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00:02:45,164\n近3年來文化部所屬的11個博物館及美術館裏面居然有7間購買藏品。您剛剛所提到的第一個就提到的藏品增加的方法竟然是零件。兩年是零件的一共有8間。請問部長您了解博物館購藏文物掛零的原因嗎?\n\n9\n00:02:46,721 --> 00:03:03,505\n為什麼會這樣?因為掛鈴嘛!所以他們就乾脆就不編啦!他們就不編啦!因為你剛剛問的是線上購償?沒有沒有沒有,我現在在問的是實際,就全部就購償啦!是總購償喔!上面寫總購償喔!\n\n10\n00:03:08,743 --> 00:03:14,625\n所以部長我現在是在幫您抽絲剝繭就是說其實您一開始就是說購買產品是很重要的來源嘛那結果呢我們說有多少這個這個場館是有編列這個預算來購買然後呢我們得到的答案是有的沒有\n\n11\n00:03:26,368 --> 00:03:26,408\n閱讀檢查結果\n\n12\n00:03:51,889 --> 00:04:19,062\n相關人士告訴我們答案是藏品太貴這只是一個部分博物館的預算有可能買不起但是這只是一部分現行文物、文化部所屬博物館的文物購藏程序太繁瑣這也是其中一個部分等到確認要買的時候藏品早就被人家買走我們來看一下文化部所屬博物館的購藏流程第一個你要先確認經費額度第二個我是很想朗讀但真的有點長但你大概可以理解\n\n13\n00:04:20,063 --> 00:04:34,143\n當這些東西要有專家討論、審議、通過,動完的時候這個產品也輪不到你來買了。所以我想這種流程就導致我們整體展品購藏的機制。\n\n14\n00:04:55,632 --> 00:05:24,533\n新的專案其中一個114年度的預算案重建台灣史2.0社會發展計畫編列了八千萬元要籌設還只是籌設還沒開始蓋國家級現代美術館這八千萬裡面有沒有夠長的預算難道我們的國家級的現代美術館裡面的展品都要靠捐贈都要靠轉移嗎請部長說明那如果我們過去是這樣的經歷我們是這樣的一個習慣國家美術館展品來源要如何規劃\n\n15\n00:05:52,599 --> 00:06:04,523\n沒關係如果有就提供出來那一千萬夠不夠我想這個也要評估一下這國家級嘛對不對沒關係待會解釋我總體來講想要講就是說希望部長了解一下相關構藏的辦法是不是讓流程可以更加的激動與彈性否則我們歷史一直在演進巨輪一直在推結果我們現在的管藏是沒有流動的就是說沒有新的管藏進來\n\n16\n00:06:19,947 --> 00:06:40,670\n台灣我們這種對文化的學習其實受到影響了那當然您剛剛有提到線上沒錯阿巴手的這個藝術報告裡面就提到線上競標其實市場一直增加尤其在COVID-19之後那這一次呢我們其實也看到啦阿台配有跟像Artacy、蘇富比都有合作\n\n17\n00:06:41,351 --> 00:06:51,517\n所以我想線上購藏有沒有可能文化部也研議作為博物館購買藏品的方式之一你會節省掉很多開支這個有沒有可能來研議一下\n\n18\n00:06:53,626 --> 00:07:16,618\n在這個之前我們完全沒有這個部分,我想我們來研究看看。對,因為你這樣人員可以減少去出訪,也可以透過網路的方式來增加館長。提到就是說你如果有線上購買,其實現在也有線上展廳,我也必須要說有的博物館做得非常好,像是國立歷史博物館的360度的環景導覽就做得很棒。\n\n19\n00:07:17,358 --> 00:07:34,240\n但是呢有一些線上展覽則是從2021年以後就沒有更新那當然剛剛那也是啦有點可惜希望再給予鼓勵那新館長洪世祐館長剛剛上任期待可以重現這個線上展廳的這個建制甚至再更進一步啦\n\n20\n00:07:34,820 --> 00:07:46,868\n當然國立台灣史前博物館就稍微比較潦草除了文字簡介以外就沒有其他內容我們也期待蔡正良館長要拿出具體的作為我想都在現場我想我們是鼓勵不要讓這個線上布展來荒廢接下來我們審查114年度預算的時候各位博物館各個博物館只要有心去做這些線上的這個行為能夠\n\n21\n00:08:46,733 --> 00:09:05,336\n那有十幾家公司得獎,但是我們追溯了一下發現,其實目前為止12個優秀得入選的提案裡面,真正被10件得到後續政府的合作也好,或推薦也好,或者把提案再擴大也好,只有兩件。\n\n22\n00:09:06,397 --> 00:09:33,072\n所以我希望部長能不能我們給予新興藝術的創作者多一點關注投入資源持續追蹤他們的後續發展不要我們三億花掉了找到一些不錯的團隊跟人員結果我們沒有後續的福祉這部分部長可不可以來允諾一下好沒問題第二件事情真的是拜託部長我們一起努力這次年輕藝術家因為這個不幸出事的事件真的有非常多藝文圈的朋友感嘆\n\n23\n00:09:34,873 --> 00:09:58,758\n關於文化藝術工作者,其實很多是採用短期工作契約、自由接案或專案制的工作,其實屬於非典型的工作者。在不同的僱主之下,其實是受僱的,他沒有一個長期僱主。他工作頻率跟收入的波動也很大,其實他們很可能沒有辦法被提供這種一般性的健康檢查。所以其實這個促使事件發生之後,\n\n24\n00:10:00,528 --> 00:10:21,281\n除了南國以外我看到很多的藝文工作者說彼此提醒彼此要做健康檢查但是他們其實沒有這方面的幫助那當然他們還可能要次數監課啦或接觸到一些粉塵等等犧牲健康作為藝術跟文化創作的代價這些創作者呢其實沒有雇主不能依法享有定期的健康檢查\n\n25\n00:10:22,282 --> 00:10:50,972\n文化部作為創作者們的大家長應該要關注藝人工作者的健康權其實本席在今天上台質詢以前呢就已經和勞動部的職安署達成共識他們願意真的很謝謝齁這個勞動部也有非常多的同仁還是很努力啦齁這個這個他們願意齁這個跟文化部衛福部一起來守護藝人工作者的健康本席能不能在此要求文化部勞動部衛福部共同會商\n\n26\n00:10:52,691 --> 00:11:15,695\n我們一起研議出一個文化產業自營工作者在安全衛生防護與健康檢查的補助方案。我們能不能一起來照顧這些文化工作者的健康?能不能有部長的支持?我們這個其實已經在進行跟藝文工作者的這個相關職災保護等等。所以我自己本身也非常願意做這個事。\n\n27\n00:11:16,311 --> 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對不對沒關係待會解釋我總體來講想要講就是說希望部長了解一下相關構藏的辦法是不是讓流程可以更加的激動與彈性否則我們歷史一直在演進巨輪一直在推結果我們現在的管藏是沒有流動的就是說沒有新的管藏進來\n379947\t400670\t台灣我們這種對文化的學習其實受到影響了那當然您剛剛有提到線上沒錯阿巴手的這個藝術報告裡面就提到線上競標其實市場一直增加尤其在COVID-19之後那這一次呢我們其實也看到啦阿台配有跟像Artacy、蘇富比都有合作\n401351\t411517\t所以我想線上購藏有沒有可能文化部也研議作為博物館購買藏品的方式之一你會節省掉很多開支這個有沒有可能來研議一下\n413626\t436618\t在這個之前我們完全沒有這個部分,我想我們來研究看看。對,因為你這樣人員可以減少去出訪,也可以透過網路的方式來增加館長。提到就是說你如果有線上購買,其實現在也有線上展廳,我也必須要說有的博物館做得非常好,像是國立歷史博物館的360度的環景導覽就做得很棒。\n437358\t454240\t但是呢有一些線上展覽則是從2021年以後就沒有更新那當然剛剛那也是啦有點可惜希望再給予鼓勵那新館長洪世祐館長剛剛上任期待可以重現這個線上展廳的這個建制甚至再更進一步啦\n454820\t466868\t當然國立台灣史前博物館就稍微比較潦草除了文字簡介以外就沒有其他內容我們也期待蔡正良館長要拿出具體的作為我想都在現場我想我們是鼓勵不要讓這個線上布展來荒廢接下來我們審查114年度預算的時候各位博物館各個博物館只要有心去做這些線上的這個行為能夠\n478456\t504616\t\n504616\t526613\t議員議員議員\n526733\t545336\t那有十幾家公司得獎,但是我們追溯了一下發現,其實目前為止12個優秀得入選的提案裡面,真正被10件得到後續政府的合作也好,或推薦也好,或者把提案再擴大也好,只有兩件。\n546397\t573072\t所以我希望部長能不能我們給予新興藝術的創作者多一點關注投入資源持續追蹤他們的後續發展不要我們三億花掉了找到一些不錯的團隊跟人員結果我們沒有後續的福祉這部分部長可不可以來允諾一下好沒問題第二件事情真的是拜託部長我們一起努力這次年輕藝術家因為這個不幸出事的事件真的有非常多藝文圈的朋友感嘆\n574873\t598758\t關於文化藝術工作者,其實很多是採用短期工作契約、自由接案或專案制的工作,其實屬於非典型的工作者。在不同的僱主之下,其實是受僱的,他沒有一個長期僱主。他工作頻率跟收入的波動也很大,其實他們很可能沒有辦法被提供這種一般性的健康檢查。所以其實這個促使事件發生之後,\n600528\t621281\t除了南國以外我看到很多的藝文工作者說彼此提醒彼此要做健康檢查但是他們其實沒有這方面的幫助那當然他們還可能要次數監課啦或接觸到一些粉塵等等犧牲健康作為藝術跟文化創作的代價這些創作者呢其實沒有雇主不能依法享有定期的健康檢查\n622282\t650972\t文化部作為創作者們的大家長應該要關注藝人工作者的健康權其實本席在今天上台質詢以前呢就已經和勞動部的職安署達成共識他們願意真的很謝謝齁這個勞動部也有非常多的同仁還是很努力啦齁這個這個他們願意齁這個跟文化部衛福部一起來守護藝人工作者的健康本席能不能在此要求文化部勞動部衛福部共同會商\n652691\t675695\t我們一起研議出一個文化產業自營工作者在安全衛生防護與健康檢查的補助方案。我們能不能一起來照顧這些文化工作者的健康?能不能有部長的支持?我們這個其實已經在進行跟藝文工作者的這個相關職災保護等等。所以我自己本身也非常願意做這個事。\n676311\t677253\t感謝葛如荊委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席,有請文化部李遠部長。好,有請李部長。\n委員好部長好今天的主題是文化部114年的預算案詢答我們都知道依據博物館法第9條博物館應該依據英本專業倫理確認文物標本藝術品等收藏品質全員及取得方式之合法性先請教一下部長據你所知博物館要合法取得藏品有哪幾種管道\n一方面是我們自己收購,一方面是別人捐贈。很好,謝謝部長。確實,一開始我們在這個相關的這個要點裡頭,那國立台灣歷史博物館整理得很好。它的藏品取得方式,第一個就是您提到的購買,第二個捐贈,再來轉移採集交換。接著請問部長,114年度文化部所屬的11個博物館和美術館當中,\n有沒有哪幾個有編列所謂的採買或購買收藏品的預算?11個博物館和美術館應該都有編吧\n議員主席\nadequate to the current state of affairs in the United States.\n因為我們總體預算不高所以在分配上像國立台灣博物館這種我們就編一些預算繼續購買那其他就使用原來我們購買的東西我想其實我們的這個質詢您的備詢其實有一個很好的這個互動的機制啦其實我們也在協作我們也幫您整理了其實近年來各個博物館購置產品的情況根據文化部提供給我們的資料這是歷史資料\n近3年來文化部所屬的11個博物館及美術館裏面居然有7間購買藏品。您剛剛所提到的第一個就提到的藏品增加的方法竟然是零件。兩年是零件的一共有8間。請問部長您了解博物館購藏文物掛零的原因嗎?\n為什麼會這樣?因為掛鈴嘛!所以他們就乾脆就不編啦!他們就不編啦!因為你剛剛問的是線上購償?沒有沒有沒有,我現在在問的是實際,就全部就購償啦!是總購償喔!上面寫總購償喔!\n所以部長我現在是在幫您抽絲剝繭就是說其實您一開始就是說購買產品是很重要的來源嘛那結果呢我們說有多少這個這個場館是有編列這個預算來購買然後呢我們得到的答案是有的沒有\n閱讀檢查結果\n相關人士告訴我們答案是藏品太貴這只是一個部分博物館的預算有可能買不起但是這只是一部分現行文物、文化部所屬博物館的文物購藏程序太繁瑣這也是其中一個部分等到確認要買的時候藏品早就被人家買走我們來看一下文化部所屬博物館的購藏流程第一個你要先確認經費額度第二個我是很想朗讀但真的有點長但你大概可以理解\n當這些東西要有專家討論、審議、通過,動完的時候這個產品也輪不到你來買了。所以我想這種流程就導致我們整體展品購藏的機制。\n\n新的專案其中一個114年度的預算案重建台灣史2.0社會發展計畫編列了八千萬元要籌設還只是籌設還沒開始蓋國家級現代美術館這八千萬裡面有沒有夠長的預算難道我們的國家級的現代美術館裡面的展品都要靠捐贈都要靠轉移嗎請部長說明那如果我們過去是這樣的經歷我們是這樣的一個習慣國家美術館展品來源要如何規劃\n議員議員\n沒關係 如果有就提供出來那一千萬夠不夠我想這個也要評估一下這國家級嘛 對不對沒關係待會解釋我總體來講想要講就是說希望部長了解一下相關構藏的辦法是不是讓流程可以更加的激動與彈性否則我們歷史一直在演進巨輪一直在推結果我們現在的管藏是沒有流動的就是說沒有新的管藏進來\n台灣我們這種對文化的學習其實受到影響了那當然您剛剛有提到線上沒錯阿巴手的這個藝術報告裡面就提到線上競標其實市場一直增加尤其在COVID-19之後那這一次呢我們其實也看到啦阿台配有跟像Artacy、蘇富比都有合作\n所以我想線上購藏有沒有可能文化部也研議作為博物館購買藏品的方式之一你會節省掉很多開支這個有沒有可能來研議一下\n在這個之前我們完全沒有這個部分,我想我們來研究看看。對,因為你這樣人員可以減少去出訪,也可以透過網路的方式來增加館長。提到就是說你如果有線上購買,其實現在也有線上展廳,我也必須要說有的博物館做得非常好,像是國立歷史博物館的360度的環景導覽就做得很棒。\n但是呢有一些線上展覽則是從2021年以後就沒有更新那當然剛剛那也是啦有點可惜希望再給予鼓勵那新館長洪世祐館長剛剛上任期待可以重現這個線上展廳的這個建制甚至再更進一步啦\n當然國立台灣史前博物館就稍微比較潦草除了文字簡介以外就沒有其他內容我們也期待蔡正良館長要拿出具體的作為我想都在現場我想我們是鼓勵不要讓這個線上布展來荒廢接下來我們審查114年度預算的時候各位博物館各個博物館只要有心去做這些線上的這個行為能夠\n\n議員議員議員\n那有十幾家公司得獎,但是我們追溯了一下發現,其實目前為止12個優秀得入選的提案裡面,真正被10件得到後續政府的合作也好,或推薦也好,或者把提案再擴大也好,只有兩件。\n所以我希望部長能不能我們給予新興藝術的創作者多一點關注投入資源持續追蹤他們的後續發展不要我們三億花掉了找到一些不錯的團隊跟人員結果我們沒有後續的福祉這部分部長可不可以來允諾一下好沒問題第二件事情真的是拜託部長我們一起努力這次年輕藝術家因為這個不幸出事的事件真的有非常多藝文圈的朋友感嘆\n關於文化藝術工作者,其實很多是採用短期工作契約、自由接案或專案制的工作,其實屬於非典型的工作者。在不同的僱主之下,其實是受僱的,他沒有一個長期僱主。他工作頻率跟收入的波動也很大,其實他們很可能沒有辦法被提供這種一般性的健康檢查。所以其實這個促使事件發生之後,\n除了南國以外我看到很多的藝文工作者說彼此提醒彼此要做健康檢查但是他們其實沒有這方面的幫助那當然他們還可能要次數監課啦或接觸到一些粉塵等等犧牲健康作為藝術跟文化創作的代價這些創作者呢其實沒有雇主不能依法享有定期的健康檢查\n文化部作為創作者們的大家長應該要關注藝人工作者的健康權其實本席在今天上台質詢以前呢就已經和勞動部的職安署達成共識他們願意真的很謝謝齁這個勞動部也有非常多的同仁還是很努力啦齁這個這個他們願意齁這個跟文化部衛福部一起來守護藝人工作者的健康本席能不能在此要求文化部勞動部衛福部共同會商\n我們一起研議出一個文化產業自營工作者在安全衛生防護與健康檢查的補助方案。我們能不能一起來照顧這些文化工作者的健康?能不能有部長的支持?我們這個其實已經在進行跟藝文工作者的這個相關職災保護等等。所以我自己本身也非常願意做這個事。\n感謝葛如荊委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.255 --> 00:10.753\n謝謝主席,有請文化部李遠部長。好,有請李部長。\n\n00:15.510 --> 00:39.037\n委員好部長好今天的主題是文化部114年的預算案詢答我們都知道依據博物館法第9條博物館應該依據英本專業倫理確認文物標本藝術品等收藏品質全員及取得方式之合法性先請教一下部長據你所知博物館要合法取得藏品有哪幾種管道\n\n00:41.907 --> 01:04.196\n一方面是我們自己收購,一方面是別人捐贈。很好,謝謝部長。確實,一開始我們在這個相關的這個要點裡頭,那國立台灣歷史博物館整理得很好。它的藏品取得方式,第一個就是您提到的購買,第二個捐贈,再來轉移採集交換。接著請問部長,114年度文化部所屬的11個博物館和美術館當中,\n\n01:06.175 --> 01:10.680\n有沒有哪幾個有編列所謂的採買或購買收藏品的預算?11個博物館和美術館應該都有編吧\n\n01:17.478 --> 01:18.058\n議員主席\n\n01:39.309 --> 01:43.614\nadequatetothecurrentstateofaffairsintheUnitedStates.\n\n01:58.359 --> 02:25.362\n因為我們總體預算不高所以在分配上像國立台灣博物館這種我們就編一些預算繼續購買那其他就使用原來我們購買的東西我想其實我們的這個質詢您的備詢其實有一個很好的這個互動的機制啦其實我們也在協作我們也幫您整理了其實近年來各個博物館購置產品的情況根據文化部提供給我們的資料這是歷史資料\n\n02:26.002 --> 02:45.164\n近3年來文化部所屬的11個博物館及美術館裏面居然有7間購買藏品。您剛剛所提到的第一個就提到的藏品增加的方法竟然是零件。兩年是零件的一共有8間。請問部長您了解博物館購藏文物掛零的原因嗎?\n\n02:46.721 --> 03:03.505\n為什麼會這樣?因為掛鈴嘛!所以他們就乾脆就不編啦!他們就不編啦!因為你剛剛問的是線上購償?沒有沒有沒有,我現在在問的是實際,就全部就購償啦!是總購償喔!上面寫總購償喔!\n\n03:08.743 --> 03:14.625\n所以部長我現在是在幫您抽絲剝繭就是說其實您一開始就是說購買產品是很重要的來源嘛那結果呢我們說有多少這個這個場館是有編列這個預算來購買然後呢我們得到的答案是有的沒有\n\n03:26.368 --> 03:26.408\n閱讀檢查結果\n\n03:51.889 --> 04:19.062\n相關人士告訴我們答案是藏品太貴這只是一個部分博物館的預算有可能買不起但是這只是一部分現行文物、文化部所屬博物館的文物購藏程序太繁瑣這也是其中一個部分等到確認要買的時候藏品早就被人家買走我們來看一下文化部所屬博物館的購藏流程第一個你要先確認經費額度第二個我是很想朗讀但真的有點長但你大概可以理解\n\n04:20.063 --> 04:34.143\n當這些東西要有專家討論、審議、通過,動完的時候這個產品也輪不到你來買了。所以我想這種流程就導致我們整體展品購藏的機制。\n\n04:55.632 --> 05:24.533\n新的專案其中一個114年度的預算案重建台灣史2.0社會發展計畫編列了八千萬元要籌設還只是籌設還沒開始蓋國家級現代美術館這八千萬裡面有沒有夠長的預算難道我們的國家級的現代美術館裡面的展品都要靠捐贈都要靠轉移嗎請部長說明那如果我們過去是這樣的經歷我們是這樣的一個習慣國家美術館展品來源要如何規劃\n\n05:52.599 --> 06:04.523\n沒關係如果有就提供出來那一千萬夠不夠我想這個也要評估一下這國家級嘛對不對沒關係待會解釋我總體來講想要講就是說希望部長了解一下相關構藏的辦法是不是讓流程可以更加的激動與彈性否則我們歷史一直在演進巨輪一直在推結果我們現在的管藏是沒有流動的就是說沒有新的管藏進來\n\n06:19.947 --> 06:40.670\n台灣我們這種對文化的學習其實受到影響了那當然您剛剛有提到線上沒錯阿巴手的這個藝術報告裡面就提到線上競標其實市場一直增加尤其在COVID-19之後那這一次呢我們其實也看到啦阿台配有跟像Artacy、蘇富比都有合作\n\n06:41.351 --> 06:51.517\n所以我想線上購藏有沒有可能文化部也研議作為博物館購買藏品的方式之一你會節省掉很多開支這個有沒有可能來研議一下\n\n06:53.626 --> 07:16.618\n在這個之前我們完全沒有這個部分,我想我們來研究看看。對,因為你這樣人員可以減少去出訪,也可以透過網路的方式來增加館長。提到就是說你如果有線上購買,其實現在也有線上展廳,我也必須要說有的博物館做得非常好,像是國立歷史博物館的360度的環景導覽就做得很棒。\n\n07:17.358 --> 07:34.240\n但是呢有一些線上展覽則是從2021年以後就沒有更新那當然剛剛那也是啦有點可惜希望再給予鼓勵那新館長洪世祐館長剛剛上任期待可以重現這個線上展廳的這個建制甚至再更進一步啦\n\n07:34.820 --> 07:46.868\n當然國立台灣史前博物館就稍微比較潦草除了文字簡介以外就沒有其他內容我們也期待蔡正良館長要拿出具體的作為我想都在現場我想我們是鼓勵不要讓這個線上布展來荒廢接下來我們審查114年度預算的時候各位博物館各個博物館只要有心去做這些線上的這個行為能夠\n\n08:46.733 --> 09:05.336\n那有十幾家公司得獎,但是我們追溯了一下發現,其實目前為止12個優秀得入選的提案裡面,真正被10件得到後續政府的合作也好,或推薦也好,或者把提案再擴大也好,只有兩件。\n\n09:06.397 --> 09:33.072\n所以我希望部長能不能我們給予新興藝術的創作者多一點關注投入資源持續追蹤他們的後續發展不要我們三億花掉了找到一些不錯的團隊跟人員結果我們沒有後續的福祉這部分部長可不可以來允諾一下好沒問題第二件事情真的是拜託部長我們一起努力這次年輕藝術家因為這個不幸出事的事件真的有非常多藝文圈的朋友感嘆\n\n09:34.873 --> 09:58.758\n關於文化藝術工作者,其實很多是採用短期工作契約、自由接案或專案制的工作,其實屬於非典型的工作者。在不同的僱主之下,其實是受僱的,他沒有一個長期僱主。他工作頻率跟收入的波動也很大,其實他們很可能沒有辦法被提供這種一般性的健康檢查。所以其實這個促使事件發生之後,\n\n10:00.528 --> 10:21.281\n除了南國以外我看到很多的藝文工作者說彼此提醒彼此要做健康檢查但是他們其實沒有這方面的幫助那當然他們還可能要次數監課啦或接觸到一些粉塵等等犧牲健康作為藝術跟文化創作的代價這些創作者呢其實沒有雇主不能依法享有定期的健康檢查\n\n10:22.282 --> 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如果有就提供出來那一千萬夠不夠我想這個也要評估一下這國家級嘛 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