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00:03:06,159\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化基金附屬單位預算案。\n\n10\n00:03:23,817 --> 00:03:53,137\n報告委員這兩億是從包括現在有社群平台像是YouTube、X、Twitter或者是這個MSN等等經過他們各自所提供的後台數字所加總還有我們是你們加總的是不是對那因為各後台所計算的基礎不同有些只能提供這個來源的人數有些不提供背景所以我們把整個點擊觀看的次數加總而得的這個所以你覺得兩億很棒是不是沒有還要繼續努力兩億也可以灌水啦沒有我們我們來看一下我們來看一下TownPlus我拿到的資料好不好\n\n11\n00:03:53,917 --> 00:04:13,579\n大概六成以上都是菲律賓人在看啊。我請教一下為什麼菲律賓人特別喜歡台灣Plus?因為今年上半年有很多南海議題我們做了相關報導跟論壇剛好有…所以是菲律賓為主回大中台灣Plus是菲律賓為大中我們講台灣跟整個亞洲的題目不好意思喔當初台灣Plus在設定的時候目標對象是誰?\n\n12\n00:04:14,690 --> 00:04:36,318\n是誰?是全世界的觀眾。全世界的觀眾以哪裡為主?全世界的觀眾都會是我們主要的企業。以北美為主。北美是我們主要的企業。你看一下好不好?除了北美,然後今年把新加坡加進來了。目標市場,要不要念一下?北美與新加坡。報告委員,就是2023年那一年的設定目標先從北美跟新加坡。對,所以你們每一年你們就是根據你們就是根據你們實際上狀況調整嘛。\n\n13\n00:04:41,020 --> 00:05:04,334\n對不對本來APP100萬做不到改成兩層然後呢目標市場本來設定北美跟新加坡然後因為做不到那我們就改成菲律賓話都是你們在講啦今天如果說你只有花100萬我相信大家也不會來這邊監督啦你花的是幾十億欸幾十億然後你拿到這樣的效果你還在那邊沾沾自喜覺得自己很棒那接下來還要花多少錢要不要100億要不要200億\n\n14\n00:05:10,595 --> 00:05:20,345\n請你們檢討改進好不好不要還在那邊沾沾自喜覺得自己已經很棒了請教一下你們說川普是一個被定罪的重刑犯對吧\n\n15\n00:05:21,254 --> 00:05:40,513\n我是在這個選舉後以這個然後後來那個新聞下架了嘛因為在記者描述上我們覺得需要調整可以改進對所以你們下架了因為你們按照你們的說法是因為那個是語意的問題不應該在當選的那一天講說最後美國人選擇了一個重刑犯你覺得這樣語意不妥所以你把它下架了對吧\n\n16\n00:05:42,354 --> 00:06:05,210\n那個文字本身是各大公共媒體都在用的,就是說在記者報導論述的前後我們覺得可以更好...對嘛,就是語意嘛,前後文語意嘛。對嘛,但是你們不認為說報導川普是一個重刑犯有問題,因為他是一個客觀的描述嘛。所以,實際上現在在台灣Plus的新聞裡面,還有非常多則的報導是描述川普為一個重刑犯,因為我也去看過了。但是這一點你們認為是OK的,因為你們...等一下,我還沒有問問題。\n\n17\n00:06:09,253 --> 00:06:32,782\n因為你們認為說川普他就是一個重刑犯啊講他是重刑犯有錯嗎所以我看到你們現在網站上還有一則新聞他就是講說川普的支持者在海湖山莊幫他慶祝的時候這個很高興因為川普呢重版白宮而且川普他是一個重刑犯你們認為這OK的因為那個是事實的描述對吧因為後來你們發新聞稿也是這樣回應的嘛\n\n18\n00:06:33,602 --> 00:06:52,758\n我們在新聞裡面用那個費洛尼的是用美國現有的這個定罪的一個描述。對嘛,你們認為那個就是一個描述嘛,你們不認為說描述川普是重刑犯有什麼問題嘛。那我就請教一下啦,為什麼在你們台灣plus的新聞裡面這麼喜歡講到川普是一個重刑犯?他沒有別的形容詞了嗎?\n\n19\n00:06:54,783 --> 00:07:07,516\n今天李遠部長也在旁邊李遠部長他我也可以有很多形容詞來形容他東去幽默的一個作家我們的文化部長或者是說他是以前台北市長柯文哲競選總部總幹事\n\n20\n00:07:09,258 --> 00:07:31,223\n然後呢每一次我只要講到李遠部長的時候我就一直講李遠部長來了他是柯文哲的總幹事喔李遠部長如何如何他是柯文哲總幹事我就一直強化他是柯文哲總幹事這件事情我有沒有錯沒有因為我是客觀性的描述但是為什麼我故意就這樣一直講這件事情一直講這件事情如果今天李遠部長在那邊他會覺得說欸等一下我還沒有問問題\n\n21\n00:07:35,637 --> 00:07:38,719\n五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化基金附屬單位預算案。\n\n22\n00:07:59,091 --> 00:08:20,557\n新聞是他支持者在海湖山莊幫他慶功你還要去講說他這個重刑犯你要講多久你們才高興我跟你講啦台灣你們還不認錯那沒有關係嘛台灣Plus就是我們外交人員的豬隊友因為我們台美外交官這麼認真在拓展外交關係我們的這個台灣Plus的經營者覺得我就是客觀描述有錯嗎\n\n23\n00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:42,290\n你就繼續這樣講啦,繼續這樣講啦。所以我覺得台灣普拉斯如果要這樣啦,成效不髒,就算了。我們做很多事情是先搶求不傷身體,再搶求效果。沒有效果也就罷了,錢又花了。還要當我們台美關心的豬隊友,那你就繼續,你就繼續。接下來喔,我想問部長,台灣普拉斯花了這麼多錢,\n\n24\n00:08:48,603 --> 00:09:02,172\n我認為錢花下去要有效果本業要先做好再想其他的剛剛也有委員在關心我們現在公視跟華視要出3000萬成立一個AI創新公司對不對對吧他是一個新創科技公司請問一下在公視法裡面哪一條是說公視可以有成立這樣的新公司是哪一條\n\n25\n00:09:18,285 --> 00:09:19,646\n投資他事業那也要業務需要進行投資啊?\n\n26\n00:09:44,755 --> 00:09:44,895\n議員主席議員主席\n\n27\n00:10:08,700 --> 00:10:13,363\nadequatetothenewrevenueofHuashi.\n\n28\n00:10:32,276 --> 00:10:54,707\n你知不知道現在公視在進行這種會議的時候全部要求董監事一定要簽保密協議我們現在在立法院質詢都可以公開直播讓全民來看了為什麼公視花人民的納稅錢在進行投資的時候要求董監事一定要保密協議然後不能夠讓人家監督為什麼為什麼要搞黑箱作業\n\n29\n00:10:56,493 --> 00:11:23,315\n部長,我覺得他從以前到現在都是要簽一個保密,並不是黑箱。是,那部長你認為公視跟華視要成立創新投資公司應不應該要受到監督?應不應該?當然是啊。那請把開會的資料公開好不好?保密協議也公開,我不知道這有什麼保密的必要啊?你如果人員的薪水各自要保密啊,你現在公視進行投資都要保密這是為什麼?\n\n30\n00:11:24,315 --> 00:11:45,300\n怎麼可以公開?通過之後應該可以公開現在我們就要監督啦部長現在你知道大家擔心什麼事嗎?大家現在擔心的是說3000萬第一年1000萬轉給不知道哪一家公司第二年1000萬轉給不知道哪一家公司第三年1000萬不知道轉給哪一家公司3000萬就沒啦然後別人賺的飽飽啊\n\n31\n00:11:47,120 --> 00:12:08,672\n然後完全不能夠監督欸這個委員我跟您報告這種事情不會發生再多那是你在講啊如果說你講的都是事實的話那台灣plus當初設定APP100萬為什麼現在變20萬你們都是永遠在滾動式調整啊永遠都是時空環境變了所以大家才要事前先督嘛我現在就問了可不可以公開啊\n\n32\n00:12:10,339 --> 00:12:32,755\n如果這整個案子通過...不是通過,現在就要監督,因為現在大家就是擔心,你現在投資失敗誰負責?你現在投三千萬,整個轉出去,轉給下包,轉給自己人,誰負責?而且公司現在講說要成立這家公司,大家根本看不出來有成立的必要。根本看不出來有成立的必要。\n\n33\n00:12:34,151 --> 00:12:52,221\n我同意公開公開是不是把所有這個投資比如說投資目的然後未來的營運計畫你最後要怎麼做怎麼賺錢全部公開讓大家來看否則的話連這個東西都要搞黑箱這個我覺得這個大家是不能接受的啦不然你同意吧\n\n34\n00:12:55,578 --> 00:13:22,008\n不是我其實不是黑箱因為也有蠻多企業家寫信給我希望我鼓勵這個事情因為華氏的虧損一直沒有辦法停止不是部長華氏的虧損是你要把本業弄好華氏的虧損不是你不是你去成立一個AI創新公司靠AI來賺錢不然你後面那個董事長去AI公司當董事長不要來做公廣的董事長公廣的主要目的要賺錢是要把你的戲劇做好\n\n35\n00:13:23,530 --> 00:13:41,035\n瓜斯已經做得比過去好捏。瓜斯已經做得比過去好捏。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒辦法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒辦法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒辦法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒辦法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒辦法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒法賺錢嗎\n\n36\n00:13:41,855 --> 00:14:08,863\n慢慢慢慢有一點點站起來了所以請委員...不是,部長如果說你在本業上面你需要經濟我們都支持現在的問題是你說華社虧損我要靠成立一個AI投資公司來賺錢而且3000萬我聽起來我覺得很傻眼我真的覺得非常傻眼而且這個董事長據說是明年5月就卸任了嘛對吧在卸任前半年進行這麼大的一個投資計畫\n\n37\n00:14:10,903 --> 00:14:13,585\n議員議員你讓我講一句話我所認識的胡董不是這樣的人\n\n38\n00:14:31,909 --> 00:14:48,645\n那是你認識的啊?那是你認識的胡董嗎?跟大家認識的不見得同一個人啊?他是一個非常正直的人,所以委員您講的我可以幫他打保證啊。部長,因為胡董快要下台了,因為按照規定半年前要領選新的董事長,請問現在有新的董事長人選嗎?\n\n39\n00:14:52,510 --> 00:15:06,768\n您問的問題我們在進行中就是跟行政院去函給立法院要成立一個審議委員會按照政壇比例所以關於這個你就知道我以為是這樣可是你的好朋友余天在受訪的時候\n\n40\n00:15:07,108 --> 00:15:09,570\n愚天我不認識喔!愚天我不認識喔!愚天我不認識喔!\n\n41\n00:15:24,983 --> 00:15:28,366\n五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化基金附屬單位預算案。\n\n42\n00:16:12,170 --> 00:16:15,978\n不然我跟你講現在全台灣一拜以上以為公廣的董事長是這樣來的啦。好謝謝葉雲智委員謝謝。謝謝謝謝。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n69\t530\t委員質詢馬上請部長謝謝好 李部長\n18491\t37940\t市長好,當初民進黨政府說要成立台灣Plus,4年編58億,說要打造跟BBC還有NHK一樣的這種東營的平台。那到目前為止,部長你自己覺得效果有達到嗎?我們現在有像BBC跟NHK一樣那麼厲害嗎?\n39060\t41961\t五十八億不夠要五百八十億才做是不是?當然不是當然不是因為當初也是你們民進黨政府講說要做這個事嗎?\n56888\t58309\t五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化基金附屬單位預算案。\n79661\t80302\t這點我是要請董事長講。\n102130\t102810\t所以目標可以亂訂喔?\n130680\t158055\t所以我今天可以隨便喊一個一百萬然後做不到之後我就下修現在下修到當初快五分之一了耶那以後民進黨政府講的話我們都不相信啊跟我們要錢說要做到什麼地方然後反正最後做不到我再下修目標還可以這樣我就隨便掰理由就好了啊我們有甄列其他新的規管新指標不是啦因為你那個時候跟大家講說為什麼要那麼多錢嘛因為我要做到一百萬下載量是你們講的嘛\n159476\t182916\t現在就沒有做到嘛。我沒有在那個時候服務這件事。你沒有服務那你上來講幹嘛?你代表政府在那邊講啊。每個人如果推給前朝就好了啦。第一個我不能接受是說花這麼多錢,目標達不到,然後我們用下修目標的方式來提高那個達成率。而且你們下修目標之後達成率都只有七成而已。\n183737\t186159\t二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化基金附屬單位預算案。\n203817\t233137\t報告委員這兩億是從包括現在有社群平台像是YouTube、X、Twitter或者是這個MSN等等經過他們各自所提供的後台數字所加總還有我們是你們加總的是不是對那因為各後台所計算的基礎不同有些只能提供這個來源的人數有些不提供背景所以我們把整個點擊觀看的次數加總而得的這個所以你覺得兩億很棒是不是沒有還要繼續努力兩億也可以灌水啦沒有我們我們來看一下我們來看一下Town Plus我拿到的資料好不好\n233917\t253579\t大概六成以上都是菲律賓人在看啊。我請教一下為什麼菲律賓人特別喜歡台灣Plus?因為今年上半年有很多南海議題我們做了相關報導跟論壇剛好有…所以是菲律賓為主回大中台灣Plus是菲律賓為大中我們講台灣跟整個亞洲的題目不好意思喔當初台灣Plus在設定的時候目標對象是誰?\n254690\t276318\t是誰?是全世界的觀眾。全世界的觀眾以哪裡為主?全世界的觀眾都會是我們主要的企業。以北美為主。北美是我們主要的企業。你看一下好不好?除了北美,然後今年把新加坡加進來了。目標市場,要不要念一下?北美與新加坡。報告委員,就是2023年那一年的設定目標先從北美跟新加坡。對,所以你們每一年你們就是根據你們就是根據你們實際上狀況調整嘛。\n281020\t304334\t對不對本來APP100萬做不到改成兩層然後呢目標市場本來設定北美跟新加坡然後因為做不到那我們就改成菲律賓話都是你們在講啦今天如果說你只有花100萬我相信大家也不會來這邊監督啦你花的是幾十億欸幾十億然後你拿到這樣的效果你還在那邊沾沾自喜覺得自己很棒那接下來還要花多少錢要不要100億要不要200億\n310595\t320345\t請你們檢討改進好不好不要還在那邊沾沾自喜覺得自己已經很棒了請教一下你們說川普是一個被定罪的重刑犯對吧\n321254\t340513\t我是在這個選舉後以這個然後後來那個新聞下架了嘛因為在記者描述上我們覺得需要調整可以改進對所以你們下架了因為你們按照你們的說法是因為那個是語意的問題不應該在當選的那一天講說最後美國人選擇了一個重刑犯你覺得這樣語意不妥所以你把它下架了對吧\n342354\t365210\t那個文字本身是各大公共媒體都在用的,就是說在記者報導論述的前後我們覺得可以更好...對嘛,就是語意嘛,前後文語意嘛。對嘛,但是你們不認為說報導川普是一個重刑犯有問題,因為他是一個客觀的描述嘛。所以,實際上現在在台灣Plus的新聞裡面,還有非常多則的報導是描述川普為一個重刑犯,因為我也去看過了。但是這一點你們認為是OK的,因為你們...等一下,我還沒有問問題。\n369253\t392782\t因為你們認為說川普他就是一個重刑犯啊講他是重刑犯有錯嗎所以我看到你們現在網站上還有一則新聞他就是講說川普的支持者在海湖山莊幫他慶祝的時候這個很高興因為川普呢重版白宮而且川普他是一個重刑犯你們認為這OK的因為那個是事實的描述對吧因為後來你們發新聞稿也是這樣回應的嘛\n393602\t412758\t我們在新聞裡面用那個費洛尼的是用美國現有的這個定罪的一個描述。對嘛,你們認為那個就是一個描述嘛,你們不認為說描述川普是重刑犯有什麼問題嘛。那我就請教一下啦,為什麼在你們台灣plus的新聞裡面這麼喜歡講到川普是一個重刑犯?他沒有別的形容詞了嗎?\n414783\t427516\t今天李遠部長也在旁邊李遠部長他我也可以有很多形容詞來形容他東去幽默的一個作家我們的文化部長或者是說他是以前台北市長柯文哲競選總部總幹事\n429258\t451223\t然後呢每一次我只要講到李遠部長的時候我就一直講李遠部長來了他是柯文哲的總幹事喔李遠部長如何如何他是柯文哲總幹事我就一直強化他是柯文哲總幹事這件事情我有沒有錯沒有因為我是客觀性的描述但是為什麼我故意就這樣一直講這件事情一直講這件事情如果今天李遠部長在那邊他會覺得說欸等一下我還沒有問問題\n455637\t458719\t五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化基金附屬單位預算案。\n479091\t500557\t新聞是他支持者在海湖山莊幫他慶功你還要去講說他這個重刑犯你要講多久你們才高興我跟你講啦台灣你們還不認錯那沒有關係嘛台灣Plus就是我們外交人員的豬隊友因為我們台美外交官這麼認真在拓展外交關係我們的這個台灣Plus的經營者覺得我就是客觀描述有錯嗎\n501960\t522290\t你就繼續這樣講啦,繼續這樣講啦。所以我覺得台灣普拉斯如果要這樣啦,成效不髒,就算了。我們做很多事情是先搶求不傷身體,再搶求效果。沒有效果也就罷了,錢又花了。還要當我們台美關心的豬隊友,那你就繼續,你就繼續。接下來喔,我想問部長,台灣普拉斯花了這麼多錢,\n528603\t542172\t我認為錢花下去要有效果本業要先做好再想其他的剛剛也有委員在關心我們現在公視跟華視要出3000萬成立一個AI創新公司對不對對吧他是一個新創科技公司請問一下在公視法裡面哪一條是說公視可以有成立這樣的新公司是哪一條\n558285\t559646\t投資他事業那也要業務需要進行投資啊?\n584755\t584895\t議員主席議員主席\n608700\t613363\tadequate to the new revenue of Huashi.\n632276\t654707\t你知不知道現在公視在進行這種會議的時候全部要求董監事一定要簽保密協議我們現在在立法院質詢都可以公開直播讓全民來看了為什麼公視花人民的納稅錢在進行投資的時候要求董監事一定要保密協議然後不能夠讓人家監督為什麼為什麼要搞黑箱作業\n656493\t683315\t部長,我覺得他從以前到現在都是要簽一個保密,並不是黑箱。是,那部長你認為公視跟華視要成立創新投資公司應不應該要受到監督?應不應該?當然是啊。那請把開會的資料公開好不好?保密協議也公開,我不知道這有什麼保密的必要啊?你如果人員的薪水各自要保密啊,你現在公視進行投資都要保密這是為什麼?\n684315\t705300\t怎麼可以公開?通過之後應該可以公開現在我們就要監督啦部長現在你知道大家擔心什麼事嗎?大家現在擔心的是說3000萬第一年1000萬轉給不知道哪一家公司第二年1000萬轉給不知道哪一家公司第三年1000萬不知道轉給哪一家公司3000萬就沒啦然後別人賺的飽飽啊\n707120\t728672\t然後完全不能夠監督欸這個委員我跟您報告這種事情不會發生再多那是你在講啊如果說你講的都是事實的話那台灣plus當初設定APP100萬為什麼現在變20萬你們都是永遠在滾動式調整啊永遠都是時空環境變了所以大家才要事前先督嘛我現在就問了可不可以公開啊\n730339\t752755\t如果這整個案子通過...不是通過,現在就要監督,因為現在大家就是擔心,你現在投資失敗誰負責?你現在投三千萬,整個轉出去,轉給下包,轉給自己人,誰負責?而且公司現在講說要成立這家公司,大家根本看不出來有成立的必要。根本看不出來有成立的必要。\n754151\t772221\t我同意公開公開是不是把所有這個投資比如說投資目的然後未來的營運計畫你最後要怎麼做怎麼賺錢全部公開讓大家來看否則的話連這個東西都要搞黑箱這個我覺得這個大家是不能接受的啦不然你同意吧\n775578\t802008\t不是我其實不是黑箱因為也有蠻多企業家寫信給我希望我鼓勵這個事情因為華氏的虧損一直沒有辦法停止不是部長華氏的虧損是你要把本業弄好華氏的虧損不是你不是你去成立一個AI創新公司靠AI來賺錢不然你後面那個董事長去AI公司當董事長不要來做公廣的董事長公廣的主要目的要賺錢是要把你的戲劇做好\n803530\t821035\t瓜斯已經做得比過去好捏。瓜斯已經做得比過去好捏。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒辦法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒辦法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒辦法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒辦法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒辦法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒法賺錢嗎\n821855\t848863\t慢慢慢慢有一點點站起來了所以請委員...不是,部長如果說你在本業上面你需要經濟我們都支持現在的問題是你說華社虧損我要靠成立一個AI投資公司來賺錢而且3000萬我聽起來我覺得很傻眼我真的覺得非常傻眼而且這個董事長據說是明年5月就卸任了嘛對吧在卸任前半年進行這麼大的一個投資計畫\n850903\t853585\t議員議員你讓我講一句話我所認識的胡董不是這樣的人\n871909\t888645\t那是你認識的啊?那是你認識的胡董嗎?跟大家認識的不見得同一個人啊?他是一個非常正直的人,所以委員您講的我可以幫他打保證啊。部長,因為胡董快要下台了,因為按照規定半年前要領選新的董事長,請問現在有新的董事長人選嗎?\n892510\t906768\t您問的問題我們在進行中就是跟行政院去函給立法院要成立一個審議委員會按照政壇比例所以關於這個你就知道我以為是這樣可是你的好朋友余天在受訪的時候\n907108\t909570\t愚天我不認識喔!愚天我不認識喔!愚天我不認識喔!\n924983\t928366\t五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化基金附屬單位預算案。\n946340\t971869\t議員議員議員議員議員議員\n972170\t975978\t不然我跟你講現在全台灣一拜以上以為公廣的董事長是這樣來的啦。好謝謝葉雲智委員謝謝。謝謝謝謝。\n","txt":"委員質詢馬上請部長謝謝好 李部長\n市長好,當初民進黨政府說要成立台灣Plus,4年編58億,說要打造跟BBC還有NHK一樣的這種東營的平台。那到目前為止,部長你自己覺得效果有達到嗎?我們現在有像BBC跟NHK一樣那麼厲害嗎?\n五十八億不夠要五百八十億才做是不是?當然不是當然不是因為當初也是你們民進黨政府講說要做這個事嗎?\n五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化基金附屬單位預算案。\n這點我是要請董事長講。\n所以目標可以亂訂喔?\n所以我今天可以隨便喊一個一百萬然後做不到之後我就下修現在下修到當初快五分之一了耶那以後民進黨政府講的話我們都不相信啊跟我們要錢說要做到什麼地方然後反正最後做不到我再下修目標還可以這樣我就隨便掰理由就好了啊我們有甄列其他新的規管新指標不是啦因為你那個時候跟大家講說為什麼要那麼多錢嘛因為我要做到一百萬下載量是你們講的嘛\n現在就沒有做到嘛。我沒有在那個時候服務這件事。你沒有服務那你上來講幹嘛?你代表政府在那邊講啊。每個人如果推給前朝就好了啦。第一個我不能接受是說花這麼多錢,目標達不到,然後我們用下修目標的方式來提高那個達成率。而且你們下修目標之後達成率都只有七成而已。\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化基金附屬單位預算案。\n報告委員這兩億是從包括現在有社群平台像是YouTube、X、Twitter或者是這個MSN等等經過他們各自所提供的後台數字所加總還有我們是你們加總的是不是對那因為各後台所計算的基礎不同有些只能提供這個來源的人數有些不提供背景所以我們把整個點擊觀看的次數加總而得的這個所以你覺得兩億很棒是不是沒有還要繼續努力兩億也可以灌水啦沒有我們我們來看一下我們來看一下Town Plus我拿到的資料好不好\n大概六成以上都是菲律賓人在看啊。我請教一下為什麼菲律賓人特別喜歡台灣Plus?因為今年上半年有很多南海議題我們做了相關報導跟論壇剛好有…所以是菲律賓為主回大中台灣Plus是菲律賓為大中我們講台灣跟整個亞洲的題目不好意思喔當初台灣Plus在設定的時候目標對象是誰?\n是誰?是全世界的觀眾。全世界的觀眾以哪裡為主?全世界的觀眾都會是我們主要的企業。以北美為主。北美是我們主要的企業。你看一下好不好?除了北美,然後今年把新加坡加進來了。目標市場,要不要念一下?北美與新加坡。報告委員,就是2023年那一年的設定目標先從北美跟新加坡。對,所以你們每一年你們就是根據你們就是根據你們實際上狀況調整嘛。\n對不對本來APP100萬做不到改成兩層然後呢目標市場本來設定北美跟新加坡然後因為做不到那我們就改成菲律賓話都是你們在講啦今天如果說你只有花100萬我相信大家也不會來這邊監督啦你花的是幾十億欸幾十億然後你拿到這樣的效果你還在那邊沾沾自喜覺得自己很棒那接下來還要花多少錢要不要100億要不要200億\n請你們檢討改進好不好不要還在那邊沾沾自喜覺得自己已經很棒了請教一下你們說川普是一個被定罪的重刑犯對吧\n我是在這個選舉後以這個然後後來那個新聞下架了嘛因為在記者描述上我們覺得需要調整可以改進對所以你們下架了因為你們按照你們的說法是因為那個是語意的問題不應該在當選的那一天講說最後美國人選擇了一個重刑犯你覺得這樣語意不妥所以你把它下架了對吧\n那個文字本身是各大公共媒體都在用的,就是說在記者報導論述的前後我們覺得可以更好...對嘛,就是語意嘛,前後文語意嘛。對嘛,但是你們不認為說報導川普是一個重刑犯有問題,因為他是一個客觀的描述嘛。所以,實際上現在在台灣Plus的新聞裡面,還有非常多則的報導是描述川普為一個重刑犯,因為我也去看過了。但是這一點你們認為是OK的,因為你們...等一下,我還沒有問問題。\n因為你們認為說川普他就是一個重刑犯啊講他是重刑犯有錯嗎所以我看到你們現在網站上還有一則新聞他就是講說川普的支持者在海湖山莊幫他慶祝的時候這個很高興因為川普呢重版白宮而且川普他是一個重刑犯你們認為這OK的因為那個是事實的描述對吧因為後來你們發新聞稿也是這樣回應的嘛\n我們在新聞裡面用那個費洛尼的是用美國現有的這個定罪的一個描述。對嘛,你們認為那個就是一個描述嘛,你們不認為說描述川普是重刑犯有什麼問題嘛。那我就請教一下啦,為什麼在你們台灣plus的新聞裡面這麼喜歡講到川普是一個重刑犯?他沒有別的形容詞了嗎?\n今天李遠部長也在旁邊李遠部長他我也可以有很多形容詞來形容他東去幽默的一個作家我們的文化部長或者是說他是以前台北市長柯文哲競選總部總幹事\n然後呢每一次我只要講到李遠部長的時候我就一直講李遠部長來了他是柯文哲的總幹事喔李遠部長如何如何他是柯文哲總幹事我就一直強化他是柯文哲總幹事這件事情我有沒有錯沒有因為我是客觀性的描述但是為什麼我故意就這樣一直講這件事情一直講這件事情如果今天李遠部長在那邊他會覺得說欸等一下我還沒有問問題\n五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化基金附屬單位預算案。\n新聞是他支持者在海湖山莊幫他慶功你還要去講說他這個重刑犯你要講多久你們才高興我跟你講啦台灣你們還不認錯那沒有關係嘛台灣Plus就是我們外交人員的豬隊友因為我們台美外交官這麼認真在拓展外交關係我們的這個台灣Plus的經營者覺得我就是客觀描述有錯嗎\n你就繼續這樣講啦,繼續這樣講啦。所以我覺得台灣普拉斯如果要這樣啦,成效不髒,就算了。我們做很多事情是先搶求不傷身體,再搶求效果。沒有效果也就罷了,錢又花了。還要當我們台美關心的豬隊友,那你就繼續,你就繼續。接下來喔,我想問部長,台灣普拉斯花了這麼多錢,\n我認為錢花下去要有效果本業要先做好再想其他的剛剛也有委員在關心我們現在公視跟華視要出3000萬成立一個AI創新公司對不對對吧他是一個新創科技公司請問一下在公視法裡面哪一條是說公視可以有成立這樣的新公司是哪一條\n投資他事業那也要業務需要進行投資啊?\n議員主席議員主席\nadequate to the new revenue of Huashi.\n你知不知道現在公視在進行這種會議的時候全部要求董監事一定要簽保密協議我們現在在立法院質詢都可以公開直播讓全民來看了為什麼公視花人民的納稅錢在進行投資的時候要求董監事一定要保密協議然後不能夠讓人家監督為什麼為什麼要搞黑箱作業\n部長,我覺得他從以前到現在都是要簽一個保密,並不是黑箱。是,那部長你認為公視跟華視要成立創新投資公司應不應該要受到監督?應不應該?當然是啊。那請把開會的資料公開好不好?保密協議也公開,我不知道這有什麼保密的必要啊?你如果人員的薪水各自要保密啊,你現在公視進行投資都要保密這是為什麼?\n怎麼可以公開?通過之後應該可以公開現在我們就要監督啦部長現在你知道大家擔心什麼事嗎?大家現在擔心的是說3000萬第一年1000萬轉給不知道哪一家公司第二年1000萬轉給不知道哪一家公司第三年1000萬不知道轉給哪一家公司3000萬就沒啦然後別人賺的飽飽啊\n然後完全不能夠監督欸這個委員我跟您報告這種事情不會發生再多那是你在講啊如果說你講的都是事實的話那台灣plus當初設定APP100萬為什麼現在變20萬你們都是永遠在滾動式調整啊永遠都是時空環境變了所以大家才要事前先督嘛我現在就問了可不可以公開啊\n如果這整個案子通過...不是通過,現在就要監督,因為現在大家就是擔心,你現在投資失敗誰負責?你現在投三千萬,整個轉出去,轉給下包,轉給自己人,誰負責?而且公司現在講說要成立這家公司,大家根本看不出來有成立的必要。根本看不出來有成立的必要。\n我同意公開公開是不是把所有這個投資比如說投資目的然後未來的營運計畫你最後要怎麼做怎麼賺錢全部公開讓大家來看否則的話連這個東西都要搞黑箱這個我覺得這個大家是不能接受的啦不然你同意吧\n不是我其實不是黑箱因為也有蠻多企業家寫信給我希望我鼓勵這個事情因為華氏的虧損一直沒有辦法停止不是部長華氏的虧損是你要把本業弄好華氏的虧損不是你不是你去成立一個AI創新公司靠AI來賺錢不然你後面那個董事長去AI公司當董事長不要來做公廣的董事長公廣的主要目的要賺錢是要把你的戲劇做好\n瓜斯已經做得比過去好捏。瓜斯已經做得比過去好捏。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒辦法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒辦法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒辦法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒辦法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒辦法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒法賺錢嗎\n慢慢慢慢有一點點站起來了所以請委員...不是,部長如果說你在本業上面你需要經濟我們都支持現在的問題是你說華社虧損我要靠成立一個AI投資公司來賺錢而且3000萬我聽起來我覺得很傻眼我真的覺得非常傻眼而且這個董事長據說是明年5月就卸任了嘛對吧在卸任前半年進行這麼大的一個投資計畫\n議員議員你讓我講一句話我所認識的胡董不是這樣的人\n那是你認識的啊?那是你認識的胡董嗎?跟大家認識的不見得同一個人啊?他是一個非常正直的人,所以委員您講的我可以幫他打保證啊。部長,因為胡董快要下台了,因為按照規定半年前要領選新的董事長,請問現在有新的董事長人選嗎?\n您問的問題我們在進行中就是跟行政院去函給立法院要成立一個審議委員會按照政壇比例所以關於這個你就知道我以為是這樣可是你的好朋友余天在受訪的時候\n愚天我不認識喔!愚天我不認識喔!愚天我不認識喔!\n五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化基金附屬單位預算案。\n議員議員議員議員議員議員\n不然我跟你講現在全台灣一拜以上以為公廣的董事長是這樣來的啦。好謝謝葉雲智委員謝謝。謝謝謝謝。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.069 --> 00:00.530\n委員質詢馬上請部長謝謝好李部長\n\n00:18.491 --> 00:37.940\n市長好,當初民進黨政府說要成立台灣Plus,4年編58億,說要打造跟BBC還有NHK一樣的這種東營的平台。那到目前為止,部長你自己覺得效果有達到嗎?我們現在有像BBC跟NHK一樣那麼厲害嗎?\n\n00:39.060 --> 00:41.961\n五十八億不夠要五百八十億才做是不是?當然不是當然不是因為當初也是你們民進黨政府講說要做這個事嗎?\n\n00:56.888 --> 00:58.309\n五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化基金附屬單位預算案。\n\n01:19.661 --> 01:20.302\n這點我是要請董事長講。\n\n01:42.130 --> 01:42.810\n所以目標可以亂訂喔?\n\n02:10.680 --> 02:38.055\n所以我今天可以隨便喊一個一百萬然後做不到之後我就下修現在下修到當初快五分之一了耶那以後民進黨政府講的話我們都不相信啊跟我們要錢說要做到什麼地方然後反正最後做不到我再下修目標還可以這樣我就隨便掰理由就好了啊我們有甄列其他新的規管新指標不是啦因為你那個時候跟大家講說為什麼要那麼多錢嘛因為我要做到一百萬下載量是你們講的嘛\n\n02:39.476 --> 03:02.916\n現在就沒有做到嘛。我沒有在那個時候服務這件事。你沒有服務那你上來講幹嘛?你代表政府在那邊講啊。每個人如果推給前朝就好了啦。第一個我不能接受是說花這麼多錢,目標達不到,然後我們用下修目標的方式來提高那個達成率。而且你們下修目標之後達成率都只有七成而已。\n\n03:03.737 --> 03:06.159\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化基金附屬單位預算案。\n\n03:23.817 --> 03:53.137\n報告委員這兩億是從包括現在有社群平台像是YouTube、X、Twitter或者是這個MSN等等經過他們各自所提供的後台數字所加總還有我們是你們加總的是不是對那因為各後台所計算的基礎不同有些只能提供這個來源的人數有些不提供背景所以我們把整個點擊觀看的次數加總而得的這個所以你覺得兩億很棒是不是沒有還要繼續努力兩億也可以灌水啦沒有我們我們來看一下我們來看一下TownPlus我拿到的資料好不好\n\n03:53.917 --> 04:13.579\n大概六成以上都是菲律賓人在看啊。我請教一下為什麼菲律賓人特別喜歡台灣Plus?因為今年上半年有很多南海議題我們做了相關報導跟論壇剛好有…所以是菲律賓為主回大中台灣Plus是菲律賓為大中我們講台灣跟整個亞洲的題目不好意思喔當初台灣Plus在設定的時候目標對象是誰?\n\n04:14.690 --> 04:36.318\n是誰?是全世界的觀眾。全世界的觀眾以哪裡為主?全世界的觀眾都會是我們主要的企業。以北美為主。北美是我們主要的企業。你看一下好不好?除了北美,然後今年把新加坡加進來了。目標市場,要不要念一下?北美與新加坡。報告委員,就是2023年那一年的設定目標先從北美跟新加坡。對,所以你們每一年你們就是根據你們就是根據你們實際上狀況調整嘛。\n\n04:41.020 --> 05:04.334\n對不對本來APP100萬做不到改成兩層然後呢目標市場本來設定北美跟新加坡然後因為做不到那我們就改成菲律賓話都是你們在講啦今天如果說你只有花100萬我相信大家也不會來這邊監督啦你花的是幾十億欸幾十億然後你拿到這樣的效果你還在那邊沾沾自喜覺得自己很棒那接下來還要花多少錢要不要100億要不要200億\n\n05:10.595 --> 05:20.345\n請你們檢討改進好不好不要還在那邊沾沾自喜覺得自己已經很棒了請教一下你們說川普是一個被定罪的重刑犯對吧\n\n05:21.254 --> 05:40.513\n我是在這個選舉後以這個然後後來那個新聞下架了嘛因為在記者描述上我們覺得需要調整可以改進對所以你們下架了因為你們按照你們的說法是因為那個是語意的問題不應該在當選的那一天講說最後美國人選擇了一個重刑犯你覺得這樣語意不妥所以你把它下架了對吧\n\n05:42.354 --> 06:05.210\n那個文字本身是各大公共媒體都在用的,就是說在記者報導論述的前後我們覺得可以更好...對嘛,就是語意嘛,前後文語意嘛。對嘛,但是你們不認為說報導川普是一個重刑犯有問題,因為他是一個客觀的描述嘛。所以,實際上現在在台灣Plus的新聞裡面,還有非常多則的報導是描述川普為一個重刑犯,因為我也去看過了。但是這一點你們認為是OK的,因為你們...等一下,我還沒有問問題。\n\n06:09.253 --> 06:32.782\n因為你們認為說川普他就是一個重刑犯啊講他是重刑犯有錯嗎所以我看到你們現在網站上還有一則新聞他就是講說川普的支持者在海湖山莊幫他慶祝的時候這個很高興因為川普呢重版白宮而且川普他是一個重刑犯你們認為這OK的因為那個是事實的描述對吧因為後來你們發新聞稿也是這樣回應的嘛\n\n06:33.602 --> 06:52.758\n我們在新聞裡面用那個費洛尼的是用美國現有的這個定罪的一個描述。對嘛,你們認為那個就是一個描述嘛,你們不認為說描述川普是重刑犯有什麼問題嘛。那我就請教一下啦,為什麼在你們台灣plus的新聞裡面這麼喜歡講到川普是一個重刑犯?他沒有別的形容詞了嗎?\n\n06:54.783 --> 07:07.516\n今天李遠部長也在旁邊李遠部長他我也可以有很多形容詞來形容他東去幽默的一個作家我們的文化部長或者是說他是以前台北市長柯文哲競選總部總幹事\n\n07:09.258 --> 07:31.223\n然後呢每一次我只要講到李遠部長的時候我就一直講李遠部長來了他是柯文哲的總幹事喔李遠部長如何如何他是柯文哲總幹事我就一直強化他是柯文哲總幹事這件事情我有沒有錯沒有因為我是客觀性的描述但是為什麼我故意就這樣一直講這件事情一直講這件事情如果今天李遠部長在那邊他會覺得說欸等一下我還沒有問問題\n\n07:35.637 --> 07:38.719\n五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化基金附屬單位預算案。\n\n07:59.091 --> 08:20.557\n新聞是他支持者在海湖山莊幫他慶功你還要去講說他這個重刑犯你要講多久你們才高興我跟你講啦台灣你們還不認錯那沒有關係嘛台灣Plus就是我們外交人員的豬隊友因為我們台美外交官這麼認真在拓展外交關係我們的這個台灣Plus的經營者覺得我就是客觀描述有錯嗎\n\n08:21.960 --> 08:42.290\n你就繼續這樣講啦,繼續這樣講啦。所以我覺得台灣普拉斯如果要這樣啦,成效不髒,就算了。我們做很多事情是先搶求不傷身體,再搶求效果。沒有效果也就罷了,錢又花了。還要當我們台美關心的豬隊友,那你就繼續,你就繼續。接下來喔,我想問部長,台灣普拉斯花了這麼多錢,\n\n08:48.603 --> 09:02.172\n我認為錢花下去要有效果本業要先做好再想其他的剛剛也有委員在關心我們現在公視跟華視要出3000萬成立一個AI創新公司對不對對吧他是一個新創科技公司請問一下在公視法裡面哪一條是說公視可以有成立這樣的新公司是哪一條\n\n09:18.285 --> 09:19.646\n投資他事業那也要業務需要進行投資啊?\n\n09:44.755 --> 09:44.895\n議員主席議員主席\n\n10:08.700 --> 10:13.363\nadequatetothenewrevenueofHuashi.\n\n10:32.276 --> 10:54.707\n你知不知道現在公視在進行這種會議的時候全部要求董監事一定要簽保密協議我們現在在立法院質詢都可以公開直播讓全民來看了為什麼公視花人民的納稅錢在進行投資的時候要求董監事一定要保密協議然後不能夠讓人家監督為什麼為什麼要搞黑箱作業\n\n10:56.493 --> 11:23.315\n部長,我覺得他從以前到現在都是要簽一個保密,並不是黑箱。是,那部長你認為公視跟華視要成立創新投資公司應不應該要受到監督?應不應該?當然是啊。那請把開會的資料公開好不好?保密協議也公開,我不知道這有什麼保密的必要啊?你如果人員的薪水各自要保密啊,你現在公視進行投資都要保密這是為什麼?\n\n11:24.315 --> 11:45.300\n怎麼可以公開?通過之後應該可以公開現在我們就要監督啦部長現在你知道大家擔心什麼事嗎?大家現在擔心的是說3000萬第一年1000萬轉給不知道哪一家公司第二年1000萬轉給不知道哪一家公司第三年1000萬不知道轉給哪一家公司3000萬就沒啦然後別人賺的飽飽啊\n\n11:47.120 --> 12:08.672\n然後完全不能夠監督欸這個委員我跟您報告這種事情不會發生再多那是你在講啊如果說你講的都是事實的話那台灣plus當初設定APP100萬為什麼現在變20萬你們都是永遠在滾動式調整啊永遠都是時空環境變了所以大家才要事前先督嘛我現在就問了可不可以公開啊\n\n12:10.339 --> 12:32.755\n如果這整個案子通過...不是通過,現在就要監督,因為現在大家就是擔心,你現在投資失敗誰負責?你現在投三千萬,整個轉出去,轉給下包,轉給自己人,誰負責?而且公司現在講說要成立這家公司,大家根本看不出來有成立的必要。根本看不出來有成立的必要。\n\n12:34.151 --> 12:52.221\n我同意公開公開是不是把所有這個投資比如說投資目的然後未來的營運計畫你最後要怎麼做怎麼賺錢全部公開讓大家來看否則的話連這個東西都要搞黑箱這個我覺得這個大家是不能接受的啦不然你同意吧\n\n12:55.578 --> 13:22.008\n不是我其實不是黑箱因為也有蠻多企業家寫信給我希望我鼓勵這個事情因為華氏的虧損一直沒有辦法停止不是部長華氏的虧損是你要把本業弄好華氏的虧損不是你不是你去成立一個AI創新公司靠AI來賺錢不然你後面那個董事長去AI公司當董事長不要來做公廣的董事長公廣的主要目的要賺錢是要把你的戲劇做好\n\n13:23.530 --> 13:41.035\n瓜斯已經做得比過去好捏。瓜斯已經做得比過去好捏。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒辦法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒辦法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒辦法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒辦法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒辦法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒法賺錢嗎\n\n13:41.855 --> 14:08.863\n慢慢慢慢有一點點站起來了所以請委員...不是,部長如果說你在本業上面你需要經濟我們都支持現在的問題是你說華社虧損我要靠成立一個AI投資公司來賺錢而且3000萬我聽起來我覺得很傻眼我真的覺得非常傻眼而且這個董事長據說是明年5月就卸任了嘛對吧在卸任前半年進行這麼大的一個投資計畫\n\n14:10.903 --> 14:13.585\n議員議員你讓我講一句話我所認識的胡董不是這樣的人\n\n14:31.909 --> 14:48.645\n那是你認識的啊?那是你認識的胡董嗎?跟大家認識的不見得同一個人啊?他是一個非常正直的人,所以委員您講的我可以幫他打保證啊。部長,因為胡董快要下台了,因為按照規定半年前要領選新的董事長,請問現在有新的董事長人選嗎?\n\n14:52.510 --> 15:06.768\n您問的問題我們在進行中就是跟行政院去函給立法院要成立一個審議委員會按照政壇比例所以關於這個你就知道我以為是這樣可是你的好朋友余天在受訪的時候\n\n15:07.108 --> 15:09.570\n愚天我不認識喔!愚天我不認識喔!愚天我不認識喔!\n\n15:24.983 --> 15:28.366\n五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化基金附屬單位預算案。\n\n16:12.170 --> 16:15.978\n不然我跟你講現在全台灣一拜以上以為公廣的董事長是這樣來的啦。好謝謝葉雲智委員謝謝。謝謝謝謝。\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.069,"end":0.53,"text":"委員質詢馬上請部長謝謝好 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Huashi."},{"start":632.276,"end":654.707,"text":"你知不知道現在公視在進行這種會議的時候全部要求董監事一定要簽保密協議我們現在在立法院質詢都可以公開直播讓全民來看了為什麼公視花人民的納稅錢在進行投資的時候要求董監事一定要保密協議然後不能夠讓人家監督為什麼為什麼要搞黑箱作業"},{"start":656.493,"end":683.315,"text":"部長,我覺得他從以前到現在都是要簽一個保密,並不是黑箱。是,那部長你認為公視跟華視要成立創新投資公司應不應該要受到監督?應不應該?當然是啊。那請把開會的資料公開好不好?保密協議也公開,我不知道這有什麼保密的必要啊?你如果人員的薪水各自要保密啊,你現在公視進行投資都要保密這是為什麼?"},{"start":684.315,"end":705.3,"text":"怎麼可以公開?通過之後應該可以公開現在我們就要監督啦部長現在你知道大家擔心什麼事嗎?大家現在擔心的是說3000萬第一年1000萬轉給不知道哪一家公司第二年1000萬轉給不知道哪一家公司第三年1000萬不知道轉給哪一家公司3000萬就沒啦然後別人賺的飽飽啊"},{"start":707.12,"end":728.672,"text":"然後完全不能夠監督欸這個委員我跟您報告這種事情不會發生再多那是你在講啊如果說你講的都是事實的話那台灣plus當初設定APP100萬為什麼現在變20萬你們都是永遠在滾動式調整啊永遠都是時空環境變了所以大家才要事前先督嘛我現在就問了可不可以公開啊"},{"start":730.339,"end":752.755,"text":"如果這整個案子通過...不是通過,現在就要監督,因為現在大家就是擔心,你現在投資失敗誰負責?你現在投三千萬,整個轉出去,轉給下包,轉給自己人,誰負責?而且公司現在講說要成立這家公司,大家根本看不出來有成立的必要。根本看不出來有成立的必要。"},{"start":754.151,"end":772.221,"text":"我同意公開公開是不是把所有這個投資比如說投資目的然後未來的營運計畫你最後要怎麼做怎麼賺錢全部公開讓大家來看否則的話連這個東西都要搞黑箱這個我覺得這個大家是不能接受的啦不然你同意吧"},{"start":775.578,"end":802.008,"text":"不是我其實不是黑箱因為也有蠻多企業家寫信給我希望我鼓勵這個事情因為華氏的虧損一直沒有辦法停止不是部長華氏的虧損是你要把本業弄好華氏的虧損不是你不是你去成立一個AI創新公司靠AI來賺錢不然你後面那個董事長去AI公司當董事長不要來做公廣的董事長公廣的主要目的要賺錢是要把你的戲劇做好"},{"start":803.53,"end":821.035,"text":"瓜斯已經做得比過去好捏。瓜斯已經做得比過去好捏。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒辦法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒辦法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒辦法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒辦法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒辦法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒法賺錢嗎?你這個根屬問題根本搞錯了嘛。那所以是因為沒有AI所以沒法賺錢嗎"},{"start":821.855,"end":848.863,"text":"慢慢慢慢有一點點站起來了所以請委員...不是,部長如果說你在本業上面你需要經濟我們都支持現在的問題是你說華社虧損我要靠成立一個AI投資公司來賺錢而且3000萬我聽起來我覺得很傻眼我真的覺得非常傻眼而且這個董事長據說是明年5月就卸任了嘛對吧在卸任前半年進行這麼大的一個投資計畫"},{"start":850.903,"end":853.585,"text":"議員議員你讓我講一句話我所認識的胡董不是這樣的人"},{"start":871.909,"end":888.645,"text":"那是你認識的啊?那是你認識的胡董嗎?跟大家認識的不見得同一個人啊?他是一個非常正直的人,所以委員您講的我可以幫他打保證啊。部長,因為胡董快要下台了,因為按照規定半年前要領選新的董事長,請問現在有新的董事長人選嗎?"},{"start":892.51,"end":906.768,"text":"您問的問題我們在進行中就是跟行政院去函給立法院要成立一個審議委員會按照政壇比例所以關於這個你就知道我以為是這樣可是你的好朋友余天在受訪的時候"},{"start":907.108,"end":909.57,"text":"愚天我不認識喔!愚天我不認識喔!愚天我不認識喔!"},{"start":924.983,"end":928.366,"text":"五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化基金附屬單位預算案。"},{"start":946.34,"end":971.869,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":972.17,"end":975.978,"text":"不然我跟你講現在全台灣一拜以上以為公廣的董事長是這樣來的啦。好謝謝葉雲智委員謝謝。謝謝謝謝。"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":310,"blocks":[["葉委員元之：（10時8分）麻煩請部長，謝謝。"],["主席：請李部長。"],["葉委員元之：部長好。"],["李部長遠：委員好。"],["葉委員元之：當初民進黨政府說要成立TaiwanPlus，4年編58億，要打造跟BBC、NHK一樣的公營平臺，到目前為止部長自己覺得效果有達到嗎？我們現在有像BBC、NHK一樣那麼厲害嗎？"],["李部長遠：沒有。"],["葉委員元之：花了幾十億了，有沒有？"],["李部長遠：我跟委員報告，從公視開始成立到現在，我們的預算都不能跟人家比，差非常、非常多。"],["葉委員元之：所以你覺得58億不夠，要580億來做，是不是？"],["李部長遠：當然不是。"],["葉委員元之：當初也是你們民進黨政府講說要做這件事，4年下來，你自己也覺得不滿意，對不對？"],["李部長遠：可以改進。"],["葉委員元之：花那麼多錢，你自己也覺得不滿意。績效指標大家都看到了，我只是很好奇，當時說app下載的目標是100萬，為什麼今年已經把目標改成22萬，為什麼？還可以下修的？"],["李部長遠：這點我是不是請董事長？"],["葉委員元之：當初花那麼多錢是因為你要做到這麼高的標準及水準，才要花這麼多錢，結果花了那麼多錢達不到目標，就乾脆自己下修目標，把它修成22萬，這是為什麼？"],["李部長遠：這點我真的要請董事長來說明，因為這個沒辦法一句話講得那麼清楚。"],["胡董事長元輝：跟委員說明，因為最早訂定100萬目標的時候是在中央社時代，當時部長訂定這樣的標準主要是期許，如果我沒有記錯，NKH是7年才達到100萬，這第一個要跟委員說明。第二個部分，現在全球因為各種網路和數位發展，所以app的使用量及使用率也在下降，大概是這樣的原因。"],["葉委員元之：所以目標可以亂訂喔？我今天可以隨便喊一個100萬，做不到之後就下修，現在下修到當初快五分之一了，以後民進黨政府講的話，我們都不相信，跟我們要錢的時候說要做到什麼地方，反正最後做不到再下修目標，還可以這樣！我就隨便掰理由就好了。"],["胡董事長元輝：我們有增列其他新的規管指標，那些指標都……"],["葉委員元之：不是啦！因為你那個時候跟大家說為什麼要那麼多錢，因為要做到100萬下載量是你們講的，現在就是沒有做到嘛！"],["胡董事長元輝：我沒有在那個時候服務這件事情。"],["葉委員元之：你沒有服務，那你上來講幹嘛？你是代表政府在那邊講，因為每一個人都推給前朝就好了，你就推就好了啦！"],["胡董事長元輝：不是、不是，我剛剛已經解釋原因。"],["葉委員元之：第一個，我不能接受的是花這麼多錢，目標達不到，然後用下修目標的方式來提高達成率，而且你們下修目標之後，達成率都只有七成而已。第二個，我想請教一下，你們一直講TaiwanPlus的效果非常好，這是你們講的，你們說因為全球點閱率已達2億了，效果非常好，TaiwanPlus對外發布的新聞稿是這樣說的喔！但是部長不認同，部長覺得可以更好，請問這2億是怎麼算出來的？"],["余執行長佳璋：報告委員，這2億是從現有社群平臺包括YouTube、X、Twitter或是MSN等等，經過他們各自所提供的後台數據所加總的。"],["葉委員元之：這是你們加總的，是不是？"],["余執行長佳璋：對，因為各後台所計算的基礎不同，有些只能提供來源人數，有些不提供背景，所以我們把整個點擊觀看的次數加總而得的結果。"],["葉委員元之：所以你覺得2億很棒，是不是？"],["余執行長佳璋：沒有，還要繼續努力。"],["葉委員元之：2億也可以灌水……"],["余執行長佳璋：沒有，我們……"],["葉委員元之：根據我拿到的資料，TaiwanPlus有大概六成以上都是菲律賓人在看，請教一下為什麼菲律賓人特別喜歡TaiwanPlus？"],["余執行長佳璋：因為今年上半年有很多南海議題，我們做了相關報導和論壇，剛好有……"],["葉委員元之：所以TaiwanPlus是以菲律賓為大宗？"],["余執行長佳璋：我們講臺灣跟整個亞太地區……"],["葉委員元之：不好意思！當初TaiwanPlus在設定的時候，目標對象是誰？"],["余執行長佳璋：是全世界的觀眾。"],["葉委員元之：全世界觀眾以哪裡為主？"],["余執行長佳璋：全世界的觀眾都會是我們主要的目標。"],["葉委員元之：以北美為主。"],["余執行長佳璋：北美是我們……"],["葉委員元之：你看一下好不好？除了北美，今年把新加坡加進來了，目標市場要不要唸一下？北美與新加坡。"],["余執行長佳璋：報告委員，這是2023年那一年的設定目標，先從北美跟新加坡……"],["葉委員元之：所以你們每一年是根據實際上的狀況調整，對不對？本來app的下載目標是100萬，做不到就改成兩成，目標市場本來是設定北美和新加坡，也因為做不到，我們就改成菲律賓，話都是你們在講！今天如果只有花100萬，我相信大家也不會來這邊監督，你花的是幾十億耶！然後拿到這樣的效果，你還在那邊沾沾自喜覺得自己很棒，接下來還要花多少錢？要不要100億？要不要200億？請你們檢討改進，好不好？不要還在那邊沾沾自喜，覺得自己已經很棒了！請教一下，你們說川普是一個被定罪的重刑犯，對吧？"],["余執行長佳璋：在選舉後，以美國的報導……"],["葉委員元之：後來那個新聞下架了嘛。"],["余執行長佳璋：因為在記者描述上，我們覺得需要調整和改進。"],["葉委員元之：所以你們下架了……"],["余執行長佳璋：下架後調整……"],["葉委員元之：按照你們的說法是那個是語意的問題，不應該在當選的那一天說最後美國人選擇了一個重刑犯，你覺得這樣的語意不妥，所以你把它下架了，對吧？"],["余執行長佳璋：不是，那個文字本身是各大公共媒體都在用的，只是在記者報導論述的前後，我們覺得可以更好……"],["葉委員元之：就是前後文的語意。"],["余執行長佳璋：就像其他媒體在……"],["葉委員元之：但是你們不認為報導川普是一個重刑犯有問題，因為它是一個客觀的描述，所以實際上，現在TaiwanPlus的新聞裡面，還有非常多則的報導是描述川普為一個重刑犯，因為我也去看過了，但是這一點你們認為是OK的……"],["余執行長佳璋：因為這個字眼本身……"],["葉委員元之：我還沒有問問題，你們認為川普就是一個重刑犯，講他是重刑犯，有錯嗎？所以我看到你們現在網站上還有一則新聞是關於川普支持者在海湖山莊幫他慶祝的時候，很高興，因為川普重返白宮，而且川普是一個重刑犯，你們認為這是OK的，因為那個是事實的描述，對吧？後來你們發新聞稿也是這樣回應的。"],["余執行長佳璋：沒有，我們在新聞裡面用的是美國現有的定罪描述……"],["葉委員元之：對嘛！你們認為那就是一個描述，你們不認為描述川普是重刑犯有什麼問題，我請教一下，為什麼在TaiwanPlus的新聞裡面這麼喜歡講到川普是一個重刑犯，它沒有別的形容詞了嗎？"],["余執行長佳璋：沒有……"],["葉委員元之：今天李遠部長也在旁邊，我也可以有很多形容詞來形容李遠部長，風趣幽默的作家、我們的文化部長，或是他是以前臺北市長柯文哲競選總部總幹事，每一次我只要講到李遠部長的時候，我就一直講李遠部長來了，他是柯文哲的總幹事，李遠部長如何如何，他是柯文哲的總幹事，我就一直強化他是柯文哲總幹事這件事情，我有沒有錯？沒有！因為我是客觀性的描述，但是為什麼我就是故意要一直講這件事情、一直講這件事情……"],["余執行長佳璋：報告委員，我們沒有故意，只有在那個選舉期間報導過……"],["葉委員元之：如果今天李遠部長在那邊，他會覺得……"],["余執行長佳璋：其他新聞已經沒有再……"],["葉委員元之：等一下，我還沒有問問題，部長會覺得委員你是故意的，是不是？我現在已經當部長了，你不稱我新的職稱，你一直老是講我以前的事情幹嘛？就像你們TaiwanPlus一樣，人家都已經當選了，當選以後還一直講他是一個重刑犯、他是一個重刑犯。"],["余執行長佳璋：沒有，我們只有在選舉期間描述……"],["葉委員元之：沒有，我就是看到你們現在還在講……"],["余執行長佳璋：那是那個時候發布的。"],["葉委員元之：他已經當選了，他的支持者在幫他慶功，新聞是他的支持者在海湖山莊幫他慶功，你還要去講他是一個重刑犯，要講多久你們才高興？我跟你講，你們還不認錯，沒有關係嘛！TaiwanPlus就是我們外交人員的豬隊友，因為我們臺美外交官這麼認真在拓展外交關係，結果TaiwanPlus的經營者覺得我就是客觀描述，有錯嗎？你就繼續這樣講啦！就這樣講啦！所以如果TaiwanPlus還是這樣成效不彰就算了，我們做很多事情是先講求不傷身體再講求效果，沒有效果也就罷了，錢又花了，還要當我們臺美關係的豬隊友，那你就繼續！你就繼續！","接下來請問部長，TaiwanPlus花了這麼多錢，但我認為錢花下去要有效果，本業要先做好再來想其他的，剛剛也有委員在關心，現在公視和華視要出3,000萬成立一個AI創新公司，對不對？部長，對吧？"],["李部長遠：它是一個新創科技公司，它要做的內容……"],["葉委員元之：請問公視法裡面哪一條說公視可以成立這樣的新公司？是哪一條？是公視法裡面的哪一條？"],["李部長遠：後來修法之後有這一條，原因是……"],["葉委員元之：你就講哪一條就好。"],["李部長遠：哪一條我背不出來。"],["葉委員元之：請公視董事長。"],["胡董事長元輝：跟委員說明，在去年公視法修法之後，有特別在公視基金會的收入當中增列了一個投資他事業之收入。"],["葉委員元之：投資他事業也要業務需要進行投資啊，而且投資他事業與成立公司是兩回事，投資他事業也要因為業務需求投資吧？"],["胡董事長元輝：我們是公視基金會投資49%……"],["葉委員元之：請問這家3,000萬的公司，你們基於什麼業務需要成立？"],["胡董事長元輝：主要有兩個目的，第一個目的就是希望帶動公廣集團的數位轉型。第二個目的就是希望能夠推動增加華視新的營收。"],["葉委員元之：增加華視的營收？為什麼做這個可以增加營收？"],["胡董事長元輝：因為我們在傳統的電視產業……"],["葉委員元之：你為什麼認為做這件事情一定會賺錢？你的信心在哪裡？"],["胡董事長元輝：我們相信我們只要有企圖心、有適當的計畫，加上妥善的執行力……"],["葉委員元之：這是你在講嘛！部長，有一個事情我要跟你報告，你知不知道現在公視在進行這種會議的時候，全部要求董監事一定要簽保密協議，我們在立法院質詢都可以公開直播讓全民來看，為什麼公視花人民的納稅錢，在進行投資的時候要求董監事一定要簽保密協議，不能夠讓人家監督，為什麼？為什麼要搞黑箱作業？部長。"],["李部長遠：我覺得它從以前到現在都是要簽保密，並不是黑箱，是因為……"],["葉委員元之：部長，你認為公視和華視要成立創新投資公司應不應該要受到監督？應不應該？"],["李部長遠：當然是啊！"],["葉委員元之：請把開會的資料公開，好不好？保密協議也公開，我不知道這有什麼保密的必要，如果是人員的薪水、個資要保密，現在公視進行投資都要保密，這是為什麼？可不可以公開？"],["李部長遠：通過之後應該可以公開。"],["葉委員元之：不是，現在我們就要監督啦！部長，現在你知道大家擔心什麼事嗎？大家現在擔心的是3,000萬，第一年1,000萬轉給不知道哪一家公司，第二年1,000萬轉給不知道哪一家公司，第三年1,000萬不知道轉給哪一家公司，3,000萬就沒啦！然後別人賺得飽飽，卻完全不能夠監督！"],["李部長遠：委員，我跟您報告，這種事情不會發生在公視。"],["葉委員元之：那是你在講啊！如果說你講的都是事實的話，那TaiwanPlus當初設定app 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