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00:02:18,375\n因為既然有人還可以去隱秘不去防備甚至是讓工作人員第一線去接觸所以我覺得他比輻射更可怕那我們就需要有方法去修改的能夠更加防範於未然我們都相信人性本善但是我們還是應該加以法治化來去做防範所以這部分我也必須一起來聲援也希望代理主委您應該要重視去處理這個案件真的已經很久了當然\n\n7\n00:02:19,355 --> 00:02:34,627\n您之前不在任但是我們希望您能夠大刀闊斧做出一些態度做出一些事情出來好嗎是好主委那今年7月份本席有發文向常常會所知110年到111年點化甲的藥劑財務採購案\n\n8\n00:02:37,529 --> 00:02:51,174\n今天本席將採購案的內容來做一個詢問請問國內目前具有點片製造的許可藥商目前有一家國內哪一家做不出那一家做不出來嗎為什麼這個採購案要採國際標因為當初在採購的時候聲音可以大聲一點嗎因為我們有參考國外的相關的資訊國際相關的資訊我們希望這樣子的儲備是有一個比較長期的儲備的量能\n\n9\n00:03:05,307 --> 00:03:16,400\n所以你認為國內這個不行?我們並沒有排除如果國內可以供應的話他也可以來供應那有適用政府採購法呢?\n\n10\n00:03:17,716 --> 00:03:40,743\n這個部分在這個我們是依照政府採購法公開招標的公開招標你是依據該法的第105條第一項第二款的機關辦理人民之生命身體健康安全之財產遭遇緊急危難採購的事項得不適用於本法招標呢是用這個辦理招標嗎我們是用一般的招高規範那若不是是依據哪一條\n\n11\n00:03:43,502 --> 00:03:46,725\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會主管核子事故緊急應變基金附屬單位預\n\n12\n00:03:58,244 --> 00:04:20,484\n報告委員我們這個採購案的部分是依照政府採購法我們用我們的公開招標的程序來做那委員剛剛提到105條的部分他是適用緊急狀態的時候來做的那我們這個案子並不是適用這個部分那我們當時在起案的過程當中廠商其實針對這個部分有提出他們的異議\n\n13\n00:04:21,585 --> 00:04:25,987\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會及所屬單位預算案二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會及所屬單位預\n\n14\n00:04:40,266 --> 00:05:07,061\n讓我們能夠了解一下沒關係你如果有這樣子的定案以後就以這樣子的模本我們都可以來做一個參考但是我要確定未來在這樣子的相關的國際標採購案能夠有一個SOP可循包括採購的流程是怎麼進行還有相關的法源依據這個部分你都要去依這個我所說的採購案的一個完整的SOP副表列給我們可以嗎在三個月之內補這個報告給委員三個月內剛才委員說三個月內啊\n\n15\n00:05:10,083 --> 00:05:10,483\n三日內。\n\n16\n00:05:18,302 --> 00:05:20,402\n主委9月25日衛福部宣布輔導核實全面解禁請問有沒有問過你的意見\n\n17\n00:05:46,365 --> 00:06:03,897\n基本上我們是協助輻射偵測所以我們所有相關輻射偵測的結果都是作為這個衛福部他們參考的資訊對不起你的聲音真的很小聲基本上我們是在協助輻射相關偵測所以我們所有檢測的結果都有提供給衛福部做相關的參考所以他有問過你意見嗎\n\n18\n00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:06,020\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會主管單位預\n\n19\n00:06:27,555 --> 00:06:39,792\n大陸也朝解禁的方向進行,是在日本同意擴大國際原子能總屬對海水魚類的監測,包含中國在內的第三國都能參加監測體制,請問台灣可以比照辦理嗎?\n\n20\n00:06:41,743 --> 00:06:53,921\n因為我們不是IEA的會員國所以這部分的話我們沒有辦法依照因為他是在依照IEA會員國的體制底下去執行的所以我們是另外跟日方做合作的一個\n\n21\n00:06:55,083 --> 00:07:23,349\n日方合作那國際原子能總署10月9號在福島第一核戰場近海採集了魚類樣品將調查放射性的物質濃度大陸南韓及瑞士連瑞士都有派員參加那你剛剛說跟日本同步我們有沒有機會派員跟日本同步監測這部分的話因為還是剛才的說明因為那是屬於IAEA的會員國的所有的這個組織架構之下執行的\n\n22\n00:07:24,864 --> 00:07:47,739\n所以我們就沒辦法對我們不是IEA的會員好那沒關係今天我有稍微聽到因為這個呃代理主委你有說到你有去做相關的檢測檢測完是沒有超標我們是做我們的海域漁獲期取樣這些的食品進口的這些的所有的檢測的結果我們事實上都有公佈做我們的海域所以不包含日本的海域嗎\n\n23\n00:07:51,509 --> 00:08:12,209\n檢測的魚類是我國的海產對但是進口的這個水產品那食藥署他會他們會這個去一樣去抽樣我們會協助做這個輻射檢測所以進口的日本日本的水都有對這相關的檢測報告可以給我們一份嗎\n\n24\n00:08:16,162 --> 00:08:44,144\n在衛福部有公告這部分我們也可以提供好再麻煩你也給我們一份那我想近期我們對於不管是福島的核食以及我們一直在關注的有關於這個近海流域不斷的在日本有排放所謂核廢水那相關的輻射值會不會一直在隨著海流來到台灣這部分的監測我們都持續在關注也希望這個代理主委能夠協助這方面的資料讓我們本席能夠知道我想我們都很重視這一類議題好嗎是\n\n25\n00:08:45,945 --> 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--> 00:27.761\n質詢好謝謝召委有請代理主委有請代理主委好主委好主委輻射可不可怕輻射要做適當的防護那輻射你認為它可不可怕那要看你怎麼應用\n\n00:29.389 --> 00:44.150\n應用,將不當的這些輻射外洩的一些潛在因素,藉由這樣的狀況去忽略了,沒有去做防範,讓我們的所謂的工作同仁去接觸到輻射,那您看起來這樣的個案可不可怕?\n\n00:45.200 --> 01:12.259\n這樣是不應該存在的那我想輻射很可怕但更可怕的是既然有人去隱秘或者甚至是不去加以防備讓工作人員去接觸到其實這一類的案件我們服務處也有接到相關的一些通報我們也都很關心我想剛剛昭偉有在關心這個案件我想作為不同政黨我們也都一起聲援我們希望公眾環境能夠更加的安全之外\n\n01:12.859 --> 01:30.400\n我們希望政府能夠來幫忙協助而不是要求自治如果能夠自治的話大家都自己來自治那我們也不需要什麼酒駕大家自治就好不會有酒駕所以我希望剛剛你說的各個部會裡面有相關的公佈\n\n01:31.101 --> 01:49.178\n規定的方法之一能不能來做一個參考這部分你可以去參考一下不管是我們在兒少的部分不管是酒駕的部分也都有公佈的一些相關的法令可以做一個參考本席也是希望這件事情要重視因為我覺得更可怕的是人心\n\n01:50.319 --> 02:18.375\n因為既然有人還可以去隱秘不去防備甚至是讓工作人員第一線去接觸所以我覺得他比輻射更可怕那我們就需要有方法去修改的能夠更加防範於未然我們都相信人性本善但是我們還是應該加以法治化來去做防範所以這部分我也必須一起來聲援也希望代理主委您應該要重視去處理這個案件真的已經很久了當然\n\n02:19.355 --> 02:34.627\n您之前不在任但是我們希望您能夠大刀闊斧做出一些態度做出一些事情出來好嗎是好主委那今年7月份本席有發文向常常會所知110年到111年點化甲的藥劑財務採購案\n\n02:37.529 --> 02:51.174\n今天本席將採購案的內容來做一個詢問請問國內目前具有點片製造的許可藥商目前有一家國內哪一家做不出那一家做不出來嗎為什麼這個採購案要採國際標因為當初在採購的時候聲音可以大聲一點嗎因為我們有參考國外的相關的資訊國際相關的資訊我們希望這樣子的儲備是有一個比較長期的儲備的量能\n\n03:05.307 --> 03:16.400\n所以你認為國內這個不行?我們並沒有排除如果國內可以供應的話他也可以來供應那有適用政府採購法呢?\n\n03:17.716 --> 03:40.743\n這個部分在這個我們是依照政府採購法公開招標的公開招標你是依據該法的第105條第一項第二款的機關辦理人民之生命身體健康安全之財產遭遇緊急危難採購的事項得不適用於本法招標呢是用這個辦理招標嗎我們是用一般的招高規範那若不是是依據哪一條\n\n03:43.502 --> 03:46.725\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會主管核子事故緊急應變基金附屬單位預\n\n03:58.244 --> 04:20.484\n報告委員我們這個採購案的部分是依照政府採購法我們用我們的公開招標的程序來做那委員剛剛提到105條的部分他是適用緊急狀態的時候來做的那我們這個案子並不是適用這個部分那我們當時在起案的過程當中廠商其實針對這個部分有提出他們的異議\n\n04:21.585 --> 04:25.987\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會及所屬單位預算案二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會及所屬單位預\n\n04:40.266 --> 05:07.061\n讓我們能夠了解一下沒關係你如果有這樣子的定案以後就以這樣子的模本我們都可以來做一個參考但是我要確定未來在這樣子的相關的國際標採購案能夠有一個SOP可循包括採購的流程是怎麼進行還有相關的法源依據這個部分你都要去依這個我所說的採購案的一個完整的SOP副表列給我們可以嗎在三個月之內補這個報告給委員三個月內剛才委員說三個月內啊\n\n05:10.083 --> 05:10.483\n三日內。\n\n05:18.302 --> 05:20.402\n主委9月25日衛福部宣布輔導核實全面解禁請問有沒有問過你的意見\n\n05:46.365 --> 06:03.897\n基本上我們是協助輻射偵測所以我們所有相關輻射偵測的結果都是作為這個衛福部他們參考的資訊對不起你的聲音真的很小聲基本上我們是在協助輻射相關偵測所以我們所有檢測的結果都有提供給衛福部做相關的參考所以他有問過你意見嗎\n\n06:05.279 --> 06:06.020\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會主管單位預\n\n06:27.555 --> 06:39.792\n大陸也朝解禁的方向進行,是在日本同意擴大國際原子能總屬對海水魚類的監測,包含中國在內的第三國都能參加監測體制,請問台灣可以比照辦理嗎?\n\n06:41.743 --> 06:53.921\n因為我們不是IEA的會員國所以這部分的話我們沒有辦法依照因為他是在依照IEA會員國的體制底下去執行的所以我們是另外跟日方做合作的一個\n\n06:55.083 --> 07:23.349\n日方合作那國際原子能總署10月9號在福島第一核戰場近海採集了魚類樣品將調查放射性的物質濃度大陸南韓及瑞士連瑞士都有派員參加那你剛剛說跟日本同步我們有沒有機會派員跟日本同步監測這部分的話因為還是剛才的說明因為那是屬於IAEA的會員國的所有的這個組織架構之下執行的\n\n07:24.864 --> 07:47.739\n所以我們就沒辦法對我們不是IEA的會員好那沒關係今天我有稍微聽到因為這個呃代理主委你有說到你有去做相關的檢測檢測完是沒有超標我們是做我們的海域漁獲期取樣這些的食品進口的這些的所有的檢測的結果我們事實上都有公佈做我們的海域所以不包含日本的海域嗎\n\n07:51.509 --> 08:12.209\n檢測的魚類是我國的海產對但是進口的這個水產品那食藥署他會他們會這個去一樣去抽樣我們會協助做這個輻射檢測所以進口的日本日本的水都有對這相關的檢測報告可以給我們一份嗎\n\n08:16.162 --> 08:44.144\n在衛福部有公告這部分我們也可以提供好再麻煩你也給我們一份那我想近期我們對於不管是福島的核食以及我們一直在關注的有關於這個近海流域不斷的在日本有排放所謂核廢水那相關的輻射值會不會一直在隨著海流來到台灣這部分的監測我們都持續在關注也希望這個代理主委能夠協助這方面的資料讓我們本席能夠知道我想我們都很重視這一類議題好嗎是\n\n08:45.945 --> 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以嗎？"],["張代理主任委員欣：好，我們在3個月之內補這個報告給委員。"],["羅委員廷瑋：3個月內？"],["張代理主任委員欣：剛才委員說3個月內，我聽錯了嗎？"],["羅委員廷瑋：沒有啊！我沒有說3個月。"],["張代理主任委員欣：那我聽錯了。"],["羅委員廷瑋：我說3日內。"],["張代理主任委員欣：3日……"],["羅委員廷瑋：你已經採購完了，不是嗎？"],["張代理主任委員欣：那我們一個星期好不好？給我一點作業的時間。"],["羅委員廷瑋：好，這個3個月，不太好，3日內……"],["張代理主任委員欣：抱歉，我剛才把3聽成3個月。"],["羅委員廷瑋：對吧？我應該沒有說到3個月對不對？3日內……"],["張代理主任委員欣：對，我們修正，一個星期之內。"],["羅委員廷瑋：好。"],["張代理主任委員欣：好，謝謝委員。"],["羅委員廷瑋：這個應該不會很難達到，好不好？"],["張代理主任委員欣：我們就把它寫出來。"],["羅委員廷瑋：好。主委9月25日衛福部宣布福島核食全面解禁，請問有沒有問過你的意見？"],["張代理主任委員欣：基本上我們是協助輻射偵測，所以我們所有相關輻射偵測的結果，都是作為衛福部參考的資訊。"],["羅委員廷瑋：對不起，你的聲音真的很小聲。"],["張代理主任委員欣：基本上我們是在協助輻射相關偵測，所以我們所有檢測的結果，都有提供給衛福部做相關的參考。"],["羅委員廷瑋：對，所以他有問過你的意見嗎？"],["張代理主任委員欣：我相信我們的資訊都給他了。"],["羅委員廷瑋：你的資訊是朝向哪一個部分？解禁，OK？"],["張代理主任委員欣：沒有，我們就是針對檢測的結果。"],["羅委員廷瑋：檢測的結果，您覺得在你的專業認為是可以解禁的，還是不可以？"],["張代理主任委員欣：我只能就檢測結果來說，我們沒有看到……"],["羅委員廷瑋：檢測結果有沒有超標？"],["張代理主任委員欣：沒有超標的這個……"],["羅委員廷瑋：沒有超標，好。那大陸也朝解禁的方向來進行，是在日本同意擴大國際原子能總署對海水魚類的監測，包含中國在內的第三國都能參加監測體制，請問臺灣可以比照辦理嗎？"],["張代理主任委員欣：我們不是IAEA的會員國，所以這部分我們沒有辦法依照，因為他是依照IAEA會員國的體制底下去執行的，所以我們是另外跟日方做合作的一個……"],["羅委員廷瑋：與日方合作。"],["張代理主任委員欣：對。"],["羅委員廷瑋：國際原子能總署10月9號在福島第一核電廠近海採集了魚類樣品，將調查放射性的物質濃度，大陸、南韓及瑞士，連瑞士都有派員參加。你剛剛說跟日本同步，我們有沒有機會派員跟日本同步監測？"],["張代理主任委員欣：這部分的話，還是剛才的說明，因為那是屬於IAEA的會員國所有的組織架構之下執行的……"],["羅委員廷瑋：所以我們就沒辦法？"],["張代理主任委員欣：對，我們不是IAEA的會員。"],["羅委員廷瑋：好，那沒關係。今天我有稍微聽到，因為代理主委你有說到，你有去做相關的檢測，檢測完是沒有超標。"],["張代理主任委員欣：我們是做我們的海域、漁獲取樣，還有食品進口的所有檢測結果，我們事實上都有公布。"],["羅委員廷瑋：做我們的海域，所以不包含日本的海域嗎？你檢測的魚類是我國的海產。"],["張代理主任委員欣：對，但是進口的水產品，食藥署他們會抽樣，我們會協助做輻射檢測。"],["羅委員廷瑋：所以進口的日本……"],["張代理主任委員欣：日本的水產品……"],["羅委員廷瑋：也都有？"],["張代理主任委員欣：對。"],["羅委員廷瑋：相關的檢測報告可以給我們一份嗎？"],["張代理主任委員欣：在衛福部有公告，這部分我們也可以提供。"],["羅委員廷瑋：好，再麻煩你也給我們一份。"],["張代理主任委員欣：好。"],["羅委員廷瑋：我想近期我們對於不管是福島的核食，以及我們一直在關注的，有關於近海流域，不斷的在日本有排放所謂核廢水，那相關的輻射值會不會一直隨著海流來到臺灣？這部分的監測我們都持續在關注，也希望代理主委能夠協助這方面的資料讓本席能夠知道，我想我們都很重視這一類議題，好嗎？"],["張代理主任委員欣：是。"],["羅委員廷瑋：好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝羅廷瑋委員的質詢，張代主委請回。","我們請吳春城、吳春城、吳春城委員不在場。","張嘉郡、張嘉郡、張嘉郡委員不在場。","楊瓊瓔、楊瓊瓔、楊瓊瓔委員不在場。","高金素梅、高金素梅、高金素梅委員不在場。","李彥秀、李彥秀、李彥秀委員不在場。","鄭正鈐、鄭正鈐、鄭正鈐委員不在場。","黃健豪、黃健豪、黃健豪委員不在場。","邱志偉、邱志偉、邱志偉委員不在場。","蘇清泉、蘇清泉、蘇清泉委員不在場。","何欣純、何欣純、何欣純委員不在場。","鍾佳濱、鍾佳濱、鍾佳濱委員不在場。","翁曉玲、翁曉玲、翁曉玲委員不在場。","羅明才、羅明才、羅明才委員不在場。","徐欣瑩、徐欣瑩、徐欣瑩委員不在場。","葉元之委員請質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":358,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-22-9","speakers":["范雲","洪孟楷","萬美玲","林宜瑾","林倩綺","張雅琳","柯志恩","葛如鈞","陳秀寳","郭昱晴","吳沛憶","陳培瑜","羅廷瑋","葉元之","吳春城"],"page_start":313,"meetingDate":["2024-11-20"],"gazette_id":"11310401","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11310401_00006"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第9次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請核能安全委員會代理主任委員張欣列席報告業務概況，並備質詢；二、審查114年度中\n央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會及所屬單位預算案；三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有\n關核能安全委員會主管核子事故緊急應變基金附屬單位預算案；四、審查114年度行政法人國家\n原子能科技研究院預算案（第二案至第四案僅進行詢答）","agenda_id":"11310401_00005"}}}