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00:02:01,544\n113年跟112年謊稱代辦貸款的詐騙數據這也是之前我跟刑事警察局要的資料成長的比例讓我覺得更訝異\n\n7\n00:02:03,877 --> 00:02:23,187\n去年同時間800多件但今年同時間有到2100多件暴增了所以換言之不管是外籍人士也好或是說本國的這個詐騙案件我們不是說一直在防範詐騙打擊詐騙但為什麼感覺越打越詐到底發生了什麼事情是不是簡要說明一下\n\n8\n00:02:25,503 --> 00:02:46,448\n謝謝委員我想外籍人士的部分一方面就是說我們現在義後觀光的部分復甦所以有蠻多的這個外籍人士他是持這個觀光簽證到臺灣那我們就有發現這所謂的假觀光真詐騙的這種行為所以在這個部分我們也跟包括交通部\n\n9\n00:02:47,188 --> 00:03:09,254\n還有這個外交部我們在研擬就對某一些風險比較高的國家的觀光客我們要不要採取一些其他的管制措施這個部分還在討論我可以請教一下都是那個國籍東南亞國家還是免簽的國家以免簽的國家為主最近我們有放寬幾個免簽的國家\n\n10\n00:03:12,075 --> 00:03:34,082\n這個部分我們也在尋求就是說該國的駐台的單位跟我們一起來討論這個對策那這個部分我們可能有一些比較細節的部分我們會後可以再跟委員報告但什麼時候因為我們現在已經看到問題了不管是數字層面統計層面這都是我們刑事警察局統計的嘛那什麼時候能夠把辦法給拿出來\n\n11\n00:03:35,595 --> 00:03:47,510\n你剛也講跟外交部跟交通部那什麼時候有一個具體明確的不管是改善也好、政策也好、調整也好來跟委包我們希望年底之前我們能夠有個對策\n\n12\n00:03:48,208 --> 00:04:06,998\n年底之前會提出對策因為我們已經開過兩次會另外本席有關注到一個案件我想也利用這個機會兩位署長也都在我先請教現在外籍人士是不是在台灣可以購買這個所謂的摩托車或是微型電動車而且不需要雇主證明對不對\n\n13\n00:04:12,918 --> 00:04:41,021\n確定啦這個不是陷阱題現在外籍人士在台灣可以購買微型機車跟微型電動車不用附上雇主證明但是我們有沒有限制兩個部分因為我知道交通部今天沒有來但是我提出來因為這個是最近本席聽到我們基層員警有反應的我們有沒有限制外籍人士他一個人可以購買多少台摩托車或他名下可以登記多少台摩托車\n\n14\n00:04:43,735 --> 00:04:44,835\n移民署這就跟你有相關了吧\n\n15\n00:05:07,190 --> 00:05:26,784\n如果是這個部分還是要財稅單位有通知我們的話我們就會選擇有可能沒有通知所以說他今天你今天外籍人士要離開他拿其他國家的護照要離開我們的國門的時候我們不知道說他到底有沒有繳清我們台灣的交通罰款我們有沒有繳清我們相關的一些\n\n16\n00:05:28,426 --> 00:05:46,527\n如果說他不是刑事案件的話是不是他就可以直接離開也沒有任何記錄如果沒有記錄的話沒有禁止出現的話的確是可以本席現在提出一個很嚴重的狀況這也是基層員警告訴我就是說外籍人士現在有一些不肖業者他就直接去找外籍人士去\n\n17\n00:05:47,108 --> 00:06:03,373\n人頭也好或說去用什麼樣他就等於一個外籍人士他下面可能登記了三四十台摩托車他都用他的身份證件去購買機車購買機車完之後行照掛在這個外籍人士身上但是用的可能是其他人去用\n\n18\n00:06:04,133 --> 00:06:22,238\n那造成說如果這一台摩托車他去外面闖紅燈被開單罰款也是罰單也是寄到這一個人來可是這一個人也許三個月到期了他就要回他的國家了他就離境那這個罰單就不知道找誰了\n\n19\n00:06:22,958 --> 00:06:43,958\n那還有這只是一般的正常違規情況如果說有肇事假設他騎著這台摩托車撞到人肇事但他逃逸他當場沒有被攔下來他就駕駛者就離開了警方來巡訊追蹤也只能追蹤到登記他名下的但這一個外籍人士有可能出境了\n\n20\n00:06:45,376 --> 00:07:03,181\n所以這跟什麼這跟本席聽到這跟假車牌有一點點類似但又不完全因為他是真車牌只是他的車牌全部都登記在同一個人的名下那那個人可能就變成是人頭他可能有不肖業者他就去找快要離開的最後半年最後三個月要離開台灣了\n\n21\n00:07:04,321 --> 00:07:31,569\n那他就跟他收購我可能一台車一千塊一台車兩千塊還多少錢你就讓我登記反正我沒有登記上限所以會發生一個很荒謬的情況一個人他下面有三四十個車牌五六十個車牌的登記然後罰款沒繳他也離開我們出入境我們移民署沒有辦法攔截他這會是一個治安問題喔\n\n22\n00:07:33,271 --> 00:07:59,495\n跟委員報告我們目前齁在這個外籍移工的部分如果他離境的話他的門號跟帳戶我們會跟金管會還有NCC會去做一個阻斷那委員剛剛提到是有關於車牌的部分我們會跟交通部討論就是說我們先了解一下他那個樣態還有剛剛委員提到一個人他到底身上掛了幾台車\n\n23\n00:07:59,795 --> 00:08:15,298\n我們說現在可以讓他不用付雇主證明他就可以買車這個尊重人權我們沒有意見但是他理論上來講一個人就一台摩托車嘛頂多兩台嘛但他如果說一個人他名下有50台、30台那就明顯不合理啊\n\n24\n00:08:15,979 --> 00:08:40,392\n郭台銘來他也不會騎那種摩托車啊對不對所以這樣子一個樣態他就會是犯罪溫藏有可能他不是自己用而是給別人用那就會產生我剛剛提出來的這個問題我想這個部分連帶的因為會這樣做的人不是一個常態他有可能就有一些犯罪有可能他又變車手車手的車牌車手的交通工具然後再去做詐騙\n\n25\n00:08:41,813 --> 00:09:04,027\n緩緩相扣。」我想我點到這邊你們這些就是有偵查經驗的人應該比我更了解這個是一個破口請一定要防堵好嗎那一個月內也給本席針對這個部分做什麼樣的一個因應措施是不是讓本席也知道好謝偉我們跟交通部研擬一下整個樣態然後我們有對策的部分跟委員會報告好謝謝再麻煩一個月內回覆\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4842\t10444\t主席謝謝麻煩請內政部次長還有警政署跟移民署署長麻煩次長、署長好謝謝\n18343\t42316\t市長我先表揚一下本席的選區林口上個禮拜也我們中校派出所所長成功攔貨一個馬來西亞籍的車手那追回了賬款那我知道這段時間這個詐騙氾濫程度可是我們第一線的員警其實都非常的辛苦那我常講是說要源頭管理那還有就是說我們看到問題來解決問題\n43897\t56747\t但到目前為止一月到八月的時候有多少的外籍人士因為詐騙的相關案件被逮捕我想我們有這個相關的搜尋統計的資料來沒關係我們直接秀出來\n58523\t81676\t這個是刑事警察局這邊的一個統計那其中詐騙詐欺的部分在113年1月到8月已經有761案那比過去幾年都還要來得高那去年是921案但是回推下來還有三分之一左右的一個時間所以說今年有可能外籍人士會破千案嘛\n82156\t109473\t那在在就是看到說有外籍人士當然我還是強調99%我認為說外籍人士願意來到台灣生活不管是新住民不管是來求學我想都是利益良善也都希望是能夠跟台灣共榮共存共好可是有人還是會有這個專漏洞的一個情況我想這也是為什麼我們召委今天排這個專案報告那另外我看到另外一個數據是下一頁\n111797\t121544\t113年跟112年謊稱代辦貸款的詐騙數據這也是之前我跟刑事警察局要的資料成長的比例讓我覺得更訝異\n123877\t143187\t去年同時間800多件但今年同時間有到2100多件暴增了所以換言之不管是外籍人士也好或是說本國的這個詐騙案件我們不是說一直在防範詐騙打擊詐騙但為什麼感覺越打越詐到底發生了什麼事情是不是簡要說明一下\n145503\t166448\t謝謝委員我想外籍人士的部分一方面就是說我們現在義後觀光的部分復甦所以有蠻多的這個外籍人士他是持這個觀光簽證到臺灣那我們就有發現這所謂的假觀光真詐騙的這種行為所以在這個部分我們也跟包括交通部\n167188\t189254\t還有這個外交部我們在研擬就對某一些風險比較高的國家的觀光客我們要不要採取一些其他的管制措施這個部分還在討論我可以請教一下都是那個國籍東南亞國家還是免簽的國家以免簽的國家為主最近我們有放寬幾個免簽的國家\n192075\t214082\t這個部分我們也在尋求就是說該國的駐台的單位跟我們一起來討論這個對策那這個部分我們可能有一些比較細節的部分我們會後可以再跟委員報告但什麼時候因為我們現在已經看到問題了不管是數字層面統計層面這都是我們刑事警察局統計的嘛那什麼時候能夠把辦法給拿出來\n215595\t227510\t你剛也講跟外交部跟交通部那什麼時候有一個具體明確的不管是改善也好、政策也好、調整也好來跟委包我們希望年底之前我們能夠有個對策\n228208\t246998\t年底之前會提出對策因為我們已經開過兩次會另外本席有關注到一個案件我想也利用這個機會兩位署長也都在我先請教現在外籍人士是不是在台灣可以購買這個所謂的摩托車或是微型電動車而且不需要雇主證明對不對\n252918\t281021\t確定啦 這個不是陷阱題現在外籍人士在台灣可以購買微型機車跟微型電動車不用附上雇主證明但是我們有沒有限制兩個部分因為我知道交通部今天沒有來但是我提出來因為這個是最近本席聽到我們基層員警有反應的我們有沒有限制外籍人士他一個人可以購買多少台摩托車或他名下可以登記多少台摩托車\n283735\t284835\t移民署這就跟你有相關了吧\n307190\t326784\t如果是這個部分還是要財稅單位有通知我們的話我們就會選擇有可能沒有通知所以說他今天你今天外籍人士要離開他拿其他國家的護照要離開我們的國門的時候我們不知道說他到底有沒有繳清我們台灣的交通罰款我們有沒有繳清我們相關的一些\n328426\t346527\t如果說他不是刑事案件的話是不是他就可以直接離開也沒有任何記錄如果沒有記錄的話沒有禁止出現的話的確是可以本席現在提出一個很嚴重的狀況這也是基層員警告訴我就是說外籍人士現在有一些不肖業者他就直接去找外籍人士去\n347108\t363373\t人頭也好或說去用什麼樣他就等於一個外籍人士他下面可能登記了三四十台摩托車他都用他的身份證件去購買機車購買機車完之後行照掛在這個外籍人士身上但是用的可能是其他人去用\n364133\t382238\t那造成說如果這一台摩托車他去外面闖紅燈被開單罰款也是罰單也是寄到這一個人來可是這一個人也許三個月到期了他就要回他的國家了他就離境那這個罰單就不知道找誰了\n382958\t403958\t那還有這只是一般的正常違規情況如果說有肇事假設他騎著這台摩托車撞到人肇事但他逃逸他當場沒有被攔下來他就駕駛者就離開了警方來巡訊追蹤也只能追蹤到登記他名下的但這一個外籍人士有可能出境了\n405376\t423181\t所以這跟什麼這跟本席聽到這跟假車牌有一點點類似但又不完全因為他是真車牌只是他的車牌全部都登記在同一個人的名下那那個人可能就變成是人頭他可能有不肖業者他就去找快要離開的最後半年最後三個月要離開台灣了\n424321\t451569\t那他就跟他收購我可能一台車一千塊一台車兩千塊還多少錢你就讓我登記反正我沒有登記上限所以會發生一個很荒謬的情況一個人他下面有三四十個車牌五六十個車牌的登記然後罰款沒繳他也離開我們出入境我們移民署沒有辦法攔截他這會是一個治安問題喔\n453271\t479495\t跟委員報告我們目前齁在這個外籍移工的部分如果他離境的話他的門號跟帳戶我們會跟金管會還有NCC會去做一個阻斷那委員剛剛提到是有關於車牌的部分我們會跟交通部討論就是說我們先了解一下他那個樣態還有剛剛委員提到一個人他到底身上掛了幾台車\n479795\t495298\t我們說現在可以讓他不用付雇主證明他就可以買車這個尊重人權我們沒有意見但是他理論上來講一個人就一台摩托車嘛頂多兩台嘛但他如果說一個人他名下有50台、30台那就明顯不合理啊\n495979\t520392\t郭台銘來他也不會騎那種摩托車啊對不對所以這樣子一個樣態他就會是犯罪溫藏有可能他不是自己用而是給別人用那就會產生我剛剛提出來的這個問題我想這個部分連帶的因為會這樣做的人不是一個常態他有可能就有一些犯罪有可能他又變車手車手的車牌車手的交通工具然後再去做詐騙\n521813\t544027\t緩緩相扣。」我想我點到這邊你們這些就是有偵查經驗的人應該比我更了解這個是一個破口請一定要防堵好嗎那一個月內也給本席針對這個部分做什麼樣的一個因應措施是不是讓本席也知道好 謝偉我們跟交通部研擬一下整個樣態然後我們有對策的部分跟委員會報告好 謝謝再麻煩一個月內回覆\n","txt":"主席謝謝麻煩請內政部次長還有警政署跟移民署署長麻煩次長、署長好謝謝\n市長我先表揚一下本席的選區林口上個禮拜也我們中校派出所所長成功攔貨一個馬來西亞籍的車手那追回了賬款那我知道這段時間這個詐騙氾濫程度可是我們第一線的員警其實都非常的辛苦那我常講是說要源頭管理那還有就是說我們看到問題來解決問題\n但到目前為止一月到八月的時候有多少的外籍人士因為詐騙的相關案件被逮捕我想我們有這個相關的搜尋統計的資料來沒關係我們直接秀出來\n這個是刑事警察局這邊的一個統計那其中詐騙詐欺的部分在113年1月到8月已經有761案那比過去幾年都還要來得高那去年是921案但是回推下來還有三分之一左右的一個時間所以說今年有可能外籍人士會破千案嘛\n那在在就是看到說有外籍人士當然我還是強調99%我認為說外籍人士願意來到台灣生活不管是新住民不管是來求學我想都是利益良善也都希望是能夠跟台灣共榮共存共好可是有人還是會有這個專漏洞的一個情況我想這也是為什麼我們召委今天排這個專案報告那另外我看到另外一個數據是下一頁\n113年跟112年謊稱代辦貸款的詐騙數據這也是之前我跟刑事警察局要的資料成長的比例讓我覺得更訝異\n去年同時間800多件但今年同時間有到2100多件暴增了所以換言之不管是外籍人士也好或是說本國的這個詐騙案件我們不是說一直在防範詐騙打擊詐騙但為什麼感覺越打越詐到底發生了什麼事情是不是簡要說明一下\n謝謝委員我想外籍人士的部分一方面就是說我們現在義後觀光的部分復甦所以有蠻多的這個外籍人士他是持這個觀光簽證到臺灣那我們就有發現這所謂的假觀光真詐騙的這種行為所以在這個部分我們也跟包括交通部\n還有這個外交部我們在研擬就對某一些風險比較高的國家的觀光客我們要不要採取一些其他的管制措施這個部分還在討論我可以請教一下都是那個國籍東南亞國家還是免簽的國家以免簽的國家為主最近我們有放寬幾個免簽的國家\n這個部分我們也在尋求就是說該國的駐台的單位跟我們一起來討論這個對策那這個部分我們可能有一些比較細節的部分我們會後可以再跟委員報告但什麼時候因為我們現在已經看到問題了不管是數字層面統計層面這都是我們刑事警察局統計的嘛那什麼時候能夠把辦法給拿出來\n你剛也講跟外交部跟交通部那什麼時候有一個具體明確的不管是改善也好、政策也好、調整也好來跟委包我們希望年底之前我們能夠有個對策\n年底之前會提出對策因為我們已經開過兩次會另外本席有關注到一個案件我想也利用這個機會兩位署長也都在我先請教現在外籍人士是不是在台灣可以購買這個所謂的摩托車或是微型電動車而且不需要雇主證明對不對\n確定啦 這個不是陷阱題現在外籍人士在台灣可以購買微型機車跟微型電動車不用附上雇主證明但是我們有沒有限制兩個部分因為我知道交通部今天沒有來但是我提出來因為這個是最近本席聽到我們基層員警有反應的我們有沒有限制外籍人士他一個人可以購買多少台摩托車或他名下可以登記多少台摩托車\n移民署這就跟你有相關了吧\n如果是這個部分還是要財稅單位有通知我們的話我們就會選擇有可能沒有通知所以說他今天你今天外籍人士要離開他拿其他國家的護照要離開我們的國門的時候我們不知道說他到底有沒有繳清我們台灣的交通罰款我們有沒有繳清我們相關的一些\n如果說他不是刑事案件的話是不是他就可以直接離開也沒有任何記錄如果沒有記錄的話沒有禁止出現的話的確是可以本席現在提出一個很嚴重的狀況這也是基層員警告訴我就是說外籍人士現在有一些不肖業者他就直接去找外籍人士去\n人頭也好或說去用什麼樣他就等於一個外籍人士他下面可能登記了三四十台摩托車他都用他的身份證件去購買機車購買機車完之後行照掛在這個外籍人士身上但是用的可能是其他人去用\n那造成說如果這一台摩托車他去外面闖紅燈被開單罰款也是罰單也是寄到這一個人來可是這一個人也許三個月到期了他就要回他的國家了他就離境那這個罰單就不知道找誰了\n那還有這只是一般的正常違規情況如果說有肇事假設他騎著這台摩托車撞到人肇事但他逃逸他當場沒有被攔下來他就駕駛者就離開了警方來巡訊追蹤也只能追蹤到登記他名下的但這一個外籍人士有可能出境了\n所以這跟什麼這跟本席聽到這跟假車牌有一點點類似但又不完全因為他是真車牌只是他的車牌全部都登記在同一個人的名下那那個人可能就變成是人頭他可能有不肖業者他就去找快要離開的最後半年最後三個月要離開台灣了\n那他就跟他收購我可能一台車一千塊一台車兩千塊還多少錢你就讓我登記反正我沒有登記上限所以會發生一個很荒謬的情況一個人他下面有三四十個車牌五六十個車牌的登記然後罰款沒繳他也離開我們出入境我們移民署沒有辦法攔截他這會是一個治安問題喔\n跟委員報告我們目前齁在這個外籍移工的部分如果他離境的話他的門號跟帳戶我們會跟金管會還有NCC會去做一個阻斷那委員剛剛提到是有關於車牌的部分我們會跟交通部討論就是說我們先了解一下他那個樣態還有剛剛委員提到一個人他到底身上掛了幾台車\n我們說現在可以讓他不用付雇主證明他就可以買車這個尊重人權我們沒有意見但是他理論上來講一個人就一台摩托車嘛頂多兩台嘛但他如果說一個人他名下有50台、30台那就明顯不合理啊\n郭台銘來他也不會騎那種摩托車啊對不對所以這樣子一個樣態他就會是犯罪溫藏有可能他不是自己用而是給別人用那就會產生我剛剛提出來的這個問題我想這個部分連帶的因為會這樣做的人不是一個常態他有可能就有一些犯罪有可能他又變車手車手的車牌車手的交通工具然後再去做詐騙\n緩緩相扣。」我想我點到這邊你們這些就是有偵查經驗的人應該比我更了解這個是一個破口請一定要防堵好嗎那一個月內也給本席針對這個部分做什麼樣的一個因應措施是不是讓本席也知道好 謝偉我們跟交通部研擬一下整個樣態然後我們有對策的部分跟委員會報告好 謝謝再麻煩一個月內回覆\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.842 --> 00:10.444\n主席謝謝麻煩請內政部次長還有警政署跟移民署署長麻煩次長、署長好謝謝\n\n00:18.343 --> 00:42.316\n市長我先表揚一下本席的選區林口上個禮拜也我們中校派出所所長成功攔貨一個馬來西亞籍的車手那追回了賬款那我知道這段時間這個詐騙氾濫程度可是我們第一線的員警其實都非常的辛苦那我常講是說要源頭管理那還有就是說我們看到問題來解決問題\n\n00:43.897 --> 00:56.747\n但到目前為止一月到八月的時候有多少的外籍人士因為詐騙的相關案件被逮捕我想我們有這個相關的搜尋統計的資料來沒關係我們直接秀出來\n\n00:58.523 --> 01:21.676\n這個是刑事警察局這邊的一個統計那其中詐騙詐欺的部分在113年1月到8月已經有761案那比過去幾年都還要來得高那去年是921案但是回推下來還有三分之一左右的一個時間所以說今年有可能外籍人士會破千案嘛\n\n01:22.156 --> 01:49.473\n那在在就是看到說有外籍人士當然我還是強調99%我認為說外籍人士願意來到台灣生活不管是新住民不管是來求學我想都是利益良善也都希望是能夠跟台灣共榮共存共好可是有人還是會有這個專漏洞的一個情況我想這也是為什麼我們召委今天排這個專案報告那另外我看到另外一個數據是下一頁\n\n01:51.797 --> 02:01.544\n113年跟112年謊稱代辦貸款的詐騙數據這也是之前我跟刑事警察局要的資料成長的比例讓我覺得更訝異\n\n02:03.877 --> 02:23.187\n去年同時間800多件但今年同時間有到2100多件暴增了所以換言之不管是外籍人士也好或是說本國的這個詐騙案件我們不是說一直在防範詐騙打擊詐騙但為什麼感覺越打越詐到底發生了什麼事情是不是簡要說明一下\n\n02:25.503 --> 02:46.448\n謝謝委員我想外籍人士的部分一方面就是說我們現在義後觀光的部分復甦所以有蠻多的這個外籍人士他是持這個觀光簽證到臺灣那我們就有發現這所謂的假觀光真詐騙的這種行為所以在這個部分我們也跟包括交通部\n\n02:47.188 --> 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