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00:02:23,224\n一百一十二年的強盜結合家辱人勒俗的結合罪11人,但是重大貪污有15人,是不是這樣子?但是有沒有評估未來總收案量會成長多少?法院人力充不充足?有沒有評估過?我們在一一五年要開始擴大。\n\n7\n00:02:26,087 --> 00:02:27,048\n審理法律審理法律審理法律審理法律審理法律\n\n8\n00:02:55,987 --> 00:02:58,030\n重大貪污案件適用國民法官法嗎?例如說違背職務\n\n9\n00:03:07,014 --> 00:03:12,318\n稅務行政事件審理法草案案案件情節繁雜或需高度專業知識非經長久時日顯然完成審判者。」請問副秘書長為什麼要加上這一款?為什麼國民法官法要避免這種情節繁雜要長久時日?\n\n10\n00:03:33,223 --> 00:03:50,874\n委員報告齁,因為那個國民,一般的國民參與的這些案件齁,第一個,他只能在很……比如說在兩週內要讓國民法官完成。對對對,那他沒有辦法像一般的法官這樣,可以一年兩年,一年兩年再審判子。\n\n11\n00:03:51,454 --> 00:04:17,871\n所以根據這樣子,去年根據複雜條款裁定不行使國民參審審判的有28件申請,其中複雜案件13件,那麼准以15件,複雜案件6件,差不多複雜案件有一半是准以不交由國民法官參與嘛,對不對?好,那請問一下複雜性條款,有沒有不複雜的貪污案?剛剛講到我們這個重大貪污案適用國民法官法,但是有沒有不複雜的貪污案?\n\n12\n00:04:19,673 --> 00:04:20,474\n最近大家最熱門的\n\n13\n00:04:36,684 --> 00:04:49,856\n金華城案,你看看,單單看這個人物關係跟金流圖啊,你看有多少的前市長、前市議員、企業家被告。事案行為至少從4年前開始,還有疑似匯款流入基金會、黨部及政治先進專戶,這個案子複複複雜。\n\n14\n00:04:53,615 --> 00:05:16,157\n和委員報告,當然有相當的這些複雜度,但是跟委員報告,也不是說有複雜法官那個申請說不行國民審判,法官就會准,法官就只要是…沒錯,好,那麼看一下這個是還在進行中的,我們看已經針截了,重大貪官適用國民法官法會有什麼問題?貪官的特質,涉案人數眾多,金流複雜,被告不認罪,你看,禪送12年,南投前縣長啊,\n\n15\n00:05:17,358 --> 00:05:25,464\n李朝卿收回扣111件罪全部定案累計刑期達超過400年。」李朝卿案恐怕我們想國民法官沒辦法銷售啊。\n\n16\n00:05:52,682 --> 00:06:11,038\n財刑國民法案制度就是要集中審理,有些時候會拖久,就是因為集中審理沒有辦法落實貫徹,那這也是國民法案的製度。我們來看一下還有什麼其他的考量,來下一頁。遇到有社會矚目的案件,如何維持國民法案的公正性?國民法案第14條。\n\n17\n00:06:12,419 --> 00:06:17,300\n包括總統、副總統、各級機關首長、政務人員、民意代表、政黨黨務工作人員。國民法第15條選任國民法官法,這些人不能參與,有具體事證足認其執行職務,有難其公正之語。小草集結北檢挺科這些人會不會落入到第15條第9款的項目當中呢?\n\n18\n00:06:42,093 --> 00:06:52,837\n如果我們這重大的社會矚目案件有這些人那你就說重大貪污看複雜程度不見得那你在選任國民法官的時候這些人你怎麼去篩選出來\n\n19\n00:06:56,500 --> 00:07:25,279\n委員報告喔,這個是不是符合這個去選任不適合擔任國民法官,其實要有具體的事證,而且在選任程序裡面,雙方都會去表示意見,那今天被告這邊表示意見,檢察官那一邊他可能會表示不適合這個意見,所以不見得...所以說我們現在談到了當15年擴大包括貪污案件要納入的時候,除了案件複雜之外,社會矚目的你在選任國民法官的時候,不只因為案件複雜,連選任的人員都要特別謹慎,對不對?\n\n20\n00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:34,252\n民嘴、網路、KOL、支持者,這些可以當任國民法官嗎?如果有足夠的事政,你們就可能要把他排除喔,是不是這樣?\n\n21\n00:07:36,929 --> 00:08:03,838\n在選任的程序裡面兩兆就會去表示意見那這一邊可能就認為說沒有達到那你要知道齁那這個時候兩邊裸裸有沒有要挑他就開始要求調錄影帶去北檢前面調北檢那時候的錄影帶看看哪些人曾經在裡面參與的是不是這樣子就看到我們在好萊塢電影上他們選任陪審團的時候啊就開始派出大量的人力去救可能被選出來當國民法官的他的過去的參與\n\n22\n00:08:04,938 --> 00:08:17,288\n是否有這種事證?這是一個龐大的工程,這個事情誰來把關?誰來把關?如果是在北院的話,是誰來把關?如果這個案子國審法,中華北院是誰來把關國民法官的選任?請王院長提供一下見解,因為未來你要擔任這個職務。\n\n23\n00:08:33,799 --> 00:09:01,607\n這個依法是由國民法官庭的審判長。國民法官庭的審判長嘛,所以很重要嘛。各位我們各個地院的院長喔,這個複雜度大約是好,往下一頁,來我們看一下。那其實我們更關心的不是這個,不是主卻,是要怎麼提升人民參與審判來強化司法信任度。我們1、2年應到的候選法官2352位,10到呢,不到一半。那1、1、3年的比率呢,到目前有沒有統計?\n\n24\n00:09:04,415 --> 00:09:16,285\n審查司法院函送財團法人法律扶助基金會114年度中央政府總預算案關於司法院函送財團法律扶助基金會114年度審查司法院函送財團法律扶助基金會114年度審查司法院函送財團法律扶助基金會114年度審查司法院函送財團法律\n\n25\n00:09:19,298 --> 00:09:22,683\n議員最高的是專業人士、軍公教跟學生,議員最低是家管、退休、無業跟勞力人員。為什麼會這樣子呢?有這樣的觀點嗎?我們再往下看。\n\n26\n00:09:37,202 --> 00:09:50,716\n其實營養參與委員的呢,他這裡的說法是說,因為可能學歷低者他比較擔心對日常生活及生計造成影響。像這些勞力人員啊、兼職人員啊,最怕這一點。那請問候選的法官僱主知道應該以公價併合領日費嗎?你們有去調查嗎?\n\n27\n00:09:53,905 --> 00:10:20,087\n你覺得是原因嗎?但影響生活經濟。我們這部分應該都有做相關的通知跟宣導,應該會知道。那未來的副部長要強化,要請司法院這邊強化各院的宣導。但是是不是真的是考慮說因為經濟生活,我們再往下看。很奇怪耶,從年齡來看,年齡越高,到場率越低啊。尤其是六、七十歲以上的到場率低於平均。這些人不都已經退休了嗎?\n\n28\n00:10:22,097 --> 00:10:51,050\n為什麼還會擔心他的經濟生活呢?是什麼原因造成年紀較長者他擔心去擔任國民法官呢?你們要去深入探究原因,可以嗎?這一點我特別提出來,再往下看所以候選的國民法官魏道廷將開法你看我這裡給你看教召我們當兵教召魏豹島將有刑事責任但是你們的國民法官法以橋頭地院來講沒有代名魏道廷可依法具體哇這好嚴重啊\n\n29\n00:10:52,425 --> 00:11:13,181\n市務上是不是有沒有提醒?有沒有提醒?沒有啊,這個傳票上面沒有載明啊,是不好載明還是怎麼樣?要你去當國民法官,不來,把你拘來,有這樣的事情嗎?民眾會不會覺得法情感上難以接受?要我去當法官不去,你還要把我抓出去?\n\n30\n00:11:14,002 --> 00:11:37,017\n提醒都有提醒啦但是目前沒有好啦我也沒有說你們一定要載名啦也不是說載名就比較好啦但是這個是一個很重要的觀念啦或許你們覺得載名之後會讓民眾深深恐懼或有錯誤的誤解其實當國民法院是個義務但是你用到具體可能民眾會嚇一跳是不是這樣子我了解你們要去體會但是這個要加強怎麼辦讓徐先生好不好好先往下下一題\n\n31\n00:11:40,259 --> 00:11:44,101\n審判的意願,並且嚴格國民法官案件的轉軌及拒絕標準。」最後陳董事長請回王蜂蜜跟王院長還有我們屏東地院的李院長不用上來交接一下\n\n32\n00:12:03,368 --> 00:12:32,648\n護士長,你去過屏東地院看過,我們屏東地院有一個司法園區的專案,是不是要推動嗎?我們希望未來的王院長接著之後要持續推動,因為這個案子很重要,要跟法務部、要跟國產署、要跟國土署都要去做共同協商。是不是請兩位共同承諾繼續推動,包括幫我們的屏東地院,李院長很積極,我們的地檢的陳檢察長也很積極,需要上面司法院跟法務部共同推動,可以承諾嗎?\n\n33\n00:12:34,389 --> 00:12:36,890\n行政院一律新建的辦公廳設,沒有植物宿舍,都沒有了,只有哪裡?\n\n34\n00:12:55,501 --> 00:13:14,696\n只有新蓋的屏東榮總有植物宿舍你知道什麼原因嗎因為蘇院長特別破例給這些辛苦的醫護人員要輪班所以讓他們在新建的廳舍裡面有植物宿舍未來如果說司法園區能夠成立它的地占地面積等等各方面條件很好未必要在同一個廳舍裡面在附近\n\n35\n00:13:15,396 --> 00:13:18,018\n審理法草案案件事件審理法草案案件事件\n\n36\n00:13:42,165 --> 00:13:49,137\n法官生人愉快。」那也拜託王院長好不好接下燙手山魚世代交替啊台灣隊加油我們司法加油謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5629\t9011\t審查司法院第11屆第2會期司法院第11屆第2會期司法院第11屆第2會期\n28762\t40772\t黃副秘書長也請我們臺北地院的王院長要接班。趕快來見習一下。也請我們訪福的陳董事長。陳董事長\n51172\t55135\t國民法官國審案國審案將擴大納入貪污等案,要強化國民的參與率及拒絕標準。國民法官上路2年,15年案由將擴大。\n72968\t95188\t本來在去年我們新收108件,未結83件,好像比前兩年總數加起來要多根據官方法第五條第一項,它是兩個要件一個是故意犯罪因而發生死亡的結果者,對不對,這已經實施了嘛,過去這幾年就是這樣那未來在15年,所犯罪侵本行為10年以上有期徒刑之罪,請問這些包含哪些?這些罪包含哪些?\n98522\t105005\t判違強制性交、傷害、妨礙幼童、強盜擄人勒贖、兒少性剝削、人口販運、懲治走私、國家情報、妨礙國家安全以及貪污治罪條例。」對不對?\n128095\t143224\t一百一十二年的強盜結合家辱人勒俗的結合罪11人,但是重大貪污有15人,是不是這樣子?但是有沒有評估未來總收案量會成長多少?法院人力充不充足?有沒有評估過?我們在一一五年要開始擴大。\n146087\t147048\t審理法律審理法律審理法律審理法律審理法律\n175987\t178030\t重大貪污案件適用國民法官法嗎?例如說違背職務\n187014\t192318\t稅務行政事件審理法草案案 案件情節繁雜或需高度專業知識非經長久時日顯然完成審判者。」請問副秘書長為什麼要加上這一款?為什麼國民法官法要避免這種情節繁雜要長久時日?\n213223\t230874\t委員報告齁,因為那個國民,一般的國民參與的這些案件齁,第一個,他只能在很……比如說在兩週內要讓國民法官完成。對對對,那他沒有辦法像一般的法官這樣,可以一年兩年,一年兩年再審判子。\n231454\t257871\t所以根據這樣子,去年根據複雜條款裁定不行使國民參審審判的有28件申請,其中複雜案件13件,那麼准以15件,複雜案件6件,差不多複雜案件有一半是准以不交由國民法官參與嘛,對不對?好,那請問一下複雜性條款,有沒有不複雜的貪污案?剛剛講到我們這個重大貪污案適用國民法官法,但是有沒有不複雜的貪污案?\n259673\t260474\t最近大家最熱門的\n276684\t289856\t金華城案,你看看,單單看這個人物關係跟金流圖啊,你看有多少的前市長、前市議員、企業家被告。事案行為至少從4年前開始,還有疑似匯款流入基金會、黨部及政治先進專戶,這個案子複複複雜。\n293615\t316157\t和委員報告,當然有相當的這些複雜度,但是跟委員報告,也不是說有複雜法官那個申請說不行國民審判,法官就會准,法官就只要是…沒錯,好,那麼看一下這個是還在進行中的,我們看已經針截了,重大貪官適用國民法官法會有什麼問題?貪官的特質,涉案人數眾多,金流複雜,被告不認罪,你看,禪送12年,南投前縣長啊,\n317358\t325464\t李朝卿收回扣111件罪全部定案累計刑期達超過400年。」李朝卿案恐怕我們想國民法官沒辦法銷售啊。\n352682\t371038\t財刑國民法案制度就是要集中審理,有些時候會拖久,就是因為集中審理沒有辦法落實貫徹,那這也是國民法案的製度。我們來看一下還有什麼其他的考量,來下一頁。遇到有社會矚目的案件,如何維持國民法案的公正性?國民法案第14條。\n372419\t377300\t包括總統、副總統、各級機關首長、政務人員、民意代表、政黨黨務工作人員。國民法第15條選任國民法官法,這些人不能參與,有具體事證足認其執行職務,有難其公正之語。小草集結北檢挺科這些人會不會落入到第15條第9款的項目當中呢?\n402093\t412837\t如果我們這重大的社會矚目案件有這些人那你就說重大貪污看複雜程度不見得那你在選任國民法官的時候這些人你怎麼去篩選出來\n416500\t445279\t委員報告喔,這個是不是符合這個去選任不適合擔任國民法官,其實要有具體的事證,而且在選任程序裡面,雙方都會去表示意見,那今天被告這邊表示意見,檢察官那一邊他可能會表示不適合這個意見,所以不見得...所以說我們現在談到了當15年擴大包括貪污案件要納入的時候,除了案件複雜之外,社會矚目的你在選任國民法官的時候,不只因為案件複雜,連選任的人員都要特別謹慎,對不對?\n446600\t454252\t民嘴、網路、KOL、支持者,這些可以當任國民法官嗎?如果有足夠的事政,你們就可能要把他排除喔,是不是這樣?\n456929\t483838\t在選任的程序裡面兩兆就會去表示意見那這一邊可能就認為說沒有達到那你要知道齁那這個時候兩邊裸裸有沒有要挑他就開始要求調錄影帶去北檢前面調北檢那時候的錄影帶看看哪些人曾經在裡面參與的是不是這樣子就看到我們在好萊塢電影上他們選任陪審團的時候啊就開始派出大量的人力去救可能被選出來當國民法官的他的過去的參與\n484938\t497288\t是否有這種事證?這是一個龐大的工程,這個事情誰來把關?誰來把關?如果是在北院的話,是誰來把關?如果這個案子國審法,中華北院是誰來把關國民法官的選任?請王院長提供一下見解,因為未來你要擔任這個職務。\n513799\t541607\t這個依法是由國民法官庭的審判長。國民法官庭的審判長嘛,所以很重要嘛。各位我們各個地院的院長喔,這個複雜度大約是好,往下一頁,來我們看一下。那其實我們更關心的不是這個,不是主卻,是要怎麼提升人民參與審判來強化司法信任度。我們1、2年應到的候選法官2352位,10到呢,不到一半。那1、1、3年的比率呢,到目前有沒有統計?\n544415\t556285\t審查司法院函送財團法人法律扶助基金會114年度中央政府總預算案關於司法院函送財團法律扶助基金會114年度審查司法院函送財團法律扶助基金會114年度審查司法院函送財團法律扶助基金會114年度審查司法院函送財團法律\n559298\t562683\t議員最高的是專業人士、軍公教跟學生,議員最低是家管、退休、無業跟勞力人員。為什麼會這樣子呢?有這樣的觀點嗎?我們再往下看。\n577202\t590716\t其實營養參與委員的呢,他這裡的說法是說,因為可能學歷低者他比較擔心對日常生活及生計造成影響。像這些勞力人員啊、兼職人員啊,最怕這一點。那請問候選的法官僱主知道應該以公價併合領日費嗎?你們有去調查嗎?\n593905\t620087\t你覺得是原因嗎?但影響生活經濟。我們這部分應該都有做相關的通知跟宣導,應該會知道。那未來的副部長要強化,要請司法院這邊強化各院的宣導。但是是不是真的是考慮說因為經濟生活,我們再往下看。很奇怪耶,從年齡來看,年齡越高,到場率越低啊。尤其是六、七十歲以上的到場率低於平均。這些人不都已經退休了嗎?\n622097\t651050\t為什麼還會擔心他的經濟生活呢?是什麼原因造成年紀較長者他擔心去擔任國民法官呢?你們要去深入探究原因,可以嗎?這一點我特別提出來,再往下看所以候選的國民法官魏道廷將開法你看我這裡給你看教召我們當兵教召魏豹島將有刑事責任但是你們的國民法官法以橋頭地院來講沒有代名魏道廷可依法具體哇這好嚴重啊\n652425\t673181\t市務上是不是有沒有提醒?有沒有提醒?沒有啊,這個傳票上面沒有載明啊,是不好載明還是怎麼樣?要你去當國民法官,不來,把你拘來,有這樣的事情嗎?民眾會不會覺得法情感上難以接受?要我去當法官不去,你還要把我抓出去?\n674002\t697017\t提醒都有提醒啦但是目前沒有好啦我也沒有說你們一定要載名啦也不是說載名就比較好啦但是這個是一個很重要的觀念啦或許你們覺得載名之後會讓民眾深深恐懼或有錯誤的誤解其實當國民法院是個義務但是你用到具體可能民眾會嚇一跳是不是這樣子我了解你們要去體會但是這個要加強怎麼辦讓徐先生好不好好先往下下一題\n700259\t704101\t審判的意願,並且嚴格國民法官案件的轉軌及拒絕標準。」最後陳董事長請回王蜂蜜跟王院長還有我們屏東地院的李院長不用上來交接一下\n723368\t752648\t護士長,你去過屏東地院看過,我們屏東地院有一個司法園區的專案,是不是要推動嗎?我們希望未來的王院長接著之後要持續推動,因為這個案子很重要,要跟法務部、要跟國產署、要跟國土署都要去做共同協商。是不是請兩位共同承諾繼續推動,包括幫我們的屏東地院,李院長很積極,我們的地檢的陳檢察長也很積極,需要上面司法院跟法務部共同推動,可以承諾嗎?\n754389\t756890\t行政院一律新建的辦公廳設,沒有植物宿舍,都沒有了,只有哪裡?\n775501\t794696\t只有新蓋的屏東榮總有植物宿舍你知道什麼原因嗎因為蘇院長特別破例給這些辛苦的醫護人員要輪班所以讓他們在新建的廳舍裡面有植物宿舍未來如果說司法園區能夠成立它的地占地面積等等各方面條件很好未必要在同一個廳舍裡面在附近\n795396\t798018\t審理法草案案件事件審理法草案案件事件\n822165\t829137\t法官生人愉快。」那也拜託王院長好不好接下燙手山魚世代交替啊台灣隊加油我們司法加油謝謝\n","txt":"審查司法院第11屆第2會期司法院第11屆第2會期司法院第11屆第2會期\n黃副秘書長也請我們臺北地院的王院長要接班。趕快來見習一下。也請我們訪福的陳董事長。陳董事長\n國民法官國審案國審案將擴大納入貪污等案,要強化國民的參與率及拒絕標準。國民法官上路2年,15年案由將擴大。\n本來在去年我們新收108件,未結83件,好像比前兩年總數加起來要多根據官方法第五條第一項,它是兩個要件一個是故意犯罪因而發生死亡的結果者,對不對,這已經實施了嘛,過去這幾年就是這樣那未來在15年,所犯罪侵本行為10年以上有期徒刑之罪,請問這些包含哪些?這些罪包含哪些?\n判違強制性交、傷害、妨礙幼童、強盜擄人勒贖、兒少性剝削、人口販運、懲治走私、國家情報、妨礙國家安全以及貪污治罪條例。」對不對?\n一百一十二年的強盜結合家辱人勒俗的結合罪11人,但是重大貪污有15人,是不是這樣子?但是有沒有評估未來總收案量會成長多少?法院人力充不充足?有沒有評估過?我們在一一五年要開始擴大。\n審理法律審理法律審理法律審理法律審理法律\n重大貪污案件適用國民法官法嗎?例如說違背職務\n稅務行政事件審理法草案案 案件情節繁雜或需高度專業知識非經長久時日顯然完成審判者。」請問副秘書長為什麼要加上這一款?為什麼國民法官法要避免這種情節繁雜要長久時日?\n委員報告齁,因為那個國民,一般的國民參與的這些案件齁,第一個,他只能在很……比如說在兩週內要讓國民法官完成。對對對,那他沒有辦法像一般的法官這樣,可以一年兩年,一年兩年再審判子。\n所以根據這樣子,去年根據複雜條款裁定不行使國民參審審判的有28件申請,其中複雜案件13件,那麼准以15件,複雜案件6件,差不多複雜案件有一半是准以不交由國民法官參與嘛,對不對?好,那請問一下複雜性條款,有沒有不複雜的貪污案?剛剛講到我們這個重大貪污案適用國民法官法,但是有沒有不複雜的貪污案?\n最近大家最熱門的\n金華城案,你看看,單單看這個人物關係跟金流圖啊,你看有多少的前市長、前市議員、企業家被告。事案行為至少從4年前開始,還有疑似匯款流入基金會、黨部及政治先進專戶,這個案子複複複雜。\n和委員報告,當然有相當的這些複雜度,但是跟委員報告,也不是說有複雜法官那個申請說不行國民審判,法官就會准,法官就只要是…沒錯,好,那麼看一下這個是還在進行中的,我們看已經針截了,重大貪官適用國民法官法會有什麼問題?貪官的特質,涉案人數眾多,金流複雜,被告不認罪,你看,禪送12年,南投前縣長啊,\n李朝卿收回扣111件罪全部定案累計刑期達超過400年。」李朝卿案恐怕我們想國民法官沒辦法銷售啊。\n財刑國民法案制度就是要集中審理,有些時候會拖久,就是因為集中審理沒有辦法落實貫徹,那這也是國民法案的製度。我們來看一下還有什麼其他的考量,來下一頁。遇到有社會矚目的案件,如何維持國民法案的公正性?國民法案第14條。\n包括總統、副總統、各級機關首長、政務人員、民意代表、政黨黨務工作人員。國民法第15條選任國民法官法,這些人不能參與,有具體事證足認其執行職務,有難其公正之語。小草集結北檢挺科這些人會不會落入到第15條第9款的項目當中呢?\n如果我們這重大的社會矚目案件有這些人那你就說重大貪污看複雜程度不見得那你在選任國民法官的時候這些人你怎麼去篩選出來\n委員報告喔,這個是不是符合這個去選任不適合擔任國民法官,其實要有具體的事證,而且在選任程序裡面,雙方都會去表示意見,那今天被告這邊表示意見,檢察官那一邊他可能會表示不適合這個意見,所以不見得...所以說我們現在談到了當15年擴大包括貪污案件要納入的時候,除了案件複雜之外,社會矚目的你在選任國民法官的時候,不只因為案件複雜,連選任的人員都要特別謹慎,對不對?\n民嘴、網路、KOL、支持者,這些可以當任國民法官嗎?如果有足夠的事政,你們就可能要把他排除喔,是不是這樣?\n在選任的程序裡面兩兆就會去表示意見那這一邊可能就認為說沒有達到那你要知道齁那這個時候兩邊裸裸有沒有要挑他就開始要求調錄影帶去北檢前面調北檢那時候的錄影帶看看哪些人曾經在裡面參與的是不是這樣子就看到我們在好萊塢電影上他們選任陪審團的時候啊就開始派出大量的人力去救可能被選出來當國民法官的他的過去的參與\n是否有這種事證?這是一個龐大的工程,這個事情誰來把關?誰來把關?如果是在北院的話,是誰來把關?如果這個案子國審法,中華北院是誰來把關國民法官的選任?請王院長提供一下見解,因為未來你要擔任這個職務。\n這個依法是由國民法官庭的審判長。國民法官庭的審判長嘛,所以很重要嘛。各位我們各個地院的院長喔,這個複雜度大約是好,往下一頁,來我們看一下。那其實我們更關心的不是這個,不是主卻,是要怎麼提升人民參與審判來強化司法信任度。我們1、2年應到的候選法官2352位,10到呢,不到一半。那1、1、3年的比率呢,到目前有沒有統計?\n審查司法院函送財團法人法律扶助基金會114年度中央政府總預算案關於司法院函送財團法律扶助基金會114年度審查司法院函送財團法律扶助基金會114年度審查司法院函送財團法律扶助基金會114年度審查司法院函送財團法律\n議員最高的是專業人士、軍公教跟學生,議員最低是家管、退休、無業跟勞力人員。為什麼會這樣子呢?有這樣的觀點嗎?我們再往下看。\n其實營養參與委員的呢,他這裡的說法是說,因為可能學歷低者他比較擔心對日常生活及生計造成影響。像這些勞力人員啊、兼職人員啊,最怕這一點。那請問候選的法官僱主知道應該以公價併合領日費嗎?你們有去調查嗎?\n你覺得是原因嗎?但影響生活經濟。我們這部分應該都有做相關的通知跟宣導,應該會知道。那未來的副部長要強化,要請司法院這邊強化各院的宣導。但是是不是真的是考慮說因為經濟生活,我們再往下看。很奇怪耶,從年齡來看,年齡越高,到場率越低啊。尤其是六、七十歲以上的到場率低於平均。這些人不都已經退休了嗎?\n為什麼還會擔心他的經濟生活呢?是什麼原因造成年紀較長者他擔心去擔任國民法官呢?你們要去深入探究原因,可以嗎?這一點我特別提出來,再往下看所以候選的國民法官魏道廷將開法你看我這裡給你看教召我們當兵教召魏豹島將有刑事責任但是你們的國民法官法以橋頭地院來講沒有代名魏道廷可依法具體哇這好嚴重啊\n市務上是不是有沒有提醒?有沒有提醒?沒有啊,這個傳票上面沒有載明啊,是不好載明還是怎麼樣?要你去當國民法官,不來,把你拘來,有這樣的事情嗎?民眾會不會覺得法情感上難以接受?要我去當法官不去,你還要把我抓出去?\n提醒都有提醒啦但是目前沒有好啦我也沒有說你們一定要載名啦也不是說載名就比較好啦但是這個是一個很重要的觀念啦或許你們覺得載名之後會讓民眾深深恐懼或有錯誤的誤解其實當國民法院是個義務但是你用到具體可能民眾會嚇一跳是不是這樣子我了解你們要去體會但是這個要加強怎麼辦讓徐先生好不好好先往下下一題\n審判的意願,並且嚴格國民法官案件的轉軌及拒絕標準。」最後陳董事長請回王蜂蜜跟王院長還有我們屏東地院的李院長不用上來交接一下\n護士長,你去過屏東地院看過,我們屏東地院有一個司法園區的專案,是不是要推動嗎?我們希望未來的王院長接著之後要持續推動,因為這個案子很重要,要跟法務部、要跟國產署、要跟國土署都要去做共同協商。是不是請兩位共同承諾繼續推動,包括幫我們的屏東地院,李院長很積極,我們的地檢的陳檢察長也很積極,需要上面司法院跟法務部共同推動,可以承諾嗎?\n行政院一律新建的辦公廳設,沒有植物宿舍,都沒有了,只有哪裡?\n只有新蓋的屏東榮總有植物宿舍你知道什麼原因嗎因為蘇院長特別破例給這些辛苦的醫護人員要輪班所以讓他們在新建的廳舍裡面有植物宿舍未來如果說司法園區能夠成立它的地占地面積等等各方面條件很好未必要在同一個廳舍裡面在附近\n審理法草案案件事件審理法草案案件事件\n法官生人愉快。」那也拜託王院長好不好接下燙手山魚世代交替啊台灣隊加油我們司法加油謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.629 --> 00:09.011\n審查司法院第11屆第2會期司法院第11屆第2會期司法院第11屆第2會期\n\n00:28.762 --> 00:40.772\n黃副秘書長也請我們臺北地院的王院長要接班。趕快來見習一下。也請我們訪福的陳董事長。陳董事長\n\n00:51.172 --> 00:55.135\n國民法官國審案國審案將擴大納入貪污等案,要強化國民的參與率及拒絕標準。國民法官上路2年,15年案由將擴大。\n\n01:12.968 --> 01:35.188\n本來在去年我們新收108件,未結83件,好像比前兩年總數加起來要多根據官方法第五條第一項,它是兩個要件一個是故意犯罪因而發生死亡的結果者,對不對,這已經實施了嘛,過去這幾年就是這樣那未來在15年,所犯罪侵本行為10年以上有期徒刑之罪,請問這些包含哪些?這些罪包含哪些?\n\n01:38.522 --> 01:45.005\n判違強制性交、傷害、妨礙幼童、強盜擄人勒贖、兒少性剝削、人口販運、懲治走私、國家情報、妨礙國家安全以及貪污治罪條例。」對不對?\n\n02:08.095 --> 02:23.224\n一百一十二年的強盜結合家辱人勒俗的結合罪11人,但是重大貪污有15人,是不是這樣子?但是有沒有評估未來總收案量會成長多少?法院人力充不充足?有沒有評估過?我們在一一五年要開始擴大。\n\n02:26.087 --> 02:27.048\n審理法律審理法律審理法律審理法律審理法律\n\n02:55.987 --> 02:58.030\n重大貪污案件適用國民法官法嗎?例如說違背職務\n\n03:07.014 --> 03:12.318\n稅務行政事件審理法草案案案件情節繁雜或需高度專業知識非經長久時日顯然完成審判者。」請問副秘書長為什麼要加上這一款?為什麼國民法官法要避免這種情節繁雜要長久時日?\n\n03:33.223 --> 03:50.874\n委員報告齁,因為那個國民,一般的國民參與的這些案件齁,第一個,他只能在很……比如說在兩週內要讓國民法官完成。對對對,那他沒有辦法像一般的法官這樣,可以一年兩年,一年兩年再審判子。\n\n03:51.454 --> 04:17.871\n所以根據這樣子,去年根據複雜條款裁定不行使國民參審審判的有28件申請,其中複雜案件13件,那麼准以15件,複雜案件6件,差不多複雜案件有一半是准以不交由國民法官參與嘛,對不對?好,那請問一下複雜性條款,有沒有不複雜的貪污案?剛剛講到我們這個重大貪污案適用國民法官法,但是有沒有不複雜的貪污案?\n\n04:19.673 --> 04:20.474\n最近大家最熱門的\n\n04:36.684 --> 04:49.856\n金華城案,你看看,單單看這個人物關係跟金流圖啊,你看有多少的前市長、前市議員、企業家被告。事案行為至少從4年前開始,還有疑似匯款流入基金會、黨部及政治先進專戶,這個案子複複複雜。\n\n04:53.615 --> 05:16.157\n和委員報告,當然有相當的這些複雜度,但是跟委員報告,也不是說有複雜法官那個申請說不行國民審判,法官就會准,法官就只要是…沒錯,好,那麼看一下這個是還在進行中的,我們看已經針截了,重大貪官適用國民法官法會有什麼問題?貪官的特質,涉案人數眾多,金流複雜,被告不認罪,你看,禪送12年,南投前縣長啊,\n\n05:17.358 --> 05:25.464\n李朝卿收回扣111件罪全部定案累計刑期達超過400年。」李朝卿案恐怕我們想國民法官沒辦法銷售啊。\n\n05:52.682 --> 06:11.038\n財刑國民法案制度就是要集中審理,有些時候會拖久,就是因為集中審理沒有辦法落實貫徹,那這也是國民法案的製度。我們來看一下還有什麼其他的考量,來下一頁。遇到有社會矚目的案件,如何維持國民法案的公正性?國民法案第14條。\n\n06:12.419 --> 06:17.300\n包括總統、副總統、各級機關首長、政務人員、民意代表、政黨黨務工作人員。國民法第15條選任國民法官法,這些人不能參與,有具體事證足認其執行職務,有難其公正之語。小草集結北檢挺科這些人會不會落入到第15條第9款的項目當中呢?\n\n06:42.093 --> 06:52.837\n如果我們這重大的社會矚目案件有這些人那你就說重大貪污看複雜程度不見得那你在選任國民法官的時候這些人你怎麼去篩選出來\n\n06:56.500 --> 07:25.279\n委員報告喔,這個是不是符合這個去選任不適合擔任國民法官,其實要有具體的事證,而且在選任程序裡面,雙方都會去表示意見,那今天被告這邊表示意見,檢察官那一邊他可能會表示不適合這個意見,所以不見得...所以說我們現在談到了當15年擴大包括貪污案件要納入的時候,除了案件複雜之外,社會矚目的你在選任國民法官的時候,不只因為案件複雜,連選任的人員都要特別謹慎,對不對?\n\n07:26.600 --> 07:34.252\n民嘴、網路、KOL、支持者,這些可以當任國民法官嗎?如果有足夠的事政,你們就可能要把他排除喔,是不是這樣?\n\n07:36.929 --> 08:03.838\n在選任的程序裡面兩兆就會去表示意見那這一邊可能就認為說沒有達到那你要知道齁那這個時候兩邊裸裸有沒有要挑他就開始要求調錄影帶去北檢前面調北檢那時候的錄影帶看看哪些人曾經在裡面參與的是不是這樣子就看到我們在好萊塢電影上他們選任陪審團的時候啊就開始派出大量的人力去救可能被選出來當國民法官的他的過去的參與\n\n08:04.938 --> 08:17.288\n是否有這種事證?這是一個龐大的工程,這個事情誰來把關?誰來把關?如果是在北院的話,是誰來把關?如果這個案子國審法,中華北院是誰來把關國民法官的選任?請王院長提供一下見解,因為未來你要擔任這個職務。\n\n08:33.799 --> 09:01.607\n這個依法是由國民法官庭的審判長。國民法官庭的審判長嘛,所以很重要嘛。各位我們各個地院的院長喔,這個複雜度大約是好,往下一頁,來我們看一下。那其實我們更關心的不是這個,不是主卻,是要怎麼提升人民參與審判來強化司法信任度。我們1、2年應到的候選法官2352位,10到呢,不到一半。那1、1、3年的比率呢,到目前有沒有統計?\n\n09:04.415 --> 09:16.285\n審查司法院函送財團法人法律扶助基金會114年度中央政府總預算案關於司法院函送財團法律扶助基金會114年度審查司法院函送財團法律扶助基金會114年度審查司法院函送財團法律扶助基金會114年度審查司法院函送財團法律\n\n09:19.298 --> 09:22.683\n議員最高的是專業人士、軍公教跟學生,議員最低是家管、退休、無業跟勞力人員。為什麼會這樣子呢?有這樣的觀點嗎?我們再往下看。\n\n09:37.202 --> 09:50.716\n其實營養參與委員的呢,他這裡的說法是說,因為可能學歷低者他比較擔心對日常生活及生計造成影響。像這些勞力人員啊、兼職人員啊,最怕這一點。那請問候選的法官僱主知道應該以公價併合領日費嗎?你們有去調查嗎?\n\n09:53.905 --> 10:20.087\n你覺得是原因嗎?但影響生活經濟。我們這部分應該都有做相關的通知跟宣導,應該會知道。那未來的副部長要強化,要請司法院這邊強化各院的宣導。但是是不是真的是考慮說因為經濟生活,我們再往下看。很奇怪耶,從年齡來看,年齡越高,到場率越低啊。尤其是六、七十歲以上的到場率低於平均。這些人不都已經退休了嗎?\n\n10:22.097 --> 10:51.050\n為什麼還會擔心他的經濟生活呢?是什麼原因造成年紀較長者他擔心去擔任國民法官呢?你們要去深入探究原因,可以嗎?這一點我特別提出來,再往下看所以候選的國民法官魏道廷將開法你看我這裡給你看教召我們當兵教召魏豹島將有刑事責任但是你們的國民法官法以橋頭地院來講沒有代名魏道廷可依法具體哇這好嚴重啊\n\n10:52.425 --> 11:13.181\n市務上是不是有沒有提醒?有沒有提醒?沒有啊,這個傳票上面沒有載明啊,是不好載明還是怎麼樣?要你去當國民法官,不來,把你拘來,有這樣的事情嗎?民眾會不會覺得法情感上難以接受?要我去當法官不去,你還要把我抓出去?\n\n11:14.002 --> 11:37.017\n提醒都有提醒啦但是目前沒有好啦我也沒有說你們一定要載名啦也不是說載名就比較好啦但是這個是一個很重要的觀念啦或許你們覺得載名之後會讓民眾深深恐懼或有錯誤的誤解其實當國民法院是個義務但是你用到具體可能民眾會嚇一跳是不是這樣子我了解你們要去體會但是這個要加強怎麼辦讓徐先生好不好好先往下下一題\n\n11:40.259 --> 11:44.101\n審判的意願,並且嚴格國民法官案件的轉軌及拒絕標準。」最後陳董事長請回王蜂蜜跟王院長還有我們屏東地院的李院長不用上來交接一下\n\n12:03.368 --> 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案件情節繁雜或需高度專業知識非經長久時日顯然完成審判者。」請問副秘書長為什麼要加上這一款?為什麼國民法官法要避免這種情節繁雜要長久時日?"},{"start":213.223,"end":230.874,"text":"委員報告齁,因為那個國民,一般的國民參與的這些案件齁,第一個,他只能在很……比如說在兩週內要讓國民法官完成。對對對,那他沒有辦法像一般的法官這樣,可以一年兩年,一年兩年再審判子。"},{"start":231.454,"end":257.871,"text":"所以根據這樣子,去年根據複雜條款裁定不行使國民參審審判的有28件申請,其中複雜案件13件,那麼准以15件,複雜案件6件,差不多複雜案件有一半是准以不交由國民法官參與嘛,對不對?好,那請問一下複雜性條款,有沒有不複雜的貪污案?剛剛講到我們這個重大貪污案適用國民法官法,但是有沒有不複雜的貪污案?"},{"start":259.673,"end":260.474,"text":"最近大家最熱門的"},{"start":276.684,"end":289.856,"text":"金華城案,你看看,單單看這個人物關係跟金流圖啊,你看有多少的前市長、前市議員、企業家被告。事案行為至少從4年前開始,還有疑似匯款流入基金會、黨部及政治先進專戶,這個案子複複複雜。"},{"start":293.615,"end":316.157,"text":"和委員報告,當然有相當的這些複雜度,但是跟委員報告,也不是說有複雜法官那個申請說不行國民審判,法官就會准,法官就只要是…沒錯,好,那麼看一下這個是還在進行中的,我們看已經針截了,重大貪官適用國民法官法會有什麼問題?貪官的特質,涉案人數眾多,金流複雜,被告不認罪,你看,禪送12年,南投前縣長啊,"},{"start":317.358,"end":325.464,"text":"李朝卿收回扣111件罪全部定案累計刑期達超過400年。」李朝卿案恐怕我們想國民法官沒辦法銷售啊。"},{"start":352.682,"end":371.038,"text":"財刑國民法案制度就是要集中審理,有些時候會拖久,就是因為集中審理沒有辦法落實貫徹,那這也是國民法案的製度。我們來看一下還有什麼其他的考量,來下一頁。遇到有社會矚目的案件,如何維持國民法案的公正性?國民法案第14條。"},{"start":372.419,"end":377.3,"text":"包括總統、副總統、各級機關首長、政務人員、民意代表、政黨黨務工作人員。國民法第15條選任國民法官法,這些人不能參與,有具體事證足認其執行職務,有難其公正之語。小草集結北檢挺科這些人會不會落入到第15條第9款的項目當中呢?"},{"start":402.093,"end":412.837,"text":"如果我們這重大的社會矚目案件有這些人那你就說重大貪污看複雜程度不見得那你在選任國民法官的時候這些人你怎麼去篩選出來"},{"start":416.5,"end":445.279,"text":"委員報告喔,這個是不是符合這個去選任不適合擔任國民法官,其實要有具體的事證,而且在選任程序裡面,雙方都會去表示意見,那今天被告這邊表示意見,檢察官那一邊他可能會表示不適合這個意見,所以不見得...所以說我們現在談到了當15年擴大包括貪污案件要納入的時候,除了案件複雜之外,社會矚目的你在選任國民法官的時候,不只因為案件複雜,連選任的人員都要特別謹慎,對不對?"},{"start":446.6,"end":454.252,"text":"民嘴、網路、KOL、支持者,這些可以當任國民法官嗎?如果有足夠的事政,你們就可能要把他排除喔,是不是這樣?"},{"start":456.929,"end":483.838,"text":"在選任的程序裡面兩兆就會去表示意見那這一邊可能就認為說沒有達到那你要知道齁那這個時候兩邊裸裸有沒有要挑他就開始要求調錄影帶去北檢前面調北檢那時候的錄影帶看看哪些人曾經在裡面參與的是不是這樣子就看到我們在好萊塢電影上他們選任陪審團的時候啊就開始派出大量的人力去救可能被選出來當國民法官的他的過去的參與"},{"start":484.938,"end":497.288,"text":"是否有這種事證?這是一個龐大的工程,這個事情誰來把關?誰來把關?如果是在北院的話,是誰來把關?如果這個案子國審法,中華北院是誰來把關國民法官的選任?請王院長提供一下見解,因為未來你要擔任這個職務。"},{"start":513.799,"end":541.607,"text":"這個依法是由國民法官庭的審判長。國民法官庭的審判長嘛,所以很重要嘛。各位我們各個地院的院長喔,這個複雜度大約是好,往下一頁,來我們看一下。那其實我們更關心的不是這個,不是主卻,是要怎麼提升人民參與審判來強化司法信任度。我們1、2年應到的候選法官2352位,10到呢,不到一半。那1、1、3年的比率呢,到目前有沒有統計?"},{"start":544.415,"end":556.285,"text":"審查司法院函送財團法人法律扶助基金會114年度中央政府總預算案關於司法院函送財團法律扶助基金會114年度審查司法院函送財團法律扶助基金會114年度審查司法院函送財團法律扶助基金會114年度審查司法院函送財團法律"},{"start":559.298,"end":562.683,"text":"議員最高的是專業人士、軍公教跟學生,議員最低是家管、退休、無業跟勞力人員。為什麼會這樣子呢?有這樣的觀點嗎?我們再往下看。"},{"start":577.202,"end":590.716,"text":"其實營養參與委員的呢,他這裡的說法是說,因為可能學歷低者他比較擔心對日常生活及生計造成影響。像這些勞力人員啊、兼職人員啊,最怕這一點。那請問候選的法官僱主知道應該以公價併合領日費嗎?你們有去調查嗎?"},{"start":593.905,"end":620.087,"text":"你覺得是原因嗎?但影響生活經濟。我們這部分應該都有做相關的通知跟宣導,應該會知道。那未來的副部長要強化,要請司法院這邊強化各院的宣導。但是是不是真的是考慮說因為經濟生活,我們再往下看。很奇怪耶,從年齡來看,年齡越高,到場率越低啊。尤其是六、七十歲以上的到場率低於平均。這些人不都已經退休了嗎?"},{"start":622.097,"end":651.05,"text":"為什麼還會擔心他的經濟生活呢?是什麼原因造成年紀較長者他擔心去擔任國民法官呢?你們要去深入探究原因,可以嗎?這一點我特別提出來,再往下看所以候選的國民法官魏道廷將開法你看我這裡給你看教召我們當兵教召魏豹島將有刑事責任但是你們的國民法官法以橋頭地院來講沒有代名魏道廷可依法具體哇這好嚴重啊"},{"start":652.425,"end":673.181,"text":"市務上是不是有沒有提醒?有沒有提醒?沒有啊,這個傳票上面沒有載明啊,是不好載明還是怎麼樣?要你去當國民法官,不來,把你拘來,有這樣的事情嗎?民眾會不會覺得法情感上難以接受?要我去當法官不去,你還要把我抓出去?"},{"start":674.002,"end":697.017,"text":"提醒都有提醒啦但是目前沒有好啦我也沒有說你們一定要載名啦也不是說載名就比較好啦但是這個是一個很重要的觀念啦或許你們覺得載名之後會讓民眾深深恐懼或有錯誤的誤解其實當國民法院是個義務但是你用到具體可能民眾會嚇一跳是不是這樣子我了解你們要去體會但是這個要加強怎麼辦讓徐先生好不好好先往下下一題"},{"start":700.259,"end":704.101,"text":"審判的意願,並且嚴格國民法官案件的轉軌及拒絕標準。」最後陳董事長請回王蜂蜜跟王院長還有我們屏東地院的李院長不用上來交接一下"},{"start":723.368,"end":752.648,"text":"護士長,你去過屏東地院看過,我們屏東地院有一個司法園區的專案,是不是要推動嗎?我們希望未來的王院長接著之後要持續推動,因為這個案子很重要,要跟法務部、要跟國產署、要跟國土署都要去做共同協商。是不是請兩位共同承諾繼續推動,包括幫我們的屏東地院,李院長很積極,我們的地檢的陳檢察長也很積極,需要上面司法院跟法務部共同推動,可以承諾嗎?"},{"start":754.389,"end":756.89,"text":"行政院一律新建的辦公廳設,沒有植物宿舍,都沒有了,只有哪裡?"},{"start":775.501,"end":794.696,"text":"只有新蓋的屏東榮總有植物宿舍你知道什麼原因嗎因為蘇院長特別破例給這些辛苦的醫護人員要輪班所以讓他們在新建的廳舍裡面有植物宿舍未來如果說司法園區能夠成立它的地占地面積等等各方面條件很好未必要在同一個廳舍裡面在附近"},{"start":795.396,"end":798.018,"text":"審理法草案案件事件審理法草案案件事件"},{"start":822.165,"end":829.137,"text":"法官生人愉快。」那也拜託王院長好不好接下燙手山魚世代交替啊台灣隊加油我們司法加油謝謝"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":642,"blocks":[["鍾委員佳濱：（10時36分）謝謝。主席、在場的委員先進、列席的政府機關首長官員、會場工作夥伴、在場的媒體女士先生。今天喜氣洋洋，不只臺灣隊奪冠，大家開心，我想臺灣隊世代交替，有一半球員是第一次參加國際賽，我們司法體系也世代交替，所以有請我們的黃副秘書長，準備要交替了。"],["主席：請黃副秘。"],["鍾委員佳濱：也請我們臺北地院的王院長，要接班了……"],["主席：請王院長。"],["鍾委員佳濱：趕快來見習一下，也請法扶的陳董事長。"],["主席：請陳董事長。"],["鍾委員佳濱：謝謝。副秘好、陳董事長好、王院長好。今天請陳董事長上來，就知道我要談國民法官國審案，我的標題很清楚，國審案將擴大納入貪污等案，要強化國民的參與率及拒卻標準。我們來看一下，請教黃副秘，國民法官上路兩年，115年案由將擴大，本來在去年我們新收108件、未結83件，好像比前兩年的總數加起來還要多，根據國民法官法第五條第一項，它是兩個要件嘛！一個是故意犯罪因而發生死亡結果者，對不對？這已經實施了，過去這幾年就是這樣，未來在115年所犯最輕本刑為十年以上有期徒刑之罪，請問這些罪包含哪些？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：這部分目前可能要統計，當然案件量……"],["鍾委員佳濱：包含哪些罪名？譬如說，包括普通刑法……"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：這個大概在那個……"],["鍾委員佳濱：內容有嘛？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：重大貪污會有。"],["鍾委員佳濱：對，範圍包括強制性交、傷害、妨害幼童、強盜擄人勒贖、兒少性剝削、人口販運、懲治走私、國家情報、妨害國家安全以及貪污治罪條例，對不對？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：對、對。"],["鍾委員佳濱：112年的強盜結合加擄人勒贖的結合罪11人，但是重大貪污有15人，是不是這樣子？但是有沒有評估未來總收案量會成長多少，法院人力充不充足？有沒有評估過？你們在115年要開始擴大。"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：我們刑事廳都持續在關注這部分，預計會增加兩百八十幾個人。"],["鍾委員佳濱：你說115年開始會有兩百？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：對、對，我們評估……"],["鍾委員佳濱：會超過兩百件？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：是、是。"],["鍾委員佳濱：陳董事長在後面，他也是很關心，我們知道國民法官法一定是由法扶，它是強制辯護嘛！就符合申請。我們來看下一頁，請問重大貪污案件適用國民法官法嗎？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：適用，就是假設……"],["鍾委員佳濱：適用？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：對！"],["鍾委員佳濱：譬如說違背職務收賄罪就最輕本刑十年以上，但是我們國民法官法第六條第一項提到有幾種情況，其中案件情節繁雜或需高度專業知識，非經長久時日顯難完成審判。請問副秘書長，為什麼要加上這一款？為什麼國民法官法要避免這種情節繁雜、要長久時日？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：因為一般國民參與的這些案件，第一個，他只能在集中的時間內審理……"],["鍾委員佳濱：比如說在兩週內要讓國民法官完成？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：對、對，他沒有辦法像一般的法官這樣，可以一年、兩年在審理案子，所以說……"],["鍾委員佳濱：是的，所以根據這樣子，去年根據複雜條款，裁定不行使國民參審審判的有28件聲請，其中複雜案件13件；准許15件，複雜案件6件；差不多複雜案件有一半是准許不交由國民法官參與，對不對？好，請問一下複雜性條款，有沒有不複雜的貪污案？剛剛講到重大貪污案適用國民法官法，但是有沒有不複雜的貪污案？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：如果以我們以前的經驗，就是承認收賄，然後也交出來，像這一些的案件，但是說實話，這種例子比較不是那麼多。"],["鍾委員佳濱：那我們就講最近大家最熱門的京華城案，你看看，單單看這個人物關係跟金流圖，你看有多少的前市長、前市議員、企業家被列被告，涉案行為至少從4年前開始，還有疑似匯款流入基金會、黨部及政治獻金專戶，這個案子複不複雜？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：跟委員報告，當然有相當的複雜度，但是跟委員報告，也不是說有複雜，聲請說不行國民審判法官就會准，法官還是……"],["鍾委員佳濱：是，沒錯，這個是還在進行中的，我們看已經偵結的，重大貪污案適用國民法官法會有什麼問題？貪污案的特質：涉案人數眾多、金流複雜、被告不認罪，你看纏訟12年，南投前縣長李朝卿收回扣111罪全部定讞，累計刑期超過400年，副秘書長，你覺得這個案子假如後年用國審法來審有可能嗎？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：跟委員報告，因為具體的案情，我畢竟……"],["鍾委員佳濱：這個案子已經很明確了。"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：如果說他構成的罪名是最輕10年以上，他假設聲請的話，可能……"],["鍾委員佳濱：以李朝卿案，恐怕國民法官沒辦法消受啊！纏訟12年欸！"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：因為採行國民法官制度就是要集中審理，有些時候會拖久就是因為集中審理沒有辦法落實貫徹，這也是國民法官法……"],["鍾委員佳濱：好。"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：至於說它是不是真的複雜到不適合……"],["鍾委員佳濱：我們來看一下還有什麼其他的考量，遇到有社會矚目的案件，如何維持國民法官的公正性，國民法官法第十四條包括什麼？總統、副總統這些人，各級的機關首長、政務人員、民意代表，還有政黨的黨務工作人員，我們來看一下，國民法第十五條，它說選任國民法官，這些人不能參與：有具體事證足認其執行職務有難期公正之虞。我們來看一下，小草集結北檢挺柯，這些人會不會落入到第十五條第九款的項目當中呢？如果我們在重大的社會矚目案件有這些人，你又說重大貪污看複雜程度，不見得，那你在選任國民法官的時候，這些人你怎麼去篩選出來？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：跟委員報告，是不是符合去選任或不適合擔任國民法官其實要有具體的事證，而且在選任程序裡面，雙方都會去表示意見，今天被告這邊表示意見，檢察官那一邊可能會表示不同的意見，所以不見得……"],["鍾委員佳濱：是，所以我們現在談到了當115年擴大，包括貪污案件要納入的時候，除了案件複雜之外，社會矚目的，你在選任國民法官的時候，不只因為案件複雜，連選任的人員都要特別謹慎，對不對？名嘴啦、網路KOL、支持者，這些可以擔任國民法官嗎？如果有足夠事證，你們就可能要把他排除喔！是不是這樣？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：我想這部分在選任的程序裡面兩造就會去表示意見……"],["鍾委員佳濱：很好。"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：這邊要，這邊可能就認為說沒有達到。"],["鍾委員佳濱：那你要知道，這個時候兩邊有沒有要挑，他就開始要求調錄影帶，去北檢前面調北檢那時候的錄影帶，看看哪些人曾經在裡面參與的，是不是這樣子？就會看到我們在好萊塢電影上，他們選任陪審團的時候，就開始派出大量的人力去就可能被選出來當國民法官的，查他過去的參與，有沒有這種事證，是不是這樣？這是個龐大的工程，這個事情誰來把關？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：我想選任的程序本身就有一些很嚴密的規範……"],["鍾委員佳濱：誰來把關？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：今天假設他也有不符合……"],["鍾委員佳濱：如果是在北院的話，是誰來把關？如果這個案子國審法送到北院，誰來把關國民法官的選任？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：審判長。"],["鍾委員佳濱：請王院長提供一下見解，因為未來你要擔任這個職務。"],["王院長梅英：這個依法是由國民法官庭的審判長。"],["鍾委員佳濱：國民法官庭的審判長。"],["王院長梅英：是的。"],["鍾委員佳濱：所以很重要嘛！各位，我們各個地院的院長，這個複雜度大家去思考。下一頁我們看一下，其實我們更關心的不是這個，不是阻卻，是要怎麼提升人民參與審判來強化司法信任度。我們112年應到的候選法官2,352位，實到不到一半，113年的比率到目前有沒有統計？也是不到一半吧！"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：45%。"],["鍾委員佳濱：你看比去年還低啊！你後面還有一個多月的時間，什麼原因造成的？有沒有調查過？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：目前應該我們國民法官……"],["鍾委員佳濱：你們去年的成效評估我調出來了，這句話我是覺得不是那麼認可，說學歷越低，意願越低，意願最高的是專業人士、軍公教跟學生，意願最低的是家管、退休無業跟勞力人員，為什麼會這樣子呢？有這樣的關聯嗎？我們再往下看。其實影響參與意願的，這裡的說法是說因為可能學歷低者，他比較擔心對日常生活及生計造成影響，像這些勞力人員、兼職人員最怕這一點，請問候選法官、雇主知道應該給予公假並可領日費嗎？你們有去調查嗎？你覺得是這個原因嗎？擔心影響生活經濟。"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：我們這部分應該都有做相關的通知跟宣導，應該會知道。"],["鍾委員佳濱：好，那未來副秘書長要請司法院這邊強化各院的宣導，但是是不是真的是因為經濟生活？我們再往下看，很奇怪，從年齡來看，年齡越高，到場率越低，尤其是六、七十歲以上的到場率低於平均，這些人不都已經退休了嗎？為什麼還會擔心他的經濟生活呢？是什麼原因造成年紀較長者擔心去擔任國民法官呢？你們要去深入探究原因可以嗎？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：可以，我們……"],["鍾委員佳濱：這點我特別提出來。所以候選的國民法官未到庭將開罰，我再給你看，當兵教召未報到將有刑事責任，但是你們的國民法官法，以橋頭地院來講，沒有載明未到庭可依法拘提，這好嚴重啊！實務上有沒有提醒？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：我們都有提醒，法規也有……"],["鍾委員佳濱：沒有啊！傳票上面沒有載明啊！是不好載明還是怎麼樣？要你去當國民法官，不來，把你拘來，有這樣的事情嗎？民眾會不會覺得法情感上難以接受，要我去當法官不去，你還要把我抓去？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：我們提醒都有提醒啦，但是目前沒有……"],["鍾委員佳濱：好啦！我也沒有說你們一定要載明啦，也不是說載明就比較好啦，但是這個是一個很重要的觀念，或許你們覺得載明會讓民眾心生恐懼或有錯誤的誤解，其實當國民法官是個義務，但是你用到拘提，可能民眾會嚇一跳，是不是這樣子？我了解你們要去體會，但是這個要加強，讓他們宣導好不好？再往下看下一頁，所以我的建議就是在未來預算執行當中強化人民參與審判的意願，並且嚴格國民法官案件的轉軌及拒卻標準，好不好？","最後，陳董請回，請黃副秘跟王院長，還有我要點一下我們屏東地院的李院長，不用上來，交接一下，副秘書長，你去屏東地院看過，我們屏東地院有一個司法園區的專案要推動嘛！我們希望未來的王院長接了之後要持續推動，因為這個案子很重要，要跟法務部、要跟國產署、要跟國土署都要去做共同協商，是不是請兩位共同承諾繼續推動，包括把我們的屏東地院，李院長很積極，地檢的陳檢察長也很積極，需要上面司法院跟法務部共同推動，可以承諾嗎？"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：我們一定會做好這部分的交接。"],["鍾委員佳濱：王院長有沒有交接到？"],["王院長梅英：只要是對我們司法環境有助益，這我們一定會大力去做的，謝謝委員。"],["鍾委員佳濱：那時候我們院長大力爭取說希望要有職務宿舍，目前全臺灣行政院新建的辦公廳舍一律沒有職務宿舍，都沒有了，只有哪裡？只有新蓋的屏東榮總有職務宿舍，你知道什麼原因嗎？因為蘇院長特別破例給這些辛苦的醫護人員要輪班，所以讓他們在新建的廳舍裡面有職務宿舍。未來如果司法園區能夠成立，它的占地面積等等各方面條件很好，未必要在同一個廳舍裡面，在附近就可以有職務宿舍，這一點請務必在你們未來的屏東，還有包括未來陸續更新的司法園區，一定要把我們司法人員的需求放進去，才能讓他們流動率降低，你不是說過屏東的流動率很大，是不是？如果不安定的話，我們這些比較偏遠的院留不住人，會對我們民眾的司法品質受到影響，好不好？拜託黃副秘書長，也祝你法官升任愉快，也拜託王院長好不好？接下燙手山芋，世代交替，臺灣隊加油、我們司法加油，謝謝。"],["黃副秘書長麟倫：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝鍾佳濱召委。","接下來有請鄭天財委員、鄭天財委員，鄭天財委員不在。","我們請下一位質詢是吳思瑤委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":358,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-36-16","speakers":["鍾佳濱","黃國昌","陳俊宇","林思銘","莊瑞雄","吳宗憲","吳思瑤","陳培瑜","翁曉玲","林淑芬","羅智強","沈發惠","謝龍介"],"page_start":171,"meetingDate":["2024-11-25"],"gazette_id":"11310702","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11310702_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第16次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於司法院及所屬主管收支部分；二、審查司法院函送財團\n法人法律扶助基金會114年度預算書案；三、繼續審查司法院函請審議「稅務行政事件審理法草\n案」案；四、繼續審查司法院函請審議「行政法院組織法部分條文修正草案」案【第一、二案僅\n進行詢答；第三、四案僅宣讀條文】","agenda_id":"11310702_00002"}}}