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00:03:11,805\n請問發生什麼事情?\n\n11\n00:03:28,906 --> 00:03:48,083\n是,跟委員報告那這一部分國防會主要是雙語計畫啦那因為本來有規劃是有要做行政法人但現在因為政策上雙語法人中心對,行政法人是那因為這部分的預算我們政策上有在做檢討所以暫緩執行可能因為主要是受到這個影響\n\n12\n00:03:49,204 --> 00:04:11,572\n好,這個因為你們給審計部的報告齁我要跟你講,你們寫的是錯的你們說齁,因為還沒有經過立法院的審議齁但其實你們法案上會期有送,這會期沒送啊是是是所以理由不在這邊所以請你們要就是務實的來進行檢討啦因為大部分其他執行成效不錯最後我要討論的是因為我非常的支持國發會做地方創生計畫也在我們前瞻當中現在我們前瞻要繼續做3.0的地方創生嘛對不對對所以明年有沒有變預算\n\n13\n00:04:19,055 --> 00:04:22,597\n臺北市臺北市臺北市臺北市臺北市臺北市臺北市\n\n14\n00:04:44,140 --> 00:04:59,779\n因為有人可能會說地方創生可能都會區比較不用不是這樣子以六都來看公視地方創生計畫新北市有11件高雄市有10件來請教一下國發會有沒有去了解過臺北市政府發生什麼問題啊是都沒有來申請還是跟你們申請你們審查沒過\n\n15\n00:05:00,799 --> 00:05:25,089\n主要是他比較沒有來申請比較沒有來申請那這個我要請副主委幫我去注意因為我的選區在臺北市中正萬華區我們萬華區是在臺北裡面都會區也非常需要地方創生的一個區域我們地方有很多優秀青年團體他們也曾經去投過國發會青年培力工作站的這個案件那他們告訴我說其實都有需求\n\n16\n00:05:25,529 --> 00:05:48,607\n但是有時候地方政府不讓他們提案對民間團體來講他們束手無策所以我希望你們要去來衡量都會區也需要地方創生尤其是在台北市每個區域的發展未必均衡所以請你們去來跟地方政府好好討論一下希望我們的地方創生是真的可以落實到我們的社區基層當中好嗎好謝謝委員我們一會來處理好謝謝主席來兩位請回好謝謝吳佩儀委員就請一位請委員\n\n17\n00:05:56,833 --> 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那再來我要討論的是我們的前瞻先看一下第4期的成效因為省基部有一個報告其實前瞻大部分的執行率是不錯其中像軌道建設甚至超過百分之百很多也在九成以上但是我看到幾項單項的項目的執行率很差所以我必須要提出來想要釐清第一個是勞動部我們有一筆整修職業訓練中心你的執行率是零\n這筆預算雖然不大一千四百萬請教一下是發生什麼問題是跟委員報告這筆預算是我們配合那個地方的勞工的相關中心的內政補強那是補助新竹市政府那今年3月以後呢新竹市政府\n公告目前進入評選階段,也有兩家的廠商來投標,預計11月份會決標。\n請問發生什麼事情?\n是,跟委員報告那這一部分國防會主要是雙語計畫啦那因為本來有規劃是有要做行政法人但現在因為政策上雙語法人中心對,行政法人是那因為這部分的預算我們政策上有在做檢討所以暫緩執行可能因為主要是受到這個影響\n好,這個因為你們給審計部的報告齁我要跟你講,你們寫的是錯的你們說齁,因為還沒有經過立法院的審議齁但其實你們法案上會期有送,這會期沒送啊是是是所以理由不在這邊所以請你們要就是務實的來進行檢討啦因為大部分其他執行成效不錯最後我要討論的是因為我非常的支持國發會做地方創生計畫也在我們前瞻當中現在我們前瞻要繼續做3.0的地方創生嘛對不對對所以明年有沒有變預算\n臺北市臺北市臺北市臺北市臺北市臺北市臺北市\n因為有人可能會說地方創生可能都會區比較不用不是這樣子以六都來看公視地方創生計畫新北市有11件高雄市有10件來請教一下國發會有沒有去了解過臺北市政府發生什麼問題啊是都沒有來申請還是跟你們申請你們審查沒過\n主要是他比較沒有來申請比較沒有來申請那這個我要請副主委幫我去注意因為我的選區在臺北市中正萬華區我們萬華區是在臺北裡面都會區也非常需要地方創生的一個區域我們地方有很多優秀青年團體他們也曾經去投過國發會青年培力工作站的這個案件那他們告訴我說其實都有需求\n但是有時候地方政府不讓他們提案對民間團體來講他們束手無策所以我希望你們要去來衡量都會區也需要地方創生尤其是在台北市每個區域的發展未必均衡所以請你們去來跟地方政府好好討論一下希望我們的地方創生是真的可以落實到我們的社區基層當中好嗎好 謝謝委員我們一會來處理好 謝謝主席來兩位請回好 謝謝吳佩儀委員就請一位請委員\n議員會議結束\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.009 --> 00:00.109\n委員會主席\n\n00:17.961 --> 00:37.574\n好,今天我們是進行前瞻基礎建設計畫第4期成效跟第5期預算的詢談那進入主題之前我想要先請教勞動部次長因為有關我們勞動部的基層同仁因為遭到分署長這位謝宜榮分署長的霸凌\n\n00:38.795 --> 01:00.884\n然後請審這一個事情引發社會各界的嘩然那勞動部在後續的處置我想也非常之不妥所以稍早我們部長已經承諾會重啟調查那首先呢在這幾個層面我要提醒次長就是第一個\n\n01:02.418 --> 01:22.619\n到底在過程當中從分署長到我們的蔡孟良署長這個當中調查的延宕有沒有包庇知情室在重啟調查當中務必要去把它理清楚有沒有曾經獲報\n\n01:25.017 --> 01:43.927\n而未處置再來在你們的之前的公告當中這個勞發署的蔡孟良署長說他自請最嚴厲處分叫做送考機會那我請教次長如果分署長送考機會是由誰來評量是不是由署長自請最嚴厲處分叫做送懲戒啊次長\n\n01:52.039 --> 02:06.935\n最嚴厲處分送考記這笑話所以我在這邊再次提醒竟然要重啟調查當中有沒有包庇之情是BP釐清再來你們BP要去把它釐清楚責任之後該上懲戒就要送懲戒好不好謝謝委員指教\n\n02:09.858 --> 02:37.893\n好那再來我要討論的是我們的前瞻先看一下第4期的成效因為省基部有一個報告其實前瞻大部分的執行率是不錯其中像軌道建設甚至超過百分之百很多也在九成以上但是我看到幾項單項的項目的執行率很差所以我必須要提出來想要釐清第一個是勞動部我們有一筆整修職業訓練中心你的執行率是零\n\n02:39.659 --> 02:55.180\n這筆預算雖然不大一千四百萬請教一下是發生什麼問題是跟委員報告這筆預算是我們配合那個地方的勞工的相關中心的內政補強那是補助新竹市政府那今年3月以後呢新竹市政府\n\n02:56.000 --> 02:57.901\n公告目前進入評選階段,也有兩家的廠商來投標,預計11月份會決標。\n\n03:11.465 --> 03:11.805\n請問發生什麼事情?\n\n03:28.906 --> 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