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00:00:47,085\n委員早主委好我們針對於促進人力資源發展跟推動人口以及移民政策強化整個延攬國際人才的這個部分我們來討論我看到在你114年的預算裡頭你編列了8900萬元那我們據各種產業的主管在112年下半年度他陸續發布\n\n3\n00:00:57,395 --> 00:00:57,575\n第1項第2項第3項第4項第5項第6項\n\n4\n00:01:17,026 --> 00:01:35,319\n這是佔多數而且在IC設計、智慧機械以及數位醫療這個產業約有7成以上的廠商一致反映人才不足在這樣的情況之下本席首先要請教面對重點產業人力不足的問題那國防會你要嚴謹怎麼樣的一個因應方案\n\n5\n00:01:41,903 --> 00:02:03,660\n比如說是不是會加強延攬外國專業人才來提升我們整個的產業競爭力請做說明是的我們對於外國專業人才我們修訂的法令我們會更寬鬆的調整我們的吸引力那目前我們即將會進入那個預覽期另外我們也對什麼時候會預覽\n\n6\n00:02:05,168 --> 00:02:18,400\n我們現在還有一些細節的部分你的時間大概什麼時候會公布呢?因為這個本席跟你討論過很多次我們也希望現在是無國界所有全世界的人才要怎麼樣去交流請問你們預估什麼時候會預覽?\n\n7\n00:02:21,411 --> 00:02:42,049\n我們預估應該還要再三個禮拜喔,原因是我解釋一下三個禮拜,那就是因為我們現在臨時加入了中階人才進到這個法條裡面再增加一個中階人才對,那中階人才主要是對一些技術工那我們現在發現其實勞工進來是不能解決技術問題是,所以中階人才所以我們希望對中階人才就類似工程師類的\n\n8\n00:02:44,091 --> 00:02:50,218\n對,像旱階,譬如說具5年工作經驗的旱階工等等那現在對這個定義我們希望定義得更清楚所以預計在3個禮拜後就是下個月月中就在12月中可以去公告外國這個專業人才的一個\n\n9\n00:03:00,632 --> 00:03:03,675\n基金、花東地區永續發展基金、花東地區永續發展基金、花東地區永續發展基金、花東地區永續發展基金、花東地區永續發展基金、花東地區永續發展基金、花東地區永續發展\n\n10\n00:03:17,668 --> 00:03:28,852\n在你的114年裡頭你的績效管理那你向下是編列1628萬2000元那在這個當中我們看到本席覺得邏輯很奇怪107年到112年你總共有23項是緩半\n\n11\n00:03:33,934 --> 00:03:45,380\n或者是停辦那這個每一年你都有緩辦跟停辦跟預警機制到現在你唯一曾列入退場評估的有兩項第一個整建長照衛福這個據點計畫第二個是建構0到2歲兒童社區公共托育計畫這兩項\n\n12\n00:03:57,626 --> 00:04:21,597\n但是你雖然有納入評估停辦但是你到目前為止還是在執行中沒有一家退場本席非常的重視教育本席也非常的重視長者這個目前這兩項都是在我們的地方裡頭非常熱烈迫切需要為什麼在我們的地方這麼需求你竟然會曾經要列入他停辦\n\n13\n00:04:22,777 --> 00:04:45,280\n而且本席不知道到底你們現在的政策方向到底是怎麼樣所以本席要跟你討論的就是說你的整個預警機制怎麼跟我們的地方會落差那麼大呢你的執行效率到底是怎麼樣你既然預警要停辦唯一兩項又是本席最重視的\n\n14\n00:04:47,592 --> 00:04:54,623\n這個太奇怪了那你們在疫情之際到底出了什麼問題呢?你現有的退漲條件你要怎麼去調整?\n\n15\n00:04:56,810 --> 00:05:23,939\n請說明我這個我想委員講得很好我們這個當時列入這個配上主要是他執行的進度是有落差那達到達到一定的程度但是因為這兩件事就像您講的這是非常重要的事所以因為他非常重要所以我們現在並沒有深圳實施本期具體要求你要把你的預警必須要跟我們的社會面向要能夠吻合您剛才主委說的是因為他的績效不好\n\n16\n00:05:26,261 --> 00:05:36,268\n那當然你在整個執行的過程當中社會需求執行效果不好問題出在哪裡你申請的條件到底是怎麼樣你應該從這邊去討論而不是直接把它列到這個退場機制這個讓人家看了會嚇一跳啊\n\n17\n00:05:42,833 --> 00:05:50,806\n沒錯我們現在正在調整中因為當時是很多地方像長照來講他先申請然後又發現條件不符或者是你承認需要調整是嗎對我們會調整畢竟是要調整多久時間去調整方案出來給本席\n\n18\n00:05:59,020 --> 00:06:16,842\n這個讓人家嚇一跳啊我們這個一個月內給你說明報告一個月內去將你的預警機制監督機制去調整好送出來好不好不要讓基層不知所措啊這個長照跟這個幼兒是最重要的竟然是列在國發會的推\n\n19\n00:06:18,684 --> 00:06:43,614\n退場機制!笑話!真的笑話!接下來本席跟你討論半導體人才的這個問題本席要請教喔半導體學院呢竟然大專院校有人說據媒體報導說我們有去指揮人家要怎麼做要怎麼做有這回事嗎?沒有啊因為我們官方經營人根本就忙不過來了你忙不過來沒有這回事你有沒有看到報導這麼報導\n\n20\n00:06:46,359 --> 00:07:13,776\n呃...我沒有看到...但我...你們不是有情報...有這個...這個...每天的新聞情收嗎?本席具體建議如果你們確實沒有去干涉那你應該要提出聲明對不對?不要讓各大專院下...大家有所恐慌阿是不是?是的所以本席要請教喔那個...呃...我們郭部長說台積電每一年要在台灣蓋一座廠對不對?\n\n21\n00:07:15,726 --> 00:07:39,282\n就他這幾天的言論對那在這樣的情況之下我們不管是大學或者是半導體的學院這些人才的需求都是非常的需要都是非常的需要所以我們也要請教這些的缺口每一年要一座台積電更何況還有很多的產業很多的公司他也會設啊\n\n22\n00:07:40,203 --> 00:07:59,577\n那你的人才跟目前你在培育的你的KPI你怎麼做你預估你的人才缺口大概會有多少半島體的人才我們現在預估一年要有至少要有6000人一年至少要有6000人對對對而且是逐步在增加對不對\n\n23\n00:08:01,279 --> 00:08:17,352\n每一年要增加對每一年要成長那如果像這個主任你所說的你了解這個產業那你人才你的來源要怎麼來我們有跟這些主要的廠商密切在關注他的設廠時間跟招募時間\n\n24\n00:08:18,713 --> 00:08:38,954\n我們基本上以學校為主另外還有就是您現在看到的重點領域的學生為主目前以國內來講半導體的供給量是比較夠但是它產生了對其他產業的反擊效應所以我們跟相關的部會有在探討這件事情\n\n25\n00:08:39,554 --> 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--> 00:04.365\n下一位質詢請楊瓊英委員謝謝主席楊瓊英委員請主委請國會劉主委\n\n00:33.451 --> 00:47.085\n委員早主委好我們針對於促進人力資源發展跟推動人口以及移民政策強化整個延攬國際人才的這個部分我們來討論我看到在你114年的預算裡頭你編列了8900萬元那我們據各種產業的主管在112年下半年度他陸續發布\n\n00:57.395 --> 00:57.575\n第1項第2項第3項第4項第5項第6項\n\n01:17.026 --> 01:35.319\n這是佔多數而且在IC設計、智慧機械以及數位醫療這個產業約有7成以上的廠商一致反映人才不足在這樣的情況之下本席首先要請教面對重點產業人力不足的問題那國防會你要嚴謹怎麼樣的一個因應方案\n\n01:41.903 --> 02:03.660\n比如說是不是會加強延攬外國專業人才來提升我們整個的產業競爭力請做說明是的我們對於外國專業人才我們修訂的法令我們會更寬鬆的調整我們的吸引力那目前我們即將會進入那個預覽期另外我們也對什麼時候會預覽\n\n02:05.168 --> 02:18.400\n我們現在還有一些細節的部分你的時間大概什麼時候會公布呢?因為這個本席跟你討論過很多次我們也希望現在是無國界所有全世界的人才要怎麼樣去交流請問你們預估什麼時候會預覽?\n\n02:21.411 --> 02:42.049\n我們預估應該還要再三個禮拜喔,原因是我解釋一下三個禮拜,那就是因為我們現在臨時加入了中階人才進到這個法條裡面再增加一個中階人才對,那中階人才主要是對一些技術工那我們現在發現其實勞工進來是不能解決技術問題是,所以中階人才所以我們希望對中階人才就類似工程師類的\n\n02:44.091 --> 02:50.218\n對,像旱階,譬如說具5年工作經驗的旱階工等等那現在對這個定義我們希望定義得更清楚所以預計在3個禮拜後就是下個月月中就在12月中可以去公告外國這個專業人才的一個\n\n03:00.632 --> 03:03.675\n基金、花東地區永續發展基金、花東地區永續發展基金、花東地區永續發展基金、花東地區永續發展基金、花東地區永續發展基金、花東地區永續發展基金、花東地區永續發展\n\n03:17.668 --> 03:28.852\n在你的114年裡頭你的績效管理那你向下是編列1628萬2000元那在這個當中我們看到本席覺得邏輯很奇怪107年到112年你總共有23項是緩半\n\n03:33.934 --> 03:45.380\n或者是停辦那這個每一年你都有緩辦跟停辦跟預警機制到現在你唯一曾列入退場評估的有兩項第一個整建長照衛福這個據點計畫第二個是建構0到2歲兒童社區公共托育計畫這兩項\n\n03:57.626 --> 04:21.597\n但是你雖然有納入評估停辦但是你到目前為止還是在執行中沒有一家退場本席非常的重視教育本席也非常的重視長者這個目前這兩項都是在我們的地方裡頭非常熱烈迫切需要為什麼在我們的地方這麼需求你竟然會曾經要列入他停辦\n\n04:22.777 --> 04:45.280\n而且本席不知道到底你們現在的政策方向到底是怎麼樣所以本席要跟你討論的就是說你的整個預警機制怎麼跟我們的地方會落差那麼大呢你的執行效率到底是怎麼樣你既然預警要停辦唯一兩項又是本席最重視的\n\n04:47.592 --> 04:54.623\n這個太奇怪了那你們在疫情之際到底出了什麼問題呢?你現有的退漲條件你要怎麼去調整?\n\n04:56.810 --> 05:23.939\n請說明我這個我想委員講得很好我們這個當時列入這個配上主要是他執行的進度是有落差那達到達到一定的程度但是因為這兩件事就像您講的這是非常重要的事所以因為他非常重要所以我們現在並沒有深圳實施本期具體要求你要把你的預警必須要跟我們的社會面向要能夠吻合您剛才主委說的是因為他的績效不好\n\n05:26.261 --> 05:36.268\n那當然你在整個執行的過程當中社會需求執行效果不好問題出在哪裡你申請的條件到底是怎麼樣你應該從這邊去討論而不是直接把它列到這個退場機制這個讓人家看了會嚇一跳啊\n\n05:42.833 --> 05:50.806\n沒錯我們現在正在調整中因為當時是很多地方像長照來講他先申請然後又發現條件不符或者是你承認需要調整是嗎對我們會調整畢竟是要調整多久時間去調整方案出來給本席\n\n05:59.020 --> 06:16.842\n這個讓人家嚇一跳啊我們這個一個月內給你說明報告一個月內去將你的預警機制監督機制去調整好送出來好不好不要讓基層不知所措啊這個長照跟這個幼兒是最重要的竟然是列在國發會的推\n\n06:18.684 --> 06:43.614\n退場機制!笑話!真的笑話!接下來本席跟你討論半導體人才的這個問題本席要請教喔半導體學院呢竟然大專院校有人說據媒體報導說我們有去指揮人家要怎麼做要怎麼做有這回事嗎?沒有啊因為我們官方經營人根本就忙不過來了你忙不過來沒有這回事你有沒有看到報導這麼報導\n\n06:46.359 --> 07:13.776\n呃...我沒有看到...但我...你們不是有情報...有這個...這個...每天的新聞情收嗎?本席具體建議如果你們確實沒有去干涉那你應該要提出聲明對不對?不要讓各大專院下...大家有所恐慌阿是不是?是的所以本席要請教喔那個...呃...我們郭部長說台積電每一年要在台灣蓋一座廠對不對?\n\n07:15.726 --> 07:39.282\n就他這幾天的言論對那在這樣的情況之下我們不管是大學或者是半導體的學院這些人才的需求都是非常的需要都是非常的需要所以我們也要請教這些的缺口每一年要一座台積電更何況還有很多的產業很多的公司他也會設啊\n\n07:40.203 --> 07:59.577\n那你的人才跟目前你在培育的你的KPI你怎麼做你預估你的人才缺口大概會有多少半島體的人才我們現在預估一年要有至少要有6000人一年至少要有6000人對對對而且是逐步在增加對不對\n\n08:01.279 --> 08:17.352\n每一年要增加對每一年要成長那如果像這個主任你所說的你了解這個產業那你人才你的來源要怎麼來我們有跟這些主要的廠商密切在關注他的設廠時間跟招募時間\n\n08:18.713 --> 08:38.954\n我們基本上以學校為主另外還有就是您現在看到的重點領域的學生為主目前以國內來講半導體的供給量是比較夠但是它產生了對其他產業的反擊效應所以我們跟相關的部會有在探討這件事情\n\n08:39.554 --> 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