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00:02:39,928\n所以這個部分我們非常謝謝臺北高等行政法院在今年的9月19號判決撤銷訴言決定及嚴處分所以這個部分是跟我當初無論是召開協調或諮詢所採用的這些法院都採納當然現在很重要的就是\n\n8\n00:02:42,117 --> 00:02:51,077\n這個部分我再次的簡要的說因為時間的關係民用航空法這個三四條第二項\n\n9\n00:02:52,680 --> 00:03:14,912\n這主要是特別提到前兩項所定一定距離範圍由交通部會同有關機關劃定公告所以這個劃定公告你們就定了一個要點民用航空局為執行機場四周禁止、釋放有礙飛航安全物體定定這個要點\n\n10\n00:03:16,311 --> 00:03:44,118\n然後在這個要點裡面也提到這個自機場標高起算之60公尺以上高度訂了這樣的一個規定那這個高度裡面有非常不合理的地方在哪裡呢就是禁止建築的高度禁止現建的建築物的高度\n\n11\n00:03:46,100 --> 00:04:12,818\n這很高110、118.69公尺現建的我們的空拍機比這個低的低的多所以這樣的一個情形是一個不合理的地方我常常舉這個例子就在台東機場附近前面而已附近納魯灣大酒店很高我們的空拍機比這個低的多\n\n12\n00:04:14,554 --> 00:04:40,953\n然後另外就是在台東火車站附近遙控無人機飛得比這個現建高度還低所以這個都是不合理的我舉一個案例給部長還有民航局瞭解在花蓮有一個部落沙崎萊爾族一個國服部落他們要蓋部落聚會所\n\n13\n00:04:44,226 --> 00:05:09,496\n因為那個地方就是國防部的這個航空的一個航線一個航線按照國防部的規定不可以蓋那個部落就業所因為會一個航線我就會勘實地會勘我跟那個國防部的官員講\n\n14\n00:05:11,391 --> 00:05:37,759\n旁邊就是你們蓋的那個瞭望台他們蓋的我們的我說我們的部落機會數比這個瞭望台還低我們蓋的部落機會數比這個樹還低這樣還不能嗎他回去簽辦之後就可以了所以這個部分是有空間的有空間的尤其是\n\n15\n00:05:39,400 --> 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