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00:02:21,340\n那到前幾天的時候據說是因為我們賴清德總統他覺得說這個部分可以調整所以教育部才出來講因為賴清德從2014年在當台南市長的時候就推出了那個雙語政策到他行政院的時候呢然後來核定這個政策然後持續的往下推所以大家就覺得說現在台灣的雙語政策可能走到了一個瓶頸的一個情況\n\n8\n00:02:22,721 --> 00:02:39,410\n以目前看起來來說的時候因為原本的狀態是要用全英文去上所有的課程現在只用英文去上英文課很多老師都直接講說連中文用我們的母語在教我們的小朋友這些知識的部分有些時候都沒有辦法完成你要用一個\n\n9\n00:02:40,510 --> 00:03:07,272\n外語他來教這個部分的時候顯然碰到很多的問題有很多學者提到說初步的教育政策會讓我們整個世代的學生的競爭力受到的一些影響那我想特別提到說以現在我們看到教育部提到這個情況的時候那我們國發會在後續的部分有沒有什麼樣子的一個配額或調整還是說這個部分就直接讓教育部這邊去推了\n\n10\n00:03:08,769 --> 00:03:22,857\n教育部的部分是教育部會去推那這點我們兩個其實有討論過我個人是支持鄭部長的看法是那因為所以你也覺得用英文去教美勞用英文去教體育是有問題的嘛對不對\n\n11\n00:03:26,262 --> 00:03:54,255\n這個東西就是要逐步實施不可能再對這個讓老師會用他不熟悉的語言因為他可能用熟悉的語言都不見得教得那麼好這個就是一個最大的一個問題所以當時在110年的時候國發會提出了一個雙語政策推動方案的時候很多學者都覺得是有問題那本席要特別提到的狀態說我們現在如果看到一個這麼重大的一個國家的一個雙語政策都可以在這時候就是三年之後就直接轉彎了\n\n12\n00:03:55,456 --> 00:04:10,802\n那未來國外他怎麼在看臺灣這邊所推的所有的國家重大政策?我們以國安會來講我們會我們著重在於雙語的環境我們希望建立一個友善的雙語環境或者譬如說我們現在是跟超商在談\n\n13\n00:04:11,722 --> 00:04:24,468\n希望它的販售的標籤會有英文的圖OK那我們希望在對這個部分是另外一件事情因為我覺得對教育部來說這是一個很重大的一個轉變那我個人也覺得這個轉變是對的是好的\n\n14\n00:04:26,849 --> 00:04:47,071\n因為否則很多的學生、很多的老師不斷地在反映他們在整個雙語教育過程當中碰到了很多的瓶頸那我想特別想知道就是國發會這邊也去了解一下目前在進行中的雙語課程他在教育部這樣轉彎之後的時候後續會碰到怎麼樣的問題請給本席一個很完整的書面資料\n\n15\n00:04:48,573 --> 00:05:10,953\n包括已經招聘出來進來的一個國中小的雙語老師為了要怎麼樣何去何從等等的問題請給本席一個完整的資料主委另外還提到一個點就昨天國發會在財政委員會直接明白的表示就是說鼓勵授選資金投入都市捷運的一個新建\n\n16\n00:05:11,954 --> 00:05:18,252\n我想請教一個部分這個捷運的興建算包不包含包不包含輕軌\n\n17\n00:05:21,464 --> 00:05:47,394\n你是說受險基金投資公共建設那只要是公共建設受險基金認為可投資他們就會進去嗎?我的問題其實是坦白說以捷運來說為什麼特別提到輕軌是因為新竹在推大輕軌企劃可是在整個財務的試算當中碰到很大的一個瓶頸所以我想特別問如果受險基金他們覺得他們要投入這些公建的部分的時候他們要投入\n\n18\n00:05:48,556 --> 00:06:15,477\n清軌是可以的嗎?你剛剛的回答是表示投入清軌是可以的?基本上如果您看日本或是泰國的案例其實都有民間投入的像日本的三手線或是泰國的Skyline都是有民間的投入的他們會賺錢阿現在台灣所有的捷運裡面只有那個台北市的藍線跟紅線賺錢其他的線都不賺錢阿北捷現在還每年虧損十幾億阿對,因為他的經濟目前我在看理解,所以我在說所以我才特別提到說我們現在如果說你覺得說清軌\n\n19\n00:06:16,878 --> 00:06:30,907\n受險業者他們也可以去投我們希望動到這三四兆的一個經費投入公件當中的時候那我想問如果他們覺得評估之後可以投的時候他們投入的金額算不算是一個地方配合款算不算地方配合款他應該是\n\n20\n00:06:37,322 --> 00:06:57,734\n這個我們可能還是問一下這個跟交通部討論一下因為現在所有地方政府在推動軌道交通當中的時候不管是捷運或者是輕軌都碰到一個財務不夠的一個問題尤其新竹市在推大新竹輕軌的時候跟新竹縣大家就沒有錢啊那如果說現在透過涉險基金的\n\n21\n00:06:58,834 --> 00:07:14,820\n額縮減資金的部分他可以投入到公件當中的時候那我們希望他能夠當作地方的一個配合款的一個部分否則地方是完全沒有錢去做這樣的一個公共政策的一個推動好不好沒錯這我們有討論過了包括竹科這條線也有業者提出來\n\n22\n00:07:16,409 --> 00:07:29,729\n好那這部分再請給本席一個很清楚的資料因為我們知道說以目前整個政府這邊的時候是希望說造源投資國家的一個發展方案所以希望能夠把它進行導入可是我們認為\n\n23\n00:07:31,553 --> 00:07:49,340\n政府可能還要給他們有更多的一個誘因否則光投入這樣子的一個軌道交通是不會賺錢的不會賺錢這些受險基金他們很難投入好的好不好好的因為我們在這次兆元投資方案裡面有一個法規調適小組所以我們到時候如果需要調適法規我們會來左手進行\n\n24\n00:07:52,326 --> 00:08:11,394\n國發會有一個Tarant台灣的一個計畫希望在2030年全球攬財40萬人我看到了一個這個大圓餅圖當中的時候我看到Tarant台灣裡面跟整個就業金卡的一個連接度不是特別的高因為目前\n\n25\n00:08:12,995 --> 00:08:41,568\n只有18.5%的人已經取得就業金而且到臺灣來那本席希望針對這個部分能夠給本席一個更完整的資料我們Tarant臺灣這邊目前大概有多少人然後要怎麼樣子跟整個就業金卡這邊做一個更好的連結讓他們真正能夠落腳在臺灣因為臺灣確實有出現很大的一個人力不足跟人才荒的問題那我們希望Tarant臺灣能夠有一個比較好的表現好的\n\n26\n00:08:42,388 --> 00:08:49,501\n最後部分就是因為有關於地方創生的部分我們看到地方創生的提案優先的部分在113年到7月為止的時候其實\n\n27\n00:08:55,322 --> 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這個部分是另外一件事情因為我覺得對教育部來說這是一個很重大的一個轉變那我個人也覺得這個轉變是對的是好的\n266849\t287071\t因為否則很多的學生、很多的老師不斷地在反映他們在整個雙語教育過程當中碰到了很多的瓶頸那我想特別想知道就是國發會這邊也去了解一下目前在進行中的雙語課程他在教育部這樣轉彎之後的時候後續會碰到怎麼樣的問題請給本席一個很完整的書面資料\n288573\t310953\t包括已經招聘出來進來的一個國中小的雙語老師為了要怎麼樣何去何從等等的問題請給本席一個完整的資料主委另外還提到一個點就昨天國發會在財政委員會直接明白的表示就是說鼓勵授選資金投入都市捷運的一個新建\n311954\t318252\t我想請教一個部分這個捷運的興建算包不包含包不包含輕軌\n321464\t347394\t你是說受險基金投資公共建設那只要是公共建設受險基金認為可投資他們就會進去嗎?我的問題其實是坦白說以捷運來說為什麼特別提到輕軌是因為新竹在推大輕軌企劃可是在整個財務的試算當中碰到很大的一個瓶頸所以我想特別問如果受險基金他們覺得他們要投入這些公建的部分的時候他們要投入\n348556\t375477\t清軌是可以的嗎?你剛剛的回答是表示投入清軌是可以的?基本上如果您看日本或是泰國的案例其實都有民間投入的像日本的三手線或是泰國的Skyline都是有民間的投入的他們會賺錢阿現在台灣所有的捷運裡面只有那個台北市的藍線跟紅線賺錢其他的線都不賺錢阿北捷現在還每年虧損十幾億阿對,因為他的經濟目前我在看理解,所以我在說所以我才特別提到說我們現在如果說你覺得說清軌\n376878\t390907\t受險業者他們也可以去投我們希望動到這三四兆的一個經費投入公件當中的時候那我想問如果他們覺得評估之後可以投的時候他們投入的金額算不算是一個地方配合款算不算地方配合款他應該是\n397322\t417734\t這個我們可能還是問一下這個跟交通部討論一下因為現在所有地方政府在推動軌道交通當中的時候不管是捷運或者是輕軌都碰到一個財務不夠的一個問題尤其新竹市在推大新竹輕軌的時候跟新竹縣大家就沒有錢啊那如果說現在透過涉險基金的\n418834\t434820\t額縮減資金的部分他可以投入到公件當中的時候那我們希望他能夠當作地方的一個配合款的一個部分否則地方是完全沒有錢去做這樣的一個公共政策的一個推動好不好沒錯這我們有討論過了包括竹科這條線也有業者提出來\n436409\t449729\t好那這部分再請給本席一個很清楚的資料因為我們知道說以目前整個政府這邊的時候是希望說造源投資國家的一個發展方案所以希望能夠把它進行導入可是我們認為\n451553\t469340\t政府可能還要給他們有更多的一個誘因否則光投入這樣子的一個軌道交通是不會賺錢的不會賺錢這些受險基金他們很難投入好的好不好好的因為我們在這次兆元投資方案裡面有一個法規調適小組所以我們到時候如果需要調適法規我們會來左手進行\n472326\t491394\t國發會有一個Tarant台灣的一個計畫希望在2030年全球攬財40萬人我看到了一個這個大圓餅圖當中的時候我看到Tarant台灣裡面跟整個就業金卡的一個連接度不是特別的高因為目前\n492995\t521568\t只有18.5%的人已經取得就業金而且到臺灣來那本席希望針對這個部分能夠給本席一個更完整的資料我們Tarant臺灣這邊目前大概有多少人然後要怎麼樣子跟整個就業金卡這邊做一個更好的連結讓他們真正能夠落腳在臺灣因為臺灣確實有出現很大的一個人力不足跟人才荒的問題那我們希望Tarant臺灣能夠有一個比較好的表現好的\n522388\t529501\t最後部分就是因為有關於地方創生的部分我們看到地方創生的提案優先的部分在113年到7月為止的時候其實\n535322\t562833\t北部這邊有6個優先的地區都沒有新竹市我想知道在整個國發會在推動的一個地方創生計畫當中新竹市提出來多少的一個計畫申請書先跟本席一個很清楚的一個詳細的資料因為北區這邊的時候基本上是沒有新竹市可是我們知道地方也很努力在推我想知道目前整個地方送進來多少的申請了多少個提案然後得到多少的一個回饋給本席一個很清楚的資料\n563393\t563896\t我們會多出面指導。\n","txt":"政卿委員主席好,我想請一下劉主委請國會劉主委\n上禮拜三教育部長鄭英耀表示未來只會要求以全英文上英文課這是不是表示我們國家的雙語政策在轉彎?\n主要是我們希望多花一點以教育部來講他還是希望在老師用熟悉的語言去教育學生因為當時因為我們在那個從107年行政院合併雙語政策\n並函出2030雙語國家這願景那在當中的時候我們在110年9月的時候呢那麼國發會、教育部、人事行政總署、考選部跟公務員保障培訓委員會也提出了一個推動方案\n它裡面很清楚的講到很多的一個目標跟現在教育部長講說只用全英文上英文課其實是一個很大的一個轉彎雖然你剛剛口頭上你沒有覺得說這是轉彎可是實質上大家都覺得它已經是轉彎了因為整個的操作跟目標就已經完全不一樣那我要特別講到一個點就是說\n在那個因為事實上從107年核定雙語政策之後那110年開始推動的時候很多教育界的人大家都覺得這樣子這是有問題的一個雙語政策包括在112年就在公共政策網路產業平台就有超過上萬人希望能夠更改這樣的一個政策可是呢他一繼續堅持下去\n那到前幾天的時候據說是因為我們賴清德總統他覺得說這個部分可以調整所以教育部才出來講因為賴清德從2014年在當台南市長的時候就推出了那個雙語政策到他行政院的時候呢然後來核定這個政策然後持續的往下推所以大家就覺得說現在台灣的雙語政策可能走到了一個瓶頸的一個情況\n以目前看起來來說的時候因為原本的狀態是要用全英文去上所有的課程現在只用英文去上英文課很多老師都直接講說連中文用我們的母語在教我們的小朋友這些知識的部分有些時候都沒有辦法完成你要用一個\n外語他來教這個部分的時候顯然碰到很多的問題有很多學者提到說初步的教育政策會讓我們整個世代的學生的競爭力受到的一些影響那我想特別提到說以現在我們看到教育部提到這個情況的時候那我們國發會在後續的部分有沒有什麼樣子的一個配額或調整還是說這個部分就直接讓教育部這邊去推了\n教育部的部分是教育部會去推那這點我們兩個其實有討論過我個人是支持鄭部長的看法是那因為所以你也覺得用英文去教美勞用英文去教體育是有問題的嘛對不對\n這個東西就是要逐步實施不可能再對這個讓老師會用他不熟悉的語言因為他可能用熟悉的語言都不見得教得那麼好這個就是一個最大的一個問題所以當時在110年的時候國發會提出了一個雙語政策推動方案的時候很多學者都覺得是有問題那本席要特別提到的狀態說我們現在如果看到一個這麼重大的一個國家的一個雙語政策都可以在這時候就是三年之後就直接轉彎了\n那未來國外他怎麼在看臺灣這邊所推的所有的國家重大政策?我們以國安會來講我們會我們著重在於雙語的環境我們希望建立一個友善的雙語環境或者譬如說我們現在是跟超商在談\n希望它的販售的標籤會有英文的圖OK那我們希望在對 這個部分是另外一件事情因為我覺得對教育部來說這是一個很重大的一個轉變那我個人也覺得這個轉變是對的是好的\n因為否則很多的學生、很多的老師不斷地在反映他們在整個雙語教育過程當中碰到了很多的瓶頸那我想特別想知道就是國發會這邊也去了解一下目前在進行中的雙語課程他在教育部這樣轉彎之後的時候後續會碰到怎麼樣的問題請給本席一個很完整的書面資料\n包括已經招聘出來進來的一個國中小的雙語老師為了要怎麼樣何去何從等等的問題請給本席一個完整的資料主委另外還提到一個點就昨天國發會在財政委員會直接明白的表示就是說鼓勵授選資金投入都市捷運的一個新建\n我想請教一個部分這個捷運的興建算包不包含包不包含輕軌\n你是說受險基金投資公共建設那只要是公共建設受險基金認為可投資他們就會進去嗎?我的問題其實是坦白說以捷運來說為什麼特別提到輕軌是因為新竹在推大輕軌企劃可是在整個財務的試算當中碰到很大的一個瓶頸所以我想特別問如果受險基金他們覺得他們要投入這些公建的部分的時候他們要投入\n清軌是可以的嗎?你剛剛的回答是表示投入清軌是可以的?基本上如果您看日本或是泰國的案例其實都有民間投入的像日本的三手線或是泰國的Skyline都是有民間的投入的他們會賺錢阿現在台灣所有的捷運裡面只有那個台北市的藍線跟紅線賺錢其他的線都不賺錢阿北捷現在還每年虧損十幾億阿對,因為他的經濟目前我在看理解,所以我在說所以我才特別提到說我們現在如果說你覺得說清軌\n受險業者他們也可以去投我們希望動到這三四兆的一個經費投入公件當中的時候那我想問如果他們覺得評估之後可以投的時候他們投入的金額算不算是一個地方配合款算不算地方配合款他應該是\n這個我們可能還是問一下這個跟交通部討論一下因為現在所有地方政府在推動軌道交通當中的時候不管是捷運或者是輕軌都碰到一個財務不夠的一個問題尤其新竹市在推大新竹輕軌的時候跟新竹縣大家就沒有錢啊那如果說現在透過涉險基金的\n額縮減資金的部分他可以投入到公件當中的時候那我們希望他能夠當作地方的一個配合款的一個部分否則地方是完全沒有錢去做這樣的一個公共政策的一個推動好不好沒錯這我們有討論過了包括竹科這條線也有業者提出來\n好那這部分再請給本席一個很清楚的資料因為我們知道說以目前整個政府這邊的時候是希望說造源投資國家的一個發展方案所以希望能夠把它進行導入可是我們認為\n政府可能還要給他們有更多的一個誘因否則光投入這樣子的一個軌道交通是不會賺錢的不會賺錢這些受險基金他們很難投入好的好不好好的因為我們在這次兆元投資方案裡面有一個法規調適小組所以我們到時候如果需要調適法規我們會來左手進行\n國發會有一個Tarant台灣的一個計畫希望在2030年全球攬財40萬人我看到了一個這個大圓餅圖當中的時候我看到Tarant台灣裡面跟整個就業金卡的一個連接度不是特別的高因為目前\n只有18.5%的人已經取得就業金而且到臺灣來那本席希望針對這個部分能夠給本席一個更完整的資料我們Tarant臺灣這邊目前大概有多少人然後要怎麼樣子跟整個就業金卡這邊做一個更好的連結讓他們真正能夠落腳在臺灣因為臺灣確實有出現很大的一個人力不足跟人才荒的問題那我們希望Tarant臺灣能夠有一個比較好的表現好的\n最後部分就是因為有關於地方創生的部分我們看到地方創生的提案優先的部分在113年到7月為止的時候其實\n北部這邊有6個優先的地區都沒有新竹市我想知道在整個國發會在推動的一個地方創生計畫當中新竹市提出來多少的一個計畫申請書先跟本席一個很清楚的一個詳細的資料因為北區這邊的時候基本上是沒有新竹市可是我們知道地方也很努力在推我想知道目前整個地方送進來多少的申請了多少個提案然後得到多少的一個回饋給本席一個很清楚的資料\n我們會多出面指導。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.083 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