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00:01:50,124\n林月琴議員\n\n7\n00:02:05,467 --> 00:02:05,887\n李慧琼\n\n8\n00:02:31,278 --> 00:02:39,271\n今天我們預防針只要打到兩歲三個月然後最後就是告訴我們的社政告訴社政之後呢那\n\n9\n00:02:40,385 --> 00:03:01,486\n社政去訪說小孩子被其他情人帶走那有沒有去查證然後再來就是去通知警政部長如果你對於自己鄉下的衛政都管不了然後你要去通知警政警政如果也不去查訪然後最後才知道說孩子已經因為已經要念書了孩子走了\n\n10\n00:03:02,006 --> 00:03:26,496\n多年前就走了那他還領育了今天這不是覺得很荒謬嗎所以我想問一下你的網絡到底有串接嗎你的網絡的連結到底衛福部有沒有幫社工看到你要怎麼去做不要讓我們的各部會政府部門不能說講好聽叫各失其職講難聽叫各自為政最後你能處理內政嗎\n\n11\n00:03:27,856 --> 00:03:56,202\n到底網絡真的有連結嗎?還是真的是社政的社安網?好,謝謝委員那我兩個部分,第一個部分就是那個其實衛政這個部分,我們全國的其實醫療院所過去幾年來在像我們蘇昭偉以前當過前院會理事長也很重視這一塊,所以我們其實跟醫療院所都有跟社會安全網在結合在各個\n\n12\n00:03:57,442 --> 00:04:06,689\n議事公會在推廣給所有的醫療院所在做希望真的有牽扯到不是只有衛生有教育警政勞政都有關聯性\n\n13\n00:04:12,313 --> 00:04:36,295\n是跟委員報告謝謝委員關心基本上在今天談的這個議題都已經在入法而市場以後都有會議因為過去我在民間就常碰到類似這種狀況然後進來還是碰到這種狀況表示你的網絡線還是沒辦法你一個保護師可以去跟教育溝通嗎甚至有些現在社工人員都撥補到教育體系或是警政體系那有用嗎\n\n14\n00:04:37,136 --> 00:04:40,420\n在中央在行政院在衛福部在中央以及到縣市都有網絡的不同層次的會議事實上已經達到這個目標\n\n15\n00:04:53,114 --> 00:05:02,136\n市長,如果這些解決了,不會今年度又發生同樣的問題,然後你最後就是去跟媽媽去追那個她預的那個育兒津貼而已嗎?還是早就走了?市長,這部分常常都是透過個案來檢驗。我們的預算編了,可是要真的能夠防堵\n\n16\n00:05:22,102 --> 00:05:23,142\n施行回溯應該擴大\n\n17\n00:05:38,109 --> 00:05:58,367\n全面執行為什麼因為過去我們的法定沒有錯0到6歲可是我覺得政府如果在法沒有改當中為了保護孩子不應該去考慮嗎你的1到14歲事故傷害事實上是死亡的第一名欸始終都沒有去解決一直要去處理額虐我不是不贊成可是最大死因是在事故傷害這一塊\n\n18\n00:05:59,668 --> 00:06:22,041\n所以在那3月的時候我就質詢那那時候陳靜仁院長也有承諾答應是說至少兩個東西要做這也是符合我們2022年國際委員來省CRC的時候他提到交通事故還有呢自殺交通的確我們的交通部跟國土署那邊編了4年400億要去改善交通環境自殺也編了1.6億要來做\n\n19\n00:06:25,803 --> 00:06:51,248\n指引回溯要了解原因我們才能夠預防我們現在只住到6歲可是今天交通是13到18死傷最高自殺是15到18始終沒有辦法切中要害知道那個點在哪邊所以那時候是期待你們要來做為什麼因為做好死亡回過的話大概可以下降16分之1的傷亡的狀態所以想問5年過去了\n\n20\n00:06:53,368 --> 00:07:17,277\n我們就是不斷的讓自殺一直維持在第二名那交通維持在第一名那想問一下因為英國的做法他本來是3595人死亡下降到2724人那可以透過這樣的回溯呢讓可修正的問題呢事實上成長到37%所以想問一下你們到底要怎麼來執行\n\n21\n00:07:19,100 --> 00:07:45,657\n謝謝委員的關心其實委員上次執行隨行以後我們一直在演繹要演繹到什麼時候因為為什麼上次就說你們編的經費太少了根本都沒有辦法達到結果到現在我看114年的預算還是依然入庫這個部分其實我們都有委託專人在分析部長先講好大概什麼時候為什麼因為我3月執行的時候那時候就已經有承諾可是我在看114年預算還是這樣\n\n22\n00:07:48,315 --> 00:08:08,184\n委員這兩個部份阿兒童死因回顧的部份目前6歲以下要不要做到我們的至少這兩個交通跟自殺已經是最嚴重自殺心理健康是已經委託臺大團隊在做研究分析如果等到你們研究分析不知道又有多少孩子傷亡因為我們今年生的\n\n23\n00:08:09,810 --> 00:08:10,431\n交通事故也是一樣嗎?\n\n24\n00:08:34,339 --> 00:08:48,470\n我想這個死亡死因的分析是非常重要的,任何一個年齡層都需要就好像我們在醫院病人如果有狀況的話我們都會做很分析來減少來避免這樣的悲劇\n\n25\n00:08:50,092 --> 00:09:03,711\n你現在會說明年會執行嗎尤其是我剛剛講的那兩個議題也符合我們的國際委員審查的時候的要求否則你2026年怎麼去交第二第三次的國家報告\n\n26\n00:09:04,608 --> 00:09:22,956\n據我了解我們國內大概二三十年前一直發展青少年醫學在這個部分他們也做了很多的努力我想我們衛福部把相關的資訊收集我相信所有的相關部門都一直在努力我沒有說不努力可是要切中要害好嗎\n\n27\n00:09:24,036 --> 00:09:24,176\n請委員放心\n\n28\n00:09:53,069 --> 00:10:15,762\n我希望不是分析我覺得確實去執行最後就是10月9號我就執行過的特殊需求孩子不得已要到安置一個是緊急安置因為家暴的關係一個事實上是一般性安置可是你特殊需求的孩子的安置竟然安置在護理之家安置在不當的場所10月9號我就執行過期待你們能夠去執行\n\n29\n00:10:18,664 --> 00:10:45,967\n因為當時我就主張你一定要提出短中長期的計畫來對於特殊需求因為在民間那時候我就質疑這一塊那時候才144位就一進來之後你們反而更多變成174位那到現在還是沒有去改善結果你們的回文是這樣子所以我想問一下回文你的短中長期要這樣做沒有任何期程也沒有任何相關計畫而且明年也沒有看到任何編列預算的經費要去推展那我不知道\n\n30\n00:10:46,667 --> 00:11:10,468\n到底這10月30號回我的文到底回的是什麼?報告委員我們短期是指今年中期是指大概明年上半年對那你明年也沒編列經費預算的話你怎麼讓特殊需求的孩子回到兒少安置機構而不是在護理之家在老人的長照的機構裡面在現有的預算裡面我們會把這些事情做好\n\n31\n00:11:11,563 --> 00:11:11,943\n謝謝林委員謝謝部長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n49\t1330\t主席麻煩我們的邱部長委員長\n20215\t42144\t部長早今天要跟部長討論三個我很關心的議題第一個就是我們現在預算最多的也是最重要的社安網的部分明年度是社安網第二期計畫的最後一年那你的預算也編列了大約66億9千萬可是近期發生的重大惡劣事件裡邊想問部會間我們資源網絡的部件狀況是什麼社安網真的連起來了嗎叫做網絡嗎\n49927\t73246\t還是仍然充滿了破洞?這其實是我們一直在努力的目標也感謝委員一直關心這個部分網路的串聯的確是社安網一個很重要的關鍵那這個部分其實我們衛福部社家屬這個部分可以說是也是很多的策略在進行\n74518\t90368\t真的有在徹底在做進行嗎因為從近年重大的額虐事件當中跟監察院的報告都指出跨網絡的合作機制仍然是沒有很順暢的讓色安網一再落入的色證的色安網\n91288\t109043\t社政的社安網的困境所以什麼叫社政社安網我就引述專家學者說的大家看到社安網還是會覺得是歸屬於社政變成社政孤立無援所以我們社工做得非常辛苦還沒有網絡的資源最後網絡就是只剩下通報的功能現在整體的網絡功能被惡化\n109884\t110124\t林月琴議員\n125467\t125887\t李慧琼\n151278\t159271\t今天我們預防針只要打到兩歲三個月然後最後就是告訴我們的社政告訴社政之後呢那\n160385\t181486\t社政去訪說小孩子被其他情人帶走那有沒有去查證然後再來就是去通知警政部長如果你對於自己鄉下的衛政都管不了然後你要去通知警政警政如果也不去查訪然後最後才知道說孩子已經因為已經要念書了孩子走了\n182006\t206496\t多年前就走了那他還領育了今天這不是覺得很荒謬嗎所以我想問一下你的網絡到底有串接嗎你的網絡的連結到底衛福部有沒有幫社工看到你要怎麼去做不要讓我們的各部會政府部門不能說講好聽叫各失其職講難聽叫各自為政最後你能處理內政嗎\n207856\t236202\t到底網絡真的有連結嗎?還是真的是社政的社安網?好,謝謝委員那我兩個部分,第一個部分就是那個其實衛政這個部分,我們全國的其實醫療院所過去幾年來在像我們蘇昭偉以前當過前院會理事長也很重視這一塊,所以我們其實跟醫療院所都有跟社會安全網在結合在各個\n237442\t246689\t議事公會在推廣給所有的醫療院所在做希望真的有牽扯到不是只有衛生有教育警政勞政都有關聯性\n252313\t276295\t是跟委員報告謝謝委員關心基本上在今天談的這個議題都已經在入法而市場以後都有會議因為過去我在民間就常碰到類似這種狀況然後進來還是碰到這種狀況表示你的網絡線還是沒辦法你一個保護師可以去跟教育溝通嗎甚至有些現在社工人員都撥補到教育體系或是警政體系那有用嗎\n277136\t280420\t在中央在行政院在衛福部在中央以及到縣市都有網絡的不同層次的會議事實上已經達到這個目標\n293114\t302136\t市長,如果這些解決了,不會今年度又發生同樣的問題,然後你最後就是去跟媽媽去追那個她預的那個育兒津貼而已嗎?還是早就走了?市長,這部分常常都是透過個案來檢驗。我們的預算編了,可是要真的能夠防堵\n322102\t323142\t施行回溯應該擴大\n338109\t358367\t全面執行為什麼因為過去我們的法定沒有錯0到6歲可是我覺得政府如果在法沒有改當中為了保護孩子不應該去考慮嗎你的1到14歲事故傷害事實上是死亡的第一名欸始終都沒有去解決一直要去處理額虐我不是不贊成可是最大死因是在事故傷害這一塊\n359668\t382041\t所以在那3月的時候我就質詢那那時候陳靜仁院長也有承諾答應是說至少兩個東西要做這也是符合我們2022年國際委員來省CRC的時候他提到交通事故還有呢自殺交通的確我們的交通部跟國土署那邊編了4年400億要去改善交通環境自殺也編了1.6億要來做\n385803\t411248\t指引回溯要了解原因我們才能夠預防我們現在只住到6歲可是今天交通是13到18死傷最高自殺是15到18始終沒有辦法切中要害知道那個點在哪邊所以那時候是期待你們要來做為什麼因為做好死亡回過的話大概可以下降1 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兒童死因回顧的部份目前6歲以下要不要做到我們的至少這兩個交通跟自殺已經是最嚴重自殺心理健康是已經委託臺大團隊在做研究分析如果等到你們研究分析不知道又有多少孩子傷亡因為我們今年生的\n489810\t490431\t交通事故也是一樣嗎?\n514339\t528470\t我想這個死亡死因的分析是非常重要的,任何一個年齡層都需要就好像我們在醫院病人如果有狀況的話我們都會做很分析來減少來避免這樣的悲劇\n530092\t543711\t你現在會說明年會執行嗎尤其是我剛剛講的那兩個議題也符合我們的國際委員審查的時候的要求否則你2026年怎麼去交第二第三次的國家報告\n544608\t562956\t據我了解我們國內大概二三十年前一直發展青少年醫學在這個部分他們也做了很多的努力我想我們衛福部把相關的資訊收集我相信所有的相關部門都一直在努力我沒有說不努力可是要切中要害好嗎\n564036\t564176\t請委員放心\n593069\t615762\t我希望不是分析我覺得確實去執行最後就是10月9號我就執行過的特殊需求孩子不得已要到安置一個是緊急安置因為家暴的關係一個事實上是一般性安置可是你特殊需求的孩子的安置竟然安置在護理之家安置在不當的場所10月9號我就執行過期待你們能夠去執行\n618664\t645967\t因為當時我就主張你一定要提出短中長期的計畫來對於特殊需求因為在民間那時候我就質疑這一塊那時候才144位就一進來之後你們反而更多變成174位那到現在還是沒有去改善結果你們的回文是這樣子所以我想問一下回文你的短中長期要這樣做沒有任何期程也沒有任何相關計畫而且明年也沒有看到任何編列預算的經費要去推展那我不知道\n646667\t670468\t到底這10月30號回我的文到底回的是什麼?報告委員我們短期是指今年中期是指大概明年上半年對那你明年也沒編列經費預算的話你怎麼讓特殊需求的孩子回到兒少安置機構而不是在護理之家在老人的長照的機構裡面在現有的預算裡面我們會把這些事情做好\n671563\t671943\t謝謝林委員 謝謝部長\n","txt":"主席麻煩我們的邱部長委員長\n部長早今天要跟部長討論三個我很關心的議題第一個就是我們現在預算最多的也是最重要的社安網的部分明年度是社安網第二期計畫的最後一年那你的預算也編列了大約66億9千萬可是近期發生的重大惡劣事件裡邊想問部會間我們資源網絡的部件狀況是什麼社安網真的連起來了嗎叫做網絡嗎\n還是仍然充滿了破洞?這其實是我們一直在努力的目標也感謝委員一直關心這個部分網路的串聯的確是社安網一個很重要的關鍵那這個部分其實我們衛福部社家屬這個部分可以說是也是很多的策略在進行\n真的有在徹底在做進行嗎因為從近年重大的額虐事件當中跟監察院的報告都指出跨網絡的合作機制仍然是沒有很順暢的讓色安網一再落入的色證的色安網\n社政的社安網的困境所以什麼叫社政社安網我就引述專家學者說的大家看到社安網還是會覺得是歸屬於社政變成社政孤立無援所以我們社工做得非常辛苦還沒有網絡的資源最後網絡就是只剩下通報的功能現在整體的網絡功能被惡化\n林月琴議員\n李慧琼\n今天我們預防針只要打到兩歲三個月然後最後就是告訴我們的社政告訴社政之後呢那\n社政去訪說小孩子被其他情人帶走那有沒有去查證然後再來就是去通知警政部長如果你對於自己鄉下的衛政都管不了然後你要去通知警政警政如果也不去查訪然後最後才知道說孩子已經因為已經要念書了孩子走了\n多年前就走了那他還領育了今天這不是覺得很荒謬嗎所以我想問一下你的網絡到底有串接嗎你的網絡的連結到底衛福部有沒有幫社工看到你要怎麼去做不要讓我們的各部會政府部門不能說講好聽叫各失其職講難聽叫各自為政最後你能處理內政嗎\n到底網絡真的有連結嗎?還是真的是社政的社安網?好,謝謝委員那我兩個部分,第一個部分就是那個其實衛政這個部分,我們全國的其實醫療院所過去幾年來在像我們蘇昭偉以前當過前院會理事長也很重視這一塊,所以我們其實跟醫療院所都有跟社會安全網在結合在各個\n議事公會在推廣給所有的醫療院所在做希望真的有牽扯到不是只有衛生有教育警政勞政都有關聯性\n是跟委員報告謝謝委員關心基本上在今天談的這個議題都已經在入法而市場以後都有會議因為過去我在民間就常碰到類似這種狀況然後進來還是碰到這種狀況表示你的網絡線還是沒辦法你一個保護師可以去跟教育溝通嗎甚至有些現在社工人員都撥補到教育體系或是警政體系那有用嗎\n在中央在行政院在衛福部在中央以及到縣市都有網絡的不同層次的會議事實上已經達到這個目標\n市長,如果這些解決了,不會今年度又發生同樣的問題,然後你最後就是去跟媽媽去追那個她預的那個育兒津貼而已嗎?還是早就走了?市長,這部分常常都是透過個案來檢驗。我們的預算編了,可是要真的能夠防堵\n施行回溯應該擴大\n全面執行為什麼因為過去我們的法定沒有錯0到6歲可是我覺得政府如果在法沒有改當中為了保護孩子不應該去考慮嗎你的1到14歲事故傷害事實上是死亡的第一名欸始終都沒有去解決一直要去處理額虐我不是不贊成可是最大死因是在事故傷害這一塊\n所以在那3月的時候我就質詢那那時候陳靜仁院長也有承諾答應是說至少兩個東西要做這也是符合我們2022年國際委員來省CRC的時候他提到交通事故還有呢自殺交通的確我們的交通部跟國土署那邊編了4年400億要去改善交通環境自殺也編了1.6億要來做\n指引回溯要了解原因我們才能夠預防我們現在只住到6歲可是今天交通是13到18死傷最高自殺是15到18始終沒有辦法切中要害知道那個點在哪邊所以那時候是期待你們要來做為什麼因為做好死亡回過的話大概可以下降1 6分之1的傷亡的狀態所以想問5年過去了\n我們就是不斷的讓自殺一直維持在第二名那交通維持在第一名那想問一下因為英國的做法他本來是3595人死亡下降到2724人那可以透過這樣的回溯呢讓可修正的問題呢事實上成長到37%所以想問一下你們到底要怎麼來執行\n謝謝委員的關心其實委員上次執行隨行以後我們一直在演繹要演繹到什麼時候因為為什麼上次就說你們編的經費太少了根本都沒有辦法達到結果到現在我看114年的預算還是依然入庫這個部分其實我們都有委託專人在分析部長先講好大概什麼時候為什麼因為我3月執行的時候那時候就已經有承諾可是我在看114年預算還是這樣\n委員這兩個部份阿 兒童死因回顧的部份目前6歲以下要不要做到我們的至少這兩個交通跟自殺已經是最嚴重自殺心理健康是已經委託臺大團隊在做研究分析如果等到你們研究分析不知道又有多少孩子傷亡因為我們今年生的\n交通事故也是一樣嗎?\n我想這個死亡死因的分析是非常重要的,任何一個年齡層都需要就好像我們在醫院病人如果有狀況的話我們都會做很分析來減少來避免這樣的悲劇\n你現在會說明年會執行嗎尤其是我剛剛講的那兩個議題也符合我們的國際委員審查的時候的要求否則你2026年怎麼去交第二第三次的國家報告\n據我了解我們國內大概二三十年前一直發展青少年醫學在這個部分他們也做了很多的努力我想我們衛福部把相關的資訊收集我相信所有的相關部門都一直在努力我沒有說不努力可是要切中要害好嗎\n請委員放心\n我希望不是分析我覺得確實去執行最後就是10月9號我就執行過的特殊需求孩子不得已要到安置一個是緊急安置因為家暴的關係一個事實上是一般性安置可是你特殊需求的孩子的安置竟然安置在護理之家安置在不當的場所10月9號我就執行過期待你們能夠去執行\n因為當時我就主張你一定要提出短中長期的計畫來對於特殊需求因為在民間那時候我就質疑這一塊那時候才144位就一進來之後你們反而更多變成174位那到現在還是沒有去改善結果你們的回文是這樣子所以我想問一下回文你的短中長期要這樣做沒有任何期程也沒有任何相關計畫而且明年也沒有看到任何編列預算的經費要去推展那我不知道\n到底這10月30號回我的文到底回的是什麼?報告委員我們短期是指今年中期是指大概明年上半年對那你明年也沒編列經費預算的話你怎麼讓特殊需求的孩子回到兒少安置機構而不是在護理之家在老人的長照的機構裡面在現有的預算裡面我們會把這些事情做好\n謝謝林委員 謝謝部長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.049 --> 00:01.330\n主席麻煩我們的邱部長委員長\n\n00:20.215 --> 00:42.144\n部長早今天要跟部長討論三個我很關心的議題第一個就是我們現在預算最多的也是最重要的社安網的部分明年度是社安網第二期計畫的最後一年那你的預算也編列了大約66億9千萬可是近期發生的重大惡劣事件裡邊想問部會間我們資源網絡的部件狀況是什麼社安網真的連起來了嗎叫做網絡嗎\n\n00:49.927 --> 01:13.246\n還是仍然充滿了破洞?這其實是我們一直在努力的目標也感謝委員一直關心這個部分網路的串聯的確是社安網一個很重要的關鍵那這個部分其實我們衛福部社家屬這個部分可以說是也是很多的策略在進行\n\n01:14.518 --> 01:30.368\n真的有在徹底在做進行嗎因為從近年重大的額虐事件當中跟監察院的報告都指出跨網絡的合作機制仍然是沒有很順暢的讓色安網一再落入的色證的色安網\n\n01:31.288 --> 01:49.043\n社政的社安網的困境所以什麼叫社政社安網我就引述專家學者說的大家看到社安網還是會覺得是歸屬於社政變成社政孤立無援所以我們社工做得非常辛苦還沒有網絡的資源最後網絡就是只剩下通報的功能現在整體的網絡功能被惡化\n\n01:49.884 --> 01:50.124\n林月琴議員\n\n02:05.467 --> 02:05.887\n李慧琼\n\n02:31.278 --> 02:39.271\n今天我們預防針只要打到兩歲三個月然後最後就是告訴我們的社政告訴社政之後呢那\n\n02:40.385 --> 03:01.486\n社政去訪說小孩子被其他情人帶走那有沒有去查證然後再來就是去通知警政部長如果你對於自己鄉下的衛政都管不了然後你要去通知警政警政如果也不去查訪然後最後才知道說孩子已經因為已經要念書了孩子走了\n\n03:02.006 --> 03:26.496\n多年前就走了那他還領育了今天這不是覺得很荒謬嗎所以我想問一下你的網絡到底有串接嗎你的網絡的連結到底衛福部有沒有幫社工看到你要怎麼去做不要讓我們的各部會政府部門不能說講好聽叫各失其職講難聽叫各自為政最後你能處理內政嗎\n\n03:27.856 --> 03:56.202\n到底網絡真的有連結嗎?還是真的是社政的社安網?好,謝謝委員那我兩個部分,第一個部分就是那個其實衛政這個部分,我們全國的其實醫療院所過去幾年來在像我們蘇昭偉以前當過前院會理事長也很重視這一塊,所以我們其實跟醫療院所都有跟社會安全網在結合在各個\n\n03:57.442 --> 04:06.689\n議事公會在推廣給所有的醫療院所在做希望真的有牽扯到不是只有衛生有教育警政勞政都有關聯性\n\n04:12.313 --> 04:36.295\n是跟委員報告謝謝委員關心基本上在今天談的這個議題都已經在入法而市場以後都有會議因為過去我在民間就常碰到類似這種狀況然後進來還是碰到這種狀況表示你的網絡線還是沒辦法你一個保護師可以去跟教育溝通嗎甚至有些現在社工人員都撥補到教育體系或是警政體系那有用嗎\n\n04:37.136 --> 04:40.420\n在中央在行政院在衛福部在中央以及到縣市都有網絡的不同層次的會議事實上已經達到這個目標\n\n04:53.114 --> 05:02.136\n市長,如果這些解決了,不會今年度又發生同樣的問題,然後你最後就是去跟媽媽去追那個她預的那個育兒津貼而已嗎?還是早就走了?市長,這部分常常都是透過個案來檢驗。我們的預算編了,可是要真的能夠防堵\n\n05:22.102 --> 05:23.142\n施行回溯應該擴大\n\n05:38.109 --> 05:58.367\n全面執行為什麼因為過去我們的法定沒有錯0到6歲可是我覺得政府如果在法沒有改當中為了保護孩子不應該去考慮嗎你的1到14歲事故傷害事實上是死亡的第一名欸始終都沒有去解決一直要去處理額虐我不是不贊成可是最大死因是在事故傷害這一塊\n\n05:59.668 --> 06:22.041\n所以在那3月的時候我就質詢那那時候陳靜仁院長也有承諾答應是說至少兩個東西要做這也是符合我們2022年國際委員來省CRC的時候他提到交通事故還有呢自殺交通的確我們的交通部跟國土署那邊編了4年400億要去改善交通環境自殺也編了1.6億要來做\n\n06:25.803 --> 06:51.248\n指引回溯要了解原因我們才能夠預防我們現在只住到6歲可是今天交通是13到18死傷最高自殺是15到18始終沒有辦法切中要害知道那個點在哪邊所以那時候是期待你們要來做為什麼因為做好死亡回過的話大概可以下降16分之1的傷亡的狀態所以想問5年過去了\n\n06:53.368 --> 07:17.277\n我們就是不斷的讓自殺一直維持在第二名那交通維持在第一名那想問一下因為英國的做法他本來是3595人死亡下降到2724人那可以透過這樣的回溯呢讓可修正的問題呢事實上成長到37%所以想問一下你們到底要怎麼來執行\n\n07:19.100 --> 07:45.657\n謝謝委員的關心其實委員上次執行隨行以後我們一直在演繹要演繹到什麼時候因為為什麼上次就說你們編的經費太少了根本都沒有辦法達到結果到現在我看114年的預算還是依然入庫這個部分其實我們都有委託專人在分析部長先講好大概什麼時候為什麼因為我3月執行的時候那時候就已經有承諾可是我在看114年預算還是這樣\n\n07:48.315 --> 08:08.184\n委員這兩個部份阿兒童死因回顧的部份目前6歲以下要不要做到我們的至少這兩個交通跟自殺已經是最嚴重自殺心理健康是已經委託臺大團隊在做研究分析如果等到你們研究分析不知道又有多少孩子傷亡因為我們今年生的\n\n08:09.810 --> 08:10.431\n交通事故也是一樣嗎?\n\n08:34.339 --> 08:48.470\n我想這個死亡死因的分析是非常重要的,任何一個年齡層都需要就好像我們在醫院病人如果有狀況的話我們都會做很分析來減少來避免這樣的悲劇\n\n08:50.092 --> 09:03.711\n你現在會說明年會執行嗎尤其是我剛剛講的那兩個議題也符合我們的國際委員審查的時候的要求否則你2026年怎麼去交第二第三次的國家報告\n\n09:04.608 --> 09:22.956\n據我了解我們國內大概二三十年前一直發展青少年醫學在這個部分他們也做了很多的努力我想我們衛福部把相關的資訊收集我相信所有的相關部門都一直在努力我沒有說不努力可是要切中要害好嗎\n\n09:24.036 --> 09:24.176\n請委員放心\n\n09:53.069 --> 10:15.762\n我希望不是分析我覺得確實去執行最後就是10月9號我就執行過的特殊需求孩子不得已要到安置一個是緊急安置因為家暴的關係一個事實上是一般性安置可是你特殊需求的孩子的安置竟然安置在護理之家安置在不當的場所10月9號我就執行過期待你們能夠去執行\n\n10:18.664 --> 10:45.967\n因為當時我就主張你一定要提出短中長期的計畫來對於特殊需求因為在民間那時候我就質疑這一塊那時候才144位就一進來之後你們反而更多變成174位那到現在還是沒有去改善結果你們的回文是這樣子所以我想問一下回文你的短中長期要這樣做沒有任何期程也沒有任何相關計畫而且明年也沒有看到任何編列預算的經費要去推展那我不知道\n\n10:46.667 --> 11:10.468\n到底這10月30號回我的文到底回的是什麼?報告委員我們短期是指今年中期是指大概明年上半年對那你明年也沒編列經費預算的話你怎麼讓特殊需求的孩子回到兒少安置機構而不是在護理之家在老人的長照的機構裡面在現有的預算裡面我們會把這些事情做好\n\n11:11.563 --> 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