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00:02:22,316\n您認為川普總統這樣的一個新的政策對台灣的整體經濟發展是利大於弊?對,因為我們獲得的商機會更多因為中國有60%幾乎都在移動中移動中當然這次我們在秘魯來講秘魯有一個港但是川普就講了那個港也算中國出口所以就變成是很明顯他的圍堵的政策是非常強烈的\n\n8\n00:02:43,027 --> 00:03:03,176\n對我們反而是一些有很大的轉彈機會如果您認為在這樣的一個經貿變動當中對台灣是利大於弊台灣如何抓住這樣的一個利多的機會政府有沒有什麼其他的作為積極的作為來協助這一些企業升級或者是協助企業能夠抓住這樣的一個轉彈效應的這樣的一個\n\n9\n00:03:05,728 --> 00:03:21,821\n立即這個是我們在整個吸引台資回流的部分我們會找經濟部我們會跟經濟部會有個會議在看怎麼樣加強力道吸引回流第二個是協助台商移轉到海外的部分我們也會比較強化去支持這個動作\n\n10\n00:03:23,002 --> 00:03:50,772\n這個東西開始做了嗎?協助台商移轉因為其實我覺得商人喔台商應該是秀到這個風味的敏感度應該是會遠高過於政府啦所以他們應該也會開始在做一些規劃那我想政府在做後勤支援在做後面的backup的這個角色扮演上面我不曉得國發會在這個地方扮演的角色跟力道會到什麼樣的程度?\n\n11\n00:03:51,312 --> 00:04:13,958\n我們會持續強化我們在台商回流的這個資金吸引的力道以外原有的計畫以外我們其實也跟一些海外的國家我們有在商討一些合作的方案因為我們台灣現在人力密集的部分我們是比較建議他們往到一些我們友邦去所以我們有在談一些合作方案\n\n12\n00:04:14,838 --> 00:04:41,945\n主委那這個跟你那天談到的比如說你們現在國發基金的4個大的百億投資方案裡頭包括文化創意、智慧健康、AI新創、綠色成長那我記得您在6月的時候也提到了所謂的傳產再造基金也希望把它納入也希望在年底的時候成立那這個可能跟未來我們整體的這一些產業的發展其實是息息相關\n\n13\n00:04:42,805 --> 00:04:59,500\n您講說年底要成立,我不知道你們現在的進度到哪裡?因為你們現在新公布的這個所謂的四大百億投資方案並沒有包括這個傳產再造基金對,傳產再造基金因為他們民間也要募資,他們要募資18億現在已經募資完成,那已經遞件申請了,那我們會排審核\n\n14\n00:05:05,457 --> 00:05:23,722\n這個你只是審核而已嗎?你有沒有再去政府能夠再多加一點力道對於我們的這些傳產甚至整個基金的運用跟對於產業的輔助能夠再多加一點力道還是說你們只是做一些paperwork的審核工作而已?我們基本上我們會參與這個基金的投資因為他們這個由基金來做這個協助產業的轉型\n\n15\n00:05:31,044 --> 00:05:52,155\n因為他變成會投資進去然後那民間壓的比我們還多嘛所以這個會會有蠻大的效果尤其是都是比較知名的人士那另外的部分我們也在強化一些稅賦的優惠我們現在正在談所以我們應該會著手進行企業企業併購法開始會做修法會做一些時事上的鼓勵\n\n16\n00:05:53,212 --> 00:06:19,238\n這個部分是明年才開始做嗎?你所謂的企業併購法的修法這個是行政院來提案是你開始做嗎?這個已經跟財政部協調過了在行政院協調過一次那本來是從產算條例裡面改那我們現在是回來改企業併購法所以我們會在最近就會已經會開完了我們最近開始會著手進行那另外一個部分這四大擺益主要是主要是要為了刺激國內未來的產業需求\n\n17\n00:06:22,289 --> 00:06:43,264\n主委您剛剛講到的這些部分其實是跟國家整體的經濟發展包括我們的產業未來的走向跟整個國際的經貿局勢其實是息息相關但是我想要更進一步請教您您剛剛講的這些策略是在國發會的內部裡頭去討論出來的還是在你們所謂的行政院經濟發展委員會去討論出來的\n\n18\n00:06:49,848 --> 00:06:52,570\n行政院國家發展基金、離島建設基金、花東地區永續發展行政院國家發展基金、離島建設基金、花東地區永續發展\n\n19\n00:07:30,390 --> 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up的這個角色扮演上面我不曉得國發會在這個地方扮演的角色跟力道會到什麼樣的程度?\n231312\t253958\t我們會持續強化我們在台商回流的這個資金吸引的力道以外原有的計畫以外我們其實也跟一些海外的國家我們有在商討一些合作的方案因為我們台灣現在人力密集的部分我們是比較建議他們往到一些我們友邦去所以我們有在談一些合作方案\n254838\t281945\t主委那這個跟你那天談到的比如說你們現在國發基金的4個大的百億投資方案裡頭包括文化創意、智慧健康、AI新創、綠色成長那我記得您在6月的時候也提到了所謂的傳產再造基金也希望把它納入也希望在年底的時候成立那這個可能跟未來我們整體的這一些產業的發展其實是息息相關\n282805\t299500\t您講說年底要成立,我不知道你們現在的進度到哪裡?因為你們現在新公布的這個所謂的四大百億投資方案並沒有包括這個傳產再造基金對,傳產再造基金因為他們民間也要募資,他們要募資18億現在已經募資完成,那已經遞件申請了,那我們會排審核\n305457\t323722\t這個你只是審核而已嗎?你有沒有再去政府能夠再多加一點力道對於我們的這些傳產甚至整個基金的運用跟對於產業的輔助能夠再多加一點力道還是說你們只是做一些paperwork的審核工作而已?我們基本上我們會參與這個基金的投資因為他們這個由基金來做這個協助產業的轉型\n331044\t352155\t因為他變成會投資進去然後那民間壓的比我們還多嘛所以這個會會有蠻大的效果尤其是都是比較知名的人士那另外的部分我們也在強化一些稅賦的優惠我們現在正在談所以我們應該會著手進行企業企業併購法開始會做修法會做一些時事上的鼓勵\n353212\t379238\t這個部分是明年才開始做嗎?你所謂的企業併購法的修法這個是行政院來提案是你開始做嗎?這個已經跟財政部協調過了在行政院協調過一次那本來是從產算條例裡面改那我們現在是回來改企業併購法所以我們會在最近就會已經會開完了我們最近開始會著手進行那另外一個部分這四大擺益主要是主要是要為了刺激國內未來的產業需求\n382289\t403264\t主委您剛剛講到的這些部分其實是跟國家整體的經濟發展包括我們的產業未來的走向跟整個國際的經貿局勢其實是息息相關但是我想要更進一步請教您您剛剛講的這些策略是在國發會的內部裡頭去討論出來的還是在你們所謂的行政院經濟發展委員會去討論出來的\n409848\t412570\t行政院國家發展基金、離島建設基金、花東地區永續發展行政院國家發展基金、離島建設基金、花東地區永續發展\n427637\t450230\t議員議員議員議員\n450390\t466395\t你如果是院長當主任委員當然看起來是院長比較大嘛這個院長的主導性會比較強嘛那是不是變相的也會弱化了在國發會的這個功能上面是不是相對的就會被弱化了那未來的國發會是不是就會被這個所謂的經發會來取代\n470997\t484569\t經費相對是強化國安會的功能那裡面大部分的工作其實還是來自國安會的規劃那另外是透過顧問給我們一些建議然後我們在院會來通過的話執行的力道會比以往更強\n485916\t486016\t議員會主席\n502008\t524761\t幾乎是一模一樣那你們幾個政委當然也都是共同在參與這樣的一個整個國家發展整個國家經濟發展的事務所以我對於整個經發會我是沒有意見但是我認為如果他是跌床架屋又多成立了一個委員會那其實實際工作還是跟國發會在做的現況是一模一樣的話那會不會有一點\n525814\t526395\t秋衣委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席我請一下國發會新國會留主委\n主委早主委早主委我想今天除了要討論這個國發會的預算以外有幾個跟整個臺灣發展的議題想要請教您現在大家都在關注這個川普當選之後對臺灣各方面可能產生的影響川普即將在明年的1月上任那這個川普先生在競選的時候他的政見\n大概就是非常的強調以美國利益為優先的這樣的一個核心價值所以他已經也對外說明說他的對外經貿方面他將要將這個所有的進口商品加10%到20%的關稅\n甚至提高中國商品進口關稅達到百分之六十這個應該就是未來我們在看到的過去的美中貿易戰應該又會再次升溫所以我不曉得在國發會怎麼樣看川普總統的新的經貿態度那他的這樣一個政策未來落實的可行性你們現在有沒有\n有沒有做過一些掌握那如果這樣的一個重大的貿易格局的變動對台灣會產生什麼樣的影響來主委謝謝委員其實我們這次在APEC大家討論的私下討論的比較多也是這個議題因為整個川普目前檯面上看到的是稅那檯面下的部分大家也在你講到APEC的私下討論是跟幾個國家的跟幾個國家的部長\n那我先講一下我們在上一次的2017年16年那個時候其實川普提升關稅之後呢帶動了很多的台商移出中國回流到台灣其實那一波我們大概進來了2.3兆的投資那我們認為這一波當然有利有弊那我還是看我的看法沒有變就是利大於弊\n您認為川普總統這樣的一個新的政策對台灣的整體經濟發展是利大於弊?對,因為我們獲得的商機會更多因為中國有60%幾乎都在移動中移動中當然這次我們在秘魯來講秘魯有一個港但是川普就講了那個港也算中國出口所以就變成是很明顯他的圍堵的政策是非常強烈的\n對我們反而是一些有很大的轉彈機會如果您認為在這樣的一個經貿變動當中對台灣是利大於弊台灣如何抓住這樣的一個利多的機會政府有沒有什麼其他的作為積極的作為來協助這一些企業升級或者是協助企業能夠抓住這樣的一個轉彈效應的這樣的一個\n立即這個是我們在整個吸引台資回流的部分我們會找經濟部我們會跟經濟部會有個會議在看怎麼樣加強力道吸引回流第二個是協助台商移轉到海外的部分我們也會比較強化去支持這個動作\n這個東西開始做了嗎?協助台商移轉因為其實我覺得商人喔台商應該是秀到這個風味的敏感度應該是會遠高過於政府啦所以他們應該也會開始在做一些規劃那我想政府在做後勤支援在做後面的back up的這個角色扮演上面我不曉得國發會在這個地方扮演的角色跟力道會到什麼樣的程度?\n我們會持續強化我們在台商回流的這個資金吸引的力道以外原有的計畫以外我們其實也跟一些海外的國家我們有在商討一些合作的方案因為我們台灣現在人力密集的部分我們是比較建議他們往到一些我們友邦去所以我們有在談一些合作方案\n主委那這個跟你那天談到的比如說你們現在國發基金的4個大的百億投資方案裡頭包括文化創意、智慧健康、AI新創、綠色成長那我記得您在6月的時候也提到了所謂的傳產再造基金也希望把它納入也希望在年底的時候成立那這個可能跟未來我們整體的這一些產業的發展其實是息息相關\n您講說年底要成立,我不知道你們現在的進度到哪裡?因為你們現在新公布的這個所謂的四大百億投資方案並沒有包括這個傳產再造基金對,傳產再造基金因為他們民間也要募資,他們要募資18億現在已經募資完成,那已經遞件申請了,那我們會排審核\n這個你只是審核而已嗎?你有沒有再去政府能夠再多加一點力道對於我們的這些傳產甚至整個基金的運用跟對於產業的輔助能夠再多加一點力道還是說你們只是做一些paperwork的審核工作而已?我們基本上我們會參與這個基金的投資因為他們這個由基金來做這個協助產業的轉型\n因為他變成會投資進去然後那民間壓的比我們還多嘛所以這個會會有蠻大的效果尤其是都是比較知名的人士那另外的部分我們也在強化一些稅賦的優惠我們現在正在談所以我們應該會著手進行企業企業併購法開始會做修法會做一些時事上的鼓勵\n這個部分是明年才開始做嗎?你所謂的企業併購法的修法這個是行政院來提案是你開始做嗎?這個已經跟財政部協調過了在行政院協調過一次那本來是從產算條例裡面改那我們現在是回來改企業併購法所以我們會在最近就會已經會開完了我們最近開始會著手進行那另外一個部分這四大擺益主要是主要是要為了刺激國內未來的產業需求\n主委您剛剛講到的這些部分其實是跟國家整體的經濟發展包括我們的產業未來的走向跟整個國際的經貿局勢其實是息息相關但是我想要更進一步請教您您剛剛講的這些策略是在國發會的內部裡頭去討論出來的還是在你們所謂的行政院經濟發展委員會去討論出來的\n行政院國家發展基金、離島建設基金、花東地區永續發展行政院國家發展基金、離島建設基金、花東地區永續發展\n議員議員議員議員\n你如果是院長當主任委員當然看起來是院長比較大嘛這個院長的主導性會比較強嘛那是不是變相的也會弱化了在國發會的這個功能上面是不是相對的就會被弱化了那未來的國發會是不是就會被這個所謂的經發會來取代\n經費相對是強化國安會的功能那裡面大部分的工作其實還是來自國安會的規劃那另外是透過顧問給我們一些建議然後我們在院會來通過的話執行的力道會比以往更強\n議員會主席\n幾乎是一模一樣那你們幾個政委當然也都是共同在參與這樣的一個整個國家發展整個國家經濟發展的事務所以我對於整個經發會我是沒有意見但是我認為如果他是跌床架屋又多成立了一個委員會那其實實際工作還是跟國發會在做的現況是一模一樣的話那會不會有一點\n秋衣委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.318 --> 00:12.113\n謝謝主席我請一下國發會新國會留主委\n\n00:19.392 --> 00:42.492\n主委早主委早主委我想今天除了要討論這個國發會的預算以外有幾個跟整個臺灣發展的議題想要請教您現在大家都在關注這個川普當選之後對臺灣各方面可能產生的影響川普即將在明年的1月上任那這個川普先生在競選的時候他的政見\n\n00:43.513 --> 00:58.290\n大概就是非常的強調以美國利益為優先的這樣的一個核心價值所以他已經也對外說明說他的對外經貿方面他將要將這個所有的進口商品加10%到20%的關稅\n\n01:01.514 --> 01:26.746\n甚至提高中國商品進口關稅達到百分之六十這個應該就是未來我們在看到的過去的美中貿易戰應該又會再次升溫所以我不曉得在國發會怎麼樣看川普總統的新的經貿態度那他的這樣一個政策未來落實的可行性你們現在有沒有\n\n01:27.446 --> 01:55.626\n有沒有做過一些掌握那如果這樣的一個重大的貿易格局的變動對台灣會產生什麼樣的影響來主委謝謝委員其實我們這次在APEC大家討論的私下討論的比較多也是這個議題因為整個川普目前檯面上看到的是稅那檯面下的部分大家也在你講到APEC的私下討論是跟幾個國家的跟幾個國家的部長\n\n01:56.446 --> 02:17.234\n那我先講一下我們在上一次的2017年16年那個時候其實川普提升關稅之後呢帶動了很多的台商移出中國回流到台灣其實那一波我們大概進來了2.3兆的投資那我們認為這一波當然有利有弊那我還是看我的看法沒有變就是利大於弊\n\n02:17.754 --> 02:22.316\n您認為川普總統這樣的一個新的政策對台灣的整體經濟發展是利大於弊?對,因為我們獲得的商機會更多因為中國有60%幾乎都在移動中移動中當然這次我們在秘魯來講秘魯有一個港但是川普就講了那個港也算中國出口所以就變成是很明顯他的圍堵的政策是非常強烈的\n\n02:43.027 --> 03:03.176\n對我們反而是一些有很大的轉彈機會如果您認為在這樣的一個經貿變動當中對台灣是利大於弊台灣如何抓住這樣的一個利多的機會政府有沒有什麼其他的作為積極的作為來協助這一些企業升級或者是協助企業能夠抓住這樣的一個轉彈效應的這樣的一個\n\n03:05.728 --> 03:21.821\n立即這個是我們在整個吸引台資回流的部分我們會找經濟部我們會跟經濟部會有個會議在看怎麼樣加強力道吸引回流第二個是協助台商移轉到海外的部分我們也會比較強化去支持這個動作\n\n03:23.002 --> 03:50.772\n這個東西開始做了嗎?協助台商移轉因為其實我覺得商人喔台商應該是秀到這個風味的敏感度應該是會遠高過於政府啦所以他們應該也會開始在做一些規劃那我想政府在做後勤支援在做後面的backup的這個角色扮演上面我不曉得國發會在這個地方扮演的角色跟力道會到什麼樣的程度?\n\n03:51.312 --> 04:13.958\n我們會持續強化我們在台商回流的這個資金吸引的力道以外原有的計畫以外我們其實也跟一些海外的國家我們有在商討一些合作的方案因為我們台灣現在人力密集的部分我們是比較建議他們往到一些我們友邦去所以我們有在談一些合作方案\n\n04:14.838 --> 04:41.945\n主委那這個跟你那天談到的比如說你們現在國發基金的4個大的百億投資方案裡頭包括文化創意、智慧健康、AI新創、綠色成長那我記得您在6月的時候也提到了所謂的傳產再造基金也希望把它納入也希望在年底的時候成立那這個可能跟未來我們整體的這一些產業的發展其實是息息相關\n\n04:42.805 --> 04:59.500\n您講說年底要成立,我不知道你們現在的進度到哪裡?因為你們現在新公布的這個所謂的四大百億投資方案並沒有包括這個傳產再造基金對,傳產再造基金因為他們民間也要募資,他們要募資18億現在已經募資完成,那已經遞件申請了,那我們會排審核\n\n05:05.457 --> 05:23.722\n這個你只是審核而已嗎?你有沒有再去政府能夠再多加一點力道對於我們的這些傳產甚至整個基金的運用跟對於產業的輔助能夠再多加一點力道還是說你們只是做一些paperwork的審核工作而已?我們基本上我們會參與這個基金的投資因為他們這個由基金來做這個協助產業的轉型\n\n05:31.044 --> 05:52.155\n因為他變成會投資進去然後那民間壓的比我們還多嘛所以這個會會有蠻大的效果尤其是都是比較知名的人士那另外的部分我們也在強化一些稅賦的優惠我們現在正在談所以我們應該會著手進行企業企業併購法開始會做修法會做一些時事上的鼓勵\n\n05:53.212 --> 06:19.238\n這個部分是明年才開始做嗎?你所謂的企業併購法的修法這個是行政院來提案是你開始做嗎?這個已經跟財政部協調過了在行政院協調過一次那本來是從產算條例裡面改那我們現在是回來改企業併購法所以我們會在最近就會已經會開完了我們最近開始會著手進行那另外一個部分這四大擺益主要是主要是要為了刺激國內未來的產業需求\n\n06:22.289 --> 06:43.264\n主委您剛剛講到的這些部分其實是跟國家整體的經濟發展包括我們的產業未來的走向跟整個國際的經貿局勢其實是息息相關但是我想要更進一步請教您您剛剛講的這些策略是在國發會的內部裡頭去討論出來的還是在你們所謂的行政院經濟發展委員會去討論出來的\n\n06:49.848 --> 06:52.570\n行政院國家發展基金、離島建設基金、花東地區永續發展行政院國家發展基金、離島建設基金、花東地區永續發展\n\n07:30.390 --> 07:46.395\n你如果是院長當主任委員當然看起來是院長比較大嘛這個院長的主導性會比較強嘛那是不是變相的也會弱化了在國發會的這個功能上面是不是相對的就會被弱化了那未來的國發會是不是就會被這個所謂的經發會來取代\n\n07:50.997 --> 08:04.569\n經費相對是強化國安會的功能那裡面大部分的工作其實還是來自國安會的規劃那另外是透過顧問給我們一些建議然後我們在院會來通過的話執行的力道會比以往更強\n\n08:05.916 --> 08:06.016\n議員會主席\n\n08:22.008 --> 08:44.761\n幾乎是一模一樣那你們幾個政委當然也都是共同在參與這樣的一個整個國家發展整個國家經濟發展的事務所以我對於整個經發會我是沒有意見但是我認為如果他是跌床架屋又多成立了一個委員會那其實實際工作還是跟國發會在做的現況是一模一樣的話那會不會有一點\n\n08:45.814 --> 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