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00:02:43,756\n報告委員我們補助主要是補助像5G的建設對我知道我知道我知道嘛我們政府當然是補助各個5G建設基地還有各方面偏鄉我知道這些我都知道齁這個等一下我來問你但是呢你們在補助這些業者的同時你們看他們在做這些監督監控民眾手機訊號信息有做出調查嗎\n\n8\n00:02:45,726 --> 00:03:15,229\n有調查嗎?報告委員,通信監察是NCC在主管我知道,但是你們給錢啊所以我要說你們,我知道NCC我知道,NCC我也是會問還有交通部,這個中華電力還有我們交通部的這個股份所以,我是說你們這樣補因為你們給錢,你們對它有一定的支撐量它要跟你申請預算嘛但我知道你是做別的地方但是面對業者這樣子監控齁這個可以分析人流、分析資料來到這些業者\n\n9\n00:03:16,670 --> 00:03:41,711\n你們訪問這些業者一方面領我們的錢是來自國家領我們國家的錢同時來監控國民我們補助是基地站不是在後面的基地我知道你們補助基地站就是我下台所以我要說這個事情的發生是很嚴重的事情我希望你們趕快也給我一個報告你們知道的部分因為你們給人家錢嘛我懷疑他們會不會就是用你們補助的錢從中模用去啊也有可能啊對不對\n\n10\n00:03:42,912 --> 00:03:52,222\n一個禮拜內給我報告這個事件的報告那當然你們的這個補助你說這個偏鄉地區的這個部分你看請問你們有沒有補助我們今天的真話電信\n\n11\n00:03:53,612 --> 00:04:19,929\n偏鄉的補助就是在我們這個是對一般有沒有補助金門金門算是偏遠地區嗎金門應該金門有有嗎有但是我們金門的民眾抱怨很多抱怨很多我這裡有很多資料給你沒有訊號啦什麼卡卡的啊什麼非常多常常斷訊啊報告委員我們在今年的前瞻還會再加強還會再加強這個部分我要給我一個檢討民眾的反應非常的多我請問農業\n\n12\n00:04:21,630 --> 00:04:41,264\n一個禮拜給我報告好謝謝農業部委員好農業部我想請問你我們金門有一個養牛場驗出一個牛節節診對不對對8月30號所以8月30號我知道所以你們就宣布為了確保整體產業安全公告暫停金門縣的牛隻生鮮冷凍冷藏牛肉運往台灣台灣島運往台灣島\n\n13\n00:04:44,166 --> 00:05:10,415\n報告委員,不是我們8月30日之後宣布目前在8月30日之前一直都不能讓它進來因為WOAH就是世界動物組織把台灣澎湖跟馬祖是我們是不施打疫苗的我知道,昨天部長有跟我講反正我們金門跟你不同國我知道,台灣金門馬祖跟你一國因為金門的這個施打疫苗沒有落實我先問你一件事情\n\n14\n00:05:11,135 --> 00:05:13,177\n二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函\n\n15\n00:05:27,314 --> 00:05:27,414\n為什麼?\n\n16\n00:05:27,414 --> 00:05:27,794\n為什麼?\n\n17\n00:05:27,794 --> 00:05:30,215\n因為WOAH什麼意思?\n\n18\n00:05:30,215 --> 00:05:53,905\n因為WOAH是這樣規定的那個叫做骨骼肌啦骨骼肌本來就是可以進來因為日本也是沒有打日本也是牛結節診陽性我們也是牛結節診陽性沒有錯可是他們也是WOAH宣布的跟我們台灣所以你是告訴我說是WOAH告訴你說日本可以進來台灣然後我們基本不能進來台灣喔?\n\n19\n00:05:54,485 --> 00:05:54,505\n韓國瑜議員\n\n20\n00:06:13,033 --> 00:06:14,814\n中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期\n\n21\n00:06:31,083 --> 00:06:51,370\n一國兩制喔?不是一國兩制是因為金門沒有落實施打疫苗所以他到現在抗體不足所以我們怕他的不管是我們的這個口蹄疫或是鳥結症會影響到台灣我們好不容易已經變成清靜我告訴你你們給我回答也不只是這樣子你們還說因為我們跟中國大陸距離很近\n\n22\n00:06:52,270 --> 00:06:52,570\n請審查行政院函請審議\n\n23\n00:07:15,964 --> 00:07:16,764\n我希望你是不是還要提出\n\n24\n00:07:42,892 --> 00:08:03,126\n還是還是提出還是提出這種就是有沒有什麼方式防疫的部分來幫助金門因為我們你說我們跟大陸很近這不是我們願意這個地理位置就在那裡所以除了撲殺消毒打疫苗還有跟我們一些提出一些對策好嗎對這個部分請你們協助可以多多支持\n\n25\n00:08:04,366 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我們請速發部跟農業部上台\n部長,你們速發布113年補助中華電信到今年第3季為止補助中華電信及它的網路技術分公司23億多萬我想請問你記不記得在今年5月份的時候有電視台的名嘴在電視上公開說他們發現\n按照手機訊號分析指出他們發現在青島東路的這個小草跟在凱達格蘭大道的這個民眾還有跟那時候在這個青鳥在這個立法院外面那些青鳥按照訊號的比對是不同的人你記得有這段嗎?你記得這件事情嗎?記得嗎?你要說商量的喔?\n那時候就爆發了這個政府應該說電信公司用手機監控民眾的疑慮那時候速發部曾經說技術上的確可能應用手機訊號分析用戶的個人資料\n但是呢這個需要兩個資料就是一個基地台的服務的用戶號碼還有電信事業客戶資料庫用來分析特定區域用戶來但是一般民眾呢拿到這兩同時拿到這兩個一般的民眾跟一般的公司同時拿到這些資料的可能性極低對不對這是你們那時候的回覆啊對沒錯對不對\n對,需要有法律的移均,這個是在各自保護裡面,所以辦案是,這是在各自保護裡頭嘛,但是有名嘴公開在電視講說有這樣的事情那我請問啦,蘇發部,你們一年補助這麼多預算,好像補助電信的三大業者齁但是呢,你們任由他們來監控人民齁,那後來認為怎麼樣?中央第一說沒有,他們沒有監控人民對不對?他們就有說他們沒有這樣做對不對?\n報告委員我們補助主要是補助像5G的建設對我知道我知道我知道嘛我們政府當然是補助各個5G建設基地還有各方面偏鄉我知道這些我都知道齁這個等一下我來問你但是呢你們在補助這些業者的同時你們看他們在做這些監督監控民眾手機訊號信息有做出調查嗎\n有調查嗎?報告委員,通信監察是NCC在主管我知道,但是你們給錢啊所以我要說你們,我知道NCC我知道,NCC我也是會問還有交通部,這個中華電力還有我們交通部的這個股份所以,我是說你們這樣補因為你們給錢,你們對它有一定的支撐量它要跟你申請預算嘛但我知道你是做別的地方但是面對業者這樣子監控齁這個可以分析人流、分析資料來到這些業者\n你們訪問這些業者一方面領我們的錢是來自國家領我們國家的錢同時來監控國民我們補助是基地站不是在後面的基地我知道你們補助基地站就是我下台所以我要說這個事情的發生是很嚴重的事情我希望你們趕快也給我一個報告你們知道的部分因為你們給人家錢嘛我懷疑他們會不會就是用你們補助的錢從中模用去啊也有可能啊對不對\n一個禮拜內給我報告這個事件的報告那當然你們的這個補助你說這個偏鄉地區的這個部分你看請問你們有沒有補助我們今天的真話電信\n偏鄉的補助就是在我們這個是對一般有沒有補助金門金門算是偏遠地區嗎金門應該金門有有嗎有但是我們金門的民眾抱怨很多抱怨很多我這裡有很多資料給你沒有訊號啦什麼卡卡的啊什麼非常多常常斷訊啊報告委員我們在今年的前瞻還會再加強還會再加強這個部分我要給我一個檢討民眾的反應非常的多我請問農業\n一個禮拜給我報告好謝謝農業部委員好農業部我想請問你我們金門有一個養牛場驗出一個牛節節診對不對對8月30號所以8月30號我知道所以你們就宣布為了確保整體產業安全公告暫停金門縣的牛隻生鮮冷凍冷藏牛肉運往台灣台灣島運往台灣島\n報告委員,不是我們8月30日之後宣布目前在8月30日之前一直都不能讓它進來因為WOAH就是世界動物組織把台灣澎湖跟馬祖是我們是不施打疫苗的我知道,昨天部長有跟我講反正我們金門跟你不同國我知道,台灣金門馬祖跟你一國因為金門的這個施打疫苗沒有落實我先問你一件事情\n二、審查行政院函請審查行政院函\n為什麼?\n為什麼?\n因為WOAH 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什麼意思?"},{"start":330.215,"end":353.905,"text":"因為WOAH 是這樣規定的 那個叫做骨骼肌啦 骨骼肌本來就是可以進來 因為日本也是沒有打 日本也是牛結節診陽性 我們也是牛結節診陽性 沒有錯 可是他們也是WOAH宣布的跟我們台灣所以你是告訴我說是WOAH告訴你說日本可以進來台灣 然後我們基本不能進來台灣喔?"},{"start":354.485,"end":354.505,"text":"韓國瑜議員"},{"start":373.033,"end":374.814,"text":"中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期"},{"start":391.083,"end":411.37,"text":"一國兩制喔?不是一國兩制是因為金門沒有落實施打疫苗所以他到現在抗體不足所以我們怕他的不管是我們的這個口蹄疫或是鳥結症會影響到台灣我們好不容易已經變成清靜我告訴你你們給我回答也不只是這樣子你們還說因為我們跟中國大陸距離很近"},{"start":412.27,"end":412.57,"text":"請審查行政院函請審議"},{"start":435.964,"end":436.764,"text":"我希望你是不是還要提出"},{"start":462.892,"end":483.126,"text":"還是還是提出還是提出這種就是有沒有什麼方式防疫的部分來幫助金門因為我們你說我們跟大陸很近這不是我們願意這個地理位置就在那裡所以除了撲殺消毒打疫苗還有跟我們一些提出一些對策好嗎對這個部分請你們協助可以多多支持"},{"start":484.366,"end":485.026,"text":"接下來我們請葛如君委員質詢"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":2996,"blocks":[["陳委員玉珍：（16時22分）謝謝主席，有請數發部黃部長跟農業部。"],["主席：好，請數發部跟農業部上臺。"],["陳委員玉珍：部長，數發部113年到第3季為止，補助了中華電信及網路技術分公司二十三億七百多萬。我想請問你，你記不記得在今年5月份，有電視臺的名嘴在電視上公開說，他們按照手機訊號分析指數發現，在青島東路的小草跟在凱達格蘭大道的民眾，還有那時候在立法院外面的青鳥，按照訊號比對是不同的人，你記得這一段嗎？"],["黃部長彥男：記得。"],["陳委員玉珍：你記得這件事情嗎？"],["黃部長彥男：記得。"],["陳委員玉珍：記得嘛，你那時候上任了，5月份。"],["黃部長彥男：對。"],["陳委員玉珍：你剛上任。"],["黃部長彥男：剛剛上任。"],["陳委員玉珍：對，你剛上任，那時候就爆發了電信公司用手機監控民眾的疑慮，數發部曾經說，技術上的確可能應用手機訊號分析用戶的個人資料，但是需要兩個資料，一個是基地臺的服務用戶號碼，還有電信事業客戶資料庫，用來分析特定區域用戶，但是一般民眾跟一般公司同時拿到這兩個資料的可能性極低，對不對？這是你們那時候的回復。"],["黃部長彥男：對，沒錯。"],["陳委員玉珍：對不對？"],["黃部長彥男：對。"],["陳委員玉珍：對嘛。"],["黃部長彥男：對，需要有法律的依據，這個是在個資保護裡面，所以……"],["陳委員玉珍：這是在個資保護裡頭，但是有名嘴公開在電視說有這樣的事情。我請問數發部，你們一年編列這麼多預算補助電信的三大業者，但是你們任由他們來監控人民，那後來怎麼樣？中華電信說沒有，他們沒有監控人民，對不對？他們說他們沒有這樣做，對不對？"],["黃部長彥男：對，報告委員，我們主要是補助5G的建設。"],["陳委員玉珍：對，我知道，政府補助當然是補助5G建設基地臺。"],["黃部長彥男：包括在偏鄉……"],["陳委員玉珍：各方面……偏鄉，我知道，這些我都知道，這個等一下我還要問你，但是你們在補助這些業者的同時，你們看他們在做這些監控民眾手機訊號的事情，你們有做調查嗎？"],["黃部長彥男：報告委員，通訊監察是NCC在主管的。"],["陳委員玉珍：我知道，但是你們給錢啊，所以我要說你們……"],["黃部長彥男：NCC……"],["陳委員玉珍：我知道，NCC我也會問，還有交通部，交通部還有中華電信的股份。"],["黃部長彥男：對，這是交給他們調查……"],["陳委員玉珍：我是說，因為你們給錢，你們對他們有一定的制衡，他們會跟你們申請預算，我知道你們是做別的地方……"],["黃部長彥男：對。"],["陳委員玉珍：但是面對業者這樣子監控，可以分析人流、分析資料……"],["黃部長彥男：報告委員……"],["陳委員玉珍：你們放任這些業者，你們的錢是來自國家，卻讓他們一方面領我們國家的錢，同時又來監控人民啊？"],["黃部長彥男：報告委員，我們補助是基地站，不是在後面的……"],["陳委員玉珍：我知道，你們補助基地站就是我下一條……所以我要說的是，發生這個事情是很嚴重的，我希望你們趕快給我一個報告，就你們知道的部分。因為你們給人家錢，我懷疑他們會不會就是用你們補助的錢從中挪用，也有可能啊，對不對？一個禮拜內給我報告，關於這個事件的報告。當然你們的補助，你說偏鄉地區的這個部分，請問你們有沒有補助金門的中華電信？"],["黃部長彥男：偏鄉的補助就是在我們……這個是……對，一般來說……"],["陳委員玉珍：有沒有補助金門？金門算是偏遠地區嘛。"],["黃部長彥男：金門應該有，金門有。"],["陳委員玉珍：有嘛，但是金門的民眾抱怨很多，我這裡有很多資料可以給你，像是沒有訊號、卡卡的等等非常多，常常斷訊啊……"],["黃部長彥男：報告委員，我們在今年的前瞻還會再加強。"],["陳委員玉珍：還會再加強？這個部分也要給我一個檢討報告。"],["黃部長彥男：我們今年……"],["陳委員玉珍：民眾的反映非常多，一個禮拜給我報告。"],["黃部長彥男：好，謝謝。"],["陳委員玉珍：謝謝。請農業部。"],["胡次長忠一：委員好。"],["陳委員玉珍：農業部，我想請問你，金門有一個養牛場驗出牛結節疹，對不對？"],["胡次長忠一：對，8月30號。"],["陳委員玉珍：好，8月30號，我知道。所以你們就宣布，為了確保整體產業安全，公告暫停金門縣的牛隻及其生鮮、冷凍、冷藏牛肉運往臺灣島，沒錯吧？"],["胡次長忠一：報告委員，不是我們8月30號之後宣布，目前、在8月30號之前都一直不能讓它進來，因為WOAH（世界動物衛生組織）宣布臺灣、澎湖跟馬祖是不施打疫苗的非疫區……"],["陳委員玉珍：我知道，昨天部長有跟我講，反正我知道我們金門跟你不同國，臺灣、金門、馬祖跟你們一國。"],["胡次長忠一：不是，是不同區，因為金門施打疫苗沒有落實，我們……"],["陳委員玉珍：我先問你一件事情，我之前也沒有什麼意見，如果金門有什麼問題，我們改善嘛。"],["胡次長忠一：是。"],["陳委員玉珍：前幾天我看到一個新聞，你們說日本也有牛結節疹，是日本、外國，為什麼日本的牛肉可以放行？"],["胡次長忠一：是，日本的……"],["陳委員玉珍：為什麼？"],["胡次長忠一：因為WOAH……"],["陳委員玉珍：什麼意思？"],["胡次長忠一：你也讓我講一下。"],["陳委員玉珍：好。"],["胡次長忠一：WOAH是這樣規定的，那個叫做骨骼肌……"],["陳委員玉珍：什麼啦？"],["胡次長忠一：骨骼肌本來就可以進來，因為日本也是沒有打……"],["陳委員玉珍：日本牛是牛結節疹陽性，我們的牛也是牛結節疹陽性。"],["胡次長忠一：沒有錯，可是他們也是WOAH宣布，跟臺灣、澎湖跟馬祖一樣。"],["陳委員玉珍：所以你是告訴我，是WOAH告訴你日本牛可以進來臺灣，然後金門牛不能進來臺灣喔？"],["胡次長忠一：不是這樣子……"],["陳委員玉珍：不是這樣子？"],["胡次長忠一：他們的牛奶不能進來，因為牛結節疹發生之前必須要90天……"],["陳委員玉珍：我們的牛有牛結節疹，那我們的牛奶也不要進來啊，但牛肉可以吧？"],["胡次長忠一：牛肉他沒有進來啊。"],["陳委員玉珍：不是，我是說金門，日本牛肉可以進來，我知道他們的牛跟我們的牛有一樣的病，對不對？牛結節疹是同一種病，同樣的吧？"],["胡次長忠一：我這樣講啦，日本跟臺灣是同一個區，就是……"],["陳委員玉珍：喔，日本跟臺灣同一區，那金門跟臺灣不同區？"],["胡次長忠一：不施打疫苗的非疫區，牛結節疹發生了，所以我們擋他的牛奶，可是他的做法……"],["陳委員玉珍：金門跟臺灣不同區？你一國兩制喔？"],["胡次長忠一：不是一國兩制，是因為金門沒有落實施打疫苗，所以現在抗體不足，所以我們怕他的……不管是口蹄疫也好，或者牛結節疹也好會影響臺灣，我們好不容易已經變成清淨國了。"],["陳委員玉珍：我告訴你，你們給我回答也不只是這樣子，你們還說，因為我們跟中國大陸距離很近，所以你們採取嚴格的防疫措施。"],["胡次長忠一：不是、不是這樣，是因為……"],["陳委員玉珍：這是貴部給我的回答。"],["胡次長忠一：因為金門縣政府沒有落實打疫苗……"],["陳委員玉珍：沒有落實打疫苗？"],["胡次長忠一：如果可以落實牛籍、羊籍的管理……"],["陳委員玉珍：我只是不能理解你們這樣的限制，你剛剛跟我講，因為日本跟臺灣同一個區，金門跟臺灣島又不同區……"],["胡次長忠一：不是，因為我們怕金門的口蹄疫……"],["陳委員玉珍：怕金門的牛肉過來可能會影響，金門的肉會影響到臺灣的，但是不怕日本的過來影響到臺灣？"],["胡次長忠一：臺灣的口蹄疫……"],["陳委員玉珍：OK，好，沒有關係。我想請問你，你們在這個部分是不是對於日本跟金門大小眼？你們跟他們同一區，我們跟你們不同區的這個做法……"],["胡次長忠一：沒有大小眼，是金門縣政府沒有落實，我們會輔導他們，好不好？"],["陳委員玉珍：我當主席時，給每個人都講超過的時間。我希望你提出針對防疫部分有沒有什麼方式能來幫助金門，因為你說我們跟大陸很近，這不是我願意的，地理位置就在那裡，所以除了撲殺、消毒、打疫苗，還要給我們提出一些對策，好嗎？"],["胡次長忠一：對，我們很……"],["陳委員玉珍：這個部分請你們協助喔！"],["胡次長忠一：可以……"],["陳委員玉珍：要多多支持，你不要看到我講日本就開始跳起來。"],["胡次長忠一：不是、不是，我沒有跳起來……"],["陳委員玉珍：我不是說他，有人。"],["胡次長忠一：我是實話實說，因為我們……"],["陳委員玉珍：實話實說？"],["胡次長忠一：對，我們要保護臺灣的……"],["陳委員玉珍：好，日本跟臺灣同區，金門跟臺灣不同區，那幫助我們，可以嗎？"],["胡次長忠一：這個是WOAH宣布的，他也是沒有打疫苗的……"],["陳委員玉珍：好，你以後跟他掛同一個國旗就好了！好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝陳玉珍委員的質詢。","接下來請葛如鈞委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":312,"meet_id":"聯席會議-11-2-20,15,19,22,23,26-1","speakers":["陳玉珍","林德福","吳秉叡","李坤城","陳亭妃","賴瑞隆","林宜瑾","郭國文","賴惠員","賴士葆","洪孟楷","顏寬恒","萬美玲","王世堅","蘇巧慧","王美惠","張雅琳","柯志恩","王鴻薇","陳超明","陳菁徽","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","李昆澤","黃秀芳","吳沛憶","林月琴","郭昱晴","陳秀寳","陳培瑜","李柏毅","張智倫","李彥秀","黃健豪","徐富癸","張宏陸","謝衣鳯","楊瓊瓔","劉建國","范雲","游顥","林倩綺","王正旭","何欣純","羅明才","鄭正鈐","王育敏","葛如鈞","邱志偉","羅廷瑋","盧縣一","吳春城","黃珊珊","林俊憲","黃國昌","蘇清泉","陳昭姿","蔡其昌","張嘉郡","陳素月","邱議瑩","葉元之","邱鎮軍","蔡易餘"],"page_start":67,"meetingDate":["2024-11-20"],"gazette_id":"11310301","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11310301_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期財政、內政、經濟、教育及文化、交通、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5 期特別預算案\n（114年度）」（僅詢答）","agenda_id":"11310301_00002"}}}