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00:00:40,727\n陳委員早主委早所以我想我們現在國家發展基金目前重點的支持方向大概是有三大樣五大信賴產業AI新創產業還有綠色成長淨零產業好那我先要問說那這些跟我們所謂傳產或中小企業或是文化產業會有什麼樣的一個直接觀念你要怎麼去協助他們\n\n3\n00:00:43,554 --> 00:01:06,851\n這個AI的基金就是在會協助到產業的AI化那我們在於像以工具機來講他需要或者是在這個螺絲業的自動化生產上面他都需要透過AI的協助誰去協助他們我們是希望投資新創事業去協助他們投資新創事業去協助他們對因為需要有企業去協助去這個發展這個產業\n\n4\n00:01:08,769 --> 00:01:20,748\n可是主委你知不知道其實在我們很多傳產當他要跨到AI這個領域當中他其實有很多他有一些技術上的一個限制\n\n5\n00:01:28,328 --> 00:01:38,273\n這才是現在其實很多傳展很重要的一個關鍵所以我們一直在談的就是說國家發展基金當我們一直強調我們有一些重點支持的方向\n\n6\n00:01:39,153 --> 00:02:07,697\n五大信賴產業、AI新創產業、綠色成長精靈產業可是這些我們要怎麼跨越到讓我們的傳產可以浮至上海這也是我們國發基金非常重要的區塊否則我們看到國發基金永遠我們所支持的都是上市上櫃的公司可是轉頭看這些新創產業我們能夠得到的其實不多能夠得到我們國發基金協助的並不多\n\n7\n00:02:09,212 --> 00:02:37,866\n所以這個其實一直都是我們一個糾結在國發基金也是我們一直被質疑的部分那我們也一直在談也謝謝我們主委在一直拜託把這個資料彙整出來也就是說我們國發基金在扶植台南地區的新創及中小企業政策相關計畫措施還有目前最新辦理進度的報告終於有這份報告\n\n8\n00:02:39,346 --> 00:03:01,943\n我們過去所看到的都是一個整體可是我們完全沒有針對各地方去做一個總盤檢所以好不容易在10月份我們國發會有了這份資料然後我必須問這份資料請問我們可以給台南的產業有什麼樣的協助\n\n9\n00:03:04,233 --> 00:03:15,551\n我們其實有幾個方案喔第一個是我們除了有這個創業轉型基金他可以來申請就是轉型基金那第二個部分呢我們其實有設備升級的融資的輔助\n\n10\n00:03:19,377 --> 00:03:21,818\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分關於行政院、離島建設基金、花東地區永續發展二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n11\n00:03:47,313 --> 00:04:02,440\n這個修法的部分那天談完之後我們會重新本來是從企業併購法從那個產創條例去改那現在是跟財政部談完之後從氣併法來修改所以我們會請經濟部開始協助修動這個法令所以可能還要再\n\n12\n00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,162\n一個會期之後,就產業轉型基金的部分,因為他已經送件了,我們希望經過評審審核,如果能過的話,那會在年底會產生。那我們也會去協調一下那個AI基金,看能不能盡量協助產業的AI轉型。\n\n13\n00:04:23,174 --> 00:04:45,082\n主委我們把你這一份資料大概把它區分出來大概有6大項第一個是直接投資方案就是申請國發基金參與投資1億元以上而且有主導性投資人他可以來申請直接投資方案第二個叫加強投資中小企業實施方案中小企業申請國發基金參與投資未達1億者沒錯\n\n14\n00:04:49,183 --> 00:05:10,557\n第3加強投資策略性服務業實施方案也就是符合政府產業政策推動的服務業可以申請國發基金參與投資未達一億者然後加強投資策略性製造業實施方案也就是我們的製造業如果未達\n\n15\n00:05:11,758 --> 00:05:39,242\n投資一億的部分也可以來申請再來是第5項加強投資文化創意產業實施方案反符合文化創意產業發展法第3條所稱之國內文化創意產業及文創基金第6個是創業天使投資方案這個部分是最新的就是在投資2000萬以下的可以來申請天使投資方案\n\n16\n00:05:40,003 --> 00:05:55,464\n這是最新的我們雖然有這些方案請問台南的企業誰知道台南的企業誰知道\n\n17\n00:05:58,168 --> 00:06:14,152\n誰來協助他們?沒有人知道欸我把這個資料然後問了我們台南的一些中小企業一些相關的產業我說你知道國發基金有這麼好的一個協助可以讓你們來提升讓你們來轉型嗎?其實很多人都不知道\n\n18\n00:06:19,877 --> 00:06:34,276\n這個我們來強化了因為它本來我們是全台灣每一年都會有說明會每半年一次那我們可以再強化它你們每半年一次請問你們說明會的地點在哪裡\n\n19\n00:06:35,407 --> 00:07:03,801\n我們在各縣市其實創投工業都有去啦那如果是我想針對辦我一直都強調一點不論是國發會也好經濟部也好我一直在強調你們辦說明會對象你有確定你要的對象都是當中最需要的嗎還是只是說明會應付性的反正有辦你要來就來不來就算了\n\n20\n00:07:04,534 --> 00:07:33,154\n這個我們來強化這個我們來改善這很可惜就是說其實我們有很多的方案每一次我跟中小企業在談的時候明明我們每年省的預算從經濟部到國發會都有一些協助轉型跟創新產業投資的一些專案預算可是為什麼他們永遠都得不到永遠他們計劃書送出去就是鬼打牆\n\n21\n00:07:34,366 --> 00:08:02,283\n因為他們不知道關鍵在哪裡當你不知道每個方案的關鍵你當然寫出來就沒有辦法符合到那個方案的關鍵用意跟它的用途所以這個才是一個我們每一次不斷的在提醒我們相關部會我們有專案預算我們要到位到位什麼叫到位是真正幫助需要的產業\n\n22\n00:08:03,973 --> 00:08:22,025\n沒錯委員你講的也是我有請同仁要改善的地方就是說我們應該不是只有審核我們應該含輔導協助這些申請的業者怎麼樣能夠改善他的營運計畫所以我們是不是應該建構一個平台我們要不要建構一個平台一個窗口\n\n23\n00:08:23,662 --> 00:08:47,051\n讓每一個各縣市這些從小企業他符合條件的他可以透過這個窗口來協助然後來得到訊息來得到諮詢的方向可以嗎?可以啊,可以可以是不是主委你可以去設立一個窗口這很重要否則難不說真的有諮詢落差\n\n24\n00:08:48,274 --> 00:09:04,582\n每一次我們得到的時候都是預算已經被拿完了因為我們不是無限上綱錢永遠在那邊用不完啊每年還是有一個基數在啊這個基數在用完了就不可能還有下一個案子嘛\n\n25\n00:09:05,532 --> 00:09:32,443\n所以我們是不是應該把這些基數我們在明年我們設一個窗口把這個窗口公布給所有各產業界知道各工業區知道各園區知道那麼他們就很清楚說好我今天如果有需要我要做創業轉型的時候AI轉型的時候文創轉型的時候我可以得到什麼樣的協助我可以有什麼樣的諮詢方向可不可以可以\n\n26\n00:09:33,323 --> 00:09:33,363\n議員主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4732\t6463\t謝謝主席我們請國防會主委\n14816\t40727\t陳委員早主委早所以我想我們現在國家發展基金目前重點的支持方向大概是有三大樣五大信賴產業AI新創產業還有綠色成長淨零產業好那我先要問說那這些跟我們所謂傳產或中小企業或是文化產業會有什麼樣的一個直接觀念你要怎麼去協助他們\n43554\t66851\t這個AI的基金就是在會協助到產業的AI化那我們在於像以工具機來講他需要或者是在這個螺絲業的自動化生產上面他都需要透過AI的協助誰去協助他們我們是希望投資新創事業去協助他們投資新創事業去協助他們對因為需要有企業去協助去這個發展這個產業\n68769\t80748\t可是主委你知不知道其實在我們很多傳產當他要跨到AI這個領域當中他其實有很多他有一些技術上的一個限制\n88328\t98273\t這才是現在其實很多傳展很重要的一個關鍵所以我們一直在談的就是說國家發展基金當我們一直強調我們有一些重點支持的方向\n99153\t127697\t五大信賴產業、AI新創產業、綠色成長精靈產業可是這些我們要怎麼跨越到讓我們的傳產可以浮至上海這也是我們國發基金非常重要的區塊否則我們看到國發基金永遠我們所支持的都是上市上櫃的公司可是轉頭看這些新創產業我們能夠得到的其實不多能夠得到我們國發基金協助的並不多\n129212\t157866\t所以這個其實一直都是我們一個糾結在國發基金也是我們一直被質疑的部分那我們也一直在談也謝謝我們主委在一直拜託把這個資料彙整出來也就是說我們國發基金在扶植台南地區的新創及中小企業政策相關計畫措施還有目前最新辦理進度的報告終於有這份報告\n159346\t181943\t我們過去所看到的都是一個整體可是我們完全沒有針對各地方去做一個總盤檢所以好不容易在10月份我們國發會有了這份資料然後我必須問這份資料請問我們可以給台南的產業有什麼樣的協助\n184233\t195551\t我們其實有幾個方案喔第一個是我們除了有這個創業轉型基金他可以來申請就是轉型基金那第二個部分呢我們其實有設備升級的融資的輔助\n199377\t201818\t二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分關於行政院、離島建設基金、花東地區永續發展二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n227313\t242440\t這個修法的部分那天談完之後我們會重新本來是從企業併購法從那個產創條例去改那現在是跟財政部談完之後從氣併法來修改所以我們會請經濟部開始協助修動這個法令所以可能還要再\n243280\t247162\t一個會期之後,就產業轉型基金的部分,因為他已經送件了,我們希望經過評審審核,如果能過的話,那會在年底會產生。那我們也會去協調一下那個AI基金,看能不能盡量協助產業的AI轉型。\n263174\t285082\t主委我們把你這一份資料大概把它區分出來大概有6大項第一個是直接投資方案就是申請國發基金參與投資1億元以上而且有主導性投資人他可以來申請直接投資方案第二個叫加強投資中小企業實施方案中小企業申請國發基金參與投資未達1億者沒錯\n289183\t310557\t第3加強投資策略性服務業實施方案也就是符合政府產業政策推動的服務業可以申請國發基金參與投資未達一億者然後加強投資策略性製造業實施方案也就是我們的製造業如果未達\n311758\t339242\t投資一億的部分也可以來申請再來是第5項加強投資文化創意產業實施方案反符合文化創意產業發展法第3條所稱之國內文化創意產業及文創基金第6個是創業天使投資方案這個部分是最新的就是在投資2000萬以下的可以來申請天使投資方案\n340003\t355464\t這是最新的我們雖然有這些方案請問台南的企業誰知道台南的企業誰知道\n358168\t374152\t誰來協助他們?沒有人知道欸我把這個資料然後問了我們台南的一些中小企業一些相關的產業我說你知道國發基金有這麼好的一個協助可以讓你們來提升讓你們來轉型嗎?其實很多人都不知道\n379877\t394276\t這個我們來強化了因為它本來我們是全台灣每一年都會有說明會每半年一次那我們可以再強化它你們每半年一次請問你們說明會的地點在哪裡\n395407\t423801\t我們在各縣市其實創投工業都有去啦那如果是我想針對辦我一直都強調一點不論是國發會也好經濟部也好我一直在強調你們辦說明會對象你有確定你要的對象都是當中最需要的嗎還是只是說明會應付性的反正有辦你要來就來不來就算了\n424534\t453154\t這個我們來強化這個我們來改善這很可惜就是說其實我們有很多的方案每一次我跟中小企業在談的時候明明我們每年省的預算從經濟部到國發會都有一些協助轉型跟創新產業投資的一些專案預算可是為什麼他們永遠都得不到永遠他們計劃書送出去就是鬼打牆\n454366\t482283\t因為他們不知道關鍵在哪裡當你不知道每個方案的關鍵你當然寫出來就沒有辦法符合到那個方案的關鍵用意跟它的用途所以這個才是一個我們每一次不斷的在提醒我們相關部會我們有專案預算我們要到位到位什麼叫到位是真正幫助需要的產業\n483973\t502025\t沒錯委員你講的也是我有請同仁要改善的地方就是說我們應該不是只有審核我們應該含輔導協助這些申請的業者怎麼樣能夠改善他的營運計畫所以我們是不是應該建構一個平台我們要不要建構一個平台一個窗口\n503662\t527051\t讓每一個各縣市這些從小企業他符合條件的他可以透過這個窗口來協助然後來得到訊息來得到諮詢的方向可以嗎?可以啊,可以可以是不是主委你可以去設立一個窗口這很重要否則難不說真的有諮詢落差\n528274\t544582\t每一次我們得到的時候都是預算已經被拿完了因為我們不是無限上綱錢永遠在那邊用不完啊每年還是有一個基數在啊這個基數在用完了就不可能還有下一個案子嘛\n545532\t572443\t所以我們是不是應該把這些基數我們在明年我們設一個窗口把這個窗口公布給所有各產業界知道各工業區知道各園區知道那麼他們就很清楚說好我今天如果有需要我要做創業轉型的時候AI轉型的時候文創轉型的時候我可以得到什麼樣的協助我可以有什麼樣的諮詢方向可不可以可以\n573323\t573363\t議員主席\n","txt":"謝謝主席我們請國防會主委\n陳委員早主委早所以我想我們現在國家發展基金目前重點的支持方向大概是有三大樣五大信賴產業AI新創產業還有綠色成長淨零產業好那我先要問說那這些跟我們所謂傳產或中小企業或是文化產業會有什麼樣的一個直接觀念你要怎麼去協助他們\n這個AI的基金就是在會協助到產業的AI化那我們在於像以工具機來講他需要或者是在這個螺絲業的自動化生產上面他都需要透過AI的協助誰去協助他們我們是希望投資新創事業去協助他們投資新創事業去協助他們對因為需要有企業去協助去這個發展這個產業\n可是主委你知不知道其實在我們很多傳產當他要跨到AI這個領域當中他其實有很多他有一些技術上的一個限制\n這才是現在其實很多傳展很重要的一個關鍵所以我們一直在談的就是說國家發展基金當我們一直強調我們有一些重點支持的方向\n五大信賴產業、AI新創產業、綠色成長精靈產業可是這些我們要怎麼跨越到讓我們的傳產可以浮至上海這也是我們國發基金非常重要的區塊否則我們看到國發基金永遠我們所支持的都是上市上櫃的公司可是轉頭看這些新創產業我們能夠得到的其實不多能夠得到我們國發基金協助的並不多\n所以這個其實一直都是我們一個糾結在國發基金也是我們一直被質疑的部分那我們也一直在談也謝謝我們主委在一直拜託把這個資料彙整出來也就是說我們國發基金在扶植台南地區的新創及中小企業政策相關計畫措施還有目前最新辦理進度的報告終於有這份報告\n我們過去所看到的都是一個整體可是我們完全沒有針對各地方去做一個總盤檢所以好不容易在10月份我們國發會有了這份資料然後我必須問這份資料請問我們可以給台南的產業有什麼樣的協助\n我們其實有幾個方案喔第一個是我們除了有這個創業轉型基金他可以來申請就是轉型基金那第二個部分呢我們其實有設備升級的融資的輔助\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分關於行政院、離島建設基金、花東地區永續發展二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n這個修法的部分那天談完之後我們會重新本來是從企業併購法從那個產創條例去改那現在是跟財政部談完之後從氣併法來修改所以我們會請經濟部開始協助修動這個法令所以可能還要再\n一個會期之後,就產業轉型基金的部分,因為他已經送件了,我們希望經過評審審核,如果能過的話,那會在年底會產生。那我們也會去協調一下那個AI基金,看能不能盡量協助產業的AI轉型。\n主委我們把你這一份資料大概把它區分出來大概有6大項第一個是直接投資方案就是申請國發基金參與投資1億元以上而且有主導性投資人他可以來申請直接投資方案第二個叫加強投資中小企業實施方案中小企業申請國發基金參與投資未達1億者沒錯\n第3加強投資策略性服務業實施方案也就是符合政府產業政策推動的服務業可以申請國發基金參與投資未達一億者然後加強投資策略性製造業實施方案也就是我們的製造業如果未達\n投資一億的部分也可以來申請再來是第5項加強投資文化創意產業實施方案反符合文化創意產業發展法第3條所稱之國內文化創意產業及文創基金第6個是創業天使投資方案這個部分是最新的就是在投資2000萬以下的可以來申請天使投資方案\n這是最新的我們雖然有這些方案請問台南的企業誰知道台南的企業誰知道\n誰來協助他們?沒有人知道欸我把這個資料然後問了我們台南的一些中小企業一些相關的產業我說你知道國發基金有這麼好的一個協助可以讓你們來提升讓你們來轉型嗎?其實很多人都不知道\n這個我們來強化了因為它本來我們是全台灣每一年都會有說明會每半年一次那我們可以再強化它你們每半年一次請問你們說明會的地點在哪裡\n我們在各縣市其實創投工業都有去啦那如果是我想針對辦我一直都強調一點不論是國發會也好經濟部也好我一直在強調你們辦說明會對象你有確定你要的對象都是當中最需要的嗎還是只是說明會應付性的反正有辦你要來就來不來就算了\n這個我們來強化這個我們來改善這很可惜就是說其實我們有很多的方案每一次我跟中小企業在談的時候明明我們每年省的預算從經濟部到國發會都有一些協助轉型跟創新產業投資的一些專案預算可是為什麼他們永遠都得不到永遠他們計劃書送出去就是鬼打牆\n因為他們不知道關鍵在哪裡當你不知道每個方案的關鍵你當然寫出來就沒有辦法符合到那個方案的關鍵用意跟它的用途所以這個才是一個我們每一次不斷的在提醒我們相關部會我們有專案預算我們要到位到位什麼叫到位是真正幫助需要的產業\n沒錯委員你講的也是我有請同仁要改善的地方就是說我們應該不是只有審核我們應該含輔導協助這些申請的業者怎麼樣能夠改善他的營運計畫所以我們是不是應該建構一個平台我們要不要建構一個平台一個窗口\n讓每一個各縣市這些從小企業他符合條件的他可以透過這個窗口來協助然後來得到訊息來得到諮詢的方向可以嗎?可以啊,可以可以是不是主委你可以去設立一個窗口這很重要否則難不說真的有諮詢落差\n每一次我們得到的時候都是預算已經被拿完了因為我們不是無限上綱錢永遠在那邊用不完啊每年還是有一個基數在啊這個基數在用完了就不可能還有下一個案子嘛\n所以我們是不是應該把這些基數我們在明年我們設一個窗口把這個窗口公布給所有各產業界知道各工業區知道各園區知道那麼他們就很清楚說好我今天如果有需要我要做創業轉型的時候AI轉型的時候文創轉型的時候我可以得到什麼樣的協助我可以有什麼樣的諮詢方向可不可以可以\n議員主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.732 --> 00:06.463\n謝謝主席我們請國防會主委\n\n00:14.816 --> 00:40.727\n陳委員早主委早所以我想我們現在國家發展基金目前重點的支持方向大概是有三大樣五大信賴產業AI新創產業還有綠色成長淨零產業好那我先要問說那這些跟我們所謂傳產或中小企業或是文化產業會有什麼樣的一個直接觀念你要怎麼去協助他們\n\n00:43.554 --> 01:06.851\n這個AI的基金就是在會協助到產業的AI化那我們在於像以工具機來講他需要或者是在這個螺絲業的自動化生產上面他都需要透過AI的協助誰去協助他們我們是希望投資新創事業去協助他們投資新創事業去協助他們對因為需要有企業去協助去這個發展這個產業\n\n01:08.769 --> 01:20.748\n可是主委你知不知道其實在我們很多傳產當他要跨到AI這個領域當中他其實有很多他有一些技術上的一個限制\n\n01:28.328 --> 01:38.273\n這才是現在其實很多傳展很重要的一個關鍵所以我們一直在談的就是說國家發展基金當我們一直強調我們有一些重點支持的方向\n\n01:39.153 --> 02:07.697\n五大信賴產業、AI新創產業、綠色成長精靈產業可是這些我們要怎麼跨越到讓我們的傳產可以浮至上海這也是我們國發基金非常重要的區塊否則我們看到國發基金永遠我們所支持的都是上市上櫃的公司可是轉頭看這些新創產業我們能夠得到的其實不多能夠得到我們國發基金協助的並不多\n\n02:09.212 --> 02:37.866\n所以這個其實一直都是我們一個糾結在國發基金也是我們一直被質疑的部分那我們也一直在談也謝謝我們主委在一直拜託把這個資料彙整出來也就是說我們國發基金在扶植台南地區的新創及中小企業政策相關計畫措施還有目前最新辦理進度的報告終於有這份報告\n\n02:39.346 --> 03:01.943\n我們過去所看到的都是一個整體可是我們完全沒有針對各地方去做一個總盤檢所以好不容易在10月份我們國發會有了這份資料然後我必須問這份資料請問我們可以給台南的產業有什麼樣的協助\n\n03:04.233 --> 03:15.551\n我們其實有幾個方案喔第一個是我們除了有這個創業轉型基金他可以來申請就是轉型基金那第二個部分呢我們其實有設備升級的融資的輔助\n\n03:19.377 --> 03:21.818\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分關於行政院、離島建設基金、花東地區永續發展二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n03:47.313 --> 04:02.440\n這個修法的部分那天談完之後我們會重新本來是從企業併購法從那個產創條例去改那現在是跟財政部談完之後從氣併法來修改所以我們會請經濟部開始協助修動這個法令所以可能還要再\n\n04:03.280 --> 04:07.162\n一個會期之後,就產業轉型基金的部分,因為他已經送件了,我們希望經過評審審核,如果能過的話,那會在年底會產生。那我們也會去協調一下那個AI基金,看能不能盡量協助產業的AI轉型。\n\n04:23.174 --> 04:45.082\n主委我們把你這一份資料大概把它區分出來大概有6大項第一個是直接投資方案就是申請國發基金參與投資1億元以上而且有主導性投資人他可以來申請直接投資方案第二個叫加強投資中小企業實施方案中小企業申請國發基金參與投資未達1億者沒錯\n\n04:49.183 --> 05:10.557\n第3加強投資策略性服務業實施方案也就是符合政府產業政策推動的服務業可以申請國發基金參與投資未達一億者然後加強投資策略性製造業實施方案也就是我們的製造業如果未達\n\n05:11.758 --> 05:39.242\n投資一億的部分也可以來申請再來是第5項加強投資文化創意產業實施方案反符合文化創意產業發展法第3條所稱之國內文化創意產業及文創基金第6個是創業天使投資方案這個部分是最新的就是在投資2000萬以下的可以來申請天使投資方案\n\n05:40.003 --> 05:55.464\n這是最新的我們雖然有這些方案請問台南的企業誰知道台南的企業誰知道\n\n05:58.168 --> 06:14.152\n誰來協助他們?沒有人知道欸我把這個資料然後問了我們台南的一些中小企業一些相關的產業我說你知道國發基金有這麼好的一個協助可以讓你們來提升讓你們來轉型嗎?其實很多人都不知道\n\n06:19.877 --> 06:34.276\n這個我們來強化了因為它本來我們是全台灣每一年都會有說明會每半年一次那我們可以再強化它你們每半年一次請問你們說明會的地點在哪裡\n\n06:35.407 --> 07:03.801\n我們在各縣市其實創投工業都有去啦那如果是我想針對辦我一直都強調一點不論是國發會也好經濟部也好我一直在強調你們辦說明會對象你有確定你要的對象都是當中最需要的嗎還是只是說明會應付性的反正有辦你要來就來不來就算了\n\n07:04.534 --> 07:33.154\n這個我們來強化這個我們來改善這很可惜就是說其實我們有很多的方案每一次我跟中小企業在談的時候明明我們每年省的預算從經濟部到國發會都有一些協助轉型跟創新產業投資的一些專案預算可是為什麼他們永遠都得不到永遠他們計劃書送出去就是鬼打牆\n\n07:34.366 --> 08:02.283\n因為他們不知道關鍵在哪裡當你不知道每個方案的關鍵你當然寫出來就沒有辦法符合到那個方案的關鍵用意跟它的用途所以這個才是一個我們每一次不斷的在提醒我們相關部會我們有專案預算我們要到位到位什麼叫到位是真正幫助需要的產業\n\n08:03.973 --> 08:22.025\n沒錯委員你講的也是我有請同仁要改善的地方就是說我們應該不是只有審核我們應該含輔導協助這些申請的業者怎麼樣能夠改善他的營運計畫所以我們是不是應該建構一個平台我們要不要建構一個平台一個窗口\n\n08:23.662 --> 08:47.051\n讓每一個各縣市這些從小企業他符合條件的他可以透過這個窗口來協助然後來得到訊息來得到諮詢的方向可以嗎?可以啊,可以可以是不是主委你可以去設立一個窗口這很重要否則難不說真的有諮詢落差\n\n08:48.274 --> 09:04.582\n每一次我們得到的時候都是預算已經被拿完了因為我們不是無限上綱錢永遠在那邊用不完啊每年還是有一個基數在啊這個基數在用完了就不可能還有下一個案子嘛\n\n09:05.532 --> 09:32.443\n所以我們是不是應該把這些基數我們在明年我們設一個窗口把這個窗口公布給所有各產業界知道各工業區知道各園區知道那麼他們就很清楚說好我今天如果有需要我要做創業轉型的時候AI轉型的時候文創轉型的時候我可以得到什麼樣的協助我可以有什麼樣的諮詢方向可不可以可以\n\n09:33.323 --> 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委員亭妃：我拿這個資料問了我們臺南的一些中小企業、一些相關產業，我問他們知道國發基金有這麼好的協助，可以讓他們提升、轉型嗎？其實很多人都不知道。"],["劉主任委員鏡清：好，這個我們來強化，本來全臺灣都會有說明會，每半年一次，這部分我們再來強化。"],["陳委員亭妃：你們每半年一次，請問說明會的地點在哪裡？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：在各縣市，其實創投公會都有去，我想針對……"],["陳委員亭妃：好，但我一直強調一點，不論是國發會或經濟部，你們辦說明會時，在對象部分，你們有確定邀的對象都是當中最需要的嗎？還是只是應付性質，反正有辦說明會，要來就來，不來就算了？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：這個我們來強化，我們來改善。"],["陳委員亭妃：這很可惜，每一次我跟中小企業討論的時候，明明每年審查預算時，從經濟部到國發會都會有一些協助轉型跟創新產業投資的專案預算，可是為什麼他們永遠都得不到，他們的計畫書送出去，永遠都是鬼打牆？因為他們不知道關鍵在哪裡，當你不知道每個方案的關鍵，寫出來的計畫就沒有辦法符合那個方案的關鍵用意跟用途，這才是我們每一次不斷提醒相關部會的地方，我們有專案預算，但我們要到位，什麼叫到位？就是真正幫助需要的產業。"],["劉主任委員鏡清：沒錯，委員講的問題，我也有請同仁要改善，也就是我們不是只有審核，應該要含輔導、協助這些申請業者，讓他們能夠改善他的營運計畫……"],["陳委員亭妃：所以我們是不是應該建構一個平臺？我們要不要建構一個平臺、一個窗口，讓各縣市符合條件的中小企業，可以透過這個窗口的協助得到訊息、得到諮詢的方向，可以嗎？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：可以，可以啊！"],["陳委員亭妃：請主委設立一個窗口，這很重要，否則南部說真的有資訊落差，每一次當我們得知的時候，都是預算已經被拿完了，因為我們不是無限上綱，錢永遠在那邊用不完，每年還是有一個基數在啊！基數用完了，就不可能還有下一個案子嘛！所以針對這些基數，我們是不是應該在明年設一個窗口，透過這個窗口公布給各產業界知道、給各工業區知道、給各園區知道？那麼他們就很清楚如果他們有需要，他們要做創業轉型、AI轉型、文創轉型的時候，他們可以得到什麼樣的協助、他們可以有什麼樣的諮詢方向，可不可以？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：可以。"],["陳委員亭妃：拜託主委，我們希望明年在執行的時候，1月1日應該就有這樣的資訊給所有的產業界知道我們的窗口在哪裡、平臺在哪裡，好不好？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：好的。"],["陳委員亭妃：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝陳亭妃委員，主委請回座。","剛剛陳亭妃委員說的的確非常重要，你不能只提出改善計畫或者去加強，你要有具體的作法，你要有素質啊！主委先請坐。創投公會只集中在臺北，臺中以南包括臺南、高雄，你看你扶植的新創產業哪有一家是南部的？全部都是臺北市或新北市的，沒有一家是南部的，這樣你沒辦法交代啊！這個部分一定要素質化，你要有一個具體的目標，你每年扶植的新創事業，國發基金、天使基金投資的新創產業要有一半是針對中南部的新創事業，你們給我的資料全部都是臺北市或新北市，沒有一家是南部的，所以我要求你們要在南部設立辦公室，創投公會在南部有辦公室嗎？沒有辦公室啊！南部的這些新創業者，他怎麼透過創投公會來投資呢？你們也沒有一個輔導的機制，針對這一點，剛剛陳亭妃委員講的非常重要，經濟委員會有8位都是在中南部，等於三分之二都在中南部，但你們對於中南部的新創事業、微小型企業一點照顧都沒有，說得難聽一點就是一點照顧都沒有！一間都沒有，這真的不行。針對這個部分，我跟陳亭妃委員、賴瑞隆委員一定會嚴格監督，未來國發基金投資的新創事業，對中南部如果沒有任何協助的話，這一點就是你們很大的失職。我希望主委把它當成一個很大的使命，不是很抽象的一個描述而已，也不是說會加強改善而已，一定要拿出具體的成績。"],["陳委員亭妃：主席，我剛剛講到的是希望1月1號先把這個平臺設置出來，起碼讓我們知道有一個窗口。"],["主席：現在有平臺，只是這個平臺沒有到南部去，創投公會只有在北部嘛！"],["陳委員亭妃：對，就是南部的窗口要設置出來。"],["主席：對，然後你要怎麼樣讓這些中小型的新創事業知道怎麼去申請國發基金，你還要有一個天使投資人搭配，這當中有很多程序，中南部這些年輕人都不知道，所以不能在臺北看天下、不能在臺北看臺灣，這部分我語重心長的跟國發會的同仁具體勉勵，請你們要有具體的成績。"],["劉主任委員鏡清：會的。"],["主席：好，謝謝。","下一位質詢請鄭天財委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":214,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-19-16","speakers":["邱志偉","林岱樺","邱議瑩","張啓楷","鄭正鈐","陳亭妃","鄭天財Sra 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