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00:01:34,682\n我們跟幾個國家有稍微談到就是未來的合作大概是什麼面向的合作呢?像有經濟方面的幾乎都經濟方面的合作啦那包括一些科技上面的合作那你覺得這對台灣應該是會有大大的注意吧?會有的因為我們現在建立了更容易接觸的管道\n\n5\n00:01:35,694 --> 00:01:41,339\n那在這一次APEC的這個閉門會議之中這個國際貨幣基金會的總裁在16號的時候他有警告說這個貿易保護主義正在削弱全球的經濟整合與貿易的成長動能\n\n6\n00:01:52,628 --> 00:02:05,919\n那大家都知道川普明年1月上臺對臺美貿易關係一定會產生影響那主委你認為整體而言川普上臺對臺灣到底是利多還是利空\n\n7\n00:02:07,754 --> 00:02:28,161\n其實我們認為利弊都存在但是以利多於弊利多於弊怎麼說呢?可以詳細的說明一下嗎?因為我們多數的產業目前是剛好跟對岸正式比較強烈的在碰撞跟競爭中因為對岸的稅按照川普的說法會苛徵60%的稅那會造成對岸的成本比較高\n\n8\n00:02:32,842 --> 00:02:47,562\n我認為是一個機會因為在上一波川普任內造成很多的企業因此離開中國到海外的發展那有一部分回到台灣回到台灣大概我們統計到到前一陣子是2.3兆所以多少是有很大的幫助的\n\n9\n00:02:48,123 --> 00:02:58,787\n那當然這個如果主委這樣說我們也是樂觀其成我們也希望臺灣的景氣可以在這個美中貿易戰之間我們可以就是發展起來然後更加的茁壯看到您那邊也有湖北園區那這些園區我們也希望盡快能夠讓廠商進駐\n\n10\n00:03:05,749 --> 00:03:28,741\n是,就是說我們這個虎尾中科二期擴展希望主委可以大大的支持因為它目前已經完全停滯我覺得非常的可惜,32.8公頃這個二期擴張完全停滯這對於整個臺灣的土地利用甚至我們產業的發展我覺得這是非常值得擔憂的所以請主委也關心好嗎好\n\n11\n00:03:30,402 --> 00:03:55,880\n對啊因為我們也希望說不只是台積電甚至有很多想要在台灣投資的這些高科技產業就好像說他們要從中國移出的話可以考慮我們雲林中科二期啊這個包括說我們中科二期旁邊不只是那32.8公頃連結的單一地主台塘土地還有1600多公頃你要上下游整合整個產業都是非常有機會的\n\n12\n00:03:57,481 --> 00:04:23,214\n請主委特別拍時間來看吧前一陣子我有介紹我們也介紹了矽品、熱光的矽品到雲林發展沒有,他矽品已經要蓋好了他馬上要營運了他已經去了3年了他已經蓋好明年6月就要營運了他投資了1000億但這只是一個開始而已這只是一個開始希望主委可以繼續來關心我們地方剛才有許多位委員講到中鋼\n\n13\n00:04:25,715 --> 00:04:31,278\n之前針對國發會扶植的綠能國家隊聯合再生公司結果成立之後弊案頻傳成立到目前為止虧損高達140多億國發基金投資聯合再生也準備認賠殺出聽說你們這就是填坑的基金預計聯合再生投資案國發基金大概還會再賠多少錢\n\n14\n00:04:51,770 --> 00:05:05,796\n他現在是這樣子我們當時投資的金額是價格是在13塊多目前在11塊多所以你們覺得大概還要再賠多少?如果我們能夠順利出去的話大概是賠10到20%之間那是多少錢?\n\n15\n00:05:08,254 --> 00:05:25,033\n大概是4億吧所以要再多賠44億喔?沒有沒有沒有總共總共沒有沒有沒有沒有我們沒有投那麼多錢啊就是說這個44億不是4億4億4億聽起來像是一個冷冰冰的數字啊覺得說好像4億也沒有多少錢\n\n16\n00:05:26,435 --> 00:05:40,489\n4億很多錢好嗎那現在另外一個案子又來了國發會高副主委14號出席論壇的時候說這個國發基金準備投資一個飯工股的綠電平台想請問主委知道這個綠電平台嗎\n\n17\n00:05:42,591 --> 00:05:57,999\n這個綠電平台是這樣子我們請經濟部送行政院核定那核定之後我們就會依據國發基金的管理辦法依照行政院的核定那目前是規劃準備投資多少錢要等行政院核定\n\n18\n00:05:58,639 --> 00:05:59,781\n目前我們並沒有談到錢的部分\n\n19\n00:06:15,643 --> 00:06:36,906\n那他必須等行政院核定那據本席瞭解這計畫其實有一段時間了而且中鋼一開始是完全沒有意願一直到今年5月召開范宮古的售電公司這個研商的會議之後中鋼不斷地提出說不想參與這個售電平台的理由請問主委知道為什麼他不想參與嗎?\n\n20\n00:06:38,559 --> 00:06:47,674\n因為我們只針對這件事情開過一次會是經濟部來說明那我們請經濟部把這個案子送信所以為什麼他不願意參加呢\n\n21\n00:06:48,973 --> 00:07:15,988\n我並不清楚他背後的原因我覺得主委應該要找出原因啊因為你不能夠國發基金然後跟經濟部逼著說大家都一定要參加呀所以現在被逼著要參加那國發基金呢你們是被逼著要投資嗎他整個的目的主要是因為很多的中小型企業比較拿不到綠電他當時的就我他們的報告的內容是希望幫助中小企業能夠拿到綠電\n\n22\n00:07:16,989 --> 00:07:30,559\n我想你們當初成立聯合投資聯合再生也是利益良善啊但是我們現在最擔心的是綠電平台要求這國發基金國營事業都一起投資那國發基金要投資之前的審議機制是什麼\n\n23\n00:07:32,741 --> 00:07:55,902\n我們基本上是希望透過行政院的核定由行政院指定你不能什麼都推給行政院如果有審議機制那高副主委就不應該在審議之前對外說國發基金準備投資啊都還沒有審議怎麼知道就一定會過呢沒錯這個我有特別提醒他了有沒有搞錯啊你們都不用審議想投資就投資愛幹嘛幹嘛是怎麼樣\n\n24\n00:07:57,003 --> 00:07:59,124\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分關於行政院、離島建設基金、花東地區永續發展\n\n25\n00:08:18,473 --> 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--> 00:13.055\n主席我想請這個主委\n\n00:19.967 --> 00:40.900\n主委在我開始質詢之前我覺得真的今天應該要感謝趙偉你也要感謝趙偉因為呢真的國發會的這個管理上可能有一點點鬆散怎麼會該在這裡開會的人沒有在這裡這一點可能主委你要辛苦一點是的謝謝我們會檢討\n\n00:43.662 --> 00:56.729\n主委上一週你到秘魯去參加APAC這個部長年會會後在記者會中你有講到說在與泰國、新加坡、菲律賓、日本等國家的部長交換意見還交換了這個WhatsApp的這個通訊軟體的聯絡資訊那本席當然是非常樂見說國發會與國際交流接軌不過除了這些之外主委有沒有什麼其他的收穫可以跟我們分享嗎\n\n01:11.810 --> 01:34.682\n我們跟幾個國家有稍微談到就是未來的合作大概是什麼面向的合作呢?像有經濟方面的幾乎都經濟方面的合作啦那包括一些科技上面的合作那你覺得這對台灣應該是會有大大的注意吧?會有的因為我們現在建立了更容易接觸的管道\n\n01:35.694 --> 01:41.339\n那在這一次APEC的這個閉門會議之中這個國際貨幣基金會的總裁在16號的時候他有警告說這個貿易保護主義正在削弱全球的經濟整合與貿易的成長動能\n\n01:52.628 --> 02:05.919\n那大家都知道川普明年1月上臺對臺美貿易關係一定會產生影響那主委你認為整體而言川普上臺對臺灣到底是利多還是利空\n\n02:07.754 --> 02:28.161\n其實我們認為利弊都存在但是以利多於弊利多於弊怎麼說呢?可以詳細的說明一下嗎?因為我們多數的產業目前是剛好跟對岸正式比較強烈的在碰撞跟競爭中因為對岸的稅按照川普的說法會苛徵60%的稅那會造成對岸的成本比較高\n\n02:32.842 --> 02:47.562\n我認為是一個機會因為在上一波川普任內造成很多的企業因此離開中國到海外的發展那有一部分回到台灣回到台灣大概我們統計到到前一陣子是2.3兆所以多少是有很大的幫助的\n\n02:48.123 --> 02:58.787\n那當然這個如果主委這樣說我們也是樂觀其成我們也希望臺灣的景氣可以在這個美中貿易戰之間我們可以就是發展起來然後更加的茁壯看到您那邊也有湖北園區那這些園區我們也希望盡快能夠讓廠商進駐\n\n03:05.749 --> 03:28.741\n是,就是說我們這個虎尾中科二期擴展希望主委可以大大的支持因為它目前已經完全停滯我覺得非常的可惜,32.8公頃這個二期擴張完全停滯這對於整個臺灣的土地利用甚至我們產業的發展我覺得這是非常值得擔憂的所以請主委也關心好嗎好\n\n03:30.402 --> 03:55.880\n對啊因為我們也希望說不只是台積電甚至有很多想要在台灣投資的這些高科技產業就好像說他們要從中國移出的話可以考慮我們雲林中科二期啊這個包括說我們中科二期旁邊不只是那32.8公頃連結的單一地主台塘土地還有1600多公頃你要上下游整合整個產業都是非常有機會的\n\n03:57.481 --> 04:23.214\n請主委特別拍時間來看吧前一陣子我有介紹我們也介紹了矽品、熱光的矽品到雲林發展沒有,他矽品已經要蓋好了他馬上要營運了他已經去了3年了他已經蓋好明年6月就要營運了他投資了1000億但這只是一個開始而已這只是一個開始希望主委可以繼續來關心我們地方剛才有許多位委員講到中鋼\n\n04:25.715 --> 04:31.278\n之前針對國發會扶植的綠能國家隊聯合再生公司結果成立之後弊案頻傳成立到目前為止虧損高達140多億國發基金投資聯合再生也準備認賠殺出聽說你們這就是填坑的基金預計聯合再生投資案國發基金大概還會再賠多少錢\n\n04:51.770 --> 05:05.796\n他現在是這樣子我們當時投資的金額是價格是在13塊多目前在11塊多所以你們覺得大概還要再賠多少?如果我們能夠順利出去的話大概是賠10到20%之間那是多少錢?\n\n05:08.254 --> 05:25.033\n大概是4億吧所以要再多賠44億喔?沒有沒有沒有總共總共沒有沒有沒有沒有我們沒有投那麼多錢啊就是說這個44億不是4億4億4億聽起來像是一個冷冰冰的數字啊覺得說好像4億也沒有多少錢\n\n05:26.435 --> 05:40.489\n4億很多錢好嗎那現在另外一個案子又來了國發會高副主委14號出席論壇的時候說這個國發基金準備投資一個飯工股的綠電平台想請問主委知道這個綠電平台嗎\n\n05:42.591 --> 05:57.999\n這個綠電平台是這樣子我們請經濟部送行政院核定那核定之後我們就會依據國發基金的管理辦法依照行政院的核定那目前是規劃準備投資多少錢要等行政院核定\n\n05:58.639 --> 05:59.781\n目前我們並沒有談到錢的部分\n\n06:15.643 --> 06:36.906\n那他必須等行政院核定那據本席瞭解這計畫其實有一段時間了而且中鋼一開始是完全沒有意願一直到今年5月召開范宮古的售電公司這個研商的會議之後中鋼不斷地提出說不想參與這個售電平台的理由請問主委知道為什麼他不想參與嗎?\n\n06:38.559 --> 06:47.674\n因為我們只針對這件事情開過一次會是經濟部來說明那我們請經濟部把這個案子送信所以為什麼他不願意參加呢\n\n06:48.973 --> 07:15.988\n我並不清楚他背後的原因我覺得主委應該要找出原因啊因為你不能夠國發基金然後跟經濟部逼著說大家都一定要參加呀所以現在被逼著要參加那國發基金呢你們是被逼著要投資嗎他整個的目的主要是因為很多的中小型企業比較拿不到綠電他當時的就我他們的報告的內容是希望幫助中小企業能夠拿到綠電\n\n07:16.989 --> 07:30.559\n我想你們當初成立聯合投資聯合再生也是利益良善啊但是我們現在最擔心的是綠電平台要求這國發基金國營事業都一起投資那國發基金要投資之前的審議機制是什麼\n\n07:32.741 --> 07:55.902\n我們基本上是希望透過行政院的核定由行政院指定你不能什麼都推給行政院如果有審議機制那高副主委就不應該在審議之前對外說國發基金準備投資啊都還沒有審議怎麼知道就一定會過呢沒錯這個我有特別提醒他了有沒有搞錯啊你們都不用審議想投資就投資愛幹嘛幹嘛是怎麼樣\n\n07:57.003 --> 07:59.124\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分關於行政院、離島建設基金、花東地區永續發展\n\n08:18.473 --> 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劉主任委員鏡清：如果我們能夠順利出去的話，大概是賠10%到20%之間。"],["張委員嘉郡：那是多少錢？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：大概是4億吧。"],["張委員嘉郡：所以要再多賠44億？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：沒有、沒有，是4億。"],["張委員嘉郡：總共？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：沒有、沒有，我們沒有投那麼多錢。"],["張委員嘉郡：對，這個44億聽起來……"],["劉主任委員鏡清：是4億。"],["張委員嘉郡：4億，聽起來像是一個冷冰冰的數字，覺得好像4億也沒有多少錢，4億很多錢好嘛！現在另外一個案子又來了，國發會高副主委14號出席論壇的時候說，國發基金準備投資一個泛官股的綠電平臺，想請問主委知道這個綠電平臺嗎？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：這個綠電平臺是這樣子，我們請經濟部送行政院核定，核定之後我們就會依據國發基金的管理辦法，依照行政院的核定……"],["張委員嘉郡：目前是規劃準備投資多少錢？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：要等行政院核定，我們並沒有談到錢。"],["張委員嘉郡：所以不知道？你們沒有打算知道要投資多少錢？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：我們……"],["張委員嘉郡：因為據傳是中華電信、中鋼一起來成立這個平臺，讓中小企業購買綠電，這個部分主委具體有什麼可以跟我們分享的嗎？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：目前我們並沒有談到錢的部分，它必須等行政院核定。"],["張委員嘉郡：據本席了解，這個計畫其實有一段時間了，而且中鋼一開始是完全沒有意願，一直到今年5月召開泛官股的售電公司研商會議之後，中鋼不斷地提出不想參與這個售電平臺的理由，請問主委知道為什麼它不想參與嗎？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：因為我們只針對這件事情開過一次會，是經濟部來說明，我們請經濟部把這個案子送行政院核定。"],["張委員嘉郡：為什麼它不願意參加呢？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：我並不清楚它背後的原因，但是整個……"],["張委員嘉郡：我覺得主委應該要找出原因啊……"],["劉主任委員鏡清：就我了解的……"],["張委員嘉郡：因為你不能夠逼著國發基金跟經濟部，說大家都一定要參加，所以現在被逼著要參加，那國發基金呢？你們是被逼著要投資嗎？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：它的目的主要是因為很多中小型企業比較拿不到綠電，就他們報告的內容是希望幫助中小企業能夠拿到綠電。"],["張委員嘉郡：是，我想你們當初投資聯合再生也是立意良善，但是我們現在最擔心的是，綠電平臺要求國發基金、國營事業都一起投資，國發基金要投資之前的審議機制是什麼？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：我們基本上是希望透過行政院的核定，由行政院……"],["張委員嘉郡：你不能什麼都推給行政院，如果有審議機制，高副主委就不應該在審議之前對外說國發基金準備投資啊！都還沒有審議，怎麼知道就一定會過呢？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：沒錯，這個我有特別提醒他。"],["張委員嘉郡：有沒有搞錯啊！你們都不用審議，想投資就投資，愛幹嘛就幹嘛，是怎麼樣？為所欲為嗎？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：這個要經過……"],["張委員嘉郡：而且中鋼跟中華電信都有自己的董事會，怎麼就能夠確保他們的董事會一定能夠通過呢？還是早就已經都喬好了，這些審議就只是做戲而已、過場而已？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：你講的這些細節，我因為沒有參與，我不便表態。"],["張委員嘉郡：主委，你要深入了解……"],["劉主任委員鏡清：但是我們的部分是……"],["張委員嘉郡：因為您有重責大任，你要為人民的荷包把關，不要讓這個綠電平臺變成第二個聯合再生、第二個台鹽綠能，好嗎？"],["劉主任委員鏡清：好的。"],["張委員嘉郡：謝謝。"],["劉主任委員鏡清：謝謝。"],["主席：好，謝謝張嘉郡委員。","下一位質詢請葉元之委員。我們中午不休息，會議延長到質詢結束。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":214,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-19-16","speakers":["邱志偉","林岱樺","邱議瑩","張啓楷","鄭正鈐","陳亭妃","鄭天財Sra 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