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00:00:46,843\n委員好部長無安喔怕您那個坐在這邊太久沒有走動所以要跟您請教一個跟雙語政策有關的問題啦那先請問部長我想部長請問您那個每年度因為我們未來體育署要升格嘛明年度的體育經費在您教育部下面的是多少錢呢您大概記得嗎\n\n3\n00:00:47,943 --> 00:00:48,523\n中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫\n\n4\n00:01:05,811 --> 00:01:08,955\n二、審查行政院函請審議:「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案),\n\n5\n00:01:25,836 --> 00:01:26,577\n請審查行政院函請審議\n\n6\n00:01:50,574 --> 00:02:13,229\n關於雙語政策怎麼推動其實非常少人好好來跟教育部討論今天就想跟您討論一個我認為這個雙語政策你們的六大重點裡面的其中一個我非常關心的就是你們的2030雙語政策推動重點裡面這邊就是你們的影像有一個是米平偏鄉落差\n\n7\n00:02:14,310 --> 00:02:39,000\n我認為米平偏鄉落差當然非常好因為我們知道都會的家長可能都會讓自己的小孩還去補英語或者是自己找師資可是看你明年的經費每一項都增加了可是卻這一項並沒有增加我想請問部長你們到底是怎麼樣米平偏鄉的英語的程度的落差\n\n8\n00:02:40,954 --> 00:03:01,101\n跟委員報告我們在偏鄉這裡邊確實它是一個非常重要的一個一塊所以我們在這個雙乙的學辦我們有800名的大學生他們會進入到偏鄉去協助不管假日或者這一個寒暑假另外我們也透過這一個數位共讀裡面來協助偏鄉的一些\n\n9\n00:03:07,463 --> 00:03:21,452\n有補助兩萬台的一個平板另外我們還有用酷英網這一個部分能夠讓學童能夠自學包含我們也發展出這一個英語能力的一個自我檢測\n\n10\n00:03:23,212 --> 00:03:38,417\n因為時間的緣故我就不繼續就是我知道部長講的東西你們計畫書都有在你們的計畫書的第4頁就提到您剛講的這些方法那其中我最關注的是穩定偏鄉師資來源包含雙語公費生偏鄉合理援額雙語數位學習資源那我只是請問部長\n\n11\n00:03:45,859 --> 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