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00:02:53,867\n用一些比較新穎的方式那我想請教市長就是他們是透過什麼樣的方式和管道我們的主管機關有沒有確實掌握這些相關的事證\n\n9\n00:02:55,311 --> 00:03:20,101\n跟委員報告我們在目前查緝到的個案裡面我們分析外籍移工絕大多數他如果涉及詐欺犯罪的案件都是透過他的同鄉管道互相來介紹有他的同鄉管道裡面之前有人從事於詐欺犯罪那就在誘使這個移工尤其是我們逃逸的移工因為他有經濟上的一個需求\n\n10\n00:03:20,521 --> 00:03:42,188\n所以他就會把他的門號跟帳戶交出來交給這個詐騙集團來利用那本身也可能成為車手所以在移工這塊我們除了多語化的宣導之外另外就是說透過包括勞動部的合作我們希望能夠從他們的一些團體來下手希望能夠讓這個部分降低\n\n11\n00:03:42,768 --> 00:04:03,380\n好那聽起來我們也是有這個相對應的措施在進行當中那我也希望說這個部分可能要加緊腳步那其中剛剛那個次長你也說到這個門號的部分有一些這個犯罪集團他會去利用這些人頭帳戶外籍移工的人頭帳戶\n\n12\n00:04:05,271 --> 00:04:23,422\n來取得他們的這個電信號碼幫助他們來洗錢或詐欺的這個案件那尤其這個人頭帳戶的部分有可能在他們要出盡錢這個外籍移工就有用高價來賣給這個詐騙集團這個應該在坊間都聽得到甚至還有這個一個行情價目表在那邊\n\n13\n00:04:31,027 --> 00:04:40,291\n那我想目前我們銀行是不是能夠及時掌握到移民署和勞動部所提供的這類型的相關資訊\n\n14\n00:04:49,332 --> 00:05:06,955\n跟委員報告我們在移民署的部分我們有提供包括通傳會跟金管會他移工本身的一個入出境的一個資料的借接那這部分我們也透過各自委員會同意那這個符合我們各自法的規定\n\n15\n00:05:07,876 --> 00:05:34,033\n那這個屆屆之後呢移工一旦離開台灣他的門號跟帳戶我們就會由金管會跟這個通傳會來做門號跟帳戶的管制是通知電信業者停號還是如何去管控停號嘛直接停號就好因為他既然移工已經離開台灣就就表示他這個門號就沒有用了嘛好那對於這個電信門號的這個詐騙來說齁\n\n16\n00:05:36,915 --> 00:06:05,129\n有關電信業者KYC的這個管理是不是能夠落實我看剛剛那個市長您也大概有掌握了那包括這個9月份給NCC開通查詢外籍的這個人士入出境的資訊能否和電信業者的這個之間來一個合作我想這還是要拜託我們內政部這邊跟相關電信業者有一個緊密的合作那許多這個失聯的移工\n\n17\n00:06:06,189 --> 00:06:30,495\n是我們政府難以掌握的一個族群到目前9月份我們全台灣已經超過8萬8千人的移工受到詐騙集團的鎖定有可能使這些失聯的移工被較高的酬金誘使從事不法甚至反而成為被詐騙的一個對象\n\n18\n00:06:32,876 --> 00:06:47,421\n那礙於身份沒辦法報警或是尋求其他協助那對於失聯移工設詐或是被詐的情形能否來自源頭管理或是其他的因應措施我想這個部分還是請次長大概說明一下\n\n19\n00:06:48,508 --> 00:07:02,831\n跟委員報告我們現在在失業移工的部分因為主要的原因是因為台灣的經濟環境他如果在這個外面的所謂的黑工市場打工他的工作機會多\n\n20\n00:07:04,052 --> 00:07:18,600\n那酬勞也比他原本的這個工作可能高所以就變成是誘使他失聯一個主要的一個理由那我們現在在查緝的部分移民署我們有在加強所有的查緝的力道並沒有停下來\n\n21\n00:07:19,900 --> 00:07:38,604\n至於移工本身涉詐的部分我們現在在查緝的過程裡面我們會從每一個個案去回溯他涉詐的原因跟他背後的集團所以這部分我們在移民署跟警政署我們都有配合雙方把這個資訊我們要做交流好\n\n22\n00:07:42,383 --> 00:07:56,636\n另外就是對於我們要提升試詐的能力有可能會減少受騙的情形來產生包括透過各種傳播管道來製作不同形式的宣傳隨時可以更新防詐的資訊\n\n23\n00:07:57,617 --> 00:08:13,871\n例如勞動部有製作相關的圖卡包括有英文、泰文、越南文、印尼文等版本移民署還有加入緬甸文、柬埔寨文其他部會則不一定有提供相關語言版本\n\n24\n00:08:14,491 --> 00:08:31,397\n但如果都是為了要讓外籍人士能夠獲取最新的相關防詐的宣導資訊那這個部分我想應該由內政部來主責是不是可以來整合讓防詐的文宣有更多語言版本能夠更完備\n\n25\n00:08:33,083 --> 00:08:49,473\n我們這個是不是移民署可以...移民署...對對對對對...跟...跟委員報告就是我們行政局會把詐騙的各種的手法就是多國語言提供...提供給各相關這個部會來做一個...一個試詐的一個選擇\n\n26\n00:08:52,115 --> 00:09:06,088\n那我還是請我們指揮中心指揮中心這邊跟我們警政署這邊來加強這個相關的這個演繹讓我們四詐的這種宣傳能夠更加的友善那另外\n\n27\n00:09:06,528 --> 00:09:28,485\n對於這個國內我們少年涉詐的情形也越來越嚴重近年來已經查獲上萬人我們各級學校現在都應該有這個相關的這些法治教育有向這些學生來宣導切勿這個以身釋法但先前我們警方的這個統計數字明知違法仍然要從事詐騙行為的\n\n28\n00:09:30,286 --> 00:09:44,719\n這個犯案少年佔了七成以上這部分顯然我們的法治教育的部分出現了警訊有必要再進行研議和改善那對於在學校裡面上課的同學我們或許比較能夠掌握情況\n\n29\n00:09:45,279 --> 00:09:59,437\n但對於在校園以外的地方更是能夠誘使青少年接觸詐騙行為的地方我們應該要如何來防堵詐團對於青少年的接觸以降低我們這些少年處罰的機會\n\n30\n00:10:07,079 --> 00:10:14,830\n跟委員報告就是說這個少年去觸犯這個這個詐團但是少年可能是學生那現在我們發現到這個\n\n31\n00:10:19,075 --> 00:10:27,099\n從111年大概剛剛這裡面到少年去犯罪我們大概有380幾個人112年有700多人那113年到12年大概也有700多這個趨勢是上升的那這裡面看起來就是說他的這個案件裡面\n\n32\n00:10:37,685 --> 00:11:00,488\n大概都是以人頭或是帳戶的居多那怎麼要去做防堵呢?我們第一個就是要去做一個市長的一個宣導那這個宣導的部分我們特別強調就是說你不要認為你是少年是沒有責任你家長要負連帶的這個責任讓這一個他犯罪之後能夠有所有所嚇阻\n\n33\n00:11:01,729 --> 00:11:21,360\n第二部分就是說對於這些可能就是高風險的這些的少年那我們會去再加強去做一個瞭解跟查解所謂的高風險就是說可能這個失血啦臭血啦這些中臭症也會特別去做瞭解這個情形那第三個部分對於這一個\n\n34\n00:11:23,941 --> 00:11:43,387\n是不是屬於這個少年犯罪的這個教唆者我們會加強去做幕後集團的一個做這樣的一個查集那我們不管是校園內跟校園外或者是私學、中輟生什麼這些我們全方面會來做一個一個了解跟解決\n\n35\n00:11:44,807 --> 00:12:10,062\n好謝謝署長那也謝謝次長我希望說我們各部會各部會我們對於這個剛剛早上到現在許多委員在關心的我們不管是市詐還有堵詐、防詐、阻詐、懲詐相關的這些部會應該要如何來分工如何來落實我相信這才是最重要確實讓我們台灣被詐騙的情形看能不能\n\n36\n00:12:10,742 --> 00:12:23,326\n快速地來降低。」我相信這是全民所希望也是所有民眾最期待的也可以確實來保護我們所有人民生命財產的安全以上謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n14790\t20852\t好,謝謝主席,我們先請馬次長跟警政署的長、署長好,次長、署長早好,我們今天\n33063\t57742\t這個針對今年通過的這個打詐四法要配合明年1月即將啟動的打詐綱領2.0無非是希望能夠透過同步的這個強化法制面還有組織面技術面來有效打擊這個相關的詐欺案那防止民眾受騙的案例一再發生我剛剛拜聽了我們早上的這個質詢我們在一整年的這個詐騙的相關這個案件\n60725\t68098\t目前看起來一整年下來都超過一千億以上那也要避免這個民眾\n70100\t95711\t再次受騙也要避免一些民眾因為不知情被詐騙集團當作是犯罪的一個工具從今天報告的題目也反映到目前移工和少年涉入詐欺的數量有增加的情況不但容易蒙受無謂的損失甚至被詐騙集團看準來吸收進而控制成為共犯這對於政府打擊犯罪\n96451\t98313\t臺灣目前大約有80萬名外籍移工從世界各地來臺灣打拚賺錢\n118212\t137301\t但是在台的這些移工涉詐的人數從111年的382人到今年已經超過700人那這裡我想先就叫我們的次長對於這個詐騙集團是如何來威逼利誘吸收移工包括\n138181\t155227\t過去我們曾經聽說是針對這些經濟壓力或是可能以毒品、藥物加以控制的方式來誘使外籍工去協助他們從事不法的行為這些手段和管道可能會與時俱進我看現在的詐騙集團比較多是\n162409\t173867\t用一些比較新穎的方式那我想請教市長就是他們是透過什麼樣的方式和管道我們的主管機關有沒有確實掌握這些相關的事證\n175311\t200101\t跟委員報告我們在目前查緝到的個案裡面我們分析外籍移工絕大多數他如果涉及詐欺犯罪的案件都是透過他的同鄉管道互相來介紹有他的同鄉管道裡面之前有人從事於詐欺犯罪那就在誘使這個移工尤其是我們逃逸的移工因為他有經濟上的一個需求\n200521\t222188\t所以他就會把他的門號跟帳戶交出來交給這個詐騙集團來利用那本身也可能成為車手所以在移工這塊我們除了多語化的宣導之外另外就是說透過包括勞動部的合作我們希望能夠從他們的一些團體來下手希望能夠讓這個部分降低\n222768\t243380\t好 那聽起來我們也是有這個相對應的措施在進行當中那我也希望說這個部分可能要加緊腳步那其中剛剛那個次長你也說到這個門號的部分有一些這個犯罪集團他會去利用這些人頭帳戶外籍移工的人頭帳戶\n245271\t263422\t來取得他們的這個電信號碼幫助他們來洗錢或詐欺的這個案件那尤其這個人頭帳戶的部分有可能在他們要出盡錢這個外籍移工就有用高價來賣給這個詐騙集團這個應該在坊間都聽得到甚至還有這個一個行情價目表在那邊\n271027\t280291\t那我想目前我們銀行是不是能夠及時掌握到移民署和勞動部所提供的這類型的相關資訊\n289332\t306955\t跟委員報告我們在移民署的部分我們有提供包括通傳會跟金管會他移工本身的一個入出境的一個資料的借接那這部分我們也透過各自委員會同意那這個符合我們各自法的規定\n307876\t334033\t那這個屆屆之後呢移工一旦離開台灣他的門號跟帳戶我們就會由金管會跟這個通傳會來做門號跟帳戶的管制是通知電信業者停號還是如何去管控停號嘛直接停號就好因為他既然移工已經離開台灣就就表示他這個門號就沒有用了嘛好那對於這個電信門號的這個詐騙來說齁\n336915\t365129\t有關電信業者KYC的這個管理是不是能夠落實我看剛剛那個市長您也大概有掌握了那包括這個9月份給NCC開通查詢外籍的這個人士入出境的資訊能否和電信業者的這個之間來一個合作我想這還是要拜託我們內政部這邊跟相關電信業者有一個緊密的合作那許多這個失聯的移工\n366189\t390495\t是我們政府難以掌握的一個族群到目前9月份我們全台灣已經超過8萬8千人的移工受到詐騙集團的鎖定有可能使這些失聯的移工被較高的酬金誘使從事不法甚至反而成為被詐騙的一個對象\n392876\t407421\t那礙於身份沒辦法報警或是尋求其他協助那對於失聯移工設詐或是被詐的情形能否來自源頭管理或是其他的因應措施我想這個部分還是請次長大概說明一下\n408508\t422831\t跟委員報告我們現在在失業移工的部分因為主要的原因是因為台灣的經濟環境他如果在這個外面的所謂的黑工市場打工他的工作機會多\n424052\t438600\t那酬勞也比他原本的這個工作可能高所以就變成是誘使他失聯一個主要的一個理由那我們現在在查緝的部分移民署我們有在加強所有的查緝的力道並沒有停下來\n439900\t458604\t至於移工本身涉詐的部分我們現在在查緝的過程裡面我們會從每一個個案去回溯他涉詐的原因跟他背後的集團所以這部分我們在移民署跟警政署我們都有配合雙方把這個資訊我們要做交流好\n462383\t476636\t另外就是對於我們要提升試詐的能力有可能會減少受騙的情形來產生包括透過各種傳播管道來製作不同形式的宣傳隨時可以更新防詐的資訊\n477617\t493871\t例如勞動部有製作相關的圖卡包括有英文、泰文、越南文、印尼文等版本移民署還有加入緬甸文、柬埔寨文其他部會則不一定有提供相關語言版本\n494491\t511397\t但如果都是為了要讓外籍人士能夠獲取最新的相關防詐的宣導資訊那這個部分我想應該由內政部來主責是不是可以來整合讓防詐的文宣有更多語言版本能夠更完備\n513083\t529473\t我們這個是不是移民署可以...移民署...對對對對對...跟...跟委員報告就是我們行政局會把詐騙的各種的手法就是多國語言提供...提供給各相關這個部會來做一個...一個試詐的一個選擇\n532115\t546088\t那我還是請我們指揮中心指揮中心這邊跟我們警政署這邊來加強這個相關的這個演繹讓我們四詐的這種宣傳能夠更加的友善那另外\n546528\t568485\t對於這個國內我們少年涉詐的情形也越來越嚴重近年來已經查獲上萬人我們各級學校現在都應該有這個相關的這些法治教育有向這些學生來宣導切勿這個以身釋法但先前我們警方的這個統計數字明知違法仍然要從事詐騙行為的\n570286\t584719\t這個犯案少年佔了七成以上這部分顯然我們的法治教育的部分出現了警訊有必要再進行研議和改善那對於在學校裡面上課的同學我們或許比較能夠掌握情況\n585279\t599437\t但對於在校園以外的地方更是能夠誘使青少年接觸詐騙行為的地方我們應該要如何來防堵詐團對於青少年的接觸以降低我們這些少年處罰的機會\n607079\t614830\t跟委員報告就是說這個少年去觸犯這個這個詐團但是少年可能是學生那現在我們發現到這個\n619075\t627099\t從111年大概剛剛這裡面到少年去犯罪我們大概有380幾個人112年有700多人那113年到12年大概也有700多這個趨勢是上升的那這裡面看起來就是說他的這個案件裡面\n637685\t660488\t大概都是以人頭或是帳戶的居多那怎麼要去做防堵呢?我們第一個就是要去做一個市長的一個宣導那這個宣導的部分我們特別強調就是說你不要認為你是少年是沒有責任你家長要負連帶的這個責任讓這一個他犯罪之後能夠有所有所嚇阻\n661729\t681360\t第二部分就是說對於這些可能就是高風險的這些的少年那我們會去再加強去做一個瞭解跟查解所謂的高風險就是說可能這個失血啦臭血啦這些中臭症也會特別去做瞭解這個情形那第三個部分對於這一個\n683941\t703387\t是不是屬於這個少年犯罪的這個教唆者我們會加強去做幕後集團的一個做這樣的一個查集那我們不管是校園內跟校園外或者是私學、中輟生什麼這些我們全方面會來做一個一個了解跟解決\n704807\t730062\t好 謝謝署長那也謝謝次長我希望說我們各部會各部會我們對於這個剛剛早上到現在許多委員在關心的我們不管是市詐還有堵詐、防詐、阻詐、懲詐相關的這些部會應該要如何來分工如何來落實我相信這才是最重要確實讓我們台灣被詐騙的情形看能不能\n730742\t743326\t快速地來降低。」我相信這是全民所希望也是所有民眾最期待的也可以確實來保護我們所有人民生命財產的安全以上 謝謝\n","txt":"好,謝謝主席,我們先請馬次長跟警政署的長、署長好,次長、署長早好,我們今天\n這個針對今年通過的這個打詐四法要配合明年1月即將啟動的打詐綱領2.0無非是希望能夠透過同步的這個強化法制面還有組織面技術面來有效打擊這個相關的詐欺案那防止民眾受騙的案例一再發生我剛剛拜聽了我們早上的這個質詢我們在一整年的這個詐騙的相關這個案件\n目前看起來一整年下來都超過一千億以上那也要避免這個民眾\n再次受騙也要避免一些民眾因為不知情被詐騙集團當作是犯罪的一個工具從今天報告的題目也反映到目前移工和少年涉入詐欺的數量有增加的情況不但容易蒙受無謂的損失甚至被詐騙集團看準來吸收進而控制成為共犯這對於政府打擊犯罪\n臺灣目前大約有80萬名外籍移工從世界各地來臺灣打拚賺錢\n但是在台的這些移工涉詐的人數從111年的382人到今年已經超過700人那這裡我想先就叫我們的次長對於這個詐騙集團是如何來威逼利誘吸收移工包括\n過去我們曾經聽說是針對這些經濟壓力或是可能以毒品、藥物加以控制的方式來誘使外籍工去協助他們從事不法的行為這些手段和管道可能會與時俱進我看現在的詐騙集團比較多是\n用一些比較新穎的方式那我想請教市長就是他們是透過什麼樣的方式和管道我們的主管機關有沒有確實掌握這些相關的事證\n跟委員報告我們在目前查緝到的個案裡面我們分析外籍移工絕大多數他如果涉及詐欺犯罪的案件都是透過他的同鄉管道互相來介紹有他的同鄉管道裡面之前有人從事於詐欺犯罪那就在誘使這個移工尤其是我們逃逸的移工因為他有經濟上的一個需求\n所以他就會把他的門號跟帳戶交出來交給這個詐騙集團來利用那本身也可能成為車手所以在移工這塊我們除了多語化的宣導之外另外就是說透過包括勞動部的合作我們希望能夠從他們的一些團體來下手希望能夠讓這個部分降低\n好 那聽起來我們也是有這個相對應的措施在進行當中那我也希望說這個部分可能要加緊腳步那其中剛剛那個次長你也說到這個門號的部分有一些這個犯罪集團他會去利用這些人頭帳戶外籍移工的人頭帳戶\n來取得他們的這個電信號碼幫助他們來洗錢或詐欺的這個案件那尤其這個人頭帳戶的部分有可能在他們要出盡錢這個外籍移工就有用高價來賣給這個詐騙集團這個應該在坊間都聽得到甚至還有這個一個行情價目表在那邊\n那我想目前我們銀行是不是能夠及時掌握到移民署和勞動部所提供的這類型的相關資訊\n跟委員報告我們在移民署的部分我們有提供包括通傳會跟金管會他移工本身的一個入出境的一個資料的借接那這部分我們也透過各自委員會同意那這個符合我們各自法的規定\n那這個屆屆之後呢移工一旦離開台灣他的門號跟帳戶我們就會由金管會跟這個通傳會來做門號跟帳戶的管制是通知電信業者停號還是如何去管控停號嘛直接停號就好因為他既然移工已經離開台灣就就表示他這個門號就沒有用了嘛好那對於這個電信門號的這個詐騙來說齁\n有關電信業者KYC的這個管理是不是能夠落實我看剛剛那個市長您也大概有掌握了那包括這個9月份給NCC開通查詢外籍的這個人士入出境的資訊能否和電信業者的這個之間來一個合作我想這還是要拜託我們內政部這邊跟相關電信業者有一個緊密的合作那許多這個失聯的移工\n是我們政府難以掌握的一個族群到目前9月份我們全台灣已經超過8萬8千人的移工受到詐騙集團的鎖定有可能使這些失聯的移工被較高的酬金誘使從事不法甚至反而成為被詐騙的一個對象\n那礙於身份沒辦法報警或是尋求其他協助那對於失聯移工設詐或是被詐的情形能否來自源頭管理或是其他的因應措施我想這個部分還是請次長大概說明一下\n跟委員報告我們現在在失業移工的部分因為主要的原因是因為台灣的經濟環境他如果在這個外面的所謂的黑工市場打工他的工作機會多\n那酬勞也比他原本的這個工作可能高所以就變成是誘使他失聯一個主要的一個理由那我們現在在查緝的部分移民署我們有在加強所有的查緝的力道並沒有停下來\n至於移工本身涉詐的部分我們現在在查緝的過程裡面我們會從每一個個案去回溯他涉詐的原因跟他背後的集團所以這部分我們在移民署跟警政署我們都有配合雙方把這個資訊我們要做交流好\n另外就是對於我們要提升試詐的能力有可能會減少受騙的情形來產生包括透過各種傳播管道來製作不同形式的宣傳隨時可以更新防詐的資訊\n例如勞動部有製作相關的圖卡包括有英文、泰文、越南文、印尼文等版本移民署還有加入緬甸文、柬埔寨文其他部會則不一定有提供相關語言版本\n但如果都是為了要讓外籍人士能夠獲取最新的相關防詐的宣導資訊那這個部分我想應該由內政部來主責是不是可以來整合讓防詐的文宣有更多語言版本能夠更完備\n我們這個是不是移民署可以...移民署...對對對對對...跟...跟委員報告就是我們行政局會把詐騙的各種的手法就是多國語言提供...提供給各相關這個部會來做一個...一個試詐的一個選擇\n那我還是請我們指揮中心指揮中心這邊跟我們警政署這邊來加強這個相關的這個演繹讓我們四詐的這種宣傳能夠更加的友善那另外\n對於這個國內我們少年涉詐的情形也越來越嚴重近年來已經查獲上萬人我們各級學校現在都應該有這個相關的這些法治教育有向這些學生來宣導切勿這個以身釋法但先前我們警方的這個統計數字明知違法仍然要從事詐騙行為的\n這個犯案少年佔了七成以上這部分顯然我們的法治教育的部分出現了警訊有必要再進行研議和改善那對於在學校裡面上課的同學我們或許比較能夠掌握情況\n但對於在校園以外的地方更是能夠誘使青少年接觸詐騙行為的地方我們應該要如何來防堵詐團對於青少年的接觸以降低我們這些少年處罰的機會\n跟委員報告就是說這個少年去觸犯這個這個詐團但是少年可能是學生那現在我們發現到這個\n從111年大概剛剛這裡面到少年去犯罪我們大概有380幾個人112年有700多人那113年到12年大概也有700多這個趨勢是上升的那這裡面看起來就是說他的這個案件裡面\n大概都是以人頭或是帳戶的居多那怎麼要去做防堵呢?我們第一個就是要去做一個市長的一個宣導那這個宣導的部分我們特別強調就是說你不要認為你是少年是沒有責任你家長要負連帶的這個責任讓這一個他犯罪之後能夠有所有所嚇阻\n第二部分就是說對於這些可能就是高風險的這些的少年那我們會去再加強去做一個瞭解跟查解所謂的高風險就是說可能這個失血啦臭血啦這些中臭症也會特別去做瞭解這個情形那第三個部分對於這一個\n是不是屬於這個少年犯罪的這個教唆者我們會加強去做幕後集團的一個做這樣的一個查集那我們不管是校園內跟校園外或者是私學、中輟生什麼這些我們全方面會來做一個一個了解跟解決\n好 謝謝署長那也謝謝次長我希望說我們各部會各部會我們對於這個剛剛早上到現在許多委員在關心的我們不管是市詐還有堵詐、防詐、阻詐、懲詐相關的這些部會應該要如何來分工如何來落實我相信這才是最重要確實讓我們台灣被詐騙的情形看能不能\n快速地來降低。」我相信這是全民所希望也是所有民眾最期待的也可以確實來保護我們所有人民生命財產的安全以上 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:14.790 --> 00:20.852\n好,謝謝主席,我們先請馬次長跟警政署的長、署長好,次長、署長早好,我們今天\n\n00:33.063 --> 00:57.742\n這個針對今年通過的這個打詐四法要配合明年1月即將啟動的打詐綱領2.0無非是希望能夠透過同步的這個強化法制面還有組織面技術面來有效打擊這個相關的詐欺案那防止民眾受騙的案例一再發生我剛剛拜聽了我們早上的這個質詢我們在一整年的這個詐騙的相關這個案件\n\n01:00.725 --> 01:08.098\n目前看起來一整年下來都超過一千億以上那也要避免這個民眾\n\n01:10.100 --> 01:35.711\n再次受騙也要避免一些民眾因為不知情被詐騙集團當作是犯罪的一個工具從今天報告的題目也反映到目前移工和少年涉入詐欺的數量有增加的情況不但容易蒙受無謂的損失甚至被詐騙集團看準來吸收進而控制成為共犯這對於政府打擊犯罪\n\n01:36.451 --> 01:38.313\n臺灣目前大約有80萬名外籍移工從世界各地來臺灣打拚賺錢\n\n01:58.212 --> 02:17.301\n但是在台的這些移工涉詐的人數從111年的382人到今年已經超過700人那這裡我想先就叫我們的次長對於這個詐騙集團是如何來威逼利誘吸收移工包括\n\n02:18.181 --> 02:35.227\n過去我們曾經聽說是針對這些經濟壓力或是可能以毒品、藥物加以控制的方式來誘使外籍工去協助他們從事不法的行為這些手段和管道可能會與時俱進我看現在的詐騙集團比較多是\n\n02:42.409 --> 02:53.867\n用一些比較新穎的方式那我想請教市長就是他們是透過什麼樣的方式和管道我們的主管機關有沒有確實掌握這些相關的事證\n\n02:55.311 --> 03:20.101\n跟委員報告我們在目前查緝到的個案裡面我們分析外籍移工絕大多數他如果涉及詐欺犯罪的案件都是透過他的同鄉管道互相來介紹有他的同鄉管道裡面之前有人從事於詐欺犯罪那就在誘使這個移工尤其是我們逃逸的移工因為他有經濟上的一個需求\n\n03:20.521 --> 03:42.188\n所以他就會把他的門號跟帳戶交出來交給這個詐騙集團來利用那本身也可能成為車手所以在移工這塊我們除了多語化的宣導之外另外就是說透過包括勞動部的合作我們希望能夠從他們的一些團體來下手希望能夠讓這個部分降低\n\n03:42.768 --> 04:03.380\n好那聽起來我們也是有這個相對應的措施在進行當中那我也希望說這個部分可能要加緊腳步那其中剛剛那個次長你也說到這個門號的部分有一些這個犯罪集團他會去利用這些人頭帳戶外籍移工的人頭帳戶\n\n04:05.271 --> 04:23.422\n來取得他們的這個電信號碼幫助他們來洗錢或詐欺的這個案件那尤其這個人頭帳戶的部分有可能在他們要出盡錢這個外籍移工就有用高價來賣給這個詐騙集團這個應該在坊間都聽得到甚至還有這個一個行情價目表在那邊\n\n04:31.027 --> 04:40.291\n那我想目前我們銀行是不是能夠及時掌握到移民署和勞動部所提供的這類型的相關資訊\n\n04:49.332 --> 05:06.955\n跟委員報告我們在移民署的部分我們有提供包括通傳會跟金管會他移工本身的一個入出境的一個資料的借接那這部分我們也透過各自委員會同意那這個符合我們各自法的規定\n\n05:07.876 --> 05:34.033\n那這個屆屆之後呢移工一旦離開台灣他的門號跟帳戶我們就會由金管會跟這個通傳會來做門號跟帳戶的管制是通知電信業者停號還是如何去管控停號嘛直接停號就好因為他既然移工已經離開台灣就就表示他這個門號就沒有用了嘛好那對於這個電信門號的這個詐騙來說齁\n\n05:36.915 --> 06:05.129\n有關電信業者KYC的這個管理是不是能夠落實我看剛剛那個市長您也大概有掌握了那包括這個9月份給NCC開通查詢外籍的這個人士入出境的資訊能否和電信業者的這個之間來一個合作我想這還是要拜託我們內政部這邊跟相關電信業者有一個緊密的合作那許多這個失聯的移工\n\n06:06.189 --> 06:30.495\n是我們政府難以掌握的一個族群到目前9月份我們全台灣已經超過8萬8千人的移工受到詐騙集團的鎖定有可能使這些失聯的移工被較高的酬金誘使從事不法甚至反而成為被詐騙的一個對象\n\n06:32.876 --> 06:47.421\n那礙於身份沒辦法報警或是尋求其他協助那對於失聯移工設詐或是被詐的情形能否來自源頭管理或是其他的因應措施我想這個部分還是請次長大概說明一下\n\n06:48.508 --> 07:02.831\n跟委員報告我們現在在失業移工的部分因為主要的原因是因為台灣的經濟環境他如果在這個外面的所謂的黑工市場打工他的工作機會多\n\n07:04.052 --> 07:18.600\n那酬勞也比他原本的這個工作可能高所以就變成是誘使他失聯一個主要的一個理由那我們現在在查緝的部分移民署我們有在加強所有的查緝的力道並沒有停下來\n\n07:19.900 --> 07:38.604\n至於移工本身涉詐的部分我們現在在查緝的過程裡面我們會從每一個個案去回溯他涉詐的原因跟他背後的集團所以這部分我們在移民署跟警政署我們都有配合雙方把這個資訊我們要做交流好\n\n07:42.383 --> 07:56.636\n另外就是對於我們要提升試詐的能力有可能會減少受騙的情形來產生包括透過各種傳播管道來製作不同形式的宣傳隨時可以更新防詐的資訊\n\n07:57.617 --> 08:13.871\n例如勞動部有製作相關的圖卡包括有英文、泰文、越南文、印尼文等版本移民署還有加入緬甸文、柬埔寨文其他部會則不一定有提供相關語言版本\n\n08:14.491 --> 08:31.397\n但如果都是為了要讓外籍人士能夠獲取最新的相關防詐的宣導資訊那這個部分我想應該由內政部來主責是不是可以來整合讓防詐的文宣有更多語言版本能夠更完備\n\n08:33.083 --> 08:49.473\n我們這個是不是移民署可以...移民署...對對對對對...跟...跟委員報告就是我們行政局會把詐騙的各種的手法就是多國語言提供...提供給各相關這個部會來做一個...一個試詐的一個選擇\n\n08:52.115 --> 09:06.088\n那我還是請我們指揮中心指揮中心這邊跟我們警政署這邊來加強這個相關的這個演繹讓我們四詐的這種宣傳能夠更加的友善那另外\n\n09:06.528 --> 09:28.485\n對於這個國內我們少年涉詐的情形也越來越嚴重近年來已經查獲上萬人我們各級學校現在都應該有這個相關的這些法治教育有向這些學生來宣導切勿這個以身釋法但先前我們警方的這個統計數字明知違法仍然要從事詐騙行為的\n\n09:30.286 --> 09:44.719\n這個犯案少年佔了七成以上這部分顯然我們的法治教育的部分出現了警訊有必要再進行研議和改善那對於在學校裡面上課的同學我們或許比較能夠掌握情況\n\n09:45.279 --> 09:59.437\n但對於在校園以外的地方更是能夠誘使青少年接觸詐騙行為的地方我們應該要如何來防堵詐團對於青少年的接觸以降低我們這些少年處罰的機會\n\n10:07.079 --> 10:14.830\n跟委員報告就是說這個少年去觸犯這個這個詐團但是少年可能是學生那現在我們發現到這個\n\n10:19.075 --> 10:27.099\n從111年大概剛剛這裡面到少年去犯罪我們大概有380幾個人112年有700多人那113年到12年大概也有700多這個趨勢是上升的那這裡面看起來就是說他的這個案件裡面\n\n10:37.685 --> 11:00.488\n大概都是以人頭或是帳戶的居多那怎麼要去做防堵呢?我們第一個就是要去做一個市長的一個宣導那這個宣導的部分我們特別強調就是說你不要認為你是少年是沒有責任你家長要負連帶的這個責任讓這一個他犯罪之後能夠有所有所嚇阻\n\n11:01.729 --> 11:21.360\n第二部分就是說對於這些可能就是高風險的這些的少年那我們會去再加強去做一個瞭解跟查解所謂的高風險就是說可能這個失血啦臭血啦這些中臭症也會特別去做瞭解這個情形那第三個部分對於這一個\n\n11:23.941 --> 11:43.387\n是不是屬於這個少年犯罪的這個教唆者我們會加強去做幕後集團的一個做這樣的一個查集那我們不管是校園內跟校園外或者是私學、中輟生什麼這些我們全方面會來做一個一個了解跟解決\n\n11:44.807 --> 12:10.062\n好謝謝署長那也謝謝次長我希望說我們各部會各部會我們對於這個剛剛早上到現在許多委員在關心的我們不管是市詐還有堵詐、防詐、阻詐、懲詐相關的這些部會應該要如何來分工如何來落實我相信這才是最重要確實讓我們台灣被詐騙的情形看能不能\n\n12:10.742 --> 12:23.326\n快速地來降低。」我相信這是全民所希望也是所有民眾最期待的也可以確實來保護我們所有人民生命財產的安全以上謝謝\n\n","segments":[{"start":14.79,"end":20.852,"text":"好,謝謝主席,我們先請馬次長跟警政署的長、署長好,次長、署長早好,我們今天"},{"start":33.063,"end":57.742,"text":"這個針對今年通過的這個打詐四法要配合明年1月即將啟動的打詐綱領2.0無非是希望能夠透過同步的這個強化法制面還有組織面技術面來有效打擊這個相關的詐欺案那防止民眾受騙的案例一再發生我剛剛拜聽了我們早上的這個質詢我們在一整年的這個詐騙的相關這個案件"},{"start":60.725,"end":68.098,"text":"目前看起來一整年下來都超過一千億以上那也要避免這個民眾"},{"start":70.1,"end":95.711,"text":"再次受騙也要避免一些民眾因為不知情被詐騙集團當作是犯罪的一個工具從今天報告的題目也反映到目前移工和少年涉入詐欺的數量有增加的情況不但容易蒙受無謂的損失甚至被詐騙集團看準來吸收進而控制成為共犯這對於政府打擊犯罪"},{"start":96.451,"end":98.313,"text":"臺灣目前大約有80萬名外籍移工從世界各地來臺灣打拚賺錢"},{"start":118.212,"end":137.301,"text":"但是在台的這些移工涉詐的人數從111年的382人到今年已經超過700人那這裡我想先就叫我們的次長對於這個詐騙集團是如何來威逼利誘吸收移工包括"},{"start":138.181,"end":155.227,"text":"過去我們曾經聽說是針對這些經濟壓力或是可能以毒品、藥物加以控制的方式來誘使外籍工去協助他們從事不法的行為這些手段和管道可能會與時俱進我看現在的詐騙集團比較多是"},{"start":162.409,"end":173.867,"text":"用一些比較新穎的方式那我想請教市長就是他們是透過什麼樣的方式和管道我們的主管機關有沒有確實掌握這些相關的事證"},{"start":175.311,"end":200.101,"text":"跟委員報告我們在目前查緝到的個案裡面我們分析外籍移工絕大多數他如果涉及詐欺犯罪的案件都是透過他的同鄉管道互相來介紹有他的同鄉管道裡面之前有人從事於詐欺犯罪那就在誘使這個移工尤其是我們逃逸的移工因為他有經濟上的一個需求"},{"start":200.521,"end":222.188,"text":"所以他就會把他的門號跟帳戶交出來交給這個詐騙集團來利用那本身也可能成為車手所以在移工這塊我們除了多語化的宣導之外另外就是說透過包括勞動部的合作我們希望能夠從他們的一些團體來下手希望能夠讓這個部分降低"},{"start":222.768,"end":243.38,"text":"好 那聽起來我們也是有這個相對應的措施在進行當中那我也希望說這個部分可能要加緊腳步那其中剛剛那個次長你也說到這個門號的部分有一些這個犯罪集團他會去利用這些人頭帳戶外籍移工的人頭帳戶"},{"start":245.271,"end":263.422,"text":"來取得他們的這個電信號碼幫助他們來洗錢或詐欺的這個案件那尤其這個人頭帳戶的部分有可能在他們要出盡錢這個外籍移工就有用高價來賣給這個詐騙集團這個應該在坊間都聽得到甚至還有這個一個行情價目表在那邊"},{"start":271.027,"end":280.291,"text":"那我想目前我們銀行是不是能夠及時掌握到移民署和勞動部所提供的這類型的相關資訊"},{"start":289.332,"end":306.955,"text":"跟委員報告我們在移民署的部分我們有提供包括通傳會跟金管會他移工本身的一個入出境的一個資料的借接那這部分我們也透過各自委員會同意那這個符合我們各自法的規定"},{"start":307.876,"end":334.033,"text":"那這個屆屆之後呢移工一旦離開台灣他的門號跟帳戶我們就會由金管會跟這個通傳會來做門號跟帳戶的管制是通知電信業者停號還是如何去管控停號嘛直接停號就好因為他既然移工已經離開台灣就就表示他這個門號就沒有用了嘛好那對於這個電信門號的這個詐騙來說齁"},{"start":336.915,"end":365.129,"text":"有關電信業者KYC的這個管理是不是能夠落實我看剛剛那個市長您也大概有掌握了那包括這個9月份給NCC開通查詢外籍的這個人士入出境的資訊能否和電信業者的這個之間來一個合作我想這還是要拜託我們內政部這邊跟相關電信業者有一個緊密的合作那許多這個失聯的移工"},{"start":366.189,"end":390.495,"text":"是我們政府難以掌握的一個族群到目前9月份我們全台灣已經超過8萬8千人的移工受到詐騙集團的鎖定有可能使這些失聯的移工被較高的酬金誘使從事不法甚至反而成為被詐騙的一個對象"},{"start":392.876,"end":407.421,"text":"那礙於身份沒辦法報警或是尋求其他協助那對於失聯移工設詐或是被詐的情形能否來自源頭管理或是其他的因應措施我想這個部分還是請次長大概說明一下"},{"start":408.508,"end":422.831,"text":"跟委員報告我們現在在失業移工的部分因為主要的原因是因為台灣的經濟環境他如果在這個外面的所謂的黑工市場打工他的工作機會多"},{"start":424.052,"end":438.6,"text":"那酬勞也比他原本的這個工作可能高所以就變成是誘使他失聯一個主要的一個理由那我們現在在查緝的部分移民署我們有在加強所有的查緝的力道並沒有停下來"},{"start":439.9,"end":458.604,"text":"至於移工本身涉詐的部分我們現在在查緝的過程裡面我們會從每一個個案去回溯他涉詐的原因跟他背後的集團所以這部分我們在移民署跟警政署我們都有配合雙方把這個資訊我們要做交流好"},{"start":462.383,"end":476.636,"text":"另外就是對於我們要提升試詐的能力有可能會減少受騙的情形來產生包括透過各種傳播管道來製作不同形式的宣傳隨時可以更新防詐的資訊"},{"start":477.617,"end":493.871,"text":"例如勞動部有製作相關的圖卡包括有英文、泰文、越南文、印尼文等版本移民署還有加入緬甸文、柬埔寨文其他部會則不一定有提供相關語言版本"},{"start":494.491,"end":511.397,"text":"但如果都是為了要讓外籍人士能夠獲取最新的相關防詐的宣導資訊那這個部分我想應該由內政部來主責是不是可以來整合讓防詐的文宣有更多語言版本能夠更完備"},{"start":513.083,"end":529.473,"text":"我們這個是不是移民署可以...移民署...對對對對對...跟...跟委員報告就是我們行政局會把詐騙的各種的手法就是多國語言提供...提供給各相關這個部會來做一個...一個試詐的一個選擇"},{"start":532.115,"end":546.088,"text":"那我還是請我們指揮中心指揮中心這邊跟我們警政署這邊來加強這個相關的這個演繹讓我們四詐的這種宣傳能夠更加的友善那另外"},{"start":546.528,"end":568.485,"text":"對於這個國內我們少年涉詐的情形也越來越嚴重近年來已經查獲上萬人我們各級學校現在都應該有這個相關的這些法治教育有向這些學生來宣導切勿這個以身釋法但先前我們警方的這個統計數字明知違法仍然要從事詐騙行為的"},{"start":570.286,"end":584.719,"text":"這個犯案少年佔了七成以上這部分顯然我們的法治教育的部分出現了警訊有必要再進行研議和改善那對於在學校裡面上課的同學我們或許比較能夠掌握情況"},{"start":585.279,"end":599.437,"text":"但對於在校園以外的地方更是能夠誘使青少年接觸詐騙行為的地方我們應該要如何來防堵詐團對於青少年的接觸以降低我們這些少年處罰的機會"},{"start":607.079,"end":614.83,"text":"跟委員報告就是說這個少年去觸犯這個這個詐團但是少年可能是學生那現在我們發現到這個"},{"start":619.075,"end":627.099,"text":"從111年大概剛剛這裡面到少年去犯罪我們大概有380幾個人112年有700多人那113年到12年大概也有700多這個趨勢是上升的那這裡面看起來就是說他的這個案件裡面"},{"start":637.685,"end":660.488,"text":"大概都是以人頭或是帳戶的居多那怎麼要去做防堵呢?我們第一個就是要去做一個市長的一個宣導那這個宣導的部分我們特別強調就是說你不要認為你是少年是沒有責任你家長要負連帶的這個責任讓這一個他犯罪之後能夠有所有所嚇阻"},{"start":661.729,"end":681.36,"text":"第二部分就是說對於這些可能就是高風險的這些的少年那我們會去再加強去做一個瞭解跟查解所謂的高風險就是說可能這個失血啦臭血啦這些中臭症也會特別去做瞭解這個情形那第三個部分對於這一個"},{"start":683.941,"end":703.387,"text":"是不是屬於這個少年犯罪的這個教唆者我們會加強去做幕後集團的一個做這樣的一個查集那我們不管是校園內跟校園外或者是私學、中輟生什麼這些我們全方面會來做一個一個了解跟解決"},{"start":704.807,"end":730.062,"text":"好 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