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00:01:12,209\n如果按照技術師所提供的資料在近5年裡頭你們整體法人的科專計畫發展的成果收入也是佔研發經費投入的金額平均比例是15.34\n\n4\n00:01:14,051 --> 00:01:34,210\n但是在同期的工研院研發的這個收入裡頭呢比平均是14.77那換句話說我們花了這麼多錢卻略低於整體法人研發成果的收入這個這個收入比的一個平均率那這怎麼辦呢請說明\n\n5\n00:01:35,811 --> 00:01:39,213\n中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案８一、邀請相關部會首長就〉\n\n6\n00:01:55,283 --> 00:02:11,414\n這讓人民覺得我的納稅錢到了前瞻又特別預算,但是我看不到方向啊!我看不到方向啊!你們有沒有預期我到底到什麼時候會有什麼樣的成長?你總是不能無底洞到最後告訴我急落落、膨脹沒有成果啊!\n\n7\n00:02:12,114 --> 00:02:39,056\n所以我具體要求你應該具體策略強化你整個在補助計畫的後續執行監督研發成果的一個落實使用因為你只有研發你沒有去使用你根本把這個錢都浪費掉了而且也讓這個研發者很沒有榮耀啊而且沒有成效嘛那怎麼辦呢你們要怎麼樣去調整這個方案呢\n\n8\n00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:46,564\n好,我們就照委員的意思你去研討那個方案那多久時間可以告訴我們?\n\n9\n00:02:49,841 --> 00:03:14,060\n呃...兩個禮拜內好不好?兩個禮拜告訴我齁你不能現在才告訴我說我因為科技所以我這錢瞻最後一起到時候你說又是錢瞻的錢那到時候沒有錢瞻的錢那先前所投資的那不是浪費掉了嗎?十幾%這個怎麼樣比例人家也聽不進去啊人民的納稅錢那麼辛苦對不對我們願意支持但是要看成效嘛\n\n10\n00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:14,760\n委員會主席\n\n11\n00:03:33,132 --> 00:03:38,697\n但是我們又看到經濟部你經濟部自己統計調查的財政部關稅署進口貿易的這個統計呢112年裡頭國內半導體設備需求是多少6858億他的國產比只有11體\n\n12\n00:03:54,710 --> 00:04:20,684\n11.2%雖然你知道你比這個108到111年率有提升但是我們還是發覺在整個比例方面我們還是靠進口我們還是靠進口而且要有6858頁這一塊餅這麼大我們政府怎麼看待之呢所以我要請教我們過度的去仰賴整個海外的設備跟原料的供給\n\n13\n00:04:21,644 --> 00:04:37,077\n我們只佔了十幾%尤其現在美國川普上任之後我們也不知道到底會有什麼樣的變化化學作用所以大家很緊張所以市長你看到這個比例你覺得要怎麼辦\n\n14\n00:04:37,997 --> 00:04:56,863\n跟委員報告其實我們現在也跟國內的半導體業者共同在來幫忙我們國內的一些半導體設備跟材料的這些供應鏈他們能夠提升國產化的一個自主率你看我們的前瞻是5年\n\n15\n00:04:57,883 --> 00:05:14,249\n這是五期這是最後一期我們到現在給我們的答案6千多億將近7千億我們的比11點多我們還沒有拿出這個方案出來所以次長針對這個議題我們要怎麼樣去強化整備我們整個半導體的這個關鍵材料跟它設備供應鏈的韌性\n\n16\n00:05:22,072 --> 00:05:44,127\n這一個耐性是非常的重要讓我們整個材料設備有自主性跟國產化這是我們人民的納稅錢所希望的最重要的精髓嗎是那你們現在怎麼做你也把書面資料給本席好嗎多久時間給本席也是兩個禮拜兩個禮拜最後一個議題我們的這個水災災情跟這個淹水的問題水運署\n\n17\n00:05:48,510 --> 00:06:07,538\n我看到我們一到四期水環境的跟水安全已經投入將近500億的經費來辦理縣市管理這個河川跟區域整合的排水系統整合整體性的一個改善這個大家很加油但是我覺得很納悶在第五期的方面你編列了101億又1000萬可是我來反推113年裡頭6月底你還沒有發包的\n\n18\n00:06:17,162 --> 00:06:27,039\n你還沒有發包的喔你就有92項欸你的1到3項裡頭你還有70項啊這裡工程你沒有發包欸這些就取消\n\n19\n00:06:28,151 --> 00:06:28,391\n主席主席\n\n20\n00:06:56,938 --> 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８一、邀請相關部會首長就〉\n這讓人民覺得我的納稅錢到了前瞻又特別預算,但是我看不到方向啊!我看不到方向啊!你們有沒有預期我到底到什麼時候會有什麼樣的成長?你總是不能無底洞到最後告訴我急落落、膨脹沒有成果啊!\n所以我具體要求你應該具體策略強化你整個在補助計畫的後續執行監督研發成果的一個落實使用因為你只有研發你沒有去使用你根本把這個錢都浪費掉了而且也讓這個研發者很沒有榮耀啊而且沒有成效嘛那怎麼辦呢你們要怎麼樣去調整這個方案呢\n好,我們就照委員的意思你去研討那個方案那多久時間可以告訴我們?\n呃...兩個禮拜內好不好?兩個禮拜告訴我齁你不能現在才告訴我說我因為科技所以我這錢瞻最後一起到時候你說又是錢瞻的錢那到時候沒有錢瞻的錢那先前所投資的那不是浪費掉了嗎?十幾%這個怎麼樣比例人家也聽不進去啊人民的納稅錢那麼辛苦對不對我們願意支持但是要看成效嘛\n委員會主席\n但是我們又看到經濟部你經濟部自己統計調查的財政部關稅署進口貿易的這個統計呢112年裡頭國內半導體設備需求是多少6858億他的國產比只有11體\n11.2%雖然你知道你比這個108到111年率有提升但是我們還是發覺在整個比例方面我們還是靠進口我們還是靠進口而且要有6858頁這一塊餅這麼大我們政府怎麼看待之呢所以我要請教我們過度的去仰賴整個海外的設備跟原料的供給\n我們只佔了十幾%尤其現在美國川普上任之後我們也不知道到底會有什麼樣的變化化學作用所以大家很緊張所以市長你看到這個比例你覺得要怎麼辦\n跟委員報告其實我們現在也跟國內的半導體業者共同在來幫忙我們國內的一些半導體設備跟材料的這些供應鏈他們能夠提升國產化的一個自主率你看我們的前瞻是5年\n這是五期這是最後一期我們到現在給我們的答案6千多億將近7千億我們的比11點多我們還沒有拿出這個方案出來所以次長針對這個議題我們要怎麼樣去強化整備我們整個半導體的這個關鍵材料跟它設備供應鏈的韌性\n這一個耐性是非常的重要讓我們整個材料設備有自主性跟國產化這是我們人民的納稅錢所希望的最重要的精髓嗎是那你們現在怎麼做你也把書面資料給本席好嗎多久時間給本席也是兩個禮拜兩個禮拜最後一個議題我們的這個水災災情跟這個淹水的問題水運署\n我看到我們一到四期水環境的跟水安全已經投入將近500億的經費來辦理縣市管理這個河川跟區域整合的排水系統整合整體性的一個改善這個大家很加油但是我覺得很納悶在第五期的方面你編列了101億又1000萬可是我來反推113年裡頭6月底你還沒有發包的\n你還沒有發包的喔你就有92項欸你的1到3項裡頭你還有70項啊這裡工程你沒有發包欸這些就取消\n主席主席\n第一個,我們一到四期的執行率,到今年年底絕對會超過95%本席告訴你,本席是針對你的這幾項嗎?那這幾項的部分,因為我們希望提早完工,所以我們是跨年度來核定所以有一些沒有發包的工程,它必須要先取得用地\n我們是跨年度來分配經費的,包括有一些分配到第5期,所以我們很有信心說第5期的包括101億都可以執行。本期告訴你是第一期到第三期,那你說你要跨到第5期才要來發報?第一期到第三期的部分,事實上我們已經執行結算的這個金額的話,執行率是百分之百。\n二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院\n你現在統計到8月份嘛本期統計的是到6月底以前你還有92項其中就是第一期到第三期有70項還沒有發報那你現在告訴我的是說告訴本期是說你有的是跨期是要跨到第5期才去發報那你為什麼要變到一到三期的呢不是跨到第5期才發報那你剛剛這麼說啊\n到年底它會發包然後它的使用的經費會跨113跟114實際的這個工作進行的情況是你還是承認你還有這一下還沒發包你會預計到年底才要發包有這個信心嗎?是不是?因為我們增核了我們增核了這一些我們用滾動式的結合對!對!對!對!對!對!所以我知道你們水利單位很辛苦但是我也希望錢要花到刀口上謝謝委員長我們會加強管控好!謝謝\n謝謝楊強英委員接著我們請劉建國委員謝謝主席有請賴署長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.456 --> 00:11.565\n首先是經濟部產業技術師我們在第5期最後一期的前瞻計畫裡頭我們編列到了綠能建設2.1億數位建設27億所以總共這個向下是29.3035萬SE那均為這29億多均為是獎注對不起時間暫停一下這個網路還沒好\n\n00:32.422 --> 00:56.274\n所以我再次說明,也就是經濟部在我們的商業技術室裡頭我們第5期裡頭特別編列29億多的經費但是我們看到這些經費,我們補助的公園院是11億多占整個技術室裡頭的前瞻的第5期大概是37.8%\n\n00:58.235 --> 01:12.209\n如果按照技術師所提供的資料在近5年裡頭你們整體法人的科專計畫發展的成果收入也是佔研發經費投入的金額平均比例是15.34\n\n01:14.051 --> 01:34.210\n但是在同期的工研院研發的這個收入裡頭呢比平均是14.77那換句話說我們花了這麼多錢卻略低於整體法人研發成果的收入這個這個收入比的一個平均率那這怎麼辦呢請說明\n\n01:35.811 --> 01:39.213\n中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案８一、邀請相關部會首長就〉\n\n01:55.283 --> 02:11.414\n這讓人民覺得我的納稅錢到了前瞻又特別預算,但是我看不到方向啊!我看不到方向啊!你們有沒有預期我到底到什麼時候會有什麼樣的成長?你總是不能無底洞到最後告訴我急落落、膨脹沒有成果啊!\n\n02:12.114 --> 02:39.056\n所以我具體要求你應該具體策略強化你整個在補助計畫的後續執行監督研發成果的一個落實使用因為你只有研發你沒有去使用你根本把這個錢都浪費掉了而且也讓這個研發者很沒有榮耀啊而且沒有成效嘛那怎麼辦呢你們要怎麼樣去調整這個方案呢\n\n02:40.080 --> 02:46.564\n好,我們就照委員的意思你去研討那個方案那多久時間可以告訴我們?\n\n02:49.841 --> 03:14.060\n呃...兩個禮拜內好不好?兩個禮拜告訴我齁你不能現在才告訴我說我因為科技所以我這錢瞻最後一起到時候你說又是錢瞻的錢那到時候沒有錢瞻的錢那先前所投資的那不是浪費掉了嗎?十幾%這個怎麼樣比例人家也聽不進去啊人民的納稅錢那麼辛苦對不對我們願意支持但是要看成效嘛\n\n03:14.480 --> 03:14.760\n委員會主席\n\n03:33.132 --> 03:38.697\n但是我們又看到經濟部你經濟部自己統計調查的財政部關稅署進口貿易的這個統計呢112年裡頭國內半導體設備需求是多少6858億他的國產比只有11體\n\n03:54.710 --> 04:20.684\n11.2%雖然你知道你比這個108到111年率有提升但是我們還是發覺在整個比例方面我們還是靠進口我們還是靠進口而且要有6858頁這一塊餅這麼大我們政府怎麼看待之呢所以我要請教我們過度的去仰賴整個海外的設備跟原料的供給\n\n04:21.644 --> 04:37.077\n我們只佔了十幾%尤其現在美國川普上任之後我們也不知道到底會有什麼樣的變化化學作用所以大家很緊張所以市長你看到這個比例你覺得要怎麼辦\n\n04:37.997 --> 04:56.863\n跟委員報告其實我們現在也跟國內的半導體業者共同在來幫忙我們國內的一些半導體設備跟材料的這些供應鏈他們能夠提升國產化的一個自主率你看我們的前瞻是5年\n\n04:57.883 --> 05:14.249\n這是五期這是最後一期我們到現在給我們的答案6千多億將近7千億我們的比11點多我們還沒有拿出這個方案出來所以次長針對這個議題我們要怎麼樣去強化整備我們整個半導體的這個關鍵材料跟它設備供應鏈的韌性\n\n05:22.072 --> 05:44.127\n這一個耐性是非常的重要讓我們整個材料設備有自主性跟國產化這是我們人民的納稅錢所希望的最重要的精髓嗎是那你們現在怎麼做你也把書面資料給本席好嗎多久時間給本席也是兩個禮拜兩個禮拜最後一個議題我們的這個水災災情跟這個淹水的問題水運署\n\n05:48.510 --> 06:07.538\n我看到我們一到四期水環境的跟水安全已經投入將近500億的經費來辦理縣市管理這個河川跟區域整合的排水系統整合整體性的一個改善這個大家很加油但是我覺得很納悶在第五期的方面你編列了101億又1000萬可是我來反推113年裡頭6月底你還沒有發包的\n\n06:17.162 --> 06:27.039\n你還沒有發包的喔你就有92項欸你的1到3項裡頭你還有70項啊這裡工程你沒有發包欸這些就取消\n\n06:28.151 --> 06:28.391\n主席主席\n\n06:56.938 --> 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