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00:02:34,464\n跟今天我要講的主題有關的這些農場我們先從這個元額的這個缺額的這個狀況來看我們看看就是說像這個剛剛早上退輔會才提供的這個資料針對於這個預算元額跟現元的這個人數來看的話\n\n9\n00:02:48,778 --> 00:02:48,798\n張嬅農場缺額\n\n10\n00:03:07,530 --> 00:03:07,890\n佛樹山每年編列加班費\n\n11\n00:03:37,971 --> 00:03:39,452\n臺中總統的肯定,我代表臺中總統還有榮院對委員的指導表示感謝,我想我們榮院會繼續做服務的工作\n\n12\n00:03:57,308 --> 00:04:15,577\n有關於我們這些農場現在缺員的部分因為早年這些農場經過轉型之後我們要努力的在提升他的一些誘引讓不管農民、農眷或者是原住民都能夠或者退出役官兵都能夠來就業但是不可否認剛剛看到這些數字\n\n13\n00:04:16,557 --> 00:04:45,891\n因為他畢竟地處偏遠有交通的問題或者他跟都會區兩種生活的這種機能感覺是不一樣可能在這些方面我們招募是有一些困難當然我們也積極的現在怎麼樣去改善資產的環境然後他的待遇做一些調整然後做一些宣導然後盡量能夠鼓勵他們現在榮民榮眷呈如剛剛委員提供的數字我們大概就是四分之一榮民榮眷跟當地的原住民\n\n14\n00:04:46,871 --> 00:05:10,589\n整個農場編制人數大概有四分之一是農民、農業跟原住民我們還要繼續努力在往上提振如果農夫處長有不要補充說明謝謝委員關心事實上我們從數據裡面看出來確實如此尤其是不受燃農場我們從台北過去從宜蘭走的話大概要四個半小時才能到如果從台中過去大概也要四個小時才能到\n\n15\n00:05:11,469 --> 00:05:22,940\n而且在高山地區大概標高2600公尺左右所以說在這個狀況之下員工的留任率是低的通常我們工作人員考試以後三年他一定走\n\n16\n00:05:23,820 --> 00:05:48,239\n我們想辦法把他留下來給他升職是我是想說是不是要增加一些誘因像右邊這個圖也是我們也看到說就是退除役官兵或是榮眷的比例其實真的是過低的像武林農場福壽山還有這個清境農場你看武林好一點點兩成五是也是榮民權身份我們就是說這些員工那福壽山跟清境的話連兩成都不到\n\n17\n00:06:18,534 --> 00:06:38,988\n臺東農場來客數從109年還有1萬多人一直下降到現在113年的10月為止只有2000多人然後農場跟臺東農場的這個遊客數也就剩下這樣真的是非常的慘淡經營那就算是說清淨農場武林農場我們看這幾年來其實遊客數都是下降的\n\n18\n00:06:39,828 --> 00:06:52,597\n福壽山農場跟去年比的話你看也都只有一半的遊客數我想這個部分可能真是我們需要去檢討的這個地方那還有住宿也是一樣看彰化農場的住宿率\n\n19\n00:06:55,879 --> 00:07:17,848\n到今年為止只有6%台東農場只有11%只有京津農場跟武陵農場稍微好一點那也不過一半的住宿率而已福山農場也掉到5成以下所以整個來講我們這個農場的經營其實是要做一個檢討本席所看到的這個數字真的是慘不忍睹尤其是這個漲化農場跟這個台東農場\n\n20\n00:07:20,922 --> 00:07:43,657\n所以處長這部分那還有一點我再補充一下有時間的關係那因為今年年底跟明年初我們臺東農場下下的東河農莊跟這個壽豐會館就要委外招標我們也很擔心喔像這樣子的一個營運模式遊客數這麼少住宿率這麼低那會不會影響到這個廠商投標的這意願好一併來回答好請問主委\n\n21\n00:07:45,624 --> 00:08:01,452\n委員我本人來跟您回答這個以上的問題雖然我們彰化農場一定農場住宿部分我們已經停掉了包括彰化農場都已經停掉去年就停掉了委外經營我們已經委外經營了所以這個委外經營數據我們就沒有給他統治但高農農場經營確實不是在因為地點的關係\n\n22\n00:08:09,356 --> 00:08:30,449\n收封會館跟東河農莊我們今天委標現在東河農莊速度會比較快因為收封農場還要經過都市計畫變更以後我們才會委外招標那我們委外案子總用11個案子現在8個案都已經完成簽約了現在3個案子就是嘉義東河還有收封這個近期我們會持續做\n\n23\n00:08:31,659 --> 00:08:32,700\n臺東農場已經委外了嗎?\n\n24\n00:08:32,700 --> 00:08:40,444\n池上已經委外了整體上來講我們轄下的這五座農場其實真的有很大的檢討的空間我們看遊客數也好住數也好或是剛剛我們所提到的員工的\n\n25\n00:08:52,071 --> 00:08:52,171\n﹚羅美玲議員﹚\n\n26\n00:09:16,387 --> 00:09:36,619\n主委您有要補充的嗎我們會繼續努力我們近年已經投資了11億5000萬在整個農場的環境還有他的殯儀館他整個設置做整修投資11.5億跟委員報告這個農場他們的盈餘就是投資在安置基金輔導我們退出役官兵的就業\n\n27\n00:09:37,780 --> 00:10:01,500\n安日基金的業績來看從110年它是5900萬那112年去年成長到8300萬所以這整個的營運的績效來看它還是在成長的雖然近年颱風啊或者是這個地震相關的受到去國外旅遊的影響是有一些衝擊但我們盡量我們該努力我們都會去做謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n974\t4329\t謝謝主席 有請嚴德發主委請嚴主委\n11653\t33915\t主委好主委好主委就在上個星期一外交國防委員會到臺中榮總去做視察那這裡我要特別感謝我們陳世安院長做了一個非常詳盡的這個見報可以讓委員們可以很清楚的知道說中榮目前整個的營運那再來也特別感謝我們的傅慶雲副院長有親自做導覽\n35316\t61472\t委員們知道什麼叫做再生醫療智慧醫療跟精準醫療等等那特別還有就是有針對這個偏向遠距醫療的這個操作模式呢用讓委員有非常清楚的一個認識在這次的這一個視察其實讓與會的委員其實是收獲非常的多那我們榮總的這個醫學成就呢在這個國際上受到這個肯定的也讓我們國人的是非常的\n62773\t64155\t這一點是跟這個主委特別在提到就是上個禮拜我們去做視察的一個狀況其實我今天是要來檢討的是我們鄉下農場的這個這個營運\n78663\t95377\t好那再來呢我們我想要就一些數據跟我們主委做一些做討論像這個退府會我們轄下的農場現在個別有武林武林農場還有福壽山清淨還有這個彰化跟台東這五座的這個農場那當初這些農場的這個設置呢是為了要輔導這一個\n99961\t100561\t委員會主管收支部分\n126938\t146877\t主要選擇的這個行業還是集中在像製造業批發及零售業還有志願服務業跟這個引進工程等等所以我們可以看得到就是說這個農林與牧業的這個選擇的比例是非常小的好那我們來看看就是說\n148058\t154464\t跟今天我要講的主題有關的這些農場我們先從這個元額的這個缺額的這個狀況來看我們看看就是說像這個剛剛早上退輔會才提供的這個資料針對於這個預算元額跟現元的這個人數來看的話\n168778\t168798\t張嬅農場缺額\n187530\t187890\t佛樹山每年編列加班費\n217971\t219452\t臺中總統的肯定,我代表臺中總統還有榮院對委員的指導表示感謝,我想我們榮院會繼續做服務的工作\n237308\t255577\t有關於我們這些農場現在缺員的部分因為早年這些農場經過轉型之後我們要努力的在提升他的一些誘引讓不管農民、農眷或者是原住民都能夠或者退出役官兵都能夠來就業但是不可否認剛剛看到這些數字\n256557\t285891\t因為他畢竟地處偏遠有交通的問題或者他跟都會區兩種生活的這種機能感覺是不一樣可能在這些方面我們招募是有一些困難當然我們也積極的現在怎麼樣去改善資產的環境然後他的待遇做一些調整然後做一些宣導然後盡量能夠鼓勵他們現在榮民榮眷呈如剛剛委員提供的數字我們大概就是四分之一榮民榮眷跟當地的原住民\n286871\t310589\t整個農場編制人數大概有四分之一是農民、農業跟原住民我們還要繼續努力在往上提振如果農夫處長有不要補充說明謝謝委員關心事實上我們從數據裡面看出來確實如此尤其是不受燃農場我們從台北過去從宜蘭走的話大概要四個半小時才能到如果從台中過去大概也要四個小時才能到\n311469\t322940\t而且在高山地區大概標高2600公尺左右所以說在這個狀況之下員工的留任率是低的通常我們工作人員考試以後三年他一定走\n323820\t348239\t我們想辦法把他留下來給他升職是我是想說是不是要增加一些誘因像右邊這個圖也是我們也看到說就是退除役官兵或是榮眷的比例其實真的是過低的像武林農場福壽山還有這個清境農場你看武林好一點點兩成五是也是榮民權身份我們就是說這些員工那福壽山跟清境的話連兩成都不到\n348439\t377193\t張嬅農場\n378534\t398988\t臺東農場來客數從109年還有1萬多人一直下降到現在113年的10月為止只有2000多人然後農場跟臺東農場的這個遊客數也就剩下這樣真的是非常的慘淡經營那就算是說清淨農場武林農場我們看這幾年來其實遊客數都是下降的\n399828\t412597\t福壽山農場跟去年比的話你看也都只有一半的遊客數我想這個部分可能真是我們需要去檢討的這個地方那還有住宿也是一樣看彰化農場的住宿率\n415879\t437848\t到今年為止只有6%台東農場只有11%只有京津農場跟武陵農場稍微好一點那也不過一半的住宿率而已福山農場也掉到5成以下所以整個來講我們這個農場的經營其實是要做一個檢討本席所看到的這個數字真的是慘不忍睹尤其是這個漲化農場跟這個台東農場\n440922\t463657\t所以處長這部分那還有一點我再補充一下有時間的關係那因為今年年底跟明年初我們臺東農場下下的東河農莊跟這個壽豐會館就要委外招標我們也很擔心喔像這樣子的一個營運模式遊客數這麼少住宿率這麼低那會不會影響到這個廠商投標的這意願好一併來回答好請問主委\n465624\t481452\t委員我本人來跟您回答這個以上的問題雖然我們彰化農場一定農場住宿部分我們已經停掉了包括彰化農場都已經停掉去年就停掉了委外經營我們已經委外經營了所以這個委外經營數據我們就沒有給他統治但高農農場經營確實不是在因為地點的關係\n489356\t510449\t收封會館跟東河農莊我們今天委標現在東河農莊速度會比較快因為收封農場還要經過都市計畫變更以後我們才會委外招標那我們委外案子總用11個案子現在8個案都已經完成簽約了現在3個案子就是嘉義東河還有收封這個近期我們會持續做\n511659\t512700\t臺東農場已經委外了嗎?\n512700\t520444\t池上已經委外了整體上來講我們轄下的這五座農場其實真的有很大的檢討的空間我們看遊客數也好住數也好或是剛剛我們所提到的員工的\n532071\t532171\t﹚羅美玲議員﹚\n556387\t576619\t主委您有要補充的嗎我們會繼續努力我們近年已經投資了11億5000萬在整個農場的環境還有他的殯儀館他整個設置做整修投資11.5億跟委員報告這個農場他們的盈餘就是投資在安置基金輔導我們退出役官兵的就業\n577780\t601500\t安日基金的業績來看從110年它是5900萬那112年去年成長到8300萬所以這整個的營運的績效來看它還是在成長的雖然近年颱風啊或者是這個地震相關的受到去國外旅遊的影響是有一些衝擊但我們盡量我們該努力我們都會去做謝謝委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請嚴德發主委請嚴主委\n主委好主委好主委就在上個星期一外交國防委員會到臺中榮總去做視察那這裡我要特別感謝我們陳世安院長做了一個非常詳盡的這個見報可以讓委員們可以很清楚的知道說中榮目前整個的營運那再來也特別感謝我們的傅慶雲副院長有親自做導覽\n委員們知道什麼叫做再生醫療智慧醫療跟精準醫療等等那特別還有就是有針對這個偏向遠距醫療的這個操作模式呢用讓委員有非常清楚的一個認識在這次的這一個視察其實讓與會的委員其實是收獲非常的多那我們榮總的這個醫學成就呢在這個國際上受到這個肯定的也讓我們國人的是非常的\n這一點是跟這個主委特別在提到就是上個禮拜我們去做視察的一個狀況其實我今天是要來檢討的是我們鄉下農場的這個這個營運\n好那再來呢我們我想要就一些數據跟我們主委做一些做討論像這個退府會我們轄下的農場現在個別有武林武林農場還有福壽山清淨還有這個彰化跟台東這五座的這個農場那當初這些農場的這個設置呢是為了要輔導這一個\n委員會主管收支部分\n主要選擇的這個行業還是集中在像製造業批發及零售業還有志願服務業跟這個引進工程等等所以我們可以看得到就是說這個農林與牧業的這個選擇的比例是非常小的好那我們來看看就是說\n跟今天我要講的主題有關的這些農場我們先從這個元額的這個缺額的這個狀況來看我們看看就是說像這個剛剛早上退輔會才提供的這個資料針對於這個預算元額跟現元的這個人數來看的話\n張嬅農場缺額\n佛樹山每年編列加班費\n臺中總統的肯定,我代表臺中總統還有榮院對委員的指導表示感謝,我想我們榮院會繼續做服務的工作\n有關於我們這些農場現在缺員的部分因為早年這些農場經過轉型之後我們要努力的在提升他的一些誘引讓不管農民、農眷或者是原住民都能夠或者退出役官兵都能夠來就業但是不可否認剛剛看到這些數字\n因為他畢竟地處偏遠有交通的問題或者他跟都會區兩種生活的這種機能感覺是不一樣可能在這些方面我們招募是有一些困難當然我們也積極的現在怎麼樣去改善資產的環境然後他的待遇做一些調整然後做一些宣導然後盡量能夠鼓勵他們現在榮民榮眷呈如剛剛委員提供的數字我們大概就是四分之一榮民榮眷跟當地的原住民\n整個農場編制人數大概有四分之一是農民、農業跟原住民我們還要繼續努力在往上提振如果農夫處長有不要補充說明謝謝委員關心事實上我們從數據裡面看出來確實如此尤其是不受燃農場我們從台北過去從宜蘭走的話大概要四個半小時才能到如果從台中過去大概也要四個小時才能到\n而且在高山地區大概標高2600公尺左右所以說在這個狀況之下員工的留任率是低的通常我們工作人員考試以後三年他一定走\n我們想辦法把他留下來給他升職是我是想說是不是要增加一些誘因像右邊這個圖也是我們也看到說就是退除役官兵或是榮眷的比例其實真的是過低的像武林農場福壽山還有這個清境農場你看武林好一點點兩成五是也是榮民權身份我們就是說這些員工那福壽山跟清境的話連兩成都不到\n張嬅農場\n臺東農場來客數從109年還有1萬多人一直下降到現在113年的10月為止只有2000多人然後農場跟臺東農場的這個遊客數也就剩下這樣真的是非常的慘淡經營那就算是說清淨農場武林農場我們看這幾年來其實遊客數都是下降的\n福壽山農場跟去年比的話你看也都只有一半的遊客數我想這個部分可能真是我們需要去檢討的這個地方那還有住宿也是一樣看彰化農場的住宿率\n到今年為止只有6%台東農場只有11%只有京津農場跟武陵農場稍微好一點那也不過一半的住宿率而已福山農場也掉到5成以下所以整個來講我們這個農場的經營其實是要做一個檢討本席所看到的這個數字真的是慘不忍睹尤其是這個漲化農場跟這個台東農場\n所以處長這部分那還有一點我再補充一下有時間的關係那因為今年年底跟明年初我們臺東農場下下的東河農莊跟這個壽豐會館就要委外招標我們也很擔心喔像這樣子的一個營運模式遊客數這麼少住宿率這麼低那會不會影響到這個廠商投標的這意願好一併來回答好請問主委\n委員我本人來跟您回答這個以上的問題雖然我們彰化農場一定農場住宿部分我們已經停掉了包括彰化農場都已經停掉去年就停掉了委外經營我們已經委外經營了所以這個委外經營數據我們就沒有給他統治但高農農場經營確實不是在因為地點的關係\n收封會館跟東河農莊我們今天委標現在東河農莊速度會比較快因為收封農場還要經過都市計畫變更以後我們才會委外招標那我們委外案子總用11個案子現在8個案都已經完成簽約了現在3個案子就是嘉義東河還有收封這個近期我們會持續做\n臺東農場已經委外了嗎?\n池上已經委外了整體上來講我們轄下的這五座農場其實真的有很大的檢討的空間我們看遊客數也好住數也好或是剛剛我們所提到的員工的\n﹚羅美玲議員﹚\n主委您有要補充的嗎我們會繼續努力我們近年已經投資了11億5000萬在整個農場的環境還有他的殯儀館他整個設置做整修投資11.5億跟委員報告這個農場他們的盈餘就是投資在安置基金輔導我們退出役官兵的就業\n安日基金的業績來看從110年它是5900萬那112年去年成長到8300萬所以這整個的營運的績效來看它還是在成長的雖然近年颱風啊或者是這個地震相關的受到去國外旅遊的影響是有一些衝擊但我們盡量我們該努力我們都會去做謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.974 --> 00:04.329\n謝謝主席有請嚴德發主委請嚴主委\n\n00:11.653 --> 00:33.915\n主委好主委好主委就在上個星期一外交國防委員會到臺中榮總去做視察那這裡我要特別感謝我們陳世安院長做了一個非常詳盡的這個見報可以讓委員們可以很清楚的知道說中榮目前整個的營運那再來也特別感謝我們的傅慶雲副院長有親自做導覽\n\n00:35.316 --> 01:01.472\n委員們知道什麼叫做再生醫療智慧醫療跟精準醫療等等那特別還有就是有針對這個偏向遠距醫療的這個操作模式呢用讓委員有非常清楚的一個認識在這次的這一個視察其實讓與會的委員其實是收獲非常的多那我們榮總的這個醫學成就呢在這個國際上受到這個肯定的也讓我們國人的是非常的\n\n01:02.773 --> 01:04.155\n這一點是跟這個主委特別在提到就是上個禮拜我們去做視察的一個狀況其實我今天是要來檢討的是我們鄉下農場的這個這個營運\n\n01:18.663 --> 01:35.377\n好那再來呢我們我想要就一些數據跟我們主委做一些做討論像這個退府會我們轄下的農場現在個別有武林武林農場還有福壽山清淨還有這個彰化跟台東這五座的這個農場那當初這些農場的這個設置呢是為了要輔導這一個\n\n01:39.961 --> 01:40.561\n委員會主管收支部分\n\n02:06.938 --> 02:26.877\n主要選擇的這個行業還是集中在像製造業批發及零售業還有志願服務業跟這個引進工程等等所以我們可以看得到就是說這個農林與牧業的這個選擇的比例是非常小的好那我們來看看就是說\n\n02:28.058 --> 02:34.464\n跟今天我要講的主題有關的這些農場我們先從這個元額的這個缺額的這個狀況來看我們看看就是說像這個剛剛早上退輔會才提供的這個資料針對於這個預算元額跟現元的這個人數來看的話\n\n02:48.778 --> 02:48.798\n張嬅農場缺額\n\n03:07.530 --> 03:07.890\n佛樹山每年編列加班費\n\n03:37.971 --> 03:39.452\n臺中總統的肯定,我代表臺中總統還有榮院對委員的指導表示感謝,我想我們榮院會繼續做服務的工作\n\n03:57.308 --> 04:15.577\n有關於我們這些農場現在缺員的部分因為早年這些農場經過轉型之後我們要努力的在提升他的一些誘引讓不管農民、農眷或者是原住民都能夠或者退出役官兵都能夠來就業但是不可否認剛剛看到這些數字\n\n04:16.557 --> 04:45.891\n因為他畢竟地處偏遠有交通的問題或者他跟都會區兩種生活的這種機能感覺是不一樣可能在這些方面我們招募是有一些困難當然我們也積極的現在怎麼樣去改善資產的環境然後他的待遇做一些調整然後做一些宣導然後盡量能夠鼓勵他們現在榮民榮眷呈如剛剛委員提供的數字我們大概就是四分之一榮民榮眷跟當地的原住民\n\n04:46.871 --> 05:10.589\n整個農場編制人數大概有四分之一是農民、農業跟原住民我們還要繼續努力在往上提振如果農夫處長有不要補充說明謝謝委員關心事實上我們從數據裡面看出來確實如此尤其是不受燃農場我們從台北過去從宜蘭走的話大概要四個半小時才能到如果從台中過去大概也要四個小時才能到\n\n05:11.469 --> 05:22.940\n而且在高山地區大概標高2600公尺左右所以說在這個狀況之下員工的留任率是低的通常我們工作人員考試以後三年他一定走\n\n05:23.820 --> 05:48.239\n我們想辦法把他留下來給他升職是我是想說是不是要增加一些誘因像右邊這個圖也是我們也看到說就是退除役官兵或是榮眷的比例其實真的是過低的像武林農場福壽山還有這個清境農場你看武林好一點點兩成五是也是榮民權身份我們就是說這些員工那福壽山跟清境的話連兩成都不到\n\n06:18.534 --> 06:38.988\n臺東農場來客數從109年還有1萬多人一直下降到現在113年的10月為止只有2000多人然後農場跟臺東農場的這個遊客數也就剩下這樣真的是非常的慘淡經營那就算是說清淨農場武林農場我們看這幾年來其實遊客數都是下降的\n\n06:39.828 --> 06:52.597\n福壽山農場跟去年比的話你看也都只有一半的遊客數我想這個部分可能真是我們需要去檢討的這個地方那還有住宿也是一樣看彰化農場的住宿率\n\n06:55.879 --> 07:17.848\n到今年為止只有6%台東農場只有11%只有京津農場跟武陵農場稍微好一點那也不過一半的住宿率而已福山農場也掉到5成以下所以整個來講我們這個農場的經營其實是要做一個檢討本席所看到的這個數字真的是慘不忍睹尤其是這個漲化農場跟這個台東農場\n\n07:20.922 --> 07:43.657\n所以處長這部分那還有一點我再補充一下有時間的關係那因為今年年底跟明年初我們臺東農場下下的東河農莊跟這個壽豐會館就要委外招標我們也很擔心喔像這樣子的一個營運模式遊客數這麼少住宿率這麼低那會不會影響到這個廠商投標的這意願好一併來回答好請問主委\n\n07:45.624 --> 08:01.452\n委員我本人來跟您回答這個以上的問題雖然我們彰化農場一定農場住宿部分我們已經停掉了包括彰化農場都已經停掉去年就停掉了委外經營我們已經委外經營了所以這個委外經營數據我們就沒有給他統治但高農農場經營確實不是在因為地點的關係\n\n08:09.356 --> 08:30.449\n收封會館跟東河農莊我們今天委標現在東河農莊速度會比較快因為收封農場還要經過都市計畫變更以後我們才會委外招標那我們委外案子總用11個案子現在8個案都已經完成簽約了現在3個案子就是嘉義東河還有收封這個近期我們會持續做\n\n08:31.659 --> 08:32.700\n臺東農場已經委外了嗎?\n\n08:32.700 --> 08:40.444\n池上已經委外了整體上來講我們轄下的這五座農場其實真的有很大的檢討的空間我們看遊客數也好住數也好或是剛剛我們所提到的員工的\n\n08:52.071 --> 08:52.171\n﹚羅美玲議員﹚\n\n09:16.387 --> 09:36.619\n主委您有要補充的嗎我們會繼續努力我們近年已經投資了11億5000萬在整個農場的環境還有他的殯儀館他整個設置做整修投資11.5億跟委員報告這個農場他們的盈餘就是投資在安置基金輔導我們退出役官兵的就業\n\n09:37.780 --> 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