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00:02:19,664\n好那我要跟你部長那個講的那是大問題事實上我回到我要講的好我要回到我要講的就是說我們應該台灣要有一個戰略佈局是現在台積電的佈局你看他現在在熊本對他有佈局他的這個晶片的一個晶片廠是但是\n\n7\n00:02:20,825 --> 00:02:41,025\n我早上在跟經濟部長在對談的時候我也跟他聊到了說是不是類似這樣的晶片廠最後他們要到被使用就要經過封裝那經過封裝他有可能會考慮去高雄的像日月光這樣的封裝廠或者是台積電自己未來他們很重要的COWAS先進封裝廠\n\n8\n00:02:42,086 --> 00:03:08,381\n所以不管是在哪裡製造的晶片最後就是要到封裝需要去一個封裝的一個基地那嘉義正好就是未來台積電COWAS的重點基地所以如果這樣來了我要跟部長來提出一個想法就是說我們有一個水上機場在這邊水上機場的條件我們可以去看一下它現在是軍民合用的一個機場那基本上\n\n9\n00:03:09,261 --> 00:03:12,824\n這一個機場跑道長度也不會輸給其他的機場你看跑道長度是跟台南一樣跟小港也一樣也比花蓮機場跟台東機場的跑道長度還要長那我們知道嘉義機場過去也有跑過幾次的包機當然是次數很少少之又少\n\n10\n00:03:28,917 --> 00:03:39,368\n是不定期的包機但是咧如果以剛剛我講的他以晶圓然後跟日本的熊本以日生活圈的概念他卻是未來可以發展成國際貨運機場\n\n11\n00:03:41,960 --> 00:04:03,435\n那我們是把台積電把我們的晶片的範圍因為我們要創造我們晶片的台灣要變全世界科技產品的日不落國要日不落國當然這個國際貨運就很重要了所以我們未來我們的加一機場有沒有可能在部長的領導之下我們加強它整個貨運裝載包括說它裝櫃、拆櫃、裝盤、拆盤裝車、卸車這些\n\n12\n00:04:10,140 --> 00:04:28,639\n基本的配備來用就好這一個布局起來未來一定有航空公司發現說我從嘉義因為我不用在桃園再去等我從嘉義來做貨運的一個起降相對於其他是方便的尤其對於這一個科技公司來說好保證我講完了來春泥你來保證委員我還要聽保證講好\n\n13\n00:04:33,323 --> 00:05:00,240\n從嘉義到台南到高雄到屏東確實這段時間整個科技業難移的現象非常的明顯那我們整體的南部這個南台灣的這個貨運的這個思考我們也做整體在思考啦以南部的這個科技業的未來的這個運量有在做思考所以我們整體都會來做一個規劃那委員您今天在建議就是說嘉義機場的部分我們未來也納入這個考量裡面\n\n14\n00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:29,038\n所以部長你們現在已經有在做南部貨運的一個國際線的一個規劃嘛對不對現在只是說每一個地方都有它的一個優勢當然也有它不利的地方我們嘉義有機場臺南也有機場那屏東高雄也有一個小港機場但是部長我跟你講一個關鍵點嘉義的一個優勢啦我們這叫做落後的優勢你要在臺南在高雄你發展貨運機場你沒有辦法突破宵禁這一塊啊是是是\n\n15\n00:05:29,298 --> 00:05:29,538\n你沒辦法面對這一塊嘛\n\n16\n00:05:45,578 --> 00:06:04,738\n所以我們這裡依舊有這個我們水上那裡基本上還不到那麼多的人口數要面對宵禁的相對於方便如果我們這個貨運的積散可以給地方帶來新的一些發展的契機居民也許會同意這個宵禁的一些干擾\n\n17\n00:06:05,419 --> 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春泥你來保證委員我還要聽保證講好\n273323\t300240\t從嘉義到台南到高雄到屏東確實這段時間整個科技業難移的現象非常的明顯那我們整體的南部這個南台灣的這個貨運的這個思考我們也做整體在思考啦以南部的這個科技業的未來的這個運量有在做思考所以我們整體都會來做一個規劃那委員您今天在建議就是說嘉義機場的部分我們未來也納入這個考量裡面\n300560\t329038\t所以部長你們現在已經有在做南部貨運的一個國際線的一個規劃嘛對不對現在只是說每一個地方都有它的一個優勢當然也有它不利的地方我們嘉義有機場臺南也有機場那屏東高雄也有一個小港機場但是部長我跟你講一個關鍵點嘉義的一個優勢啦我們這叫做落後的優勢你要在臺南在高雄你發展貨運機場你沒有辦法突破宵禁這一塊啊是是是\n329298\t329538\t你沒辦法面對這一塊嘛\n345578\t364738\t所以我們這裡依舊有這個我們水上那裡基本上還不到那麼多的人口數要面對宵禁的相對於方便如果我們這個貨運的積散可以給地方帶來新的一些發展的契機居民也許會同意這個宵禁的一些干擾\n365419\t384074\t所以我覺得這很多因素疊加起來嘉義的水上機場是得天獨我覺得部長你們在做整體的未來南部貨運國際線的時候戰略思考的時候慎重來思考我們的水上機場好不好水上機場明明就好聽水上的機場咧聽到這個人說有台灣很厲害我們飛機都在水上機場大家說這台灣有夠強這樣好不好好謝謝謝謝委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席那不是有請我們交通部部長以及我們民用航空局的局長何局長韓正思司長也邀請好司長好\n呃部長這個我先給你看一個統計表齁這個統計表他說現在臺灣的呃機場的貨運的一個統計那我們可以看出呃第一名的桃園齁他是166呃166萬跟第二名臺北高雄齁都是有很大的距離那從這個表看出來桃園機場佔了臺灣貨運的95.94%\n那剩下的臺北、高雄、台中、澎湖幾乎只佔了不到5%而且這不到5%又以國內貨運為多也就是我們臺灣的國際貨運超過可能99%以上都在桃園這是為什麼\n報告委員這個其實在航空業他們有一個疊加的效應當各國的航班比較多經過那個機場的時候他們有時候會貨物交換或者是有集貨的動作所以它會有一個主要一個集貨當然是集貨的一個方便性那畢竟桃園機場它的航線比較多所以航線多他們在於貨運的一些轉運的時候當然是相對方便是沒有錯但是\n但也呈現出來說我們臺灣在於貨運這一塊我們重度依賴桃園其他的機場他相對的功能性沒有被彰顯出來那沒有被彰顯出來自然臺灣除了桃園是一個比較完整符合貨運的機場其他的機場他們在於貨運的基本的配備相對也不夠\n好那我要跟你部長那個講的那是大問題事實上我回到我要講的好我要回到我要講的就是說我們應該台灣要有一個戰略佈局是現在台積電的佈局你看他現在在熊本對他有佈局他的這個晶片的一個晶片廠是但是\n我早上在跟經濟部長在對談的時候我也跟他聊到了說是不是類似這樣的晶片廠最後他們要到被使用就要經過封裝那經過封裝他有可能會考慮去高雄的像日月光這樣的封裝廠或者是台積電自己未來他們很重要的COWAS先進封裝廠\n所以不管是在哪裡製造的晶片最後就是要到封裝需要去一個封裝的一個基地那嘉義正好就是未來台積電COWAS的重點基地所以如果這樣來了我要跟部長來提出一個想法就是說我們有一個水上機場在這邊水上機場的條件我們可以去看一下它現在是軍民合用的一個機場那基本上\n這一個機場跑道長度也不會輸給其他的機場你看跑道長度是跟台南一樣跟小港也一樣也比花蓮機場跟台東機場的跑道長度還要長那我們知道嘉義機場過去也有跑過幾次的包機當然是次數很少少之又少\n是不定期的包機但是咧如果以剛剛我講的他以晶圓然後跟日本的熊本以日生活圈的概念他卻是未來可以發展成國際貨運機場\n那我們是把台積電把我們的晶片的範圍因為我們要創造我們晶片的台灣要變全世界科技產品的日不落國要日不落國當然這個國際貨運就很重要了所以我們未來我們的加一機場有沒有可能在部長的領導之下我們加強它整個貨運裝載包括說它裝櫃、拆櫃、裝盤、拆盤裝車、卸車這些\n基本的配備來用就好這一個布局起來未來一定有航空公司發現說我從嘉義因為我不用在桃園再去等我從嘉義來做貨運的一個起降相對於其他是方便的尤其對於這一個科技公司來說好 保證我講完了來 春泥你來保證委員我還要聽保證講好\n從嘉義到台南到高雄到屏東確實這段時間整個科技業難移的現象非常的明顯那我們整體的南部這個南台灣的這個貨運的這個思考我們也做整體在思考啦以南部的這個科技業的未來的這個運量有在做思考所以我們整體都會來做一個規劃那委員您今天在建議就是說嘉義機場的部分我們未來也納入這個考量裡面\n所以部長你們現在已經有在做南部貨運的一個國際線的一個規劃嘛對不對現在只是說每一個地方都有它的一個優勢當然也有它不利的地方我們嘉義有機場臺南也有機場那屏東高雄也有一個小港機場但是部長我跟你講一個關鍵點嘉義的一個優勢啦我們這叫做落後的優勢你要在臺南在高雄你發展貨運機場你沒有辦法突破宵禁這一塊啊是是是\n你沒辦法面對這一塊嘛\n所以我們這裡依舊有這個我們水上那裡基本上還不到那麼多的人口數要面對宵禁的相對於方便如果我們這個貨運的積散可以給地方帶來新的一些發展的契機居民也許會同意這個宵禁的一些干擾\n所以我覺得這很多因素疊加起來嘉義的水上機場是得天獨我覺得部長你們在做整體的未來南部貨運國際線的時候戰略思考的時候慎重來思考我們的水上機場好不好水上機場明明就好聽水上的機場咧聽到這個人說有台灣很厲害我們飛機都在水上機場大家說這台灣有夠強這樣好不好好謝謝謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.933 --> 00:17.049\n謝謝主席那不是有請我們交通部部長以及我們民用航空局的局長何局長韓正思司長也邀請好司長好\n\n00:22.111 --> 00:47.056\n呃部長這個我先給你看一個統計表齁這個統計表他說現在臺灣的呃機場的貨運的一個統計那我們可以看出呃第一名的桃園齁他是166呃166萬跟第二名臺北高雄齁都是有很大的距離那從這個表看出來桃園機場佔了臺灣貨運的95.94%\n\n00:52.604 --> 01:01.888\n那剩下的臺北、高雄、台中、澎湖幾乎只佔了不到5%而且這不到5%又以國內貨運為多也就是我們臺灣的國際貨運超過可能99%以上都在桃園這是為什麼\n\n01:12.025 --> 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