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00:02:40,215\n中央政府總預算案關於國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主管收支部分。．僅詢答．\n\n9\n00:02:54,381 --> 00:03:13,521\n跟保險公司的理賠那自從有了就醫這個所謂的保險理賠一起通之後他們可以透過線上一件服務跟其中一家受險公司來合作之後就可以連結到多家這是可以避免\n\n10\n00:03:14,102 --> 00:03:43,556\n就是一直一直不斷這對醫院來講也是減少人力而且是綠色環保但是呢1.01.5到2.0其實其中是有差異的並不是所有我們的現在所退服會所管轄的所有的榮民的醫院都有參與那麼1.01.5跟2.0我想要問一下劉處長您知不知道差異在哪裡其實我上面已經寫了\n\n11\n00:03:45,260 --> 00:04:08,867\n報委員,1.5跟2.0的差異就是原上它是全自動化,那1.5跟1.0它可能是屬於半自動半人工的狀況。所以說是不是2.0會是更優於1.5?是,2.0是目前最便捷的,跟醫院的電腦資訊系統能夠架接的,速度最快的。好,我講一個比較直白的,就是1.5它所拿到的是PDF檔,\n\n12\n00:04:09,747 --> 00:04:34,205\nPDF檔就是像我現在手上這樣一張紙列印出來然後丟進去變成一個無法動的照片檔但是它無法嫁接受險公會相關或者是其他保險公司的系統就是沒有辦法去直接申請還是要透過人力所以2.0可以直接嫁接這些保險公司對嗎是可以直接嫁接就可以避免到人力上面的\n\n13\n00:04:35,146 --> 00:04:35,687\n本席在要資料的時候\n\n14\n00:05:03,830 --> 00:05:27,855\n19號我拿到的是告訴我這個2.0加入的醫院包括臺北臺中高雄跟屏東四家都已經加入了那麼過去月本席待在財委會我透過受選工會所拿到的資料卻不是這樣只有北榮加入這是如果我沒有深入追我今天站在這裡質詢的時候我所拿到的可能就是一個錯誤的資訊\n\n15\n00:05:30,135 --> 00:05:54,576\n處長你知道這個事情嗎?知道,因為那個我們有從現在去做過一個調查所以剛剛報告的是最新更正的資料好,那麼我想要問一下這個陳文明陳院長您現在是唯一有加入2.0系統也就是說只有在北榮就醫的榮民榮眷他們可以直接快速的借接到其他公司其他的受險公司保險公司來進行理賠所以2.0跟1.5之間的差異是什麼?\n\n16\n00:05:57,478 --> 00:06:17,186\n包括林委員這個是很重要可以讓病人更方便我們從1.0版就開始做發現治安跟隱私沒有外洩的問題這個是前提因為保護治安跟隱私那所以實情的沒有問題之後我們大膽的加入2.0就是不用人工上傳那和保險公司自動接接\n\n17\n00:06:18,186 --> 00:06:42,217\n那那個病人不用到處去申請那個診斷書那這是一個非常便民的做法我相信我們輔導會各個兄弟醫院應該都會跟著去好所以我想要請問的就是目前我整理的資料就是如上只有北榮加入了2.0那麼已經上線1.5的臺中榮總高雄還有屏東跟北榮的新竹分院其他\n\n18\n00:06:43,237 --> 00:06:49,583\n已經簽約但是沒有上線的這些分院甚至於是沒有加入的分院要如何處理呢?處長\n\n19\n00:06:53,047 --> 00:07:21,293\n報告委員我們現在還有6家沒有加入主要是第一個考量是因為他們來開這個診斷證明的人數比較少所以當初他們就沒有想到要去加入那事實上透過這個總院的加入的經驗之後會分享給分院來做一個輔導尤其是資訊的部分的嫁接的部分一定要先確認不會影響到整個醫院治安的運作所以這部分我們會去慢慢輔導其他6家醫院來加入這個系統有沒有一個時間表或期程因為剛剛前面前言講這麼多就是因為我們希望能夠\n\n20\n00:07:22,574 --> 00:07:38,172\n服務變名快速而且精準那麼已經上線的已經簽約但沒有上線的這五家他的時間點是什麼時候會完成然後沒有加入的你的時間期程又是如何現在可以給我答案嗎還是回去之後要交報告\n\n21\n00:07:41,608 --> 00:08:08,729\n我們現在下去瞭解一下各院的目前2.0跟1.5執行上有沒有自然難行的問題如果可以的話我們盡快去輔導這六家看可不可以在三個月之內加入好因為你想想看從鳳林難道還要跑到臺北的北榮嗎不可能那麼對他們這些其他地區其實就是因為比較偏遠偏鄉或者是距離城市比較遠那麼這個服務我相信對他們來講會更需要好那麼三個月內\n\n22\n00:08:09,950 --> 00:08:22,542\n希望能夠加入好嗎那其他的期程再請我們辦公室還有這個相關的國防委員會的委員來做報告是好接下來最後一個我想跳到這一題要問主委其他院長可以請回我想這個等一下11點鐘我們台灣的\n\n23\n00:08:25,916 --> 00:08:49,436\n英雄健兒們這個臺灣男團我們的棒球隊將要迎戰復賽之後的首場戰役那麼本席其實過去也都是棒球迷只是現在比較忙沒有那麼多的時間可以來看跟主席借最後一點時間就是榮工棒球隊我想對於許多棒球迷來說過去都是非常重要的但是隨著這個2009年這個榮工迷化之後就走進歷史了\n\n24\n00:08:53,880 --> 00:09:15,225\n那我要強調的是包括像牛棚投手王建民或者是外野守備的教練張建民他們其實過去都是我們榮工輕棒出來的我們知道要養一個棒球隊不容易我也不會要求退輔會去做這樣的事情但是我們退輔會有22家轉投資公司對吧\n\n25\n00:09:16,655 --> 00:09:40,772\n那這22家轉投資公司有沒有可能也一起來贊助成為贊助商也好或者是用其他的方式來支持棒球好嗎各位委員報告當年的融共棒球隊主要是政府全額投資的人民公司那現在已經停止了109年這公司也停了那現在我們輔導會這些轉投資事業\n\n26\n00:09:43,214 --> 00:10:10,525\n他主要是民營的公司而且我們退伍會只有部分的持股那麼相關的營運他主要依註在我們安置基金就是安置我們退居官兵的就學就業的方面他的營運是這樣子來用所以謝謝委員給我們的肯定那在這些投資公司我想在做這件事情的人力方面而且這裡面還牽涉到很多的民股要董事會要決定可能有一些自然\n\n27\n00:10:10,865 --> 00:10:27,062\n好我只是覺得過去喔這個融攻棒球在許多人的記憶當中是非常光榮的一頁但如果有機會的話退服會轉投資的這些事業體其實也可以考慮因為這對於公司的ESG也是可以加分的好吧謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n369\t9894\t謝謝主席主席我想要請退府會原主委就醫保健處劉處長臺北榮總陳院長臺中榮總副副院長高雄榮總陳院長跟屏東榮總吳院長謝謝您好\n20694\t31831\t主委好首先我先問一個基本資料的問題喔主委我想請問一下我們退輔會所服務的這些榮民榮券大概他都是從幾歲到幾歲\n34899\t57595\t我們第二類是比較年輕,第二類大概就是25歲26歲開始,然後一直到現在我們有百歲的人類。是,好,所以但是當然有一些是比較早就退役的這個軍中弟兄,那麼成為榮民,但是多數大概都是年長者對不對?是。\n58456\t80351\t而且我們後面您現在背後的這些醫療院所的院長們也都非常的辛苦他們除了提供醫療服務然後尤其是在這個醫療之後常常發生的一個問題就是理賠的問題我不知道主委自己本身都怎麼樣處理你的這個如果就醫之後的理賠或是主委身體很健康沒有用到過這個相關的醫療理賠\n86963\t104806\t主委我是問你啊不是問後面啦對你有沒有自己這個在我們的北榮或是其他榮總然後有這個就醫之後然後要到醫院拿著醫院的這個理賠單就醫證明然後去辦理保險的理賠有沒有還是說您都是夫人或是祕書助理代勞就參加理賠\n116461\t116821\t在2021.2021年5月\n139787\t156559\t受險公會跟所有的保險公司跟北榮等22家醫院他們推動了保險理賠一起來那一起通2.0他的好處是什麼就是剛剛我講的其實我們很多的\n158154\t160215\t中央政府總預算案關於國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主管收支部分。．僅詢答．\n174381\t193521\t跟保險公司的理賠那自從有了就醫這個所謂的保險理賠一起通之後他們可以透過線上一件服務跟其中一家受險公司來合作之後就可以連結到多家這是可以避免\n194102\t223556\t就是一直一直不斷這對醫院來講也是減少人力而且是綠色環保但是呢1.0 1.5到2.0其實其中是有差異的並不是所有我們的現在所退服會所管轄的所有的榮民的醫院都有參與那麼1.0 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因為你想想看從鳳林難道還要跑到臺北的北榮嗎不可能那麼對他們這些其他地區其實就是因為比較偏遠偏鄉或者是距離城市比較遠那麼這個服務我相信對他們來講會更需要好 那麼三個月內\n489950\t502542\t希望能夠加入好嗎那其他的期程再請我們辦公室還有這個相關的國防委員會的委員來做報告是好接下來最後一個我想跳到這一題要問主委其他院長可以請回我想這個等一下11點鐘我們台灣的\n505916\t529436\t英雄健兒們這個臺灣男團我們的棒球隊將要迎戰復賽之後的首場戰役那麼本席其實過去也都是棒球迷只是現在比較忙沒有那麼多的時間可以來看跟主席借最後一點時間就是榮工棒球隊我想對於許多棒球迷來說過去都是非常重要的但是隨著這個2009年這個榮工迷化之後就走進歷史了\n533880\t555225\t那我要強調的是包括像牛棚投手王建民或者是外野守備的教練張建民他們其實過去都是我們榮工輕棒出來的我們知道要養一個棒球隊不容易我也不會要求退輔會去做這樣的事情但是我們退輔會有22家轉投資公司對吧\n556655\t580772\t那這22家轉投資公司有沒有可能也一起來贊助成為贊助商也好或者是用其他的方式來支持棒球好嗎各位委員報告當年的融共棒球隊主要是政府全額投資的人民公司那現在已經停止了109年這公司也停了那現在我們輔導會這些轉投資事業\n583214\t610525\t他主要是民營的公司而且我們退伍會只有部分的持股那麼相關的營運他主要依註在我們安置基金就是安置我們退居官兵的就學就業的方面他的營運是這樣子來用所以謝謝委員給我們的肯定那在這些投資公司我想在做這件事情的人力方面而且這裡面還牽涉到很多的民股要董事會要決定可能有一些自然\n610865\t627062\t好我只是覺得過去喔這個融攻棒球在許多人的記憶當中是非常光榮的一頁但如果有機會的話退服會轉投資的這些事業體其實也可以考慮因為這對於公司的ESG也是可以加分的好吧謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席主席我想要請退府會原主委就醫保健處劉處長臺北榮總陳院長臺中榮總副副院長高雄榮總陳院長跟屏東榮總吳院長謝謝您好\n主委好首先我先問一個基本資料的問題喔主委我想請問一下我們退輔會所服務的這些榮民榮券大概他都是從幾歲到幾歲\n我們第二類是比較年輕,第二類大概就是25歲26歲開始,然後一直到現在我們有百歲的人類。是,好,所以但是當然有一些是比較早就退役的這個軍中弟兄,那麼成為榮民,但是多數大概都是年長者對不對?是。\n而且我們後面您現在背後的這些醫療院所的院長們也都非常的辛苦他們除了提供醫療服務然後尤其是在這個醫療之後常常發生的一個問題就是理賠的問題我不知道主委自己本身都怎麼樣處理你的這個如果就醫之後的理賠或是主委身體很健康沒有用到過這個相關的醫療理賠\n主委我是問你啊不是問後面啦對你有沒有自己這個在我們的北榮或是其他榮總然後有這個就醫之後然後要到醫院拿著醫院的這個理賠單就醫證明然後去辦理保險的理賠有沒有還是說您都是夫人或是祕書助理代勞就參加理賠\n在2021.2021年5月\n受險公會跟所有的保險公司跟北榮等22家醫院他們推動了保險理賠一起來那一起通2.0他的好處是什麼就是剛剛我講的其實我們很多的\n中央政府總預算案關於國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主管收支部分。．僅詢答．\n跟保險公司的理賠那自從有了就醫這個所謂的保險理賠一起通之後他們可以透過線上一件服務跟其中一家受險公司來合作之後就可以連結到多家這是可以避免\n就是一直一直不斷這對醫院來講也是減少人力而且是綠色環保但是呢1.0 1.5到2.0其實其中是有差異的並不是所有我們的現在所退服會所管轄的所有的榮民的醫院都有參與那麼1.0 1.5跟2.0我想要問一下劉處長您知不知道差異在哪裡其實我上面已經寫了\n報委員,1.5跟2.0的差異就是原上它是全自動化,那1.5跟1.0它可能是屬於半自動半人工的狀況。所以說是不是2.0會是更優於1.5?是,2.0是目前最便捷的,跟醫院的電腦資訊系統能夠架接的,速度最快的。好,我講一個比較直白的,就是1.5它所拿到的是PDF檔,\nPDF檔就是像我現在手上這樣一張紙列印出來然後丟進去變成一個無法動的照片檔但是它無法嫁接受險公會相關或者是其他保險公司的系統就是沒有辦法去直接申請還是要透過人力所以2.0可以直接嫁接這些保險公司對嗎是可以直接嫁接就可以避免到人力上面的\n本席在要資料的時候\n19號我拿到的是告訴我這個2.0加入的醫院包括臺北臺中高雄跟屏東四家都已經加入了那麼過去月本席待在財委會我透過受選工會所拿到的資料卻不是這樣只有北榮加入這是如果我沒有深入追我今天站在這裡質詢的時候我所拿到的可能就是一個錯誤的資訊\n處長你知道這個事情嗎?知道,因為那個我們有從現在去做過一個調查所以剛剛報告的是最新更正的資料好,那麼我想要問一下這個陳文明陳院長您現在是唯一有加入2.0系統也就是說只有在北榮就醫的榮民榮眷他們可以直接快速的借接到其他公司其他的受險公司保險公司來進行理賠所以2.0跟1.5之間的差異是什麼?\n包括林委員這個是很重要可以讓病人更方便我們從1.0版就開始做發現治安跟隱私沒有外洩的問題這個是前提因為保護治安跟隱私那所以實情的沒有問題之後我們大膽的加入2.0就是不用人工上傳那和保險公司自動接接\n那那個病人不用到處去申請那個診斷書那這是一個非常便民的做法我相信我們輔導會各個兄弟醫院應該都會跟著去好所以我想要請問的就是目前我整理的資料就是如上只有北榮加入了2.0那麼已經上線1.5的臺中榮總高雄還有屏東跟北榮的新竹分院其他\n已經簽約但是沒有上線的這些分院甚至於是沒有加入的分院要如何處理呢?處長\n報告委員我們現在還有6家沒有加入主要是第一個考量是因為他們來開這個診斷證明的人數比較少所以當初他們就沒有想到要去加入那事實上透過這個總院的加入的經驗之後會分享給分院來做一個輔導尤其是資訊的部分的嫁接的部分一定要先確認不會影響到整個醫院治安的運作所以這部分我們會去慢慢輔導其他6家醫院來加入這個系統有沒有一個時間表或期程因為剛剛前面前言講這麼多就是因為我們希望能夠\n服務變名快速而且精準那麼已經上線的已經簽約但沒有上線的這五家他的時間點是什麼時候會完成然後沒有加入的你的時間期程又是如何現在可以給我答案嗎還是回去之後要交報告\n我們現在下去瞭解一下各院的目前2.0跟1.5執行上有沒有自然難行的問題如果可以的話我們盡快去輔導這六家看可不可以在三個月之內加入好 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