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00:01:04,173\n網路上報出這樣一個問題但事實上這件事情已經今年累月了那本席在這邊要討論的是教育部你們其實在112年3月17號在專任運動教練增能研習納入教練領導行為之專業之能的書面報告中已經做過相關說明但是\n\n4\n00:01:19,582 --> 00:01:23,924\n所以我在這邊跟你講因為我們今天其實是針對怎麼樣防治霸凌的防治跟處理那我相信今天的議題一整天許多人都針對現在時事的議題提出了很多的看法\n\n5\n00:01:49,295 --> 00:02:04,946\n但我這邊要先提醒的是你們在之前已經發生過相關的霸凌事件也寫過報告但是這個報告截至今年又已經經過了一兩年這個事情還是在發生據我所知體談的這件事情教練也已經離開了\n\n6\n00:02:07,369 --> 00:02:31,342\n那這就會關係到剛才前面有委員有講的就那個勞動部如果未來相關的人員也離開了雖然部長這邊也有做一些承諾啦但是教育部你們已經碰到人員離開了但這件事情在現在已經造成選手的終身的遺憾所以本席在這邊特別指出因為你們的不積極作為\n\n7\n00:02:33,274 --> 00:02:34,416\n其實跟公務員報告事實上\n\n8\n00:02:47,452 --> 00:02:49,734\n我這邊先做一個提醒我們不希望未來再聽到有這樣的事件發生好謝謝教育部麻煩你把這個話帶回去\n\n9\n00:03:16,236 --> 00:03:43,635\n如果是教育體系裡面即使是離職的人員如果在在職的時候有不適人的情形如果人家離職已經在私領域了是在私部門了怎麼辦在在職的期間這個人已經到了私部門那接下來我就針對這個勞動部部長我想今天從早到現在很多人都已經指出你們發生的事情你這邊也做了很多回應但是我還是強調這件事情在過程當中你們難道都沒有掌握嗎\n\n10\n00:03:46,806 --> 00:03:49,167\n請你說明一下好不好\n\n11\n00:04:17,678 --> 00:04:41,536\n好報告委員這個案子其實完全是我的責任那北分所這一兩年確實離任率比較多那是在過程當中你們有掌握嗎對因為我們大概有去了解那個離退的原因那因為有些是因為是退休那有些是因為是升遷那有些是因為個人所以你們完全沒有掌握任何跟這些事情相關的直接的訊息嗎\n\n12\n00:04:42,216 --> 00:05:11,856\n跟委員報告因為這段時間真確實是也沒有任何來反映有遭受到一些其他的不當的情形如果有其實我們第一時間一定會做一個徹底的一個調查那這聽起來還真是如生門怎麼辦呢然後部長說他要概括承受結果你們在事前也沒有掌握那我不知道未來還有沒有可能發生這樣子的事情跟委員報告這個事件我們退痛定是痛我們會針對我們內控的一些因素我們會加強來做一些管理\n\n13\n00:05:13,374 --> 00:05:36,004\n好謝謝勞動部所以整體是不是衛福部不好意思衛福部那個職場心理健康是很重要的一個議題那這次勞動部發生這個事情我們常常都是在發生事情然後處理之後事實上我們都挽救不了任何的事啊那請問你們在這個區塊怎麼做呢\n\n14\n00:05:39,859 --> 00:05:55,686\n你們不是有這個相關的自殺防治法嗎然後還要結合各部會我想了解一下結合各部會結合勞動部出了這個事教育部還有未解決的問題那請問衛福部在這個部分你們的困難跟你覺得真正的問題癥結在哪裡\n\n15\n00:05:57,962 --> 00:06:12,368\n跟委員報告其實我們不管是在促進全民的心理健康提升全民的心理健康韌性或者在做自殺防治的部分這個都是要跨部會大家一起來做的那所以怎麼個跨防呢事情一直在發生而且發生到很離譜啦\n\n16\n00:06:14,369 --> 00:06:33,505\n其實不管是在這個勞動部或是國防部或是教育部等等部會其實在提升自己權管範圍之內的這個民眾的心理健康都有提出一些作為我知道你們都有很多報告很多作為可是重點是你們這個自殺防治法的相關作為\n\n17\n00:06:35,503 --> 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