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00:02:29,466\n那個時候有開一個叫做安心上工可是那個時候我爭取是因為我們原住民部落不約而同每個部落都有自主防疫站所以當時希望給他們一些安心上工的一些費用好現在我有告訴原民會原民會有一個原住民就業基金我說啊我們這一些洗腎的人一個禮拜洗三天\n\n7\n00:02:30,247 --> 00:02:58,394\n他根本沒有辦法就業但是他又不是沒有能力工作我說能不能夠比照這種安心上工的概念一個禮拜能夠有20個小時讓他起碼有個一萬五千塊不要讓他成為部落家裡的依賴人口讓他也能夠就他的能力去做事所以原民會已經有幫我做一個規劃原地及時就業協助那些洗腎人口就業我現在也想問\n\n8\n00:02:59,494 --> 00:03:20,041\n我們的偏鄉醫療部長我們就是因為醫療不足的問題造成我們常常吃成藥亂吃成藥加上一些其他的因素我們的洗腎人口很多啊很辛苦啊能不能夠例如有個行動醫療行動洗腎車這樣的概念來幫助我們偏鄉可以嗎\n\n9\n00:03:25,489 --> 00:03:45,925\n我想解決偏鄉這個問題是我們不可逃不可避開的責任當然這個可能要跟專家討論洗聖車這樣的一個我其實我也關心過我也問過次長之內願意支持\n\n10\n00:03:49,608 --> 00:04:07,835\n如果專家覺得這樣的效益或者成果是不錯我覺得我們衛福部應該要支持偏鄉行動洗車可以嗎好那我接下來我要問另外一個問題你知道嗎我們的原建法已經通過一年\n\n11\n00:04:08,945 --> 00:04:26,290\n去年的12月29號在國衛院那邊基於原建法有一個原住民健康研究中心正式揭牌我只剩不到兩個禮拜就要投票選舉我還特別去參加揭牌啊我只是為了傳達一個概念啊\n\n12\n00:04:27,230 --> 00:04:46,407\n可不可以我們好不容易爭取到的這個是當時逐條審查最後協商10秒我爭取到的四個字把文化安全四個字寫入法條中可是我說我們連這個原住民族健康研究中心難道這個主任不可以是我們原住民嗎一年了沒消沒息\n\n13\n00:04:52,455 --> 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