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00:00:06,180\n好謝謝邱昭偉請這個劉主委請國會劉主委\n\n2\n00:00:16,519 --> 00:00:42,695\n主委我先呼應剛剛昭偉跟剛剛這個陳林波委員的就是我覺得很多的政策還是希望能夠思考南部的思維就是因為很多中央機關是在北部那如果距離南北之間有時候南部的思維會有很大的落差我希望能夠多點南部的思維多了解南部的實際需要甚至說關注南部這個才能讓台灣均衡發展這個對國家發展才是一個\n\n3\n00:00:43,295 --> 00:01:04,079\n有利而健康我先呼籲好的謝謝接下來我先請教一下各機關期都看好今年度的經濟成長狀況大概到3.96甚至於會達到4%甚至到4.1%主委怎麼看我的看法大概應該是3.96是有很大的機會3.96怎樣應該是很大的機會應該沒有問題我看3.96沒問題那破4呢或到4.1%呢\n\n4\n00:01:12,930 --> 00:01:13,735\n或是的話﹖\n\n5\n00:01:16,823 --> 00:01:43,681\n主委您有什麼判斷目前看因為現在訂單都差不多了應該是有機會那甚至有的提到4.1%主委認為有機會嗎4.1%的話4是有機會中華經濟研究院預估經濟長率全年可以達到4.1%主委認同這樣這個還是要看AIServer的出貨因為前一陣子因為它有過熱的現象它佔比重佔的蠻高的所以主委認為4應該是機會比較大但是4.1要看整個狀況\n\n6\n00:01:46,083 --> 00:02:05,752\n那明年度的部分呢?2025年一般預期會過3%主委的看法呢?我目前看是會過3%過3%沒問題那變數大概川普是個因素嗎?主要是川普絕對是大因素那大概哪幾個面向主委認為會影響到整個台灣的經濟成長率?\n\n7\n00:02:08,593 --> 00:02:20,220\n基本上我在看川普的變數雖然是很大如果他目前只實施對中國60%的制裁的話其實對我們來講是比較有利多的現象\n\n8\n00:02:24,122 --> 00:02:46,468\n所以對於中國的制裁的60%的部分的話對台灣對台灣是有利的會有很大的反彈效力所以法對我們的經濟成長力有可能會再提升對第二個事情他對中國是越來越鷹派所以對於技術的禁令等等都會對台灣有很大就有可能會在跟台灣的合作技術的一些移轉甚至技術取得會更大對會加強所以\n\n9\n00:02:47,708 --> 00:02:48,229\n其他國家有10%的制裁\n\n10\n00:03:04,049 --> 00:03:29,886\n這個制裁因為跟大家都差不多就是10%對全球、中國以外的那唯一有一點影響的會是這個部分但是這個也是全球都有的全球都有但是一般來講以2016年來看當時台商都是FOB我們報離岸價然後美國廠商去報關去付關稅但是當時因為調高太快有些廠商受不了會請台商\n\n11\n00:03:30,726 --> 00:03:31,847\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n12\n00:03:53,886 --> 00:04:16,379\n特別是他們的政策啦有些他原型繼續競選搶的話跟最後實際落實到底有什麼樣的落差隨時調整我們政策來面對這個我們有在觀察好謝謝那接下來請教一下全台的企業大家都看好台灣的國家景氣甚至也開始重視勝利了台灣應該整個都走在正確的道路上主委同意這樣的看法吧\n\n13\n00:04:17,259 --> 00:04:45,530\n我同意整個幾乎同事啦我看從8年前這樣一路到那種上任之後幾乎一路在我們都是在正確的道路上對以經濟成長率跟現在的就業率來看以從客觀的數據呈現也都是如此不管是包括在股市的表現包括我們的失業率3.4%整個都控制得相當好啦連我們的物價的部分也都其實控制得相當的不錯目前CPI在2以下了所以我認為其實整個都是在正確的道路上\n\n14\n00:04:46,730 --> 00:05:14,386\n那我其實反而覺得接下來在這件事上反而國發會要有更多角色來做我們都希望在經濟成長好、獲利多的時候持續的來提升我們的薪資那我認為有一件事情其實國發會是可以做的國發會有國發基金也投注了相當多在各個一些上市櫃的公司國發基金能不能多去鼓勵就是我說獲利應該要回歸到員工身上讓員工的薪資提升這也是我們的目的是吧\n\n15\n00:05:15,778 --> 00:05:41,126\n是的對那我們若期盼這樣的話國發基金能不能帶頭來做就是你在一些都有一些相關的能不能在裡面做一些要求跟提案一些優質的企業其實本身就應該帶頭來做調薪公司有好的獲益公司主動寄來調薪主委同意這樣的看法嗎同意包括我們自己其實我們現在對內部我們也是用我們已經也是一樣調到了31500對我們那個我們的外包商的\n\n16\n00:05:44,667 --> 00:06:01,228\n其實都是啦我們公務員的挑釁我們受的國營企業的挑釁各個都挑釁我們希望民間也跟著挑釁那國發基金投注在相當多的我認為有一個政策目標我希望主動在董事會裡面主動去提案就是有好的獲利就挑釁有好的獲利\n\n17\n00:06:01,628 --> 00:06:23,405\n只要大了這些條心,其他大家都會跟著調我認為要帶動,國發基金要扮演這樣的角色主委這個可以嗎?這個可以另外同時間也希望未來透明化國發基金在投注的時候同時間也去要求除了你本身的未來的潛力跟那個以外同時間也要求你的資金、你的薪資透明化甚至於你在你的一個薪資的部分\n\n18\n00:06:23,985 --> 00:06:50,980\n我認為那個都可以作為是一個審查參考的依據也就是說你本身是好的獲利你本身是有潛力以外我希望你的好的獲利你的潛力你賺到的錢之後你會分到你的員工身上去讓你的人才留住讓好的企業基本上都會啦但是我希望國發會更重視這樣的原則在審查的時候讓它成為是國發基金審查的一個基本原則讓所有的優質企業都知道國發會、國發基金重視這件事情主委這個可以嗎?\n\n19\n00:06:51,780 --> 00:07:16,801\n這絕對可以,因為我們現在把ESG的分數放...把它納入到你們的辦法裡面好嗎?沒問題啊這兩件事情我希望立即有成果一個禮拜內給我你們最後的處理方式好不好我希望納入到你的辦法裡面同時間在董事會裡面來做正式的提案不過是一回事但是國發會的態度告訴大家有獲利了我們希望你把薪資回歸到員工身上多帶頭來調薪好不好\n\n20\n00:07:18,382 --> 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謝謝邱昭偉請這個劉主委請國會劉主委\n主委我先呼應剛剛昭偉跟剛剛這個陳林波委員的就是我覺得很多的政策還是希望能夠思考南部的思維就是因為很多中央機關是在北部那如果距離南北之間有時候南部的思維會有很大的落差我希望能夠多點南部的思維多了解南部的實際需要甚至說關注南部這個才能讓台灣均衡發展這個對國家發展才是一個\n有利而健康我先呼籲好的謝謝接下來我先請教一下各機關期都看好今年度的經濟成長狀況大概到3.96甚至於會達到4%甚至到4.1%主委怎麼看我的看法大概應該是3.96是有很大的機會3.96怎樣應該是很大的機會應該沒有問題我看3.96沒問題那破4呢或到4.1%呢\n或是的話﹖\n主委您有什麼判斷目前看因為現在訂單都差不多了應該是有機會那甚至有的提到4.1%主委認為有機會嗎4.1%的話4是有機會中華經濟研究院預估經濟長率全年可以達到4.1%主委認同這樣這個還是要看AI Server的出貨因為前一陣子因為它有過熱的現象它佔比重佔的蠻高的所以主委認為4應該是機會比較大但是4.1要看整個狀況\n那明年度的部分呢?2025年一般預期會過3%主委的看法呢?我目前看是會過3%過3%沒問題那變數大概川普是個因素嗎?主要是川普絕對是大因素那大概哪幾個面向主委認為會影響到整個台灣的經濟成長率?\n基本上我在看川普的變數雖然是很大如果他目前只實施對中國60%的制裁的話其實對我們來講是比較有利多的現象\n所以對於中國的制裁的60%的部分的話對台灣對台灣是有利的會有很大的反彈效力所以法對我們的經濟成長力有可能會再提升對第二個事情他對中國是越來越鷹派所以對於技術的禁令等等都會對台灣有很大就有可能會在跟台灣的合作技術的一些移轉甚至技術取得會更大對會加強所以\n其他國家有10%的制裁\n這個制裁因為跟大家都差不多就是10%對全球、中國以外的那唯一有一點影響的會是這個部分但是這個也是全球都有的全球都有但是一般來講以2016年來看當時台商都是FOB我們報離岸價然後美國廠商去報關去付關稅但是當時因為調高太快有些廠商受不了會請台商\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n特別是他們的政策啦有些他原型繼續競選搶的話跟最後實際落實到底有什麼樣的落差隨時調整我們政策來面對這個我們有在觀察好謝謝那接下來請教一下全台的企業大家都看好台灣的國家景氣甚至也開始重視勝利了台灣應該整個都走在正確的道路上主委同意這樣的看法吧\n我同意整個幾乎同事啦我看從8年前這樣一路到那種上任之後幾乎一路在我們都是在正確的道路上對以經濟成長率跟現在的就業率來看以從客觀的數據呈現也都是如此不管是包括在股市的表現包括我們的失業率3.4%整個都控制得相當好啦連我們的物價的部分也都其實控制得相當的不錯目前CPI在2以下了所以我認為其實整個都是在正確的道路上\n那我其實反而覺得接下來在這件事上反而國發會要有更多角色來做我們都希望在經濟成長好、獲利多的時候持續的來提升我們的薪資那我認為有一件事情其實國發會是可以做的國發會有國發基金也投注了相當多在各個一些上市櫃的公司國發基金能不能多去鼓勵就是我說獲利應該要回歸到員工身上讓員工的薪資提升這也是我們的目的是吧\n是的對 那我們若期盼這樣的話國發基金能不能帶頭來做就是你在一些都有一些相關的能不能在裡面做一些要求跟提案一些優質的企業其實本身就應該帶頭來做調薪公司有好的獲益公司主動寄來調薪主委同意這樣的看法嗎同意包括我們自己其實我們現在對內部我們也是用我們已經也是一樣調到了31500對我們那個我們的外包商的\n其實都是啦我們公務員的挑釁我們受的國營企業的挑釁各個都挑釁我們希望民間也跟著挑釁那國發基金投注在相當多的我認為有一個政策目標我希望主動在董事會裡面主動去提案就是有好的獲利就挑釁有好的獲利\n只要大了這些條心,其他大家都會跟著調我認為要帶動,國發基金要扮演這樣的角色主委這個可以嗎?這個可以另外同時間也希望未來透明化國發基金在投注的時候同時間也去要求除了你本身的未來的潛力跟那個以外同時間也要求你的資金、你的薪資透明化甚至於你在你的一個薪資的部分\n我認為那個都可以作為是一個審查參考的依據也就是說你本身是好的獲利你本身是有潛力以外我希望你的好的獲利你的潛力你賺到的錢之後你會分到你的員工身上去讓你的人才留住讓好的企業基本上都會啦但是我希望國發會更重視這樣的原則在審查的時候讓它成為是國發基金審查的一個基本原則讓所有的優質企業都知道國發會、國發基金重視這件事情主委這個可以嗎?\n這絕對可以,因為我們現在把ESG的分數放...把它納入到你們的辦法裡面好嗎?沒問題啊這兩件事情我希望立即有成果一個禮拜內給我你們最後的處理方式好不好我希望納入到你的辦法裡面同時間在董事會裡面來做正式的提案不過是一回事但是國發會的態度告訴大家有獲利了我們希望你把薪資回歸到員工身上多帶頭來調薪好不好\n好,再來我講一下齁,林口的新創園其實已經上軌道,那國發會其實雅灣新創園齁,這個在高雄經濟部有做了一個雅灣新創園,我希望國發會更加大力道來支持。主委這個可以嗎?這個一定可以。全力支持好不好?好,沒問題。\n定期每3個月給我一次你們投入的一些報告給我好嗎?好最後一題啦齁時間快到了主委地方創生我認為其實相當重要啦齁那整個這幾年地方創生幾乎也達到將近提案率有達到7成我認為其實是蠻重要的一個成果啦齁特別是對很多比較偏遠的或者一些我認為蠻有成果的主委找機會來到高雄來特別是基金啦齁基金地方創生\n第2項第3項第4項\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.339 --> 00:06.180\n好謝謝邱昭偉請這個劉主委請國會劉主委\n\n00:16.519 --> 00:42.695\n主委我先呼應剛剛昭偉跟剛剛這個陳林波委員的就是我覺得很多的政策還是希望能夠思考南部的思維就是因為很多中央機關是在北部那如果距離南北之間有時候南部的思維會有很大的落差我希望能夠多點南部的思維多了解南部的實際需要甚至說關注南部這個才能讓台灣均衡發展這個對國家發展才是一個\n\n00:43.295 --> 01:04.079\n有利而健康我先呼籲好的謝謝接下來我先請教一下各機關期都看好今年度的經濟成長狀況大概到3.96甚至於會達到4%甚至到4.1%主委怎麼看我的看法大概應該是3.96是有很大的機會3.96怎樣應該是很大的機會應該沒有問題我看3.96沒問題那破4呢或到4.1%呢\n\n01:12.930 --> 01:13.735\n或是的話﹖\n\n01:16.823 --> 01:43.681\n主委您有什麼判斷目前看因為現在訂單都差不多了應該是有機會那甚至有的提到4.1%主委認為有機會嗎4.1%的話4是有機會中華經濟研究院預估經濟長率全年可以達到4.1%主委認同這樣這個還是要看AIServer的出貨因為前一陣子因為它有過熱的現象它佔比重佔的蠻高的所以主委認為4應該是機會比較大但是4.1要看整個狀況\n\n01:46.083 --> 02:05.752\n那明年度的部分呢?2025年一般預期會過3%主委的看法呢?我目前看是會過3%過3%沒問題那變數大概川普是個因素嗎?主要是川普絕對是大因素那大概哪幾個面向主委認為會影響到整個台灣的經濟成長率?\n\n02:08.593 --> 02:20.220\n基本上我在看川普的變數雖然是很大如果他目前只實施對中國60%的制裁的話其實對我們來講是比較有利多的現象\n\n02:24.122 --> 02:46.468\n所以對於中國的制裁的60%的部分的話對台灣對台灣是有利的會有很大的反彈效力所以法對我們的經濟成長力有可能會再提升對第二個事情他對中國是越來越鷹派所以對於技術的禁令等等都會對台灣有很大就有可能會在跟台灣的合作技術的一些移轉甚至技術取得會更大對會加強所以\n\n02:47.708 --> 02:48.229\n其他國家有10%的制裁\n\n03:04.049 --> 03:29.886\n這個制裁因為跟大家都差不多就是10%對全球、中國以外的那唯一有一點影響的會是這個部分但是這個也是全球都有的全球都有但是一般來講以2016年來看當時台商都是FOB我們報離岸價然後美國廠商去報關去付關稅但是當時因為調高太快有些廠商受不了會請台商\n\n03:30.726 --> 03:31.847\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n03:53.886 --> 04:16.379\n特別是他們的政策啦有些他原型繼續競選搶的話跟最後實際落實到底有什麼樣的落差隨時調整我們政策來面對這個我們有在觀察好謝謝那接下來請教一下全台的企業大家都看好台灣的國家景氣甚至也開始重視勝利了台灣應該整個都走在正確的道路上主委同意這樣的看法吧\n\n04:17.259 --> 04:45.530\n我同意整個幾乎同事啦我看從8年前這樣一路到那種上任之後幾乎一路在我們都是在正確的道路上對以經濟成長率跟現在的就業率來看以從客觀的數據呈現也都是如此不管是包括在股市的表現包括我們的失業率3.4%整個都控制得相當好啦連我們的物價的部分也都其實控制得相當的不錯目前CPI在2以下了所以我認為其實整個都是在正確的道路上\n\n04:46.730 --> 05:14.386\n那我其實反而覺得接下來在這件事上反而國發會要有更多角色來做我們都希望在經濟成長好、獲利多的時候持續的來提升我們的薪資那我認為有一件事情其實國發會是可以做的國發會有國發基金也投注了相當多在各個一些上市櫃的公司國發基金能不能多去鼓勵就是我說獲利應該要回歸到員工身上讓員工的薪資提升這也是我們的目的是吧\n\n05:15.778 --> 05:41.126\n是的對那我們若期盼這樣的話國發基金能不能帶頭來做就是你在一些都有一些相關的能不能在裡面做一些要求跟提案一些優質的企業其實本身就應該帶頭來做調薪公司有好的獲益公司主動寄來調薪主委同意這樣的看法嗎同意包括我們自己其實我們現在對內部我們也是用我們已經也是一樣調到了31500對我們那個我們的外包商的\n\n05:44.667 --> 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