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00:02:03,657\n同仁不克出席之後就遭林大主任罵N小時不給回家這種人還能畏居高職、前景堪憂?然後也提到每逢喝醉酒以後就會去執日官室騷擾執日官、辱罵副主任、辱罵據點平時以辱罵幹部為樂所以當時他去霸凌了余正煌他們調查局的學長\n\n7\n00:02:04,637 --> 00:02:20,884\n然後還有2021年的9月他們在跟竹科的廠商參敘的時候只因為不滿當天的職域調查官沒有把他安排到主桌所以就在晚上深夜把調查官跟副主任雙雙叫到請示怒罵從晚間9點罵到隔天的凌晨3點\n\n8\n00:02:25,546 --> 00:02:41,099\n整整6個小時,還有10月份、12月份攜帶酒精飲料到執意官室,林維成卻表示說:「執意官室喝酒沒關係,我是主任,所以這個調查官後來礙於林維成是上級就作罷了。」\n\n9\n00:02:41,900 --> 00:03:02,156\n也曾經一度驚動督察到場勸架有打架的行為,儘管這個事件有上報,最後不了了之當時在2022年的時候,調查局表示,針對相關的檢舉已經請督察處介入調查了那我想要請問一下,2022年就介入調查的大林事件後來的懲處結果為何?\n\n10\n00:03:05,627 --> 00:03:27,774\n跟委員報告這一件根據調查局的他們的一個處理那的確是由督察處來主動那是主動來立案做一個調查那後來調查後的確是由不事任的情形那後來也調離回主管職務了他調離在112年2月4號調任行業調查處的主任秘書對吧\n\n11\n00:03:33,615 --> 00:03:51,276\n他那時候後來是先有調離那個新竹市市長那後來他也被處分了那他現在人在哪裡這部分我不清楚那個現在的職務好那你要回去問調查局因為呢好我們下一張\n\n12\n00:03:53,240 --> 00:04:06,221\n看一下同一篇下一張因為呢這個是當時齁這個所有調查局的人員呢對於齁包含是新竹市調查站等等的做的一些評價因為就是在講霸凌的問題喔那這我剛剛講過再下一張\n\n13\n00:04:08,802 --> 00:04:32,755\n這個是有更多包含臺北市的調查處宜蘭雲林都有會後也會提供相關的資料給法務部跟調查局也就是說因為卓榮泰院長說7天內要調查完所有我們政府部門相關的霸凌事件但是其實我們調查局的人員他們平常每年都有自填問卷在針對長官有沒有做霸凌相關的事情做評價\n\n14\n00:04:33,675 --> 00:04:56,349\n所以相關的這個證據其實都在上面那要請部長跟我們的調查局回去做進一步的調查然後今天為什麼會談這件事情就是因為當這個勞動部的事情發生之後我們看到剛才我所說的這位林維成他過去是新竹市調站的主任他依然固舞那導致我們在調查局的群組裡面看到的是什麼包含呢\n\n15\n00:05:03,553 --> 00:05:19,938\n你看看看我們洋洋灑灑的獎懲規定發現幹部只有在督導下級不利時會被懲處沒有懲處督導過大的也提到了當時這件事情有承認霸凌但是呢後來也沒有上新聞然後呢大家都在問如果\n\n16\n00:05:21,698 --> 00:05:39,748\n勞動部的這名這個往生者是以霸凌送檢調那霸凌檢調的人要把他送到哪裡甚至呢大家都在講說現在盛傳這名這個凌維成主任成主任打算呢要被升為副處長那你看到這個整個\n\n17\n00:05:42,489 --> 00:06:04,289\n都是昨天在調查局的群組裡面所討論的內容然後還講到就是說他到現在都還是在被圈選為輔導員所以如果您剛剛講說他曾經有霸凌的紀錄有遭到處分而且他是這個不適應的那為什麼我們調查局又要勾選他擔任輔導員呢\n\n18\n00:06:07,206 --> 00:06:14,030\n這部分我們再去了解再去了解那什麼時候可以給我們回覆?7天內?你現在現在剩下6天因為呢卓榮泰部長說卓榮泰院長說了7天之內要給答案跟回覆嗎?那我現在很具體的告訴你昨天整個調查局的群組都在講這位林維成他現在有可能再被外傳說還要去升副處長\n\n19\n00:06:30,100 --> 00:06:41,604\n而且實際上都還有霸凌的行為那過去您剛也說了他的案件被調查之後是不適任的也有處分的結果他現在竟然還被圈選為輔導員到處在輔導我們所謂調查局的人員所以這個部分要請這個我們法務部的部長\n\n20\n00:06:48,846 --> 00:06:56,870\n回去之後要調查清楚那不要讓這些過去曾經有霸凌雖然被處分但現在還繼續實施霸凌的人還可以當輔導員繼續以輔導的身份那再次的霸凌我們調查局的人員引起這麼這麼多裡面有1500個調查局的成員所有人都在罵1500個您可以看到這個地方有1500個調查局的成員在裡面\n\n21\n00:07:15,820 --> 00:07:35,042\n裡面一大堆人都是針對這一位林維成來做批評說他有霸凌的事實所以請法務部一定要回去謹慎的再度重啟調查而不是過去調查完了就覺得好像已經沒事了因為這個是持續中的霸凌案件可以做到嗎\n\n22\n00:07:36,182 --> 00:08:00,729\n這部分我再請調查局來處理好那請問需要多久的時間回覆我們盡快盡快應該是6天因為這個卓榮泰部長院長的這個規定所以麻煩6天之內給我們初步的回覆因為卓榮泰院長在公開的場合說每一個特會裡面有霸凌情況要在7天之內做回覆昨天是第一天今天是第二天所以你們只剩下6天的時間麻煩在6天的時間按\n\n23\n00:08:03,490 --> 00:08:24,987\n卓榮泰院長的要求根本不是我要求的如果是我個人要求會給你們一個月但是呢今天是卓榮泰院長要求在七天之內每一個部會跟局處都要調查出有沒有職場霸凌的問題所以請你們在六天之內給我們初步的回覆今天是今天我才知道是今天來起算入就是七天\n\n24\n00:08:25,267 --> 00:08:34,675\n不是嘛那左翁派院長意思不是這樣你自己去跟院長講不是這個事情你自己去跟院長講這不是我說的如果所有人都是知道說起算七天的話那左翁派院長昨天他何必講這些話呢所以這不是我說的我說如果是我會給你一個月我昨天才踢爆了外交部也有相關的霸凌我是給他們一個月的\n\n25\n00:08:48,386 --> 00:08:59,318\n結果下午我就聽到卓榮泰院長說7天之內全部的公家機關都要調查完畢所以不好意思你們真的剩6天不要怪我要怪怪院長好不好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n869\t22694\t我們剛剛有宣告一個就是在中嘉賓委員執行完畢之後休息五分鐘很早就已經有講了還是你們兩個要對的好謝謝主席那我們是不是有請這個政部長法務部政部長\n26840\t40918\t委員好部長好今天雖然我等一下要問的跟這個調查局有關但是因為現在大家對於這個霸凌的事件呢非常的關心所以呢我還是找我們主管機關這邊法務部來做一個詢問\n43661\t45283\t因為我們這邊又接獲了關於這個調查局很多調查局的這個同仁他們感受到這個霸凌的事件那我覺得有必要盡快的來揭露那這件事情呢\n58541\t79178\t是最早發生在2022年的時候我在直播裡面就有講到新竹調查站的主任林維成也就是當初把余政煌的烤雞打成已等的這一位新竹調查站的主任那他們當時就是在新竹市調站裡面他們有做整個相關的一個\n80178\t93826\t就在調查局的人員裡面有做相關自己的一個自評就是說我們的主管有沒有霸凌的行為那裡面呢就有包含寫到自己愛應酬又不想被外人當色函就拗站裡的同仁幫忙開車擋酒\n97068\t123657\t同仁不克出席之後就遭林大主任罵N小時不給回家這種人還能畏居高職、前景堪憂?然後也提到每逢喝醉酒以後就會去執日官室騷擾執日官、辱罵副主任、辱罵據點平時以辱罵幹部為樂所以當時他去霸凌了余正煌他們調查局的學長\n124637\t140884\t然後還有2021年的9月他們在跟竹科的廠商參敘的時候只因為不滿當天的職域調查官沒有把他安排到主桌所以就在晚上深夜把調查官跟副主任雙雙叫到請示怒罵從晚間9點罵到隔天的凌晨3點\n145546\t161099\t整整6個小時,還有10月份、12月份攜帶酒精飲料到執意官室,林維成卻表示說:「執意官室喝酒沒關係,我是主任,所以這個調查官後來礙於林維成是上級就作罷了。」\n161900\t182156\t也曾經一度驚動督察到場勸架有打架的行為,儘管這個事件有上報,最後不了了之當時在2022年的時候,調查局表示,針對相關的檢舉已經請督察處介入調查了那我想要請問一下,2022年就介入調查的大林事件後來的懲處結果為何?\n185627\t207774\t跟委員報告這一件根據調查局的他們的一個處理那的確是由督察處來主動那是主動來立案做一個調查那後來調查後的確是由不事任的情形那後來也調離回主管職務了他調離在112年2月4號調任行業調查處的主任秘書對吧\n213615\t231276\t他那時候後來是先有調離那個新竹市市長那後來他也被處分了那他現在人在哪裡這部分我不清楚那個現在的職務好那你要回去問調查局因為呢好我們下一張\n233240\t246221\t看一下同一篇下一張因為呢這個是當時齁這個所有調查局的人員呢對於齁包含是新竹市調查站等等的做的一些評價因為就是在講霸凌的問題喔那這我剛剛講過再下一張\n248802\t272755\t這個是有更多包含臺北市的調查處宜蘭雲林都有會後也會提供相關的資料給法務部跟調查局也就是說因為卓榮泰院長說7天內要調查完所有我們政府部門相關的霸凌事件但是其實我們調查局的人員他們平常每年都有自填問卷在針對長官有沒有做霸凌相關的事情做評價\n273675\t296349\t所以相關的這個證據其實都在上面那要請部長跟我們的調查局回去做進一步的調查然後今天為什麼會談這件事情就是因為當這個勞動部的事情發生之後我們看到剛才我所說的這位林維成他過去是新竹市調站的主任他依然固舞那導致我們在調查局的群組裡面看到的是什麼包含呢\n303553\t319938\t你看看看我們洋洋灑灑的獎懲規定發現幹部只有在督導下級不利時會被懲處沒有懲處督導過大的也提到了當時這件事情有承認霸凌但是呢後來也沒有上新聞然後呢大家都在問如果\n321698\t339748\t勞動部的這名這個往生者是以霸凌送檢調那霸凌檢調的人要把他送到哪裡甚至呢大家都在講說現在盛傳這名這個凌維成主任成主任打算呢要被升為副處長那你看到這個整個\n342489\t364289\t都是昨天在調查局的群組裡面所討論的內容然後還講到就是說他到現在都還是在被圈選為輔導員所以如果您剛剛講說他曾經有霸凌的紀錄有遭到處分而且他是這個不適應的那為什麼我們調查局又要勾選他擔任輔導員呢\n367206\t374030\t這部分我們再去了解再去了解那什麼時候可以給我們回覆?7天內?你現在現在剩下6天因為呢卓榮泰部長說卓榮泰院長說了7天之內要給答案跟回覆嗎?那我現在很具體的告訴你昨天整個調查局的群組都在講這位林維成他現在有可能再被外傳說還要去升副處長\n390100\t401604\t而且實際上都還有霸凌的行為那過去您剛也說了他的案件被調查之後是不適任的也有處分的結果他現在竟然還被圈選為輔導員到處在輔導我們所謂調查局的人員所以這個部分要請這個我們法務部的部長\n408846\t416870\t回去之後要調查清楚那不要讓這些過去曾經有霸凌雖然被處分但現在還繼續實施霸凌的人還可以當輔導員繼續以輔導的身份那再次的霸凌我們調查局的人員引起這麼這麼多裡面有1500個調查局的成員所有人都在罵1500個您可以看到這個地方有1500個調查局的成員在裡面\n435820\t455042\t裡面一大堆人都是針對這一位林維成來做批評說他有霸凌的事實所以請法務部一定要回去謹慎的再度重啟調查而不是過去調查完了就覺得好像已經沒事了因為這個是持續中的霸凌案件可以做到嗎\n456182\t480729\t這部分我再請調查局來處理好 那請問需要多久的時間回覆我們盡快盡快應該是6天因為這個卓榮泰部長院長的這個規定所以麻煩6天之內給我們初步的回覆因為卓榮泰院長在公開的場合說每一個特會裡面有霸凌情況要在7天之內做回覆昨天是第一天今天是第二天所以你們只剩下6天的時間麻煩在6天的時間按\n483490\t504987\t卓榮泰院長的要求根本不是我要求的如果是我個人要求會給你們一個月但是呢今天是卓榮泰院長要求在七天之內每一個部會跟局處都要調查出有沒有職場霸凌的問題所以請你們在六天之內給我們初步的回覆今天是今天我才知道是今天來起算入就是七天\n505267\t514675\t不是嘛 那左翁派院長意思不是這樣你自己去跟院長講不是 這個事情你自己去跟院長講這不是我說的如果所有人都是知道說起算七天的話那左翁派院長昨天他何必講這些話呢所以這不是我說的我說 如果是我會給你一個月我昨天才踢爆了外交部也有相關的霸凌我是給他們一個月的\n528386\t539318\t結果下午我就聽到卓榮泰院長說7天之內全部的公家機關都要調查完畢所以不好意思你們真的剩6天不要怪我要怪怪院長好不好謝謝\n","txt":"我們剛剛有宣告一個就是在中嘉賓委員執行完畢之後休息五分鐘很早就已經有講了還是你們兩個要對的好謝謝主席那我們是不是有請這個政部長法務部政部長\n委員好部長好今天雖然我等一下要問的跟這個調查局有關但是因為現在大家對於這個霸凌的事件呢非常的關心所以呢我還是找我們主管機關這邊法務部來做一個詢問\n因為我們這邊又接獲了關於這個調查局很多調查局的這個同仁他們感受到這個霸凌的事件那我覺得有必要盡快的來揭露那這件事情呢\n是最早發生在2022年的時候我在直播裡面就有講到新竹調查站的主任林維成也就是當初把余政煌的烤雞打成已等的這一位新竹調查站的主任那他們當時就是在新竹市調站裡面他們有做整個相關的一個\n就在調查局的人員裡面有做相關自己的一個自評就是說我們的主管有沒有霸凌的行為那裡面呢就有包含寫到自己愛應酬又不想被外人當色函就拗站裡的同仁幫忙開車擋酒\n同仁不克出席之後就遭林大主任罵N小時不給回家這種人還能畏居高職、前景堪憂?然後也提到每逢喝醉酒以後就會去執日官室騷擾執日官、辱罵副主任、辱罵據點平時以辱罵幹部為樂所以當時他去霸凌了余正煌他們調查局的學長\n然後還有2021年的9月他們在跟竹科的廠商參敘的時候只因為不滿當天的職域調查官沒有把他安排到主桌所以就在晚上深夜把調查官跟副主任雙雙叫到請示怒罵從晚間9點罵到隔天的凌晨3點\n整整6個小時,還有10月份、12月份攜帶酒精飲料到執意官室,林維成卻表示說:「執意官室喝酒沒關係,我是主任,所以這個調查官後來礙於林維成是上級就作罷了。」\n也曾經一度驚動督察到場勸架有打架的行為,儘管這個事件有上報,最後不了了之當時在2022年的時候,調查局表示,針對相關的檢舉已經請督察處介入調查了那我想要請問一下,2022年就介入調查的大林事件後來的懲處結果為何?\n跟委員報告這一件根據調查局的他們的一個處理那的確是由督察處來主動那是主動來立案做一個調查那後來調查後的確是由不事任的情形那後來也調離回主管職務了他調離在112年2月4號調任行業調查處的主任秘書對吧\n他那時候後來是先有調離那個新竹市市長那後來他也被處分了那他現在人在哪裡這部分我不清楚那個現在的職務好那你要回去問調查局因為呢好我們下一張\n看一下同一篇下一張因為呢這個是當時齁這個所有調查局的人員呢對於齁包含是新竹市調查站等等的做的一些評價因為就是在講霸凌的問題喔那這我剛剛講過再下一張\n這個是有更多包含臺北市的調查處宜蘭雲林都有會後也會提供相關的資料給法務部跟調查局也就是說因為卓榮泰院長說7天內要調查完所有我們政府部門相關的霸凌事件但是其實我們調查局的人員他們平常每年都有自填問卷在針對長官有沒有做霸凌相關的事情做評價\n所以相關的這個證據其實都在上面那要請部長跟我們的調查局回去做進一步的調查然後今天為什麼會談這件事情就是因為當這個勞動部的事情發生之後我們看到剛才我所說的這位林維成他過去是新竹市調站的主任他依然固舞那導致我們在調查局的群組裡面看到的是什麼包含呢\n你看看看我們洋洋灑灑的獎懲規定發現幹部只有在督導下級不利時會被懲處沒有懲處督導過大的也提到了當時這件事情有承認霸凌但是呢後來也沒有上新聞然後呢大家都在問如果\n勞動部的這名這個往生者是以霸凌送檢調那霸凌檢調的人要把他送到哪裡甚至呢大家都在講說現在盛傳這名這個凌維成主任成主任打算呢要被升為副處長那你看到這個整個\n都是昨天在調查局的群組裡面所討論的內容然後還講到就是說他到現在都還是在被圈選為輔導員所以如果您剛剛講說他曾經有霸凌的紀錄有遭到處分而且他是這個不適應的那為什麼我們調查局又要勾選他擔任輔導員呢\n這部分我們再去了解再去了解那什麼時候可以給我們回覆?7天內?你現在現在剩下6天因為呢卓榮泰部長說卓榮泰院長說了7天之內要給答案跟回覆嗎?那我現在很具體的告訴你昨天整個調查局的群組都在講這位林維成他現在有可能再被外傳說還要去升副處長\n而且實際上都還有霸凌的行為那過去您剛也說了他的案件被調查之後是不適任的也有處分的結果他現在竟然還被圈選為輔導員到處在輔導我們所謂調查局的人員所以這個部分要請這個我們法務部的部長\n回去之後要調查清楚那不要讓這些過去曾經有霸凌雖然被處分但現在還繼續實施霸凌的人還可以當輔導員繼續以輔導的身份那再次的霸凌我們調查局的人員引起這麼這麼多裡面有1500個調查局的成員所有人都在罵1500個您可以看到這個地方有1500個調查局的成員在裡面\n裡面一大堆人都是針對這一位林維成來做批評說他有霸凌的事實所以請法務部一定要回去謹慎的再度重啟調查而不是過去調查完了就覺得好像已經沒事了因為這個是持續中的霸凌案件可以做到嗎\n這部分我再請調查局來處理好 那請問需要多久的時間回覆我們盡快盡快應該是6天因為這個卓榮泰部長院長的這個規定所以麻煩6天之內給我們初步的回覆因為卓榮泰院長在公開的場合說每一個特會裡面有霸凌情況要在7天之內做回覆昨天是第一天今天是第二天所以你們只剩下6天的時間麻煩在6天的時間按\n卓榮泰院長的要求根本不是我要求的如果是我個人要求會給你們一個月但是呢今天是卓榮泰院長要求在七天之內每一個部會跟局處都要調查出有沒有職場霸凌的問題所以請你們在六天之內給我們初步的回覆今天是今天我才知道是今天來起算入就是七天\n不是嘛 那左翁派院長意思不是這樣你自己去跟院長講不是 這個事情你自己去跟院長講這不是我說的如果所有人都是知道說起算七天的話那左翁派院長昨天他何必講這些話呢所以這不是我說的我說 如果是我會給你一個月我昨天才踢爆了外交部也有相關的霸凌我是給他們一個月的\n結果下午我就聽到卓榮泰院長說7天之內全部的公家機關都要調查完畢所以不好意思你們真的剩6天不要怪我要怪怪院長好不好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.869 --> 00:22.694\n我們剛剛有宣告一個就是在中嘉賓委員執行完畢之後休息五分鐘很早就已經有講了還是你們兩個要對的好謝謝主席那我們是不是有請這個政部長法務部政部長\n\n00:26.840 --> 00:40.918\n委員好部長好今天雖然我等一下要問的跟這個調查局有關但是因為現在大家對於這個霸凌的事件呢非常的關心所以呢我還是找我們主管機關這邊法務部來做一個詢問\n\n00:43.661 --> 00:45.283\n因為我們這邊又接獲了關於這個調查局很多調查局的這個同仁他們感受到這個霸凌的事件那我覺得有必要盡快的來揭露那這件事情呢\n\n00:58.541 --> 01:19.178\n是最早發生在2022年的時候我在直播裡面就有講到新竹調查站的主任林維成也就是當初把余政煌的烤雞打成已等的這一位新竹調查站的主任那他們當時就是在新竹市調站裡面他們有做整個相關的一個\n\n01:20.178 --> 01:33.826\n就在調查局的人員裡面有做相關自己的一個自評就是說我們的主管有沒有霸凌的行為那裡面呢就有包含寫到自己愛應酬又不想被外人當色函就拗站裡的同仁幫忙開車擋酒\n\n01:37.068 --> 02:03.657\n同仁不克出席之後就遭林大主任罵N小時不給回家這種人還能畏居高職、前景堪憂?然後也提到每逢喝醉酒以後就會去執日官室騷擾執日官、辱罵副主任、辱罵據點平時以辱罵幹部為樂所以當時他去霸凌了余正煌他們調查局的學長\n\n02:04.637 --> 02:20.884\n然後還有2021年的9月他們在跟竹科的廠商參敘的時候只因為不滿當天的職域調查官沒有把他安排到主桌所以就在晚上深夜把調查官跟副主任雙雙叫到請示怒罵從晚間9點罵到隔天的凌晨3點\n\n02:25.546 --> 02:41.099\n整整6個小時,還有10月份、12月份攜帶酒精飲料到執意官室,林維成卻表示說:「執意官室喝酒沒關係,我是主任,所以這個調查官後來礙於林維成是上級就作罷了。」\n\n02:41.900 --> 03:02.156\n也曾經一度驚動督察到場勸架有打架的行為,儘管這個事件有上報,最後不了了之當時在2022年的時候,調查局表示,針對相關的檢舉已經請督察處介入調查了那我想要請問一下,2022年就介入調查的大林事件後來的懲處結果為何?\n\n03:05.627 --> 03:27.774\n跟委員報告這一件根據調查局的他們的一個處理那的確是由督察處來主動那是主動來立案做一個調查那後來調查後的確是由不事任的情形那後來也調離回主管職務了他調離在112年2月4號調任行業調查處的主任秘書對吧\n\n03:33.615 --> 03:51.276\n他那時候後來是先有調離那個新竹市市長那後來他也被處分了那他現在人在哪裡這部分我不清楚那個現在的職務好那你要回去問調查局因為呢好我們下一張\n\n03:53.240 --> 04:06.221\n看一下同一篇下一張因為呢這個是當時齁這個所有調查局的人員呢對於齁包含是新竹市調查站等等的做的一些評價因為就是在講霸凌的問題喔那這我剛剛講過再下一張\n\n04:08.802 --> 04:32.755\n這個是有更多包含臺北市的調查處宜蘭雲林都有會後也會提供相關的資料給法務部跟調查局也就是說因為卓榮泰院長說7天內要調查完所有我們政府部門相關的霸凌事件但是其實我們調查局的人員他們平常每年都有自填問卷在針對長官有沒有做霸凌相關的事情做評價\n\n04:33.675 --> 04:56.349\n所以相關的這個證據其實都在上面那要請部長跟我們的調查局回去做進一步的調查然後今天為什麼會談這件事情就是因為當這個勞動部的事情發生之後我們看到剛才我所說的這位林維成他過去是新竹市調站的主任他依然固舞那導致我們在調查局的群組裡面看到的是什麼包含呢\n\n05:03.553 --> 05:19.938\n你看看看我們洋洋灑灑的獎懲規定發現幹部只有在督導下級不利時會被懲處沒有懲處督導過大的也提到了當時這件事情有承認霸凌但是呢後來也沒有上新聞然後呢大家都在問如果\n\n05:21.698 --> 05:39.748\n勞動部的這名這個往生者是以霸凌送檢調那霸凌檢調的人要把他送到哪裡甚至呢大家都在講說現在盛傳這名這個凌維成主任成主任打算呢要被升為副處長那你看到這個整個\n\n05:42.489 --> 06:04.289\n都是昨天在調查局的群組裡面所討論的內容然後還講到就是說他到現在都還是在被圈選為輔導員所以如果您剛剛講說他曾經有霸凌的紀錄有遭到處分而且他是這個不適應的那為什麼我們調查局又要勾選他擔任輔導員呢\n\n06:07.206 --> 06:14.030\n這部分我們再去了解再去了解那什麼時候可以給我們回覆?7天內?你現在現在剩下6天因為呢卓榮泰部長說卓榮泰院長說了7天之內要給答案跟回覆嗎?那我現在很具體的告訴你昨天整個調查局的群組都在講這位林維成他現在有可能再被外傳說還要去升副處長\n\n06:30.100 --> 06:41.604\n而且實際上都還有霸凌的行為那過去您剛也說了他的案件被調查之後是不適任的也有處分的結果他現在竟然還被圈選為輔導員到處在輔導我們所謂調查局的人員所以這個部分要請這個我們法務部的部長\n\n06:48.846 --> 06:56.870\n回去之後要調查清楚那不要讓這些過去曾經有霸凌雖然被處分但現在還繼續實施霸凌的人還可以當輔導員繼續以輔導的身份那再次的霸凌我們調查局的人員引起這麼這麼多裡面有1500個調查局的成員所有人都在罵1500個您可以看到這個地方有1500個調查局的成員在裡面\n\n07:15.820 --> 07:35.042\n裡面一大堆人都是針對這一位林維成來做批評說他有霸凌的事實所以請法務部一定要回去謹慎的再度重啟調查而不是過去調查完了就覺得好像已經沒事了因為這個是持續中的霸凌案件可以做到嗎\n\n07:36.182 --> 08:00.729\n這部分我再請調查局來處理好那請問需要多久的時間回覆我們盡快盡快應該是6天因為這個卓榮泰部長院長的這個規定所以麻煩6天之內給我們初步的回覆因為卓榮泰院長在公開的場合說每一個特會裡面有霸凌情況要在7天之內做回覆昨天是第一天今天是第二天所以你們只剩下6天的時間麻煩在6天的時間按\n\n08:03.490 --> 08:24.987\n卓榮泰院長的要求根本不是我要求的如果是我個人要求會給你們一個月但是呢今天是卓榮泰院長要求在七天之內每一個部會跟局處都要調查出有沒有職場霸凌的問題所以請你們在六天之內給我們初步的回覆今天是今天我才知道是今天來起算入就是七天\n\n08:25.267 --> 08:34.675\n不是嘛那左翁派院長意思不是這樣你自己去跟院長講不是這個事情你自己去跟院長講這不是我說的如果所有人都是知道說起算七天的話那左翁派院長昨天他何必講這些話呢所以這不是我說的我說如果是我會給你一個月我昨天才踢爆了外交部也有相關的霸凌我是給他們一個月的\n\n08:48.386 --> 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