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00:02:09,799\n那因為這個部分就是說他我們有幾個執法那這個七個執法我們就是陸陸續續的在訂定那其中針對網路廣告平台的業者的部分那是要求他們要提出就是在台灣的這個代理人的部分對法律代表人對那他們目前都已經提出都已經提出是那我們在審理中在審理中是\n\n6\n00:02:11,260 --> 00:02:37,160\n那這個流程你預估大概什麼時候可以正式完成因為大家期待非常的高是那目前就是我們這個禮拜五我們會做一個審查第一次審查會議禮拜五明天第一次審查會議對然後確認完了以後呢就是其實我們是雙向進行就是他的代理人就是審查然後還有一部分就是說還是競速的要求他們\n\n7\n00:02:37,860 --> 00:02:55,852\n把他們的一些就是怎麼去改善的部分去做一個處理對那請教你們的KPI指標的日期大概是什麼多久時間我們目前是目前已知就是說各家的業者他12月底之前一定都會都會完成\n\n8\n00:02:57,333 --> 00:03:15,246\n就是實名制就是廣告業者然後針對廣告平台的部分他們的實名制的部分他們年底之前一定都會完成那我們今天收到最新的訊息是Google它已經執行了\n\n9\n00:03:15,786 --> 00:03:16,466\n英國2023年通過《線上安全法》\n\n10\n00:03:35,912 --> 00:03:51,941\n他們會要求社群的媒體以及搜尋引擎的平台如果有不法必須依法迅速移除這些內容不得透過這種演算法去退波這是非常重要如果沒有配合封鎖的觸及到處罰的網站\n\n11\n00:03:57,944 --> 00:04:16,583\n他呢可以裁處喔他是裁處其全球年營業額10%的這個罰款也就是因為這樣子英國敢罰所以他們的效果真的呈現所以我再次請教我們書法部你會不會會不會有沒有這個開罰的決心\n\n12\n00:04:19,966 --> 00:04:43,018\n如果說他們有違法的話,我們一定會移送減掉的部分,沒有問題。一定是開罰的決心嘛,是嗎?是,是。好,那也就是說你們既然法也有了,而且執行資了,也有上方保健了,那在這樣的情況下,你預期,你們預期,是不是明年我們的這個,這個被打詐的金額會下降?\n\n13\n00:04:43,698 --> 00:05:00,315\n你們的預估呢?預期效果我們的預估就是明年就是各個部會合作之下明年的打詐一定會金額跟數量一定會往下掉一定會往下降我也勉勵之加油接下來我請司法跟法務部\n\n14\n00:05:01,596 --> 00:05:21,368\n那因為過去有重大的詐欺犯如藍道等被披露但是因為他的共犯底下會一案接一案所以在這樣的情況之下呢但是我們很努力在抓可是到最後呢都是怎麼樣侵犯甚至緩刑\n\n15\n00:05:22,688 --> 00:05:42,540\n甚至有一天就不用關啊一天也不用關就緩刑在這樣的一個情況之下他得以持續的再犯持續的再犯那今年更有出現了洗錢90億的這個詐團共犯那也只有判了6個月到1年不等結果全部緩刑4年\n\n16\n00:05:43,905 --> 00:06:08,865\n引起社會的嘩然在這樣的情況之下可以說我國的法則並不是說清但是問題是出在審判實務上詐欺侵犯侵犯的例子讓他可以在社會上不斷的來串流那這怎麼辦呢所以本席要請教我們要怎麼改進我們要怎麼改進\n\n17\n00:06:11,277 --> 00:06:38,163\n你抓到了你一樣啊就是只有緩刑啊那緩刑他還是一樣繼續騙啊那民眾繼續糟糕啊那怎麼辦我們會因為打詐狀況已經過了齁那我們本部呢原理就是就是對高額詐欺跟複合的詐欺的刑度這部分已經生效了那我們這花行齁我們韓美各檢察機關對重大詐欺的一個犯罪齁\n\n18\n00:06:38,983 --> 00:06:49,714\n要具體求刑打詐專法50條要具體求刑具體求刑那43條44條那個也都是有比較加重或者有提高的一個刑度比那個刑罰30條就依照打詐專法對我們會具體求刑因為現在輕判的問題的確是\n\n19\n00:06:56,080 --> 00:07:09,811\n有比較這個要請那個司法院來回答那我想我們這邊如果說有輕判的話所以你已經發案通令法務部那個給各檢察機關各檢察機關如果說有輕判的話我們也希望就是說請檢察官提起上訴好我們請司法院\n\n20\n00:07:11,464 --> 00:07:39,828\n國約好關於這部分有關加重詐欺的量刑部分我們最近才有針對電信詐欺的部分有做一個量刑的斟酌事項請各法院能斟酌量刑這部分我們一直有做一些量刑工具的研擬那也希望法院我們也宣導法院在量刑的時候要做妥適量刑的回覆社會對法院對所謂的詐欺案件的厭惡跟期待這部分我們會持續再努力好那我最後請內政部\n\n21\n00:07:44,147 --> 00:08:12,727\n如果相關單位我講青少年的議題我們就針對因為現在這個問題很困擾的所有的家長青少年涉詐的人數攀升我們的政府應該要去重視我們看到在2017年首度超過1萬人全國青少年詐騙人數這太恐怖了那所以從2019年到2022年每年至少都是9000人以上\n\n22\n00:08:13,527 --> 00:08:34,876\n都是9000人以上這個是統計數字告訴我們但是如果這個是險性隱性再加進來那更恐怖涉詐的人從12歲到18歲的少年那一直在增加而且是兩成的比例在增加所以本席要請教政府對於青少年的這個涉詐\n\n23\n00:08:36,294 --> 00:09:01,014\n你這個涉嫌你要怎麼樣去防範要怎麼樣錯失那同時在我們整個求職詐騙人就非常的多孩子畢業之後他要去求職結果就被這個求職詐騙了這個真是苦不堪言在這樣的情況之下包括了求職網站、APP政府你要怎麼樣有效的去宣導先從內政部說一下吧\n\n24\n00:09:01,564 --> 00:09:23,856\n好謝謝委員我想這個青少年社詐的問題我們很頭痛因為通常犯罪集團你很頭痛讓我們社會不知道該怎麼辦你要拿出方案啦我們犯罪集團就是他會利用這個青少年本身他未滿18歲然後有恃無恐這樣的一個心態然後來誘使他犯罪這個大家都知道你要怎麼應對\n\n25\n00:09:24,696 --> 00:09:45,275\n我們現在做法有幾個第一個就是學校端的部分我們目前跟學校端在做這個所謂的法治教育這是第一個那第二個就是說在家庭的部分目前我們在整個追究這個青少年色詐的犯罪的部分我們會去連帶的去追究這個家長的責任這個在家庭的部分我們會要求連帶家長的責任再來就是說\n\n26\n00:09:48,318 --> 00:10:06,658\n在打詐四法通過之後,包括速發布,對於詐騙廣告的攬阻,尤其是在求職廣告、打工廣告的部分,我們希望能夠透過在網路上面能夠把這個東西阻絕掉,讓青少年能夠步入正軌。另外,也有跟委員在補充就是說,教育部那邊我們也會跟他們合作,\n\n27\n00:10:07,759 --> 00:10:34,990\n正常的打工正常的這樣的一個青少年的求職的部分來合作讓他們能夠找到正當的管道而不是透過這個謝謝內政部我想這是橫跨不管是勞動部不管是教育部我希望把你剛剛所說的精進方案你整理一個方案給本席因為連你都說頭痛那我們的民眾家長不知道該怎麼辦好不好你多久時間可以整理一個你們精進方案給本席\n\n28\n00:10:35,871 --> 00:10:39,620\n報告委我們行政院的打詐指揮中心我們一個月之內整理給委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3095\t3335\t打詐阻詐\n23457\t50589\t網路平臺那我們的社群未來要怎麼樣來協助那我們的打詐專訪規定法案規定的一定的規模的網路廣告平臺業者需要在臺指定法律的代表因為以往我們怎麼罰都罰不到所以在這樣的情況之下我們終於打詐專法出來了那並且他必須要在臺灣指定法律代表\n51529\t78120\t並且要配合主管機關停止播放詐騙的廣告違反情節重大者最高可處一億元以下書發部終於在9月份的時候來公布打詐專法納管的平台包括本席所說的這些各大平台都納在這裡面所以本席要請教我們有沒有這個決心\n79921\t105846\t我們有沒有這個決心要做如果有不法的時候也必須要做開罰的動作而且我們的預期效益你認為會如何來謝謝委員針對這個打詐專法的部分其實就是立法院通過以後其實我們在執行上面就是比較容易那這個其實非常謝謝委員已經給你上方保健要怎麼做\n106286\t129799\t那因為這個部分就是說他我們有幾個執法那這個七個執法我們就是陸陸續續的在訂定那其中針對網路廣告平台的業者的部分那是要求他們要提出就是在台灣的這個代理人的部分對 法律代表人對 那他們目前都已經提出都已經提出是 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打詐專法50條要具體求刑具體求刑那43條44條那個也都是有比較加重或者有提高的一個刑度比那個刑罰30條就依照打詐專法對我們會具體求刑因為現在輕判的問題的確是\n416080\t429811\t有比較 這個要請那個司法院來回答那我想我們這邊如果說有輕判的話所以你已經發案通令 法務部那個給各檢察機關 各檢察機關如果說有輕判的話我們也希望就是說請檢察官提起上訴好 我們請司法院\n431464\t459828\t國約好關於這部分有關加重詐欺的量刑部分我們最近才有針對電信詐欺的部分有做一個量刑的斟酌事項請各法院能斟酌量刑這部分我們一直有做一些量刑工具的研擬那也希望法院我們也宣導法院在量刑的時候要做妥適量刑的回覆社會對法院對所謂的詐欺案件的厭惡跟期待這部分我們會持續再努力好 那我最後請內政部\n464147\t492727\t如果相關單位我講青少年的議題我們就針對因為現在這個問題很困擾的所有的家長青少年涉詐的人數攀升我們的政府應該要去重視我們看到在2017年首度超過1萬人全國青少年詐騙人數這太恐怖了那所以從2019年到2022年每年至少都是9000人以上\n493527\t514876\t都是9000人以上 這個是統計數字告訴我們但是 如果這個是險性隱性再加進來 那更恐怖涉詐的人 從12歲到18歲的少年那 一直在增加而且是兩成的比例在增加所以本席要請教 政府對於青少年的這個涉詐\n516294\t541014\t你這個涉嫌你要怎麼樣去防範要怎麼樣錯失那同時在我們整個求職詐騙人就非常的多孩子畢業之後他要去求職結果就被這個求職詐騙了這個真是苦不堪言在這樣的情況之下包括了求職網站、APP政府你要怎麼樣有效的去宣導先從內政部說一下吧\n541564\t563856\t好 謝謝委員我想這個青少年社詐的問題我們很頭痛因為通常犯罪集團你很頭痛讓我們社會不知道該怎麼辦你要拿出方案啦我們犯罪集團就是他會利用這個青少年本身他未滿18歲然後有恃無恐這樣的一個心態然後來誘使他犯罪這個大家都知道你要怎麼應對\n564696\t585275\t我們現在做法有幾個第一個就是學校端的部分我們目前跟學校端在做這個所謂的法治教育這是第一個那第二個就是說在家庭的部分目前我們在整個追究這個青少年色詐的犯罪的部分我們會去連帶的去追究這個家長的責任這個在家庭的部分我們會要求連帶家長的責任再來就是說\n588318\t606658\t在打詐四法通過之後,包括速發布,對於詐騙廣告的攬阻,尤其是在求職廣告、打工廣告的部分,我們希望能夠透過在網路上面能夠把這個東西阻絕掉,讓青少年能夠步入正軌。另外,也有跟委員在補充就是說,教育部那邊我們也會跟他們合作,\n607759\t634990\t正常的打工正常的這樣的一個青少年的求職的部分來合作讓他們能夠找到正當的管道而不是透過這個謝謝內政部我想這是橫跨不管是勞動部不管是教育部我希望把你剛剛所說的精進方案你整理一個方案給本席因為連你都說頭痛那我們的民眾家長不知道該怎麼辦好不好你多久時間可以整理一個你們精進方案給本席\n635871\t639620\t報告委我們行政院的打詐指揮中心我們一個月之內整理給委員\n","txt":"打詐阻詐\n網路平臺那我們的社群未來要怎麼樣來協助那我們的打詐專訪規定法案規定的一定的規模的網路廣告平臺業者需要在臺指定法律的代表因為以往我們怎麼罰都罰不到所以在這樣的情況之下我們終於打詐專法出來了那並且他必須要在臺灣指定法律代表\n並且要配合主管機關停止播放詐騙的廣告違反情節重大者最高可處一億元以下書發部終於在9月份的時候來公布打詐專法納管的平台包括本席所說的這些各大平台都納在這裡面所以本席要請教我們有沒有這個決心\n我們有沒有這個決心要做如果有不法的時候也必須要做開罰的動作而且我們的預期效益你認為會如何來謝謝委員針對這個打詐專法的部分其實就是立法院通過以後其實我們在執行上面就是比較容易那這個其實非常謝謝委員已經給你上方保健要怎麼做\n那因為這個部分就是說他我們有幾個執法那這個七個執法我們就是陸陸續續的在訂定那其中針對網路廣告平台的業者的部分那是要求他們要提出就是在台灣的這個代理人的部分對 法律代表人對 那他們目前都已經提出都已經提出是 那我們在審理中在審理中是\n那這個流程你預估大概什麼時候可以正式完成因為大家期待非常的高是那目前就是我們這個禮拜五我們會做一個審查第一次審查會議禮拜五明天第一次審查會議對然後確認完了以後呢就是其實我們是雙向進行就是他的代理人就是審查然後還有一部分就是說還是競速的要求他們\n把他們的一些就是怎麼去改善的部分去做一個處理對那請教你們的KPI指標的日期大概是什麼多久時間我們目前是目前已知就是說各家的業者他12月底之前一定都會都會完成\n就是實名制就是廣告業者然後針對廣告平台的部分他們的實名制的部分他們年底之前一定都會完成那我們今天收到最新的訊息是Google它已經執行了\n英國2023年通過《線上安全法》\n他們會要求社群的媒體以及搜尋引擎的平台如果有不法必須依法迅速移除這些內容不得透過這種演算法去退波這是非常重要如果沒有配合封鎖的觸及到處罰的網站\n他呢可以裁處喔他是裁處其全球年營業額10%的這個罰款也就是因為這樣子英國敢罰所以他們的效果真的呈現所以我再次請教我們書法部你會不會會不會有沒有這個開罰的決心\n如果說他們有違法的話,我們一定會移送減掉的部分,沒有問題。一定是開罰的決心嘛,是嗎?是,是。好,那也就是說你們既然法也有了,而且執行資了,也有上方保健了,那在這樣的情況下,你預期,你們預期,是不是明年我們的這個,這個被打詐的金額會下降?\n你們的預估呢?預期效果我們的預估就是明年就是各個部會合作之下明年的打詐一定會金額跟數量一定會往下掉一定會往下降我也勉勵之加油接下來我請司法跟法務部\n那因為過去有重大的詐欺犯如藍道等被披露但是因為他的共犯底下會一案接一案所以在這樣的情況之下呢但是我們很努力在抓可是到最後呢都是怎麼樣侵犯甚至緩刑\n甚至有一天就不用關啊一天也不用關就緩刑在這樣的一個情況之下他得以持續的再犯持續的再犯那今年更有出現了洗錢90億的這個詐團共犯那也只有判了6個月到1年不等結果全部緩刑4年\n引起社會的嘩然在這樣的情況之下可以說我國的法則並不是說清但是問題是出在審判實務上詐欺侵犯侵犯的例子讓他可以在社會上不斷的來串流那這怎麼辦呢所以本席要請教我們要怎麼改進我們要怎麼改進\n你抓到了你一樣啊就是只有緩刑啊那緩刑他還是一樣繼續騙啊那民眾繼續糟糕啊那怎麼辦我們會因為打詐狀況已經過了齁那我們本部呢原理就是就是對高額詐欺跟複合的詐欺的刑度這部分已經生效了那我們這花行齁我們韓美各檢察機關對重大詐欺的一個犯罪齁\n要具體求刑 打詐專法50條要具體求刑具體求刑那43條44條那個也都是有比較加重或者有提高的一個刑度比那個刑罰30條就依照打詐專法對我們會具體求刑因為現在輕判的問題的確是\n有比較 這個要請那個司法院來回答那我想我們這邊如果說有輕判的話所以你已經發案通令 法務部那個給各檢察機關 各檢察機關如果說有輕判的話我們也希望就是說請檢察官提起上訴好 我們請司法院\n國約好關於這部分有關加重詐欺的量刑部分我們最近才有針對電信詐欺的部分有做一個量刑的斟酌事項請各法院能斟酌量刑這部分我們一直有做一些量刑工具的研擬那也希望法院我們也宣導法院在量刑的時候要做妥適量刑的回覆社會對法院對所謂的詐欺案件的厭惡跟期待這部分我們會持續再努力好 那我最後請內政部\n如果相關單位我講青少年的議題我們就針對因為現在這個問題很困擾的所有的家長青少年涉詐的人數攀升我們的政府應該要去重視我們看到在2017年首度超過1萬人全國青少年詐騙人數這太恐怖了那所以從2019年到2022年每年至少都是9000人以上\n都是9000人以上 這個是統計數字告訴我們但是 如果這個是險性隱性再加進來 那更恐怖涉詐的人 從12歲到18歲的少年那 一直在增加而且是兩成的比例在增加所以本席要請教 政府對於青少年的這個涉詐\n你這個涉嫌你要怎麼樣去防範要怎麼樣錯失那同時在我們整個求職詐騙人就非常的多孩子畢業之後他要去求職結果就被這個求職詐騙了這個真是苦不堪言在這樣的情況之下包括了求職網站、APP政府你要怎麼樣有效的去宣導先從內政部說一下吧\n好 謝謝委員我想這個青少年社詐的問題我們很頭痛因為通常犯罪集團你很頭痛讓我們社會不知道該怎麼辦你要拿出方案啦我們犯罪集團就是他會利用這個青少年本身他未滿18歲然後有恃無恐這樣的一個心態然後來誘使他犯罪這個大家都知道你要怎麼應對\n我們現在做法有幾個第一個就是學校端的部分我們目前跟學校端在做這個所謂的法治教育這是第一個那第二個就是說在家庭的部分目前我們在整個追究這個青少年色詐的犯罪的部分我們會去連帶的去追究這個家長的責任這個在家庭的部分我們會要求連帶家長的責任再來就是說\n在打詐四法通過之後,包括速發布,對於詐騙廣告的攬阻,尤其是在求職廣告、打工廣告的部分,我們希望能夠透過在網路上面能夠把這個東西阻絕掉,讓青少年能夠步入正軌。另外,也有跟委員在補充就是說,教育部那邊我們也會跟他們合作,\n正常的打工正常的這樣的一個青少年的求職的部分來合作讓他們能夠找到正當的管道而不是透過這個謝謝內政部我想這是橫跨不管是勞動部不管是教育部我希望把你剛剛所說的精進方案你整理一個方案給本席因為連你都說頭痛那我們的民眾家長不知道該怎麼辦好不好你多久時間可以整理一個你們精進方案給本席\n報告委我們行政院的打詐指揮中心我們一個月之內整理給委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.095 --> 00:03.335\n打詐阻詐\n\n00:23.457 --> 00:50.589\n網路平臺那我們的社群未來要怎麼樣來協助那我們的打詐專訪規定法案規定的一定的規模的網路廣告平臺業者需要在臺指定法律的代表因為以往我們怎麼罰都罰不到所以在這樣的情況之下我們終於打詐專法出來了那並且他必須要在臺灣指定法律代表\n\n00:51.529 --> 01:18.120\n並且要配合主管機關停止播放詐騙的廣告違反情節重大者最高可處一億元以下書發部終於在9月份的時候來公布打詐專法納管的平台包括本席所說的這些各大平台都納在這裡面所以本席要請教我們有沒有這個決心\n\n01:19.921 --> 01:45.846\n我們有沒有這個決心要做如果有不法的時候也必須要做開罰的動作而且我們的預期效益你認為會如何來謝謝委員針對這個打詐專法的部分其實就是立法院通過以後其實我們在執行上面就是比較容易那這個其實非常謝謝委員已經給你上方保健要怎麼做\n\n01:46.286 --> 02:09.799\n那因為這個部分就是說他我們有幾個執法那這個七個執法我們就是陸陸續續的在訂定那其中針對網路廣告平台的業者的部分那是要求他們要提出就是在台灣的這個代理人的部分對法律代表人對那他們目前都已經提出都已經提出是那我們在審理中在審理中是\n\n02:11.260 --> 02:37.160\n那這個流程你預估大概什麼時候可以正式完成因為大家期待非常的高是那目前就是我們這個禮拜五我們會做一個審查第一次審查會議禮拜五明天第一次審查會議對然後確認完了以後呢就是其實我們是雙向進行就是他的代理人就是審查然後還有一部分就是說還是競速的要求他們\n\n02:37.860 --> 02:55.852\n把他們的一些就是怎麼去改善的部分去做一個處理對那請教你們的KPI指標的日期大概是什麼多久時間我們目前是目前已知就是說各家的業者他12月底之前一定都會都會完成\n\n02:57.333 --> 03:15.246\n就是實名制就是廣告業者然後針對廣告平台的部分他們的實名制的部分他們年底之前一定都會完成那我們今天收到最新的訊息是Google它已經執行了\n\n03:15.786 --> 03:16.466\n英國2023年通過《線上安全法》\n\n03:35.912 --> 03:51.941\n他們會要求社群的媒體以及搜尋引擎的平台如果有不法必須依法迅速移除這些內容不得透過這種演算法去退波這是非常重要如果沒有配合封鎖的觸及到處罰的網站\n\n03:57.944 --> 04:16.583\n他呢可以裁處喔他是裁處其全球年營業額10%的這個罰款也就是因為這樣子英國敢罰所以他們的效果真的呈現所以我再次請教我們書法部你會不會會不會有沒有這個開罰的決心\n\n04:19.966 --> 04:43.018\n如果說他們有違法的話,我們一定會移送減掉的部分,沒有問題。一定是開罰的決心嘛,是嗎?是,是。好,那也就是說你們既然法也有了,而且執行資了,也有上方保健了,那在這樣的情況下,你預期,你們預期,是不是明年我們的這個,這個被打詐的金額會下降?\n\n04:43.698 --> 05:00.315\n你們的預估呢?預期效果我們的預估就是明年就是各個部會合作之下明年的打詐一定會金額跟數量一定會往下掉一定會往下降我也勉勵之加油接下來我請司法跟法務部\n\n05:01.596 --> 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