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00:01:39,495\n市長你拼命點頭,也講到精髓,也就是說川普這一次的選舉針對於台灣,經濟部在這邊,台灣我們這個很重要的半導體產業跟我們的防務議題的發言,讓很多的台灣人感到不可預測的一個特質感跟擔憂\n\n6\n00:01:55,650 --> 00:02:01,755\n所以在這樣的情況之下我首先要請教兩位面對國內民眾的憂心我們要如何的來加強台美關係的發展尤其他在選舉的這個期間他特別提到臺灣應該要交保護會\n\n7\n00:02:13,124 --> 00:02:27,045\n這樣子的言論,那我們政府要怎麼去因應呢?如果說我們只花大錢來買軍購,那就可以換來很穩定的這個台美關係嗎?田少偉敬佩你,你馬上給我搖頭,請做回答。\n\n8\n00:02:30,583 --> 00:02:47,936\n委員你可能會錯我的意了不過我必須說這些民眾的你不是搖頭還是你贊同你會錯意是什麼意思這是民調本席所說民調的背景給你你搖搖頭我以為你對不對我的一個習慣會頭受不了控制你說什麼\n\n9\n00:02:54,451 --> 00:03:16,776\n我說我的頭受不了我的控制,有的時候會動一下,這點請您見諒。你把你的引內告訴給世界大...請說明,針對議題。我們必須尊重、要了解我們民眾對於川普上來台美的關係,怎麼樣去發展。\n\n10\n00:03:17,236 --> 00:03:44,111\n所以本期告訴你基金會所公布的最新民調我們會去審慎的去了解民眾他們想的是什麼但是呢從另外一個角度來看我們也必須告訴民眾台美的關係立這麼多年以來雙邊的關係是相當相當的穩固我們不會因為總統的變的話發生巨大的變化\n\n11\n00:03:45,792 --> 00:04:03,366\n兩黨跟我們的關係都非常好臺美關係剛剛也說了一個民調出來並不擔心65.3那表示跟你的論點是一樣但是我沒有看到這些言論這些言論成為保護會的那你的因應呢\n\n12\n00:04:04,845 --> 00:04:29,091\n台灣的價值對美國價值美國要再次偉大其實他需要很多盟邦一起來做這個事情那台灣的價值呢在我們在太平洋這一塊維護了民主人權也是美國所要求的普世價值這一方面我們是有貢獻的所以不能專門說要保護費這個詞我覺得\n\n13\n00:04:32,912 --> 00:04:58,879\n我非常贊同你所說的也就是川普在競爭在競選的時候他提到台灣應該要交保護會這一類的這一類的言論那請教田次你認為這個言論是不對的是不認同的是不可能的還是怎麼樣呢這個是他競選上面講的語言大家能夠聽得懂大家能夠聽得懂未來在明年1月份他上任會不會如此作為\n\n14\n00:05:00,049 --> 00:05:21,385\n但是我們也要跟美國參眾兩院也好美國的民眾也好說台灣在這裡所扮演的價值我方當然要講我方的立場我們的價值全世界要再次偉大沒有台灣是不行的我要這麼說確實但是我們只有講我們自己好別人怎麼做他已經言論出來我們有沒有應對\n\n15\n00:05:22,622 --> 00:05:50,355\n我們會謹慎的去了解他將來怎麼做如果在1月份之後他上任他仍舊要台灣交保護費你會認同嗎?你會交嗎?那看看他保護費的額度是多少哇你講真心話了因為在我們的預算書裡頭我有看到內容等到我們在預算的時候再來做討論我希望審慎之以台灣人民安全最重要的為最高原則\n\n16\n00:05:52,687 --> 00:06:08,884\n請教市長我剛才特別說了在我們整個半導體方面以及防護的這個議題方面那他也在選舉的時候也提出那你認為你認為在他上任之後民眾有所憂心那你認為在他上任之後我方怎麼應對\n\n17\n00:06:10,663 --> 00:06:31,012\n報委員,如果單純針對半導體,我們先講事實,事實就是台灣的半導體是它的70%的客戶是美系客戶,而且呢,我們跟美國的不管是設備製造商,或者IC的設計商,還有它的這個應用部分呢,我們是緊密結合在合作,這是個現實。\n\n18\n00:06:31,932 --> 00:06:58,551\n是一個事實不是現實在這個事實的前提下川普總統的政見要落實下來的話一定要跟台灣合作所以在經濟部立場我們是會支持我們的半導體產業跟美國的進一步緊密合作而且這個事實對台美當方都有利這個合作是大家目前已經在IMT進行是當初但是這個不可預測就承諾川普重返這個白宮很多人說\n\n19\n00:06:59,352 --> 00:07:26,737\n他曾經自己說他的字典裡頭最美的詞就是關稅這個關稅對於我們對於我們來講我們是一個出口導向的國家在這樣的情況之下我們的衝擊會怎麼樣他主張全面性的保護主義壁壘那對所有的進口呢亞太地區呢他準備10到20%這是他之前的言論當然在他上任之後他會不會這麼做本席認為\n\n20\n00:07:27,617 --> 00:07:48,113\n我們政府應該聽到這樣子的言論,我們應該有因應的方向。是,鮑威爾,我們做最壞的打算,最嚴謹的準備,如果它對全世界都科百分之十到二十的話,不同的產業,不同的公司會有不同的衝擊,或有的時候是機會跟利益,例如轉單效益,也有可能是衝擊。\n\n21\n00:07:49,254 --> 00:08:08,431\n這個部分必須各個公司不同但是就經濟部的立場來講的話我們的準備因應方向就是我們會協助我們的台商在海外的佈局在生產基地方面能夠避險尤其在中國大陸的投資怎麼樣把它引導出來到新南向國家這也是一個避險的做法\n\n22\n00:08:09,410 --> 00:08:35,956\n這個似乎是所有的廠商大家都已經超前在部署但是我仍舊希望聽到我們的政府你有所作為你現在目前所說的都是輕鬆自己趕快去努力的一個方向所以我告訴你現在台美的經貿合作那大家都是非常的緊密在合作尤其我們上代協商現在還在進行協商的也就是台美貿易倡議的第二階段\n\n23\n00:08:36,636 --> 00:08:57,185\n本席認為想請教我們的政府目前正在談判協商會不會有所變化會不會有所依照你們目前所掌控的這個資料會不會請知會不會在我們的臺美貿易倡議的第二階段是不是會面臨更多的變數請教\n\n24\n00:09:01,677 --> 00:09:29,055\n這個跟委員報告第一個我這邊沒有完整的訊息因為主政單位是行政院經貿主辦辦公室第二個站在經濟部的立場經貿主辦辦公室你經濟部也是其中一個啊是是是對不對怎麼可以如此推本期最不希望聽到我們的行政部門你今天代表到立法院來就是你的課題啊怎麼會說這是誰的呢政府是一致的你也是經貿辦公室當中經濟部絕對是站非常重要的一個角色啊怎麼可以如此的推呢\n\n25\n00:09:30,336 --> 00:09:50,166\n所以這個是你們每天在做的啊?是,沒有完整的訊息,但是我要下面接著要講經濟部的立場,我們是希望能夠繼續進行,我們也跟美方透過各個管道我們希望要繼續進行,這也是我們希望嘛,那所以本席針對本席的提問,也就是說目前正在談判正在協商,這個就是機會,跟剛剛您說的,這個就是機會\n\n26\n00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:29,912\n這個基礎就是我們的機會而且現在正在創意正在協商所以在這樣的情況之下本席是希望我本席非常希望我們台灣是這麼好的國家而且每一個人民這麼努力尤其我們的廠商是這麼努力如果說\n\n27\n00:10:31,373 --> 00:10:31,553\n委員的問題是說﹖\n\n28\n00:10:53,510 --> 00:10:56,132\n在我們的詮釋裡面所謂保護費就是加強合作啦雙方來加強合作啦那麼要讓利的話要看美方提的條件是什麼目前情況不明但是我們就是先降低風險\n\n29\n00:11:22,994 --> 00:11:40,870\n還有強化連結,包括對美國、對歐洲、對新南向國家...市長,你這樣講就對了啦。你們不用怕回答,因為這個階段是大家共同在討論。你應該是...其實我相信你最後的回答,也就是你心裡的話,其實大家都緊張。\n\n30\n00:11:42,131 --> 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你講真心話了因為在我們的預算書裡頭我有看到內容等到我們在預算的時候再來做討論我希望審慎之以台灣人民安全最重要的為最高原則\n352687\t368884\t請教市長我剛才特別說了在我們整個半導體方面以及防護的這個議題方面那他也在選舉的時候也提出那你認為你認為在他上任之後民眾有所憂心那你認為在他上任之後我方怎麼應對\n370663\t391012\t報委員,如果單純針對半導體,我們先講事實,事實就是台灣的半導體是它的70%的客戶是美系客戶,而且呢,我們跟美國的不管是設備製造商,或者IC的設計商,還有它的這個應用部分呢,我們是緊密結合在合作,這是個現實。\n391932\t418551\t是一個事實不是現實在這個事實的前提下川普總統的政見要落實下來的話一定要跟台灣合作所以在經濟部立場我們是會支持我們的半導體產業跟美國的進一步緊密合作而且這個事實對台美當方都有利這個合作是大家目前已經在IMT進行是當初但是這個不可預測就承諾川普重返這個白宮很多人說\n419352\t446737\t他曾經自己說他的字典裡頭最美的詞就是關稅這個關稅對於我們對於我們來講我們是一個出口導向的國家在這樣的情況之下我們的衝擊會怎麼樣他主張全面性的保護主義壁壘那對所有的進口呢亞太地區呢他準備10到20%這是他之前的言論當然在他上任之後他會不會這麼做本席認為\n447617\t468113\t我們政府應該聽到這樣子的言論,我們應該有因應的方向。是,鮑威爾,我們做最壞的打算,最嚴謹的準備,如果它對全世界都科百分之十到二十的話,不同的產業,不同的公司會有不同的衝擊,或有的時候是機會跟利益,例如轉單效益,也有可能是衝擊。\n469254\t488431\t這個部分必須各個公司不同但是就經濟部的立場來講的話我們的準備因應方向就是我們會協助我們的台商在海外的佈局在生產基地方面能夠避險尤其在中國大陸的投資怎麼樣把它引導出來到新南向國家這也是一個避險的做法\n489410\t515956\t這個似乎是所有的廠商大家都已經超前在部署但是我仍舊希望聽到我們的政府你有所作為你現在目前所說的都是輕鬆自己趕快去努力的一個方向所以我告訴你現在台美的經貿合作那大家都是非常的緊密在合作尤其我們上代協商現在還在進行協商的也就是台美貿易倡議的第二階段\n516636\t537185\t本席認為想請教我們的政府目前正在談判協商會不會有所變化會不會有所依照你們目前所掌控的這個資料會不會請知會不會在我們的臺美貿易倡議的第二階段是不是會面臨更多的變數請教\n541677\t569055\t這個跟委員報告第一個我這邊沒有完整的訊息因為主政單位是行政院經貿主辦辦公室第二個站在經濟部的立場經貿主辦辦公室你經濟部也是其中一個啊是是是對不對怎麼可以如此推本期最不希望聽到我們的行政部門你今天代表到立法院來就是你的課題啊怎麼會說這是誰的呢政府是一致的你也是經貿辦公室當中經濟部絕對是站非常重要的一個角色啊怎麼可以如此的推呢\n570336\t590166\t所以這個是你們每天在做的啊?是,沒有完整的訊息,但是我要下面接著要講經濟部的立場,我們是希望能夠繼續進行,我們也跟美方透過各個管道我們希望要繼續進行,這也是我們希望嘛,那所以本席針對本席的提問,也就是說目前正在談判正在協商,這個就是機會,跟剛剛您說的,這個就是機會\n592807\t610299\t楊瓊瓔\n611880\t629912\t這個基礎就是我們的機會而且現在正在創意正在協商所以在這樣的情況之下本席是希望我本席非常希望我們台灣是這麼好的國家而且每一個人民這麼努力尤其我們的廠商是這麼努力如果說\n631373\t631553\t委員的問題是說﹖\n653510\t656132\t在我們的詮釋裡面所謂保護費就是加強合作啦雙方來加強合作啦那麼要讓利的話要看美方提的條件是什麼目前情況不明但是我們就是先降低風險\n682994\t700870\t還有強化連結,包括對美國、對歐洲、對新南向國家...市長,你這樣講就對了啦。你們不用怕回答,因為這個階段是大家共同在討論。你應該是...其實我相信你最後的回答,也就是你心裡的話,其實大家都緊張。\n702131\t719732\t但是這個緊張就是我們的機會所以我勉勵我們行政部門你必須好好地去看每一天的訊息萬變我政府到底要怎麼去應對來協助我的國人這才是我們要請問的答案嘛好不好趕快努力好不好謝謝\n","txt":"臺灣民意基金會在昨天公布了最新的全國性民調,它探討出民眾對於美國\n新當選的總統川普先生的態度跟當選後臺美關係的看法我想這是全國以及全世界大家都非常關注以及美軍協防臺灣的信心就針對這樣子來做調查的結果顯示65.3%\n臺灣民眾並不擔心川普當選後的臺美關係但是也有57.2的民眾他是不相信川普政府會在中國侵台的時候他會派兵協防臺灣\n也有另外44.2的民眾不樂見川普來當選47.6的民眾不欣賞川普台灣人對於川普總統曾經有很好感但是也因為近期他給世界有一個不可預測的感覺讓不少人都不敢有過度的期待\n市長你拼命點頭,也講到精髓,也就是說川普這一次的選舉針對於台灣,經濟部在這邊,台灣我們這個很重要的半導體產業跟我們的防務議題的發言,讓很多的台灣人感到不可預測的一個特質感跟擔憂\n所以在這樣的情況之下我首先要請教兩位面對國內民眾的憂心我們要如何的來加強台美關係的發展尤其他在選舉的這個期間他特別提到臺灣應該要交保護會\n這樣子的言論,那我們政府要怎麼去因應呢?如果說我們只花大錢來買軍購,那就可以換來很穩定的這個台美關係嗎?田少偉敬佩你,你馬上給我搖頭,請做回答。\n委員你可能會錯我的意了不過我必須說這些民眾的你不是搖頭還是你贊同你會錯意是什麼意思這是民調本席所說民調的背景給你你搖搖頭我以為你 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你講真心話了因為在我們的預算書裡頭我有看到內容等到我們在預算的時候再來做討論我希望審慎之以台灣人民安全最重要的為最高原則\n請教市長我剛才特別說了在我們整個半導體方面以及防護的這個議題方面那他也在選舉的時候也提出那你認為你認為在他上任之後民眾有所憂心那你認為在他上任之後我方怎麼應對\n報委員,如果單純針對半導體,我們先講事實,事實就是台灣的半導體是它的70%的客戶是美系客戶,而且呢,我們跟美國的不管是設備製造商,或者IC的設計商,還有它的這個應用部分呢,我們是緊密結合在合作,這是個現實。\n是一個事實不是現實在這個事實的前提下川普總統的政見要落實下來的話一定要跟台灣合作所以在經濟部立場我們是會支持我們的半導體產業跟美國的進一步緊密合作而且這個事實對台美當方都有利這個合作是大家目前已經在IMT進行是當初但是這個不可預測就承諾川普重返這個白宮很多人說\n他曾經自己說他的字典裡頭最美的詞就是關稅這個關稅對於我們對於我們來講我們是一個出口導向的國家在這樣的情況之下我們的衝擊會怎麼樣他主張全面性的保護主義壁壘那對所有的進口呢亞太地區呢他準備10到20%這是他之前的言論當然在他上任之後他會不會這麼做本席認為\n我們政府應該聽到這樣子的言論,我們應該有因應的方向。是,鮑威爾,我們做最壞的打算,最嚴謹的準備,如果它對全世界都科百分之十到二十的話,不同的產業,不同的公司會有不同的衝擊,或有的時候是機會跟利益,例如轉單效益,也有可能是衝擊。\n這個部分必須各個公司不同但是就經濟部的立場來講的話我們的準備因應方向就是我們會協助我們的台商在海外的佈局在生產基地方面能夠避險尤其在中國大陸的投資怎麼樣把它引導出來到新南向國家這也是一個避險的做法\n這個似乎是所有的廠商大家都已經超前在部署但是我仍舊希望聽到我們的政府你有所作為你現在目前所說的都是輕鬆自己趕快去努力的一個方向所以我告訴你現在台美的經貿合作那大家都是非常的緊密在合作尤其我們上代協商現在還在進行協商的也就是台美貿易倡議的第二階段\n本席認為想請教我們的政府目前正在談判協商會不會有所變化會不會有所依照你們目前所掌控的這個資料會不會請知會不會在我們的臺美貿易倡議的第二階段是不是會面臨更多的變數請教\n這個跟委員報告第一個我這邊沒有完整的訊息因為主政單位是行政院經貿主辦辦公室第二個站在經濟部的立場經貿主辦辦公室你經濟部也是其中一個啊是是是對不對怎麼可以如此推本期最不希望聽到我們的行政部門你今天代表到立法院來就是你的課題啊怎麼會說這是誰的呢政府是一致的你也是經貿辦公室當中經濟部絕對是站非常重要的一個角色啊怎麼可以如此的推呢\n所以這個是你們每天在做的啊?是,沒有完整的訊息,但是我要下面接著要講經濟部的立場,我們是希望能夠繼續進行,我們也跟美方透過各個管道我們希望要繼續進行,這也是我們希望嘛,那所以本席針對本席的提問,也就是說目前正在談判正在協商,這個就是機會,跟剛剛您說的,這個就是機會\n楊瓊瓔\n這個基礎就是我們的機會而且現在正在創意正在協商所以在這樣的情況之下本席是希望我本席非常希望我們台灣是這麼好的國家而且每一個人民這麼努力尤其我們的廠商是這麼努力如果說\n委員的問題是說﹖\n在我們的詮釋裡面所謂保護費就是加強合作啦雙方來加強合作啦那麼要讓利的話要看美方提的條件是什麼目前情況不明但是我們就是先降低風險\n還有強化連結,包括對美國、對歐洲、對新南向國家...市長,你這樣講就對了啦。你們不用怕回答,因為這個階段是大家共同在討論。你應該是...其實我相信你最後的回答,也就是你心裡的話,其實大家都緊張。\n但是這個緊張就是我們的機會所以我勉勵我們行政部門你必須好好地去看每一天的訊息萬變我政府到底要怎麼去應對來協助我的國人這才是我們要請問的答案嘛好不好趕快努力好不好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.289 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03:44.111\n所以本期告訴你基金會所公布的最新民調我們會去審慎的去了解民眾他們想的是什麼但是呢從另外一個角度來看我們也必須告訴民眾台美的關係立這麼多年以來雙邊的關係是相當相當的穩固我們不會因為總統的變的話發生巨大的變化\n\n03:45.792 --> 04:03.366\n兩黨跟我們的關係都非常好臺美關係剛剛也說了一個民調出來並不擔心65.3那表示跟你的論點是一樣但是我沒有看到這些言論這些言論成為保護會的那你的因應呢\n\n04:04.845 --> 04:29.091\n台灣的價值對美國價值美國要再次偉大其實他需要很多盟邦一起來做這個事情那台灣的價值呢在我們在太平洋這一塊維護了民主人權也是美國所要求的普世價值這一方面我們是有貢獻的所以不能專門說要保護費這個詞我覺得\n\n04:32.912 --> 04:58.879\n我非常贊同你所說的也就是川普在競爭在競選的時候他提到台灣應該要交保護會這一類的這一類的言論那請教田次你認為這個言論是不對的是不認同的是不可能的還是怎麼樣呢這個是他競選上面講的語言大家能夠聽得懂大家能夠聽得懂未來在明年1月份他上任會不會如此作為\n\n05:00.049 --> 05:21.385\n但是我們也要跟美國參眾兩院也好美國的民眾也好說台灣在這裡所扮演的價值我方當然要講我方的立場我們的價值全世界要再次偉大沒有台灣是不行的我要這麼說確實但是我們只有講我們自己好別人怎麼做他已經言論出來我們有沒有應對\n\n05:22.622 --> 05:50.355\n我們會謹慎的去了解他將來怎麼做如果在1月份之後他上任他仍舊要台灣交保護費你會認同嗎?你會交嗎?那看看他保護費的額度是多少哇你講真心話了因為在我們的預算書裡頭我有看到內容等到我們在預算的時候再來做討論我希望審慎之以台灣人民安全最重要的為最高原則\n\n05:52.687 --> 06:08.884\n請教市長我剛才特別說了在我們整個半導體方面以及防護的這個議題方面那他也在選舉的時候也提出那你認為你認為在他上任之後民眾有所憂心那你認為在他上任之後我方怎麼應對\n\n06:10.663 --> 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09:29.055\n這個跟委員報告第一個我這邊沒有完整的訊息因為主政單位是行政院經貿主辦辦公室第二個站在經濟部的立場經貿主辦辦公室你經濟部也是其中一個啊是是是對不對怎麼可以如此推本期最不希望聽到我們的行政部門你今天代表到立法院來就是你的課題啊怎麼會說這是誰的呢政府是一致的你也是經貿辦公室當中經濟部絕對是站非常重要的一個角色啊怎麼可以如此的推呢\n\n09:30.336 --> 09:50.166\n所以這個是你們每天在做的啊?是,沒有完整的訊息,但是我要下面接著要講經濟部的立場,我們是希望能夠繼續進行,我們也跟美方透過各個管道我們希望要繼續進行,這也是我們希望嘛,那所以本席針對本席的提問,也就是說目前正在談判正在協商,這個就是機會,跟剛剛您說的,這個就是機會\n\n10:11.880 --> 10:29.912\n這個基礎就是我們的機會而且現在正在創意正在協商所以在這樣的情況之下本席是希望我本席非常希望我們台灣是這麼好的國家而且每一個人民這麼努力尤其我們的廠商是這麼努力如果說\n\n10:31.373 --> 10:31.553\n委員的問題是說﹖\n\n10:53.510 --> 10:56.132\n在我們的詮釋裡面所謂保護費就是加強合作啦雙方來加強合作啦那麼要讓利的話要看美方提的條件是什麼目前情況不明但是我們就是先降低風險\n\n11:22.994 --> 11:40.870\n還有強化連結,包括對美國、對歐洲、對新南向國家...市長,你這樣講就對了啦。你們不用怕回答,因為這個階段是大家共同在討論。你應該是...其實我相信你最後的回答,也就是你心裡的話,其實大家都緊張。\n\n11:42.131 --> 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非常緊密在合作，尤其我們尚待協商，現在還在進行協商的，也就是臺美貿易倡議的第二階段，本席想請教我們政府，目前正在談判協商會不會有所變卦？依照你們目前所掌控的資料、情資，會不會在臺美貿易倡議的第二階段面臨更多的變數？請教。"],["陳次長正祺：跟委員報告，第一個，我這邊沒有完整的訊息，因為主政單位是行政院經貿談判辦公室。第二個，站在經濟部立場……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：經貿談判辦公室，你經濟部也是其中一個啊！"],["陳次長正祺：是。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：怎麼可以如此推？本席最不希望聽到我們的行政部門，你今天代表到立法院來，就是你的課題啊！怎麼會說這是誰的呢？政府是一致的，你也是經貿辦公室當中，經濟部絕對是占非常重要的一個角色啊！怎麼可以如此的推呢？"],["陳次長正祺：是，我剛剛跟委員報告……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：所以這個是你們每天在做的啊！"],["陳次長正祺：是，沒有完整的訊息，但是我下面接著要講經濟部的立場，我們是希望能夠繼續進行，我們也跟美方透過各個管道去溝通。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：我們希望要繼續進行，這也是我們希望嘛！所以針對本席的提問，也就是說，目前正在談判、正在協商，這個就是機會，跟剛剛您說的，這個就是機會！"],["陳次長正祺：是。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：那我們要嚴陣以待去看，會不會有更多的變相？會不會有更多的變相？這個時間點，這兩三個月來講，對我們臺灣、對全世界來講，大家都繃緊了神經，是不是？"],["陳次長正祺：是的。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：大家都拭目以待，而且這個基礎就是我們的機會嘛！而且現在正在倡議、正在協商嘛！對不對？所以在這樣的情況之下，本席非常希望，我們臺灣是這麼好的國家，而且每一個人民這麼努力，尤其我們的廠商是這麼努力，如果說只有要求在檯面下增加一些軍購、增加一些國防的保護費，或者是晶片的讓利，那政府你應該要超前去看，如果萬一真的碰到這樣情況，我們怎麼辦？請教，我們怎麼辦？"],["陳次長正祺：委員的問題是說如果美國加關稅是不是？"],["楊委員瓊瓔：剛剛田次已經告訴我了，如果是保護費，要看是多少，我說他講了真心話；那經濟部您呢？如果他要叫我們產業讓利呢？那你經濟部要怎麼做呢？要怎麼樣保護我們的廠商呢？"],["陳次長正祺：在我們的詮釋裡面，所謂保護費就是加強合作啦！雙方加強合作啦！那麼要讓利的話，要看美方提的條件是什麼，目前情況不明，但是我們就是先降低風險，還有強化連結，包括對美國、對歐洲、對新南向國家……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：次長，你這樣講就對了啦！你們不用怕回答，因為這個階段是大家共同在討論，其實我相信你最後的回答也就是你心裡的話，其實大家都緊張，但是這個緊張就是我們的機會，所以我勉勵我們行政部門，你必須好好的去看每一天的瞬息萬變，我政府到底要怎麼去應對來協助我的國人，這才是我們要請問並聽到的答案嘛！好不好？趕快努力，好不好？謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝楊瓊瓔委員，次長請回。","蘇清泉、蘇清泉，蘇清泉委員不在。","接下來，請葉元之委員上臺質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":322,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-35-15","speakers":["林憶君","沈伯洋","羅美玲","黃仁","徐巧芯","林楚茵","陳冠廷","陳永康","馬文君","王鴻薇","賴士葆","洪孟楷","楊瓊瓔","葉元之","王定宇","洪申翰","邱志偉"],"page_start":273,"meetingDate":["2024-11-20"],"gazette_id":"11310101","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11310101_00007"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第15次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請外交部部長、國家發展委員會、經濟部報告「美國總統大選後，對於推動台美貿易及科技建\n立合作架構之影響」，並備質詢","agenda_id":"11310101_00006"}}}