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00:00:25,687\n主席．議會各列席的官員．各部位的官員．部長．次長．各位同仁．首先是不是請經濟部長次聯次長．還有臺電的曾董事長正董事長委員好\n\n2\n00:00:31,538 --> 00:00:46,949\n首先我要特別恭喜中華隊贏得這次世界棒球12強強賽的冠軍,成功把冠軍獎盃從日本帶回台灣,跟國人共同來分享他的榮耀。\n\n3\n00:00:49,771 --> 00:01:09,705\n臺電棒球隊歷年來也培育出很多很厲害的這些國手12強賽中華隊的陳潔炫也曾是臺電棒球隊的一員本席也肯定臺電公司數十年來持續替臺灣體壇培育出很多優秀的選手\n\n4\n00:01:18,470 --> 00:01:40,836\n我請問臺電的曾董事長,1億4年速火有規劃擴大招募,有沒有?報告委員,我們會擴大招募,除此之外我們可能也會將我們的一些規則做一些調整,現在公司正在研議,那也跟委員報告,就是臺電的球員,我們現在是希望說,如果他們有可能進一步有機會到職業隊去比賽,\n\n5\n00:01:44,117 --> 00:01:56,862\n退役之後如果他願意回到臺電臺電依然會保留他的工作機會這個事情可以讓他們比較放心的願意到世界上舞臺比賽這也是一個加油鼓勵跟肯定\n\n6\n00:01:59,574 --> 00:02:27,817\n我想2023年美國前六大這個市長這個貨品的貿易逆差來源國依序排列為中國大陸、墨西哥、越南、德國、日本、加拿大還有我們台灣是排名第九名那現在美國總統當選人川普已經表示即將簽署行政命令針對墨西哥和加拿大\n\n7\n00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:30,899\n臺商外移美國社長的壓力（\n\n8\n00:02:55,931 --> 00:03:01,801\n那臺美避免雙重課稅協定是我又要再重新再談談判\n\n9\n00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:26,975\n臺商目前有在做一些應用措施臺商現在目前是做國際佈局但是因為剛剛委員有提到在墨西哥那一塊我們臺商這些電子產業在那一邊去那一部分可能會稍微受到一點衝擊目前我們也跟廠商說要怎麼在美國跟墨西哥這邊去做佈局\n\n10\n00:03:28,596 --> 00:03:30,057\n未來面對美國關稅的壓力﹖如何讓企業跟留臺灣﹖避免產業空洞化﹖\n\n11\n00:04:04,975 --> 00:04:31,564\n委員所談的有一些在墨西哥那邊投資量還蠻大的那他是輸出到美國那這一部分我們有請廠商要去做妥適的因應那至於其他機械工具機這一部分我們可能還會有點受益我認為這個要事前這個及早的規劃我想因為美國總統當選人川普表示就任後會盡快讓俄烏戰爭結束\n\n12\n00:04:34,707 --> 00:05:00,580\n而其提名的準國家安全顧問若茲表示為了讓俄羅斯坐上談判桌放鬆對俄國的制裁或許是一個誘因但目前我國經濟部為防堵我國高科技貨品涉入俄羅斯軍事的武器用途\n\n13\n00:05:01,448 --> 00:05:23,679\n那這種管制,多種工具機對俄羅斯出口,有管制很多的這些工具機對俄羅斯的出口那如果2025年美國跟歐洲國家相繼解除對俄羅斯管制時對此,我想經濟部的政策是否有根據歐美的做法而有所調整\n\n14\n00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:51,846\n我想這個要超前部署啦那搶佔先機還是你認為要維持管制的措施還是放棄俄羅斯的市場我們會配合整個國際的管制規定我們會配合國際啊到時候他們要是鬆綁的話你認為要怎麼做因為國際的規定如果鬆綁的話我們會檢討整個因應國際的鬆綁來做整個整體的一個檢討我認為這是活的啦不要一成不變啦我們就一定要跟國際對比\n\n15\n00:05:54,867 --> 00:06:10,060\n立法院預算中心研究指出,臺電發電燃料全數仰賴進口,火力發電成本因為國際市場影響而短期波動劇烈,火力電源配比近八成。\n\n16\n00:06:12,506 --> 00:06:12,706\n（財政委員（\n\n17\n00:06:33,676 --> 00:06:33,796\n主席\n\n18\n00:06:50,327 --> 00:07:17,882\n曾董事長因為本期希望尤其是檢調要徹查這些綠能的弊案他們都是一條龍的啦我相信那個曾董事長你很清楚政府要務實調整人員的政策配合2050年淨零排碳的目標引進國外最新的核能技術那我請問這個經濟部這個聯事長跟曾董事長你們有什麼看法\n\n19\n00:07:20,719 --> 00:07:33,207\n報告委員,第一個就是台灣的燃料、能源的部分長期仰賴進口這個是很久以來的事情,但是我們現在也希望能夠努力的提高我們自己能源自給率,以台灣來講\n\n20\n00:07:34,949 --> 00:07:45,636\n提供再生能源就是提高能源制止率那至於您提到的就是說再生能源是不是長期要由臺電來短購這個部裡面也在開始討論首先離岸風電他已經停止短購就是他直接賣給民間那臺電現在也在做綠電的小額的綠電的那個交易也希望把臺電買到的綠電能夠轉賣給民間需要的業者\n\n21\n00:08:01,966 --> 00:08:02,506\n臺電已經陸續在做,最先開始做的是臺電自己開發的案場。\n\n22\n00:08:24,580 --> 00:08:28,622\n臺電收購以後要怎麼轉售電力交易的部分要怎麼進行其實我們已經在規劃那最重要的是接下來電業法要修法也會把電力交易的制度更清楚的規劃起來到時候要請委員支持\n\n23\n00:08:46,673 --> 00:08:56,094\n像核電廠你要是把它整個透過法令修訂然後把它展延那個董事長你有什麼看法跟那個次長\n\n24\n00:08:57,822 --> 00:09:17,756\n報告委員,站在台電的立場,我們是事業單位,就是法規的規範如何做,我們就依照法規的規範來做。你們就配合,那次長你有什麼看法?因為目前那個法規沒修訂,我們要改立法規。對,那要是修訂呢?你們會不會配合?那這個東西本來在修訂就是要在合會料要能夠處理,而且要有全民共識的情況下。其實過去也那麼長啦。\n\n25\n00:09:18,496 --> 00:09:18,616\n主席\n\n26\n00:09:35,891 --> 00:09:42,913\n徵資2500億元（役後條例撥補500億（若再加上將在立法院審查2000億元的撥補經費（預計臺電的整個徵資加撥補的金額累計差不多5000億（但是電價這3年來已經漲了4次（也推升整個物價便當、無安眠所（包括乳酪飯、民眾外食費等等的（增加荷包的縮水（\n\n27\n00:10:03,459 --> 00:10:14,031\n那經濟部其實郭部長跟臺電的曾董事長你們也認為這次追加預算通過後虧損漏洞就可以補起來了嗎?你認為可不可以補起來?\n\n28\n00:10:16,578 --> 00:10:17,759\n所以說這是補漏洞?會不會變成無底洞?\n\n29\n00:10:36,315 --> 00:11:01,490\n報告委員剛才你提到是未來長期的財務規劃我們也有答應立法院我們要在年底前提出一個規劃報告那剛才我也跟您講了大致的方向包含就是說我們會將再生能源准購的部分開始從自己用台電自己的先釋放然後把電力交易市場建立起來因為再生能源現在是我們的產業要出口需要的一個生產要素\n\n30\n00:11:02,430 --> 00:11:28,266\n希望台電買到的不用放在台電手上如果可以轉出去我們就會轉出去本期是希望說不要變成無底洞因為台電的虧損一直在擴大而且好像沒有斷而且你不是給民間漲價那不然就是要補這個漏洞而且是一條龍的貪汙講實在話我們都清清楚楚的老百姓我們走到哪裡尤其基層大家都在罵\n\n31\n00:11:28,786 --> 00:11:55,861\n那個跟委員報告我覺得您也是臺電的眷屬我要說一件事臺電沒有貪汙這件事真的要跟委員報告我跟你講不是你們貪汙就是政府縱容他們綠電光電大家清清楚楚你包括這一次這個臺研也是一樣啊對不對它上面勾結下面整個一條龍大家心知肚明那為什麼會虧損年年這個都有關係啦我相信政府要檢討啦\n\n32\n00:11:56,601 --> 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出口需要的一個生產要素\n希望台電買到的不用放在台電手上如果可以轉出去我們就會轉出去本期是希望說不要變成無底洞因為台電的虧損一直在擴大而且好像沒有斷而且你不是給民間漲價那不然就是要補這個漏洞而且是一條龍的貪汙講實在話我們都清清楚楚的老百姓我們走到哪裡尤其基層大家都在罵\n那個跟委員報告我覺得您也是臺電的眷屬我要說一件事臺電沒有貪汙這件事真的要跟委員報告我跟你講不是你們貪汙就是政府縱容他們綠電光電大家清清楚楚你包括這一次這個臺研也是一樣啊對不對它上面勾結下面整個一條龍大家心知肚明那為什麼會虧損年年這個都有關係啦我相信政府要檢討啦\n吳秉瑞委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.768 --> 00:25.687\n主席．議會各列席的官員．各部位的官員．部長．次長．各位同仁．首先是不是請經濟部長次聯次長．還有臺電的曾董事長正董事長委員好\n\n00:31.538 --> 00:46.949\n首先我要特別恭喜中華隊贏得這次世界棒球12強強賽的冠軍,成功把冠軍獎盃從日本帶回台灣,跟國人共同來分享他的榮耀。\n\n00:49.771 --> 01:09.705\n臺電棒球隊歷年來也培育出很多很厲害的這些國手12強賽中華隊的陳潔炫也曾是臺電棒球隊的一員本席也肯定臺電公司數十年來持續替臺灣體壇培育出很多優秀的選手\n\n01:18.470 --> 01:40.836\n我請問臺電的曾董事長,1億4年速火有規劃擴大招募,有沒有?報告委員,我們會擴大招募,除此之外我們可能也會將我們的一些規則做一些調整,現在公司正在研議,那也跟委員報告,就是臺電的球員,我們現在是希望說,如果他們有可能進一步有機會到職業隊去比賽,\n\n01:44.117 --> 01:56.862\n退役之後如果他願意回到臺電臺電依然會保留他的工作機會這個事情可以讓他們比較放心的願意到世界上舞臺比賽這也是一個加油鼓勵跟肯定\n\n01:59.574 --> 02:27.817\n我想2023年美國前六大這個市長這個貨品的貿易逆差來源國依序排列為中國大陸、墨西哥、越南、德國、日本、加拿大還有我們台灣是排名第九名那現在美國總統當選人川普已經表示即將簽署行政命令針對墨西哥和加拿大\n\n02:29.919 --> 02:30.899\n臺商外移美國社長的壓力（\n\n02:55.931 --> 03:01.801\n那臺美避免雙重課稅協定是我又要再重新再談談判\n\n03:05.280 --> 03:26.975\n臺商目前有在做一些應用措施臺商現在目前是做國際佈局但是因為剛剛委員有提到在墨西哥那一塊我們臺商這些電子產業在那一邊去那一部分可能會稍微受到一點衝擊目前我們也跟廠商說要怎麼在美國跟墨西哥這邊去做佈局\n\n03:28.596 --> 03:30.057\n未來面對美國關稅的壓力﹖如何讓企業跟留臺灣﹖避免產業空洞化﹖\n\n04:04.975 --> 04:31.564\n委員所談的有一些在墨西哥那邊投資量還蠻大的那他是輸出到美國那這一部分我們有請廠商要去做妥適的因應那至於其他機械工具機這一部分我們可能還會有點受益我認為這個要事前這個及早的規劃我想因為美國總統當選人川普表示就任後會盡快讓俄烏戰爭結束\n\n04:34.707 --> 05:00.580\n而其提名的準國家安全顧問若茲表示為了讓俄羅斯坐上談判桌放鬆對俄國的制裁或許是一個誘因但目前我國經濟部為防堵我國高科技貨品涉入俄羅斯軍事的武器用途\n\n05:01.448 --> 05:23.679\n那這種管制,多種工具機對俄羅斯出口,有管制很多的這些工具機對俄羅斯的出口那如果2025年美國跟歐洲國家相繼解除對俄羅斯管制時對此,我想經濟部的政策是否有根據歐美的做法而有所調整\n\n05:25.040 --> 05:51.846\n我想這個要超前部署啦那搶佔先機還是你認為要維持管制的措施還是放棄俄羅斯的市場我們會配合整個國際的管制規定我們會配合國際啊到時候他們要是鬆綁的話你認為要怎麼做因為國際的規定如果鬆綁的話我們會檢討整個因應國際的鬆綁來做整個整體的一個檢討我認為這是活的啦不要一成不變啦我們就一定要跟國際對比\n\n05:54.867 --> 06:10.060\n立法院預算中心研究指出,臺電發電燃料全數仰賴進口,火力發電成本因為國際市場影響而短期波動劇烈,火力電源配比近八成。\n\n06:12.506 --> 06:12.706\n（財政委員（\n\n06:33.676 --> 06:33.796\n主席\n\n06:50.327 --> 07:17.882\n曾董事長因為本期希望尤其是檢調要徹查這些綠能的弊案他們都是一條龍的啦我相信那個曾董事長你很清楚政府要務實調整人員的政策配合2050年淨零排碳的目標引進國外最新的核能技術那我請問這個經濟部這個聯事長跟曾董事長你們有什麼看法\n\n07:20.719 --> 07:33.207\n報告委員,第一個就是台灣的燃料、能源的部分長期仰賴進口這個是很久以來的事情,但是我們現在也希望能夠努力的提高我們自己能源自給率,以台灣來講\n\n07:34.949 --> 07:45.636\n提供再生能源就是提高能源制止率那至於您提到的就是說再生能源是不是長期要由臺電來短購這個部裡面也在開始討論首先離岸風電他已經停止短購就是他直接賣給民間那臺電現在也在做綠電的小額的綠電的那個交易也希望把臺電買到的綠電能夠轉賣給民間需要的業者\n\n08:01.966 --> 08:02.506\n臺電已經陸續在做,最先開始做的是臺電自己開發的案場。\n\n08:24.580 --> 08:28.622\n臺電收購以後要怎麼轉售電力交易的部分要怎麼進行其實我們已經在規劃那最重要的是接下來電業法要修法也會把電力交易的制度更清楚的規劃起來到時候要請委員支持\n\n08:46.673 --> 08:56.094\n像核電廠你要是把它整個透過法令修訂然後把它展延那個董事長你有什麼看法跟那個次長\n\n08:57.822 --> 09:17.756\n報告委員,站在台電的立場,我們是事業單位,就是法規的規範如何做,我們就依照法規的規範來做。你們就配合,那次長你有什麼看法?因為目前那個法規沒修訂,我們要改立法規。對,那要是修訂呢?你們會不會配合?那這個東西本來在修訂就是要在合會料要能夠處理,而且要有全民共識的情況下。其實過去也那麼長啦。\n\n09:18.496 --> 09:18.616\n主席\n\n09:35.891 --> 09:42.913\n徵資2500億元（役後條例撥補500億（若再加上將在立法院審查2000億元的撥補經費（預計臺電的整個徵資加撥補的金額累計差不多5000億（但是電價這3年來已經漲了4次（也推升整個物價便當、無安眠所（包括乳酪飯、民眾外食費等等的（增加荷包的縮水（\n\n10:03.459 --> 10:14.031\n那經濟部其實郭部長跟臺電的曾董事長你們也認為這次追加預算通過後虧損漏洞就可以補起來了嗎?你認為可不可以補起來?\n\n10:16.578 --> 10:17.759\n所以說這是補漏洞?會不會變成無底洞?\n\n10:36.315 --> 11:01.490\n報告委員剛才你提到是未來長期的財務規劃我們也有答應立法院我們要在年底前提出一個規劃報告那剛才我也跟您講了大致的方向包含就是說我們會將再生能源准購的部分開始從自己用台電自己的先釋放然後把電力交易市場建立起來因為再生能源現在是我們的產業要出口需要的一個生產要素\n\n11:02.430 --> 11:28.266\n希望台電買到的不用放在台電手上如果可以轉出去我們就會轉出去本期是希望說不要變成無底洞因為台電的虧損一直在擴大而且好像沒有斷而且你不是給民間漲價那不然就是要補這個漏洞而且是一條龍的貪汙講實在話我們都清清楚楚的老百姓我們走到哪裡尤其基層大家都在罵\n\n11:28.786 --> 11:55.861\n那個跟委員報告我覺得您也是臺電的眷屬我要說一件事臺電沒有貪汙這件事真的要跟委員報告我跟你講不是你們貪汙就是政府縱容他們綠電光電大家清清楚楚你包括這一次這個臺研也是一樣啊對不對它上面勾結下面整個一條龍大家心知肚明那為什麼會虧損年年這個都有關係啦我相信政府要檢討啦\n\n11:56.601 --> 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美的作法而有所調整？我想這個要超前部署、搶占先機，你認為要維持管制的措施還是放棄俄羅斯的市場？"],["連次長錦漳：我們會配合整個國際的管制規定。"],["林委員德福：到時候他們要是鬆綁的話，你認為要怎麼做？"],["連次長錦漳：國際的規定如果鬆綁的話，我們會因應國際的鬆綁來做整體的檢討。"],["林委員德福：我認為這是活的啦！"],["連次長錦漳：對、對、對。"],["林委員德福：不要一成不變。"],["連次長錦漳：我們一定要跟國際對比。"],["林委員德福：這樣喔，好。立法院預算中心研究指出，台電發電燃料全數仰賴進口，火力發電成本屢因國際市場影響而短期波動劇烈，火力電源配比差不多將近八成，恐增供電成本控管不易之風險。此外，躉購費率較高的離岸風電陸續完工併聯，推升再生能源購電成本，台電增加民營再生能源的購電量，營運虧損隨之上升，本席希望政府不要瘦了台電而肥這些綠能財團，受害的不只台電，更是全體納稅人的荷包。","曾董事長，本席希望尤其是檢調，要徹查這些綠能的弊案，他們都是一條龍，我相信曾董事長你很清楚，政府要務實調整能源的政策，配合2050年淨零排碳的目標，引進國外最新的核能技術，請問經濟部連次長跟曾董事長，你們有什麼看法？"],["曾董事長文生：報告委員，第一個就是臺灣的燃料、能源的部分長期仰賴進口，這是很久以來的事情，但是我們現在也希望能夠努力提高我們自己的能源自給率，以臺灣來講，提升再生能源就是提高能源自給率。至於您提到的，就是說再生能源是不是長期要由台電來躉購？這個部裡面也在開始討論，首先，離岸風電已經停止躉購，就是它直接賣給民間，台電現在也在做小額的綠電交易，也希望把台電買到的綠電能夠轉賣給民間需要的業者，這個當然就會減少台電在躉購的比例，這個部分當然某種程度上來講也可以……因為躉購的價格還是高於平均售電的價格。"],["林委員德福：對啊！"],["曾董事長文生：這樣就可以減少我們整個成本的結構，這個工作其實台電現在已經陸續在做，最先開始做的是台電自己開發的案場，接下來我們從民間買來的案場，依照再生能源發展條例，民間自己可以轉出去，那台電收購以後要怎麼轉售、電力交易的部分要怎麼進行，其實我們已經在規劃，最重要的是，接下來電業法要修法，也會把電力交易的制度更清楚地規劃起來，到時候要請委員支持。"],["林委員德福：像核電廠，你要是整個透過法令修訂，然後把它展延，董事長、次長，你們有什麼看法？"],["曾董事長文生：報告委員，站在台電的立場，我們是事業單位，就是法規的規範如何做，我們就依照法規規範來進行。"],["林委員德福：你們就配合。次長，你有什麼看法？"],["連次長錦漳：因為目前法規沒修訂，我們還是依法……"],["林委員德福：對，要是修訂呢？你們會不會配合？"],["連次長錦漳：這個東西本來修訂就是要……第一個，核廢料要能夠處理，而且要有全民共識的情況下……"],["林委員德福：其實過去也那麼長啦，今天就是因為核電的關係，尤其再加上很多綠能都是一條龍，我相信大家清清楚楚，因為電力價格攸關產業競爭力及物價水準，政府已編列給台電增資2,500億元，疫後條例撥補500億，若再加上將在立法院審查2,000億元的撥補經費，預計台電整個增資加撥補的金額累計差不多5,000億，但是電價這三年來已經漲了4次，也推升整個物價像便當、蚵仔麵線、滷肉飯、民眾外食費等等的增加，荷包的縮水，經濟部郭部長跟台電曾董事長，你們也認為這次追加預算通過後，虧損漏洞就可以補起來了嗎？你認為可不可以補起來？"],["曾董事長文生：跟委員報告，就台電的理解，這一次的補貼基本上是針對2022、2023這幾年台電已經預先因為沒有漲電價而做的政策負擔……"],["林委員德福：所以這是補漏洞？會不會變成無底洞？"],["曾董事長文生：不是補漏洞。報告委員，剛才你提到的是未來長期的財務規劃，而長期的財務規劃，我們也有答應立法院要在年底前提出一個規劃報告。剛才我也跟你講了大致的方向，包含我們會將再生能源躉購的部分開始從台電自己的先釋放，然後把電力交易市場建立起來，因為再生能源現在是我們的產業要出口需要的一個生產要素，希望台電買到的不用放在台電手上，如果可以轉出去，我們就會轉出去。"],["林委員德福：本席希望不要變成無底洞。"],["曾董事長文生：不會，我們會儘快改善。"],["林委員德福：因為台電的虧損一直在擴大，而且好像沒有斷，你不是給民間漲價，不然就是要補這個漏洞，而且是一條龍的貪污，講實在話，我們都清清楚楚，我們走到哪裡，尤其是基層，老百姓、大家都在罵。"],["曾董事長文生：跟委員報告，我覺得您也是台電的眷屬，我要說一件事，台電沒有貪污啦！這件事情真的要跟委員報告。"],["林委員德福：我跟你講，不是你們貪污，就是政府縱容他們綠電、光電，大家清清楚楚，包括這次臺鹽也是一樣，對不對？它上面勾結下面，整個一條龍，大家心知肚明！為什麼會虧損連連？這個都有關係啦，我相信政府要檢討。"],["連次長錦漳：委員，這個目前法務部已經在嚴查了。"],["主席：好，謝謝林德福委員，接著請吳秉叡委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":96,"meet_id":"聯席會議-11-2-20,19-1","speakers":["賴惠員","林德福","吳秉叡","賴士葆","郭國文","賴瑞隆","顏寬恒","鄭正鈐","張啓楷","陳玉珍","陳亭妃","黃珊珊","李坤城","鄭天財Sra 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