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00:01:42,620\n請起立一下你今天來這邊的身份是什麼沒關係你在那邊回應一下就好了不做記錄嘛你今天來這邊的坐在我們交通委員會的身份是什麼你是代表誰你代表什麼你是桃群的但是你剛剛我點到桃群的時候你沒有站起來桃群只來了兩位不包含你\n\n5\n00:01:58,991 --> 00:02:23,904\n桃園有規定今天的服裝是穿運動服到場嗎今天是交通委員會一日遊嗎來玩耍的嗎你是代表董事長來是不是不是那你來幹什麼來總經理我這全問題要講清楚啦到底我們交通委員會沒位委員我們請你們來開會桃園公司你也可以說董事長、總經理誰要來誰不要來那我就請問一下\n\n6\n00:02:24,983 --> 00:02:49,659\n我們交通委員會發函請你們來開會國營事業事實上華航他根本也算半民營的那你們今天來有什麼委屈嗎就是陶晶今天來有什麼委屈就是說我們是不是沒有資格邀你們交通委員會有沒有資格邀請你們有嗎\n\n7\n00:02:53,871 --> 00:03:01,938\n有資格嗎那今天白先生來這邊代表的是桃勤還是代表誰代表他個人\n\n8\n00:03:03,770 --> 00:03:23,588\n報告委員因為我們兩位我到任我們時間比較短我們對這個立法院的這個環境什麼都不是很清楚所以你們今天就來兩位嘛那第三位到底今天他是準備來做什麼的你講他是來幫我們引導這個\n\n9\n00:03:25,009 --> 00:03:25,289\n主席主席\n\n10\n00:03:50,308 --> 00:04:08,713\n職務桃園公司總經理蕭國之另外一位是副總經理劉舉淵另外一位是我們行政處的架子白濤德架子對在我們公司裡面的職務是架子他是架子所以今天架子穿著運動服來這邊一日遊我講真的齁那我今天講今天的重點齁\n\n11\n00:04:16,728 --> 00:04:39,449\n這個我想部長部長你知道嗎我為什麼講權益的問題啊請大家尊重交通委員會啦也尊重自己的身分我可能下一次我們沒有選上會去做別的事我就不是立委了啦我來這邊幹嘛大家看如果有緣還打個招呼沒有緣的話就掰掰了啦本來就這樣嘛尊重交通委員會也尊重自己嘛本來不是這樣嗎\n\n12\n00:04:41,931 --> 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謝謝主席我想今天發言之前我想先問一個權益問題這權益問題也不光是我而且是這個整個交通委員會整體的一個在立法院交通委員會它本身的一個職權的問題當然不是請主席回答那我再直接請就請問一下今天我們這個桃機桃機公司來的所有夥伴請起立一下原地起立哇 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長榮服務的國際班機也可能1點到、2點到，但是人家平均1個小時就是比較快一點，這個真的沒有理由啦！真的沒有理由。到底它的兵力不能派遣是因為會影響到勞工權益或是怎麼樣，我不清楚，但是值得去研究，在應變的時候，你要有方法。"],["陳部長世凱：是，如果長勤做得到，桃勤也應該要做得到，也就是說，長勤的應變措施可以做到更有效率，桃勤就應該學習該如何做得更有效率，因為這種天災不是我們能決定什麼時候來、什麼時候不來，未來這種派遣的部分或許可以考慮。"],["魯委員明哲：我想跟蕭總說，謝董，你也不用上來了，因為你們是最大的股東嘛！但是我建議，很多從基層做上來的桃勤夥伴，他們在基層實在是做得很辛苦，但是一到了高層，以前有2個副總，一個是從基層上來的、一個是從你們體系過來的，因為你們是最大的股東，你們要派人，我們也沒話講。現在大概就是一條龍，包括總經理、甚至是副總，都是國外的可能是民航繞一圈回來的，這個部分真的要搭配從基層幹起來的人，我覺得你們一定要調整這個部分，而且讓桃勤這家公司在整個員工升遷管道上是有盼望的，真的不要高層全部包掉，好不好？謝董，你能不能說一下？好像你們現在包括會計、稽核整套都是派你們訓練完的人過去，我覺得這個會打擊士氣。"],["謝董事長世謙：委員，桃勤的部分，事實上，他們是有內升的機制，我們華航這邊只派一個副總在那邊，其實他們那邊還有一個編制可以讓資深員工有機會升上來，並沒有杜絕他們升遷的管道。"],["魯委員明哲：現在總經理、副總經理都是你們的人，對不對？"],["謝董事長世謙：對，是。"],["魯委員明哲：你們派的嘛！"],["謝董事長世謙：是。"],["魯委員明哲：會計、稽核等一些重要職務也都是你們的人，因為總經理也是你們派來的，但是這樣很難為專業說話，你知道嗎？一方面要承包你們所有的cargo或客戶，單價也是與你們談，跟誰談？談的人又是你們派來的總經理，要與你們華航談，坦白講，很多的福利、人力有點超越他們兩個的能力，我希望部長關注這個問題，好不好？"],["陳部長世凱：好。"],["魯委員明哲：希望能夠讓員工的福利及升遷的管道順暢，謝謝。"],["陳部長世凱：好，我會來了解，謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝魯明哲召委。","下一位登記發言的王鴻薇委員，請。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":362,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-23-10","speakers":["魯明哲","林國成","黃健豪","李昆澤","徐富癸","陳素月","許智傑","林沛祥","游顥","何欣純","林俊憲","陳雪生","邱若華","王鴻薇","鄭天財Sra Kacaw","洪孟楷","黃國昌","葉元之","蔡易餘","王美惠","蔡其昌"],"page_start":291,"meetingDate":["2024-11-20"],"gazette_id":"11310302","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11310302_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請交通部部長陳世凱、交通部民用航空局局長、桃園國際機場股份有限公司董事長、中華\n航空股份有限公司董事長及桃園航勤股份有限公司董事長就「如何強化遭遇顯著危害天氣現象之\n飛航安全與人力配置暨如何落實地面勤務之安全規範」進行專題報告，並備質詢；二、審查114\n年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部民用航空局單位預算；三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附\n屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金─民航事業作業基金分預算；四、審查114\n年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於交通部主管桃園國際機場股份有限公司營業預\n算（僅進行詢答）","agenda_id":"11310302_00003"}}}