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00:00:42,994\n接下來再過41天,台灣就進入超高齡社會,請問文化部有對應計畫嗎?\n\n3\n00:01:08,254 --> 00:01:12,855\n部長有沒有對應計畫?超高齡社會這麼大的一個議題,進來的20%的人超過65歲,請問文化部有針對這個問題進行討論嗎?\n\n4\n00:01:26,212 --> 00:01:47,406\n其實我們在整個那個文化政策裡面很多項目都是跟超高齡社會還有這個壯世代有關我會不會請我們的真的嗎是我請市長跟主項報告嗎不用等一下我再問他問到他們的時候這個是真的嗎真心嗎真心啊等一下我就讓你看你們的真心上個禮拜行政院院會之後卓魁\n\n5\n00:01:56,316 --> 00:02:22,108\n閱讀新聞稿中提及讓壯世代持續貢獻社會。所以這是行政院現在重視的議題。那這一個呢,我們的前文化部長鄭麗君,現在的副院長,說步步是文化部。好大的豪氣喔!你現在文化部敢不敢,你敢不敢說這樣的話?\n\n6\n00:02:23,626 --> 00:02:36,233\n五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化機構作業基金附屬單位預算案。五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化機構作業基金附屬單位預算案。五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化機構作業基金附屬單位預算案。五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化機構作業基金附屬單位預算案。\n\n7\n00:02:52,534 --> 00:02:58,236\n五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化基金附屬單位預算案。\n\n8\n00:03:23,970 --> 00:03:48,865\n我真的感受到他是一個文化人,他的一種文化的使命感,那個是有一個,我覺得他那個深度,對文化的感同的深度是有的,所以跟他談話非常的愉快,談了一個小時,他表示十分感動,深表認同。\n\n9\n00:03:50,097 --> 00:03:56,743\n那我跟部長你我們溝通了快兩個會期我常常就談討論這個問題請你有同感嗎?\n\n10\n00:04:01,936 --> 00:04:28,326\n您剛才講是您跟對我今天看壯士代他手上也是拿壯士代我講我跟你傳播像宣教師一樣的一直在傳教給我們的文化部的同仁做這麼多的傳教傳了已經已經已經快兩個會期了請問你有聽清楚嗎所以我剛才說要不要跟您報告我們足相已經做了事情要不請我們的市長跟您報告我會找時間我看你們回我的好不好你先不用口頭在這裡講您剛才講的那個壯士代\n\n11\n00:04:31,268 --> 00:04:31,508\n對,我認為現在的\n\n12\n00:04:37,064 --> 00:05:01,709\n已經到了一種文化的國安危機的地步了因為我覺得文化部並沒有從你們的預算書裡面看從你們回覆過來的所有的文件裡面去看現在這個的問題人口的問題我們現在有到2010年三分之二人口超過\n\n13\n00:05:06,466 --> 00:05:30,759\n三分之一人口缺乏方向整個其實最核心的問題是我們對於沒有文化的論述對這些文化的偏見整個高齡社會的定型然後在整個包括高齡化跟少子化這是一體之兩面但是文化部並沒有這個認知沒有把這樣子的一個責任放在自己的身上\n\n14\n00:05:32,865 --> 00:05:37,210\n現在我看到的文化部我們本來是一個文化大國\n\n15\n00:05:38,715 --> 00:06:06,032\n台灣是一個文化大國中華民國是一個文化大國現在感受到了我覺得沒有感受到我們是一個文化大國我們是越來越是一個文化小國文化小國越來越在國際的文化地位上面不具有地位現在呢我也不曉得我們的文化部越走我感覺到從你們的計畫當中一直在做的是什麼轉型正義\n\n16\n00:06:08,177 --> 00:06:33,816\n其實台灣現在已經沒有這個轉型爭議的問題了台灣往前30年最重要的事情是民主化這大家都認同走到現在的還在搞民主那就是笑話文化不顯然還停留在那一個時空裡面往後30年台灣最重要的是什麼是人口學人口的天翻地覆台灣未來50年會減少1000萬人你知道嗎\n\n17\n00:06:38,003 --> 00:06:55,034\n整個歷史的一個變化,天翻地覆的變化,這就是會影響到全面性。它的重要性超越民主化,對整個台灣全面性的影響。但是這一個呢,任其方無。那為什麼會任其方無?各部會完全沒有這種觀念。\n\n18\n00:06:55,794 --> 00:07:09,643\n我在問大家超高齡社會少子超高齡社會已經定型了大家認為那個社會超高齡社會是一個悲慘世界還是一個美麗新世界呢部長你覺得悲慘世界還是美麗新世界\n\n19\n00:07:13,023 --> 00:07:32,412\n好像很難用悲慘世界跟美麗世界來形容這麼簡單的話。在台灣這是一個認知的信仰。我跟部長講,我們現在各部大概把它當作一個悲慘的世界。所以當你這樣認為的時候,你提出的解方就是悲慘解方。\n\n20\n00:07:33,936 --> 00:08:00,399\n但是這是一個定型的,未來我們的世界都是悲慘嗎?你換一換角度,壯士在提的就是把它當作一個美麗新世界。你就可以提出美麗的解放出來。這個靠的是什麼?這是思維。大家沒有那個眼光,這個要靠誰?靠文化部。顯然文化部也是當作悲慘世界。這就是我為什麼叫做文化的國安危機在這裡。文化部歧視高齡者。\n\n21\n00:08:01,553 --> 00:08:09,141\n你在這個今年110年的預算當中給予壯世代族群的一個計畫只有這一項編列一千萬。\n\n22\n00:08:11,184 --> 00:08:38,616\n一千萬當中是在那個什麼藝術醫療結合科技文化當中樂齡社交大概一千萬只有這一項其他的我沒看見所以你剛才講的說什麼多重視大家這不是歧視嗎在我的撞觸法公聽會當中文化部各部會都是厚厚一本文化部一頁這一頁是封面一頁封面\n\n23\n00:08:39,676 --> 00:09:04,809\n其他就是一頁這是什麼意思?這是什麼意思?裡面的內容要不要看一下第一點就是沒有意思我們尊重各個族群第二個就是配合行政院所做的然後比如說我們可以在高雄流行音樂中心舉辦2024藍寶石大歌廳演唱會這是在嘲笑欸\n\n24\n00:09:10,374 --> 00:09:10,655\n難後第三點。\n\n25\n00:09:23,281 --> 00:09:39,935\n講的在藝文活動、社交交流、藝術婦人引髮的連結,所以我們有文化當中沉浸式的,然後本部電子書擴充的,你們回答了就這三點。跟文化這麼重要,讓你翻天覆地的翻轉。給你們溝通的兩個會期,你回覆了就這三點。剛才講了半天,你們有多重視。\n\n26\n00:09:54,517 --> 00:10:11,297\n你看看上個禮拜資訊月今年在跟我合作之下速發布做了一個壯士在董資樂園董資叫董資訊的樂園改變那個思維\n\n27\n00:10:12,614 --> 00:10:36,823\n我帶了幾萬的壯世代進入諮詢業裡面創下我們第一次引法族大碗諮詢業你覺得他沒有可能嗎?你覺得他不可能嗎?你都一直用過去用的都叫做勒寧諮詢區沒有人要去我改變他的思維以後大量的人增加這應該是文化部要做的事情嘛人家書畫部都已經在做了好不好\n\n28\n00:10:40,250 --> 00:11:04,609\n總職委員、蘇發部的黃部長,全力的支持,但我沒有看到文化部。我本來對文化部有很高的期待,認為這個是引領我們整個進入這個新社會當中的一個起手。但是到現在,我完全看到文化部沒有這樣子的一個努力。部長我本來一直很尊重你,我一直從頭到尾就是說我認為你是一個文化人。\n\n29\n00:11:05,289 --> 00:11:30,043\n我非常對文化人物非常的尊重,但是希望你不要成為一個政治人,越來感染上越來越多的政治色彩。呼籲各部會應該改變這個錯誤的文化人設,這就是文化認知的人設。我們從銀髮族,我們現在都停留在這裡,臥床啊,去醫院啊,沒希望了啦,是年輕人的負擔啊,安養晚年。我看文化部現在對高齡者的態度也是這個樣子啦。\n\n30\n00:11:32,046 --> 00:11:46,623\n創世代就是要有30年的健康餘命,要追求自我實現,要貢獻社會,要促進世代的循環,要精彩的第三人生,要被正常的對待。這不是一個文化認知嗎?\n\n31\n00:11:48,084 --> 00:12:06,819\n有沒有希望文化部能夠往最後面來努力?這個努力不要造成世代的對立,這個才能夠解決世代的問題。因為壯世代整個是為未來我們高齡者就當分子人口越來越多,少子化造成分母越來越小。\n\n32\n00:12:08,220 --> 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是思維。大家沒有那個眼光,這個要靠誰?靠文化部。顯然文化部也是當作悲慘世界。這就是我為什麼叫做文化的國安危機在這裡。文化部歧視高齡者。\n你在這個今年110年的預算當中給予壯世代族群的一個計畫只有這一項編列一千萬。\n一千萬當中是在那個什麼藝術醫療結合科技文化當中樂齡社交大概一千萬只有這一項其他的我沒看見所以你剛才講的說什麼多重視大家這不是歧視嗎在我的撞觸法公聽會當中文化部各部會都是厚厚一本文化部一頁這一頁是封面一頁封面\n其他就是一頁這是什麼意思?這是什麼意思?裡面的內容要不要看一下第一點就是沒有意思我們尊重各個族群第二個就是配合行政院所做的然後比如說我們可以在高雄流行音樂中心舉辦2024藍寶石大歌廳演唱會這是在嘲笑欸\n難後第三點。\n講的在藝文活動、社交交流、藝術婦人引髮的連結,所以我們有文化當中沉浸式的,然後本部電子書擴充的,你們回答了就這三點。跟文化這麼重要,讓你翻天覆地的翻轉。給你們溝通的兩個會期,你回覆了就這三點。剛才講了半天,你們有多重視。\n你看看上個禮拜資訊月今年在跟我合作之下速發布做了一個壯士在董資樂園董資叫董資訊的樂園改變那個思維\n我帶了幾萬的壯世代進入諮詢業裡面創下我們第一次引法族大碗諮詢業你覺得他沒有可能嗎?你覺得他不可能嗎?你都一直用過去用的都叫做勒寧諮詢區沒有人要去我改變他的思維以後大量的人增加這應該是文化部要做的事情嘛人家書畫部都已經在做了好不好\n總職委員、蘇發部的黃部長,全力的支持,但我沒有看到文化部。我本來對文化部有很高的期待,認為這個是引領我們整個進入這個新社會當中的一個起手。但是到現在,我完全看到文化部沒有這樣子的一個努力。部長我本來一直很尊重你,我一直從頭到尾就是說我認為你是一個文化人。\n我非常對文化人物非常的尊重,但是希望你不要成為一個政治人,越來感染上越來越多的政治色彩。呼籲各部會應該改變這個錯誤的文化人設,這就是文化認知的人設。我們從銀髮族,我們現在都停留在這裡,臥床啊,去醫院啊,沒希望了啦,是年輕人的負擔啊,安養晚年。我看文化部現在對高齡者的態度也是這個樣子啦。\n創世代就是要有30年的健康餘命,要追求自我實現,要貢獻社會,要促進世代的循環,要精彩的第三人生,要被正常的對待。這不是一個文化認知嗎?\n有沒有希望文化部能夠往最後面來努力?這個努力不要造成世代的對立,這個才能夠解決世代的問題。因為壯世代整個是為未來我們高齡者就當分子人口越來越多,少子化造成分母越來越小。\n請問文化部有什麼解放?唯一的解放就是把分子撞起來拉下來當分母這就是壯士在追求的一個目標這應該跟文化部非常的符合的我希望文化部好好再思考再思考我們可以來好好的認知這一點\n\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:17.444 --> 00:20.246\n我們的標題是我們需要一位能翻轉700萬壯世代的文化部長請問部長你願意嗎?\n\n00:40.492 --> 00:42.994\n接下來再過41天,台灣就進入超高齡社會,請問文化部有對應計畫嗎?\n\n01:08.254 --> 01:12.855\n部長有沒有對應計畫?超高齡社會這麼大的一個議題,進來的20%的人超過65歲,請問文化部有針對這個問題進行討論嗎?\n\n01:26.212 --> 01:47.406\n其實我們在整個那個文化政策裡面很多項目都是跟超高齡社會還有這個壯世代有關我會不會請我們的真的嗎是我請市長跟主項報告嗎不用等一下我再問他問到他們的時候這個是真的嗎真心嗎真心啊等一下我就讓你看你們的真心上個禮拜行政院院會之後卓魁\n\n01:56.316 --> 02:22.108\n閱讀新聞稿中提及讓壯世代持續貢獻社會。所以這是行政院現在重視的議題。那這一個呢,我們的前文化部長鄭麗君,現在的副院長,說步步是文化部。好大的豪氣喔!你現在文化部敢不敢,你敢不敢說這樣的話?\n\n02:23.626 --> 02:36.233\n五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化機構作業基金附屬單位預算案。五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化機構作業基金附屬單位預算案。五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化機構作業基金附屬單位預算案。五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化機構作業基金附屬單位預算案。\n\n02:52.534 --> 02:58.236\n五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化基金附屬單位預算案。\n\n03:23.970 --> 03:48.865\n我真的感受到他是一個文化人,他的一種文化的使命感,那個是有一個,我覺得他那個深度,對文化的感同的深度是有的,所以跟他談話非常的愉快,談了一個小時,他表示十分感動,深表認同。\n\n03:50.097 --> 03:56.743\n那我跟部長你我們溝通了快兩個會期我常常就談討論這個問題請你有同感嗎?\n\n04:01.936 --> 04:28.326\n您剛才講是您跟對我今天看壯士代他手上也是拿壯士代我講我跟你傳播像宣教師一樣的一直在傳教給我們的文化部的同仁做這麼多的傳教傳了已經已經已經快兩個會期了請問你有聽清楚嗎所以我剛才說要不要跟您報告我們足相已經做了事情要不請我們的市長跟您報告我會找時間我看你們回我的好不好你先不用口頭在這裡講您剛才講的那個壯士代\n\n04:31.268 --> 04:31.508\n對,我認為現在的\n\n04:37.064 --> 05:01.709\n已經到了一種文化的國安危機的地步了因為我覺得文化部並沒有從你們的預算書裡面看從你們回覆過來的所有的文件裡面去看現在這個的問題人口的問題我們現在有到2010年三分之二人口超過\n\n05:06.466 --> 05:30.759\n三分之一人口缺乏方向整個其實最核心的問題是我們對於沒有文化的論述對這些文化的偏見整個高齡社會的定型然後在整個包括高齡化跟少子化這是一體之兩面但是文化部並沒有這個認知沒有把這樣子的一個責任放在自己的身上\n\n05:32.865 --> 05:37.210\n現在我看到的文化部我們本來是一個文化大國\n\n05:38.715 --> 06:06.032\n台灣是一個文化大國中華民國是一個文化大國現在感受到了我覺得沒有感受到我們是一個文化大國我們是越來越是一個文化小國文化小國越來越在國際的文化地位上面不具有地位現在呢我也不曉得我們的文化部越走我感覺到從你們的計畫當中一直在做的是什麼轉型正義\n\n06:08.177 --> 06:33.816\n其實台灣現在已經沒有這個轉型爭議的問題了台灣往前30年最重要的事情是民主化這大家都認同走到現在的還在搞民主那就是笑話文化不顯然還停留在那一個時空裡面往後30年台灣最重要的是什麼是人口學人口的天翻地覆台灣未來50年會減少1000萬人你知道嗎\n\n06:38.003 --> 06:55.034\n整個歷史的一個變化,天翻地覆的變化,這就是會影響到全面性。它的重要性超越民主化,對整個台灣全面性的影響。但是這一個呢,任其方無。那為什麼會任其方無?各部會完全沒有這種觀念。\n\n06:55.794 --> 07:09.643\n我在問大家超高齡社會少子超高齡社會已經定型了大家認為那個社會超高齡社會是一個悲慘世界還是一個美麗新世界呢部長你覺得悲慘世界還是美麗新世界\n\n07:13.023 --> 07:32.412\n好像很難用悲慘世界跟美麗世界來形容這麼簡單的話。在台灣這是一個認知的信仰。我跟部長講,我們現在各部大概把它當作一個悲慘的世界。所以當你這樣認為的時候,你提出的解方就是悲慘解方。\n\n07:33.936 --> 08:00.399\n但是這是一個定型的,未來我們的世界都是悲慘嗎?你換一換角度,壯士在提的就是把它當作一個美麗新世界。你就可以提出美麗的解放出來。這個靠的是什麼?這是思維。大家沒有那個眼光,這個要靠誰?靠文化部。顯然文化部也是當作悲慘世界。這就是我為什麼叫做文化的國安危機在這裡。文化部歧視高齡者。\n\n08:01.553 --> 08:09.141\n你在這個今年110年的預算當中給予壯世代族群的一個計畫只有這一項編列一千萬。\n\n08:11.184 --> 08:38.616\n一千萬當中是在那個什麼藝術醫療結合科技文化當中樂齡社交大概一千萬只有這一項其他的我沒看見所以你剛才講的說什麼多重視大家這不是歧視嗎在我的撞觸法公聽會當中文化部各部會都是厚厚一本文化部一頁這一頁是封面一頁封面\n\n08:39.676 --> 09:04.809\n其他就是一頁這是什麼意思?這是什麼意思?裡面的內容要不要看一下第一點就是沒有意思我們尊重各個族群第二個就是配合行政院所做的然後比如說我們可以在高雄流行音樂中心舉辦2024藍寶石大歌廳演唱會這是在嘲笑欸\n\n09:10.374 --> 09:10.655\n難後第三點。\n\n09:23.281 --> 09:39.935\n講的在藝文活動、社交交流、藝術婦人引髮的連結,所以我們有文化當中沉浸式的,然後本部電子書擴充的,你們回答了就這三點。跟文化這麼重要,讓你翻天覆地的翻轉。給你們溝通的兩個會期,你回覆了就這三點。剛才講了半天,你們有多重視。\n\n09:54.517 --> 10:11.297\n你看看上個禮拜資訊月今年在跟我合作之下速發布做了一個壯士在董資樂園董資叫董資訊的樂園改變那個思維\n\n10:12.614 --> 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禮拜我去見副院長，我跟他交流非常得愉快，我真的感受到他是一個文化人，有文化的使命感，我覺得他對文化感動的深度是有的，所以跟他談話非常愉快，我們談了一個小時，他表示十分感動，也深表認同。我跟部長溝通了快兩個會期，我常常討論這個問題，請問你有同感嗎？"],["李部長遠：你剛才講是你跟院長還是……"],["吳委員春城：我見院長時，他手上也是拿壯世代。我跟你傳播的就像宣教士一樣一直在傳教，給我們文化部的同仁做這麼多的傳教，都快兩個會期了，請問你有聽進去嗎？"],["李部長遠：所以，我剛才說要跟您報告我們逐項已經做的事情，我請我們的司長跟你報告。"],["吳委員春城：我會找時間，我先看你們回答我的，你先不用口頭在這裡講。"],["李部長遠：您剛才講的那個壯世代，我一直非常認同。"],["吳委員春城：我認為現在已經到了文化國安危機的地步了，但文化部並沒有這個認知！我從你們的預算書，從你們回復過來的所有文件去看這個人口問題，到2040年我們將有三分之一的人口缺乏方向，其實最核心的問題，是我們對整個高齡社會的定型，沒有文化的論述，對於這些文化的偏見。事實上高齡化跟少子化是一體之兩面，但是文化部並沒有這個認知，沒有把這樣的一個責任放在自己的身上。我們臺灣本來是一個文化大國，中華民國是一個文化大國，但是我們現在並沒有感受到我們是一個文化大國，我們越來越是一個文化小國，在國際文化地位上面，越來越不具有地位。","從你們的計畫當中，感覺到你們一直在做的是什麼轉型正義，其實臺灣現在已經沒有轉型正義的問題了。臺灣往前三十年，最重要的事情是民主化，這個大家都認同；但走到現在還在搞民主，那就是笑話，文化部顯然還停留在那一個時空裡面。往後三十年，臺灣最重要的是人口學，人口問題天翻地覆，臺灣未來五十年會減少1,000萬人，你知道嗎？整個歷史的一個變化，天翻地覆的變化，是會影響到全面的！而且它的重要性會超越民主化對整個臺灣全面性的影響，我們卻任其荒蕪！為什麼會任其荒蕪？因為各部會完全沒有這種觀念。少子化的超高齡社會已經定型，大家認為那個超高齡社會是一個悲慘世界，還是一個美麗新世界呢？部長，你覺得是悲慘世界還是美麗新世界？"],["李部長遠：好像很難用悲慘世界跟美麗世界來形容這麼簡單的……"],["吳委員春城：沒有，這是一個信仰……"],["李部長遠：在臺灣作為一個……"],["吳委員春城：這是一個認知的信仰。我跟部長講，現在各部會大概都把它當作一個悲慘的世界，當你是這樣認為的時候，你提出的解方就是悲慘解方，這是一個定型的看法，未來我們的世界都是悲慘的嗎？換一個角度，如果把壯世代當作是一個美麗新世界，你就可以提出美麗的解方來。這個靠的是什麼，就是思維，看大家有沒有那個眼光。這個要靠誰？靠文化部！顯然文化部也是當作悲慘世界，這就是我為什麼說是文化的國安危機─文化部歧視高齡者，你們在114年的預算當中給予壯世代族群的計畫，只有在藝術醫療結合科技文化提供樂齡社交這一項，編列1,000萬元，其他的我們沒有看見。所以你剛才講的有多重視，難道這不是歧視嗎？在我的壯促法公聽會當中，各部會的資料都是厚厚一本，文化部則是一頁封面和一頁內容，這是什麼意思？再看一下你們的內容，第一點只說我們尊重各個族群，沒有什麼意思；第二點是配合行政院所做的，比如我們可以在高雄流行音樂中心舉辦2024藍寶石大歌廳演唱會，這是在嘲笑壯世代！壯世代就只配去藍寶石大歌廳嗎？這就是文化部對壯世代的認知嗎？第三點說什麼藝文活動、社交交流，數位賦能銀髮的什麼連結，所以我們在文化當中有沉浸式的，然後本部有電子書、擴充電子書等等。你們回答的就是這三點。文化問題這麼重要，會讓你們翻天覆地的翻轉，跟你們溝通了兩個會期，你們回復的就這三點，還說你們有多重視！請你們看看2024資訊月，數發部跟本席合作，舉辦了壯世代懂資樂園，就是懂資訊的樂園，改變大家的思維，我帶幾萬個壯世代族群進入資訊月裡面，第一次讓銀髮族大玩資訊月，你覺得他沒有可能嗎？你覺得他不可能嗎？過去都一直叫作樂齡資訊區，沒有人要去；我改變他的思維以後，人數大量增加，這應該是文化部要做的事情，數發部都已經在做了，數發部的黃部長對懂資樂園全力支持，但我沒有看到文化部！原本我對文化部有很高的期待，認為這是引領我們整個進入新社會當中的一個起手，但是到現在，我完全沒有看到文化部有這樣的努力。","部長，我本來一直都很尊重你，從頭到尾就認為你是一個文化人，而我對文化人非常的尊重，希望你不要成為一個政治人，攬上越來越多的政治色彩。本席也呼籲各部會應該改變這個錯誤的文化認知的人設，我們現在對銀髮族都停留在臥床、要去醫院、沒希望了，是年輕人的負擔，需要安養晚年等等，我看文化部現在對高齡者的態度也是這個樣子！","其實壯世代有三十年的健康餘命、要追求自我實現、要貢獻社會、要促進世代的循環，要有精彩的第三人生、要被正常的對待，這不就是一個文化認知嗎？希望文化部能夠往這方面來努力，不要造成世代的對立，這樣才能夠解決世代的問題。因為未來在整個社會裡面，高齡者就當分子、人口越來越多，少子化造成分母越來越小，請問文化部有什麼解方？唯一的解方就是把分子壯大起來，拉下來當分母，這就是壯世代追求的一個目標，應該是跟文化部非常的符合。希望文化部好好再思考，我們可以來好好的認知這一點。其實你們可以去google一下，幾十萬筆的資訊都在談這個問題，已引起社會極大的反應，文化部應該引導大家思維、思潮的方向，不要成為一個落伍的落後者。所以，我們需要一個能夠翻轉700萬壯世代的文化部長，來帶領各部會，期待部長。"],["李部長遠：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝吳春城委員的質詢，部長請回。","接下來請范雲委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":428,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-22-9","speakers":["萬美玲","林倩綺","洪孟楷","柯志恩","葉元之","陳秀寳","葛如鈞","陳培瑜","林宜瑾","郭昱晴","吳沛憶","吳春城","范雲","張雅琳","黃國昌","羅智強","羅廷瑋","翁曉玲","吳思瑤","賴惠員","王美惠"],"page_start":359,"meetingDate":["2024-11-21"],"gazette_id":"11310401","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11310401_00007"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第9次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部及所屬單位預算案；二、審查114年度中央政府總\n預算案有關文化部主管國立文化機構作業基金附屬單位預算案；三、審查114年度中央政府總預\n算案有關文化部主管文化發展基金附屬單位預算案；四、審查114年度行政法人國家表演藝術中\n心、文化內容策進院、國家電影及視聽文化中心預算案（僅進行詢答）","agenda_id":"11310401_00006"}}}