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00:01:01,251\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海洋委員會海巡署及所屬、海\n\n5\n00:01:15,370 --> 00:01:18,311\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海洋委員會部分。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海巡署及所屬、海\n\n6\n00:01:36,198 --> 00:01:39,040\n那當然我們預計就是說礁石的部分可能當然一定是有受傷的那這個部分我們未來都會經過調查比對以後應該要求賠償的部分我們都有全程的記錄希望就是在針對就是這個抽油的過程中就是真的是還很大就是很大的挑戰\n\n7\n00:02:00,815 --> 00:02:01,136\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海洋委員會海\n\n8\n00:02:19,178 --> 00:02:19,538\n海巡署及所屬、海巡署及所屬、海\n\n9\n00:02:38,396 --> 00:02:59,093\n對,我等一下會請陸署長再補充,但是先補充一點,好在這次的保險公司是一家優質的保險公司,所以他們請外國的專家都有一起來協處,我們全程都一起在海港局所主持的會議之下都一起在開會,他們的保險也高達10億美金之多,\n\n10\n00:02:59,693 --> 00:03:00,894\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海巡署及所屬、海\n\n11\n00:03:29,053 --> 00:03:32,275\n對,但是因為我看到我就想要問說你有沒有更好的設備在明年的預算但是我看到的就是預算裡面的話就是媒體政策及業務宣傳費經費暴增了三倍所以我一直問你就希望說你就是我們在對海洋的保護的設備你有沒有增加但是我看到的就是那個媒體跟業務宣傳\n\n12\n00:03:58,115 --> 00:03:59,216\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海洋委員會海\n\n13\n00:04:26,770 --> 00:04:27,951\n三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案關於海\n\n14\n00:04:39,571 --> 00:04:43,353\n就是高幅的增加,但是在我們在文宣描述的差不多,因為你的計畫差不多,但是你增加了三倍。追加這樣的媒體具體的預算就是看起來就是跟兩年前的計畫是一樣的。\n\n15\n00:04:58,663 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謝謝委員 謝謝對啊 對不對好 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