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00:00:45,186\n那10週年這件事情我覺得非常的重要因為我們其實在這10年當中我們從公部門或者是私立的機關民間單位我們做了非常多的努力想要讓更多人認識兒少公約很可惜部長你知道嗎昨天我們雖然在內政委員會奮戰一整天勞動部這邊也很忙昨天其實是國際兒童人權日\n\n3\n00:00:46,286 --> 00:01:00,598\n我們看了衛福部的相關新聞發現只有一些地方政府的活動還有衛福部的部堂醫院但是我認為衛福部作為兒少主管機關CRC的主管機關也是兒少法主管機關卻沒有更積極的作為或者是活動我認為我們應該要做更多的事情請\n\n4\n00:01:06,178 --> 00:01:24,023\n衛福部要積極把兒少相關權益放在心上好嗎好好的好這個我想不是只有活動啦部長不要誤會我的意思是說透過這些活動展現我們真的作為衛福部作為兒少主管機關很重要的決心我們來看幾個題目第一個我從2023年地府上任之後我們一直在問裁罰的問題\n\n5\n00:01:25,663 --> 00:01:29,850\n左手邊紅色的字是我們發現的問題就是跨部會通報的問題採訪的問題幼少法還有幼教法的採訪的方法很複雜還有中央地方的公告沒有同步我們辦公室花了很多的時間一直在跟衛福部討論\n\n6\n00:01:41,007 --> 00:01:57,214\n感謝到了右邊黑色這一塊2024年總算有些進展有了初步的改善我認為這邊要給衛福部的同仁肯定可是其實還是有很多問題沒有解決例如說右邊的紅色下面這邊而上法裁罰公告遭到地方下架的問題\n\n7\n00:01:58,915 --> 00:02:21,453\n這個還是沒有解決而少法裁罰沒有辦法即時執行跟公告造成行為人得以利用空窗期繼續對小孩做壞事剛剛老林在旁邊點頭了這個依然沒有解決也就是說我身為一個小孩的家長我其實沒有辦法透過衛福部的平台知道我馬上要把小孩送去的這個營隊的主辦人或相關教練的老師是不是而少法裁處的對象\n\n8\n00:02:22,754 --> 00:02:43,415\n如果他曾經有被臺北市政府或新北市政府公告但是因為沒有相關法源依據他的名字就會下架了所以我的小孩還是可能被送去這樣的地方上課我認為對於現在的父母親來說每個孩子真的都是寶貝但如果你們要告訴我只要回到兒少法修正才有法源依據那我就要問我們兒少法什麼時候可以修\n\n9\n00:02:44,946 --> 00:03:11,381\n好謝謝委員的關心而上我想我們一起在努力那這個問題是不是那但是因為他需要法規範嘛對不對應該說目前沒有說公告多久照理說他可以辭去公告可是地方政府就下架啦對那我們之後我們會把這個勾擊的部分或者是跟縣市怎麼樣跟中央對接的部分再來做處理這沒有涉及修法的問題好那空窗的部分呢空窗期的部分呢\n\n10\n00:03:12,548 --> 00:03:12,889\n李慧琼議員\n\n11\n00:03:42,468 --> 00:03:43,569\n委員會主管委員會主管委員會主管委員會主管委員會\n\n12\n00:04:04,605 --> 00:04:30,977\n好不好我們會再積極的跟你們討論那接下來看一下衛福部現在今年的預算其實我或者是范雲委員都問過衛福部關於兒少教練證的事情在總質詢的時候也花了很長的篇幅跟部長您討論但是我目前在衛福部114年度的預算規劃中都沒有看到兒少規劃證更不要講相關政策就連前期規劃研議都沒有看到我想問一下衛福部對於兒少工作證這件事情的態度跟進度\n\n13\n00:04:32,337 --> 00:04:53,477\n跟委員報告這個我們跟人本開過會是這上目前70%都可以在相關系統就是這個這個不是任人員的這個系統裡頭去勾結沒有問題那還有大概20%到30%左右的就是這些教練比較特殊行業的那這個部分的確我們那時候也跟這個人本說明\n\n14\n00:04:53,677 --> 00:04:53,917\n李慧琼議員\n\n15\n00:05:04,310 --> 00:05:28,178\n就是我的最後一張投影片而憲法的部分我們現在我們內部的初步的草案已經整理到一定的程度那時間如果來得及我們希望在今年底之前能夠拿出來預告什麼時候的年底今年底前今年年底今年年底前我們可以開始預計今年底前應該是可以預告然後跟徵求各所有外界所有的意見並且進行進一步的討論今年年底前可以公告\n\n16\n00:05:30,755 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