在要去研議就是說我們在後續是不是再怎麼請那我先請問你代理主委你也擔任過核安會那麼多重要的職位你個人認為是不是應該公告這種不良業主?\n\n06:49.740 --> 07:12.231\n對所以我們現在開始我們會針對這一塊去做演繹怎麼樣去處理那你可不可以承諾我你們送來我們立法院的就是要公告這些違法的單位公司名稱不良業主這樣他的員工才能知道啊否則被你開罰你又說你們能量不夠就要他們自主管理連被開罰的這家公司2008年就被你們開罰結果2019年後來死了三個員工欸\n\n07:16.601 --> 07:16.641\n委員報告\n\n07:37.856 --> 08:02.082\n我是不知道這個2019年的事情現在2024年我們查這個事情的時候你們本辦跟你要一個說明你還告訴我一副就是這件事情就是就是不需要公開姓名單位所以我覺得你們對於就是這麼重要您剛講你們的工作不是只有廚藝工作嗎那輻射安全全民輻射安全就是你們的守備範圍不是嗎是\n\n08:03.462 --> 08:20.719\n那如果你認為全國一萬多家你就檢查了九十幾家要叫大家自主防範自主防範不過都已經被開罰你還不公告你要叫員工如何自主防範我們每個人都是輻射專家嗎所以這部分我們後續會參考別的部會的相關的公告做法來研議後續\n\n08:22.120 --> 08:46.147\n修法我想這麼重要的事情你跟行政院要求說你要改一部分他們應該會尊重你那不管你用什麼方式喔是不是給我辦公室一個書面報告你們如何盡速修訂游離輻射防護法或者是相關的規定好嗎只要是公告這種不良的業主就應該公告單位名稱跟業主的姓名才能夠維護他們的勞工的安全好嗎我後續補充報告給委員\n\n08:51.008 --> 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