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00:02:23,223\n因為前面那九個案我們接獲了以後大概一個禮拜以後分析以後大概都是從境外進來的境外跳板進來的所以大概一個禮拜以內那現在就是因為我看到報告裡面也有提到之前有那個什麼一個張信的也是很愛做恐嚇嘛對不對然後一直到現在這一個案件那我們要怎麼去\n\n7\n00:02:23,923 --> 00:02:25,024\n警政署應對案件的SOP是怎樣?\n\n8\n00:02:52,042 --> 00:03:09,665\n因為我們接到報案以後第一時間當然是分析這個郵件的來源那基本上他一定是這段期間有一些特定的議題他才會發出這些這個恐怖的郵件那我們發現以後當然就是說我們的\n\n9\n00:03:10,746 --> 00:03:31,471\n我們當然平常就有注重這種追查科技偵查的這個技巧那案件發生以後當然是陸陸續續發生以後我們當然研判這個案件的由來那由來我們當然一直追查有透過剛剛國安局的報告還有我們手上的資料有14個國家他從\n\n10\n00:03:33,410 --> 00:03:39,679\n特定的地點然後透過14個國家的跳板再到我們這邊來這一次包括有14個機構公部門還有私部門的機構接到這些郵件\n\n11\n00:03:49,633 --> 00:04:02,883\n我為什麼這樣問就是因為假設我們能夠蒐集的案件越充足我們越能夠去比對說他到底是什麼時候開始什麼時候開始他已經有練兵的傾向因為我之前我有說過我很經常的收到這些釣魚案件\n\n12\n00:04:04,364 --> 00:04:30,216\n這些釣魚有些可能是來自於境外有些可能是境內然後我後來呢去問一些我們譬如說我們在這邊的民意代表或是我們黨籍的地方的民意代表我後來才發現大家都很常收到但是恐嚇大家第一時間一定會反應但如果是釣魚信件大家不一定會去回報他可能就啊那釣魚就把它弄過去但其實呢我照理說應該要有一個比較完善的機制我們應該要urge這些尤其是政府的公務人員\n\n13\n00:04:31,156 --> 00:04:47,923\n而且有些是民意代表他對這個比較不熟悉有些在公務體系的你可以去說你要記得要回報但是民意代表他不一定會做這樣的事情但如果說因為民意代表是一個非常重要他們能夠釣魚比如說在立法院他們要能夠取得機密事項什麼等等之類還想要去攻破你的電腦\n\n14\n00:04:48,923 --> 00:05:15,565\n如果有更大的這個數據的收集我們知道他們什麼時候對大量的人不管是委員還是地方的議員去送了這個釣魚信件那這個時候再去用一樣的方式像剛剛講的如果發現它的來源它是來自於哪些IP來自於哪些國家然後再跟後面的這個口號案件做比對的時候可能會發現更多的線索而且我們在預判的時候可能會更為精準那所以這邊我們以後之後也會建議就是有可能不一定要透過修法\n\n15\n00:05:15,965 --> 00:05:16,305\n主席文化部\n\n16\n00:05:38,951 --> 00:05:47,381\n現在對我來說是比較困擾的一件事情就是除了這一次這個國有器官的議題之外我們現在也有像馬龍有幾個相關的運動員他們現在也要來到台灣當然其實陸委會是說沒問題\n\n17\n00:05:56,832 --> 00:06:25,067\n但我現在比較擔心的就是我們看到這個文化部的立場當然是認為說兩岸交流我們不一定不能停嘛對不對他們本來就是有各式各樣的交流但中國的交流畢竟還是帶有非常強大的一個政治目的我還記得在很多年以前我們對於藝人去那邊開演唱會去那邊交流我們都抱持著開放的態度嘛他們想要賺錢那也是他的事情但現在呢我們已經面臨到非常多的狀況第一個就是藝人本身的言論已經越來越偏激了\n\n18\n00:06:25,527 --> 00:06:48,243\n現在已經有藝人可以直接講出台獨死路一條這句話而且是越來越多人講這句話那這個對我們來講就已經是有可能會踩到紅線那更不要講說呢今天有些藝人他可能本身並沒有什麼問題但他可能在台灣去接觸別的人像我們最近爆發的這一個這個軍人說什麼會五星旗這個案件他最早也是透過宗教的交流\n\n19\n00:06:48,883 --> 00:07:08,622\n他先透過宗教的交流之後呢再由那個宗教的人去接觸一個現役的軍人然後再由現役的軍人說拍一個影片然後揮個五星旗然後做成短影片在中國播放所以這種事情變得越來越多的狀況之下我們也知道照理說在這一個的安全上國家安全的維護上面國安局\n\n20\n00:07:09,122 --> 00:07:34,370\n跟這個陸委會當然是非常重要的決策單位那我們一般但因為陸委會他畢竟他是有點類似幕僚單位他的執法或者說他們今天去查緝或者去規範的量能絕對沒有第一線其他的機關來得更快那所以說就文化部的一個立場就是說在以後針對這些兩岸交流他有風險的狀況之下是不是可能每一個部門開始要自己的一些SOP\n\n21\n00:07:35,322 --> 00:07:58,360\n跟委員說明其實這些不管是因為什麼理由只要是跟文化相關的理由譬如說他是因為拍電影要來或者是因為要演唱會要來其實文化部在這一關是協助內政部跟陸委會我們其實是共同有做一個審查的也就是說我們其實還是會基於他來台灣的目的而且也會在裡面要求他他來台灣的時候不能做他目的以外的事情也不能從事對台灣影響兩岸的平等原則這一類的發言所以如果說\n\n22\n00:08:02,984 --> 00:08:22,190\n他已經有這樣的發言紀錄他基本上就會列成他審查的條件的考量之一所以也並不是說他只要說要來都可以來基本上還是有一個審查的程序在那他如果說過去其實沒有什麼不良紀錄那他這次來了之後有不好的發言的時候那當然就依據台灣的法律再來做規範\n\n23\n00:08:23,115 --> 00:08:49,327\n對但我們現在比較擔心的就是這個目的以外的行為很不好像上次有這個記者的事件他做了目的以外的行為但我們其實不知道這後來有人爆出來了但他人也已經離境了所以就是說今天我們在查這件事情的量能的時候我們知道他不能做目的以外的行為但我們有時候無法得知他有沒有去做目的以外的行為那所以這個之後呢不管是透過修法還是增加量能我們必須可能對這些事情要有更強烈的一些態度那因為時間到了我大概問到這邊謝謝謝委員長謝謝沈伯洋委員來副部長請\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1252\t3458\t謝謝主席 有請副局長 還有警政署副署長 謝謝\n15550\t33499\t喂好你好那這個目前我們這個中國的威脅當然是加劇但是最近其實統戰活動也真的非常的多然後加上這一次的恐嚇案件應該是層出不窮那我大概有幾個小問題想要先確認一下就是說這個一開始我們這一個事件發生的時候呢然後就發現說有這一個\n35440\t62975\t按照報告指出有炸彈恐嚇的訊息目前共計30案等等之類的那我想問一下就是說第一個就是我們的反應時間目前來講就是說這件事情它從發生一直到第一個我們接獲訊息接獲訊息之後我們馬上處理這個處理的時間大概是多快以及我們是多快去研判說這一個可能是由敵對國家的勢力所發出的\n66025\t82672\t跟委員報告相關的實際的應處我們在接獲這個民眾通報以後就立刻應處那處理查處溯源這些因為是透由我們的警政署刑事局協助那是不是由刑事局來協助\n87321\t116801\t我想跟委員所詢問的我們轄區的警察單位接到報案以後都第一時間的趕到現場去處理然後接受相關不管是公部門或是相關的業者的報案我們進行處理像我們一開始9個案件以後分析就馬上報到這個我們這個刑事局的專案小組來彙整那大概是多快研判到說是跟境外有關\n121985\t143223\t因為前面那九個案我們接獲了以後大概一個禮拜以後分析以後大概都是從境外進來的境外跳板進來的所以大概一個禮拜以內那現在就是因為我看到報告裡面也有提到之前有那個什麼一個張信的也是很愛做恐嚇嘛對不對然後一直到現在這一個案件那我們要怎麼去\n143923\t145024\t警政署應對案件的SOP是怎樣?\n172042\t189665\t因為我們接到報案以後第一時間當然是分析這個郵件的來源那基本上他一定是這段期間有一些特定的議題他才會發出這些這個恐怖的郵件那我們發現以後當然就是說我們的\n190746\t211471\t我們當然平常就有注重這種追查科技偵查的這個技巧那案件發生以後當然是陸陸續續發生以後我們當然研判這個案件的由來那由來我們當然一直追查有透過剛剛國安局的報告還有我們手上的資料有14個國家他從\n213410\t219679\t特定的地點然後透過14個國家的跳板再到我們這邊來這一次包括有14個機構公部門還有私部門的機構接到這些郵件\n229633\t242883\t我為什麼這樣問就是因為假設我們能夠蒐集的案件越充足我們越能夠去比對說他到底是什麼時候開始什麼時候開始他已經有練兵的傾向因為我之前我有說過我很經常的收到這些釣魚案件\n244364\t270216\t這些釣魚有些可能是來自於境外有些可能是境內然後我後來呢去問一些我們譬如說我們在這邊的民意代表或是我們黨籍的地方的民意代表我後來才發現大家都很常收到但是恐嚇大家第一時間一定會反應但如果是釣魚信件大家不一定會去回報他可能就啊那釣魚就把它弄過去但其實呢我照理說應該要有一個比較完善的機制我們應該要 urge這些尤其是政府的公務人員\n271156\t287923\t而且有些是民意代表他對這個比較不熟悉有些在公務體系的你可以去說你要記得要回報但是民意代表他不一定會做這樣的事情但如果說因為民意代表是一個非常重要他們能夠釣魚比如說在立法院他們要能夠取得機密事項什麼等等之類還想要去攻破你的電腦\n288923\t315565\t如果有更大的這個數據的收集我們知道他們什麼時候對大量的人不管是委員還是地方的議員去送了這個釣魚信件那這個時候再去用一樣的方式像剛剛講的如果發現它的來源它是來自於哪些IP來自於哪些國家然後再跟後面的這個口號案件做比對的時候可能會發現更多的線索而且我們在預判的時候可能會更為精準那所以這邊我們以後之後也會建議就是有可能不一定要透過修法\n315965\t316305\t主席文化部\n338951\t347381\t現在對我來說是比較困擾的一件事情就是除了這一次這個國有器官的議題之外我們現在也有像馬龍有幾個相關的運動員他們現在也要來到台灣當然其實陸委會是說沒問題\n356832\t385067\t但我現在比較擔心的就是我們看到這個文化部的立場當然是認為說兩岸交流我們不一定不能停嘛 對不對他們本來就是有各式各樣的交流但中國的交流畢竟還是帶有非常強大的一個政治目的我還記得在很多年以前我們對於藝人去那邊開演唱會去那邊交流我們都抱持著開放的態度嘛他們想要賺錢那也是他的事情但現在呢我們已經面臨到非常多的狀況第一個就是藝人本身的言論已經越來越偏激了\n385527\t408243\t現在已經有藝人可以直接講出台獨死路一條這句話而且是越來越多人講這句話那這個對我們來講就已經是有可能會踩到紅線那更不要講說呢今天有些藝人他可能本身並沒有什麼問題但他可能在台灣去接觸別的人像我們最近爆發的這一個這個軍人說什麼會五星旗這個案件他最早也是透過宗教的交流\n408883\t428622\t他先透過宗教的交流之後呢再由那個宗教的人去接觸一個現役的軍人然後再由現役的軍人說拍一個影片然後揮個五星旗然後做成短影片在中國播放所以這種事情變得越來越多的狀況之下我們也知道照理說在這一個的安全上國家安全的維護上面國安局\n429122\t454370\t跟這個陸委會當然是非常重要的決策單位那我們一般但因為陸委會他畢竟他是有點類似幕僚單位他的執法或者說他們今天去查緝或者去規範的量能絕對沒有第一線其他的機關來得更快那所以說就文化部的一個立場就是說在以後針對這些兩岸交流他有風險的狀況之下是不是可能每一個部門開始要自己的一些SOP\n455322\t478360\t跟委員說明其實這些不管是因為什麼理由只要是跟文化相關的理由譬如說他是因為拍電影要來或者是因為要演唱會要來其實文化部在這一關是協助內政部跟陸委會我們其實是共同有做一個審查的也就是說我們其實還是會基於他來台灣的目的而且也會在裡面要求他他來台灣的時候不能做他目的以外的事情也不能從事對台灣影響兩岸的平等原則這一類的發言所以如果說\n482984\t502190\t他已經有這樣的發言紀錄他基本上就會列成他審查的條件的考量之一所以也並不是說他只要說要來都可以來基本上還是有一個審查的程序在那他如果說過去其實沒有什麼不良紀錄那他這次來了之後有不好的發言的時候那當然就依據台灣的法律再來做規範\n503115\t529327\t對 但我們現在比較擔心的就是這個目的以外的行為很不好像上次有這個記者的事件他做了目的以外的行為但我們其實不知道這後來有人爆出來了但他人也已經離境了所以就是說今天我們在查這件事情的量能的時候我們知道他不能做目的以外的行為但我們有時候無法得知他有沒有去做目的以外的行為那所以這個之後呢不管是透過修法還是增加量能我們必須可能對這些事情要有更強烈的一些態度那因為時間到了我大概問到這邊謝謝 謝委員長謝謝沈伯洋委員來 副部長請\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請副局長 還有警政署副署長 謝謝\n喂好你好那這個目前我們這個中國的威脅當然是加劇但是最近其實統戰活動也真的非常的多然後加上這一次的恐嚇案件應該是層出不窮那我大概有幾個小問題想要先確認一下就是說這個一開始我們這一個事件發生的時候呢然後就發現說有這一個\n按照報告指出有炸彈恐嚇的訊息目前共計30案等等之類的那我想問一下就是說第一個就是我們的反應時間目前來講就是說這件事情它從發生一直到第一個我們接獲訊息接獲訊息之後我們馬上處理這個處理的時間大概是多快以及我們是多快去研判說這一個可能是由敵對國家的勢力所發出的\n跟委員報告相關的實際的應處我們在接獲這個民眾通報以後就立刻應處那處理查處溯源這些因為是透由我們的警政署刑事局協助那是不是由刑事局來協助\n我想跟委員所詢問的我們轄區的警察單位接到報案以後都第一時間的趕到現場去處理然後接受相關不管是公部門或是相關的業者的報案我們進行處理像我們一開始9個案件以後分析就馬上報到這個我們這個刑事局的專案小組來彙整那大概是多快研判到說是跟境外有關\n因為前面那九個案我們接獲了以後大概一個禮拜以後分析以後大概都是從境外進來的境外跳板進來的所以大概一個禮拜以內那現在就是因為我看到報告裡面也有提到之前有那個什麼一個張信的也是很愛做恐嚇嘛對不對然後一直到現在這一個案件那我們要怎麼去\n警政署應對案件的SOP是怎樣?\n因為我們接到報案以後第一時間當然是分析這個郵件的來源那基本上他一定是這段期間有一些特定的議題他才會發出這些這個恐怖的郵件那我們發現以後當然就是說我們的\n我們當然平常就有注重這種追查科技偵查的這個技巧那案件發生以後當然是陸陸續續發生以後我們當然研判這個案件的由來那由來我們當然一直追查有透過剛剛國安局的報告還有我們手上的資料有14個國家他從\n特定的地點然後透過14個國家的跳板再到我們這邊來這一次包括有14個機構公部門還有私部門的機構接到這些郵件\n我為什麼這樣問就是因為假設我們能夠蒐集的案件越充足我們越能夠去比對說他到底是什麼時候開始什麼時候開始他已經有練兵的傾向因為我之前我有說過我很經常的收到這些釣魚案件\n這些釣魚有些可能是來自於境外有些可能是境內然後我後來呢去問一些我們譬如說我們在這邊的民意代表或是我們黨籍的地方的民意代表我後來才發現大家都很常收到但是恐嚇大家第一時間一定會反應但如果是釣魚信件大家不一定會去回報他可能就啊那釣魚就把它弄過去但其實呢我照理說應該要有一個比較完善的機制我們應該要 urge這些尤其是政府的公務人員\n而且有些是民意代表他對這個比較不熟悉有些在公務體系的你可以去說你要記得要回報但是民意代表他不一定會做這樣的事情但如果說因為民意代表是一個非常重要他們能夠釣魚比如說在立法院他們要能夠取得機密事項什麼等等之類還想要去攻破你的電腦\n如果有更大的這個數據的收集我們知道他們什麼時候對大量的人不管是委員還是地方的議員去送了這個釣魚信件那這個時候再去用一樣的方式像剛剛講的如果發現它的來源它是來自於哪些IP來自於哪些國家然後再跟後面的這個口號案件做比對的時候可能會發現更多的線索而且我們在預判的時候可能會更為精準那所以這邊我們以後之後也會建議就是有可能不一定要透過修法\n主席文化部\n現在對我來說是比較困擾的一件事情就是除了這一次這個國有器官的議題之外我們現在也有像馬龍有幾個相關的運動員他們現在也要來到台灣當然其實陸委會是說沒問題\n但我現在比較擔心的就是我們看到這個文化部的立場當然是認為說兩岸交流我們不一定不能停嘛 對不對他們本來就是有各式各樣的交流但中國的交流畢竟還是帶有非常強大的一個政治目的我還記得在很多年以前我們對於藝人去那邊開演唱會去那邊交流我們都抱持著開放的態度嘛他們想要賺錢那也是他的事情但現在呢我們已經面臨到非常多的狀況第一個就是藝人本身的言論已經越來越偏激了\n現在已經有藝人可以直接講出台獨死路一條這句話而且是越來越多人講這句話那這個對我們來講就已經是有可能會踩到紅線那更不要講說呢今天有些藝人他可能本身並沒有什麼問題但他可能在台灣去接觸別的人像我們最近爆發的這一個這個軍人說什麼會五星旗這個案件他最早也是透過宗教的交流\n他先透過宗教的交流之後呢再由那個宗教的人去接觸一個現役的軍人然後再由現役的軍人說拍一個影片然後揮個五星旗然後做成短影片在中國播放所以這種事情變得越來越多的狀況之下我們也知道照理說在這一個的安全上國家安全的維護上面國安局\n跟這個陸委會當然是非常重要的決策單位那我們一般但因為陸委會他畢竟他是有點類似幕僚單位他的執法或者說他們今天去查緝或者去規範的量能絕對沒有第一線其他的機關來得更快那所以說就文化部的一個立場就是說在以後針對這些兩岸交流他有風險的狀況之下是不是可能每一個部門開始要自己的一些SOP\n跟委員說明其實這些不管是因為什麼理由只要是跟文化相關的理由譬如說他是因為拍電影要來或者是因為要演唱會要來其實文化部在這一關是協助內政部跟陸委會我們其實是共同有做一個審查的也就是說我們其實還是會基於他來台灣的目的而且也會在裡面要求他他來台灣的時候不能做他目的以外的事情也不能從事對台灣影響兩岸的平等原則這一類的發言所以如果說\n他已經有這樣的發言紀錄他基本上就會列成他審查的條件的考量之一所以也並不是說他只要說要來都可以來基本上還是有一個審查的程序在那他如果說過去其實沒有什麼不良紀錄那他這次來了之後有不好的發言的時候那當然就依據台灣的法律再來做規範\n對 但我們現在比較擔心的就是這個目的以外的行為很不好像上次有這個記者的事件他做了目的以外的行為但我們其實不知道這後來有人爆出來了但他人也已經離境了所以就是說今天我們在查這件事情的量能的時候我們知道他不能做目的以外的行為但我們有時候無法得知他有沒有去做目的以外的行為那所以這個之後呢不管是透過修法還是增加量能我們必須可能對這些事情要有更強烈的一些態度那因為時間到了我大概問到這邊謝謝 謝委員長謝謝沈伯洋委員來 副部長請\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.252 --> 00:03.458\n謝謝主席有請副局長還有警政署副署長謝謝\n\n00:15.550 --> 00:33.499\n喂好你好那這個目前我們這個中國的威脅當然是加劇但是最近其實統戰活動也真的非常的多然後加上這一次的恐嚇案件應該是層出不窮那我大概有幾個小問題想要先確認一下就是說這個一開始我們這一個事件發生的時候呢然後就發現說有這一個\n\n00:35.440 --> 01:02.975\n按照報告指出有炸彈恐嚇的訊息目前共計30案等等之類的那我想問一下就是說第一個就是我們的反應時間目前來講就是說這件事情它從發生一直到第一個我們接獲訊息接獲訊息之後我們馬上處理這個處理的時間大概是多快以及我們是多快去研判說這一個可能是由敵對國家的勢力所發出的\n\n01:06.025 --> 01:22.672\n跟委員報告相關的實際的應處我們在接獲這個民眾通報以後就立刻應處那處理查處溯源這些因為是透由我們的警政署刑事局協助那是不是由刑事局來協助\n\n01:27.321 --> 01:56.801\n我想跟委員所詢問的我們轄區的警察單位接到報案以後都第一時間的趕到現場去處理然後接受相關不管是公部門或是相關的業者的報案我們進行處理像我們一開始9個案件以後分析就馬上報到這個我們這個刑事局的專案小組來彙整那大概是多快研判到說是跟境外有關\n\n02:01.985 --> 02:23.223\n因為前面那九個案我們接獲了以後大概一個禮拜以後分析以後大概都是從境外進來的境外跳板進來的所以大概一個禮拜以內那現在就是因為我看到報告裡面也有提到之前有那個什麼一個張信的也是很愛做恐嚇嘛對不對然後一直到現在這一個案件那我們要怎麼去\n\n02:23.923 --> 02:25.024\n警政署應對案件的SOP是怎樣?\n\n02:52.042 --> 03:09.665\n因為我們接到報案以後第一時間當然是分析這個郵件的來源那基本上他一定是這段期間有一些特定的議題他才會發出這些這個恐怖的郵件那我們發現以後當然就是說我們的\n\n03:10.746 --> 03:31.471\n我們當然平常就有注重這種追查科技偵查的這個技巧那案件發生以後當然是陸陸續續發生以後我們當然研判這個案件的由來那由來我們當然一直追查有透過剛剛國安局的報告還有我們手上的資料有14個國家他從\n\n03:33.410 --> 03:39.679\n特定的地點然後透過14個國家的跳板再到我們這邊來這一次包括有14個機構公部門還有私部門的機構接到這些郵件\n\n03:49.633 --> 04:02.883\n我為什麼這樣問就是因為假設我們能夠蒐集的案件越充足我們越能夠去比對說他到底是什麼時候開始什麼時候開始他已經有練兵的傾向因為我之前我有說過我很經常的收到這些釣魚案件\n\n04:04.364 --> 04:30.216\n這些釣魚有些可能是來自於境外有些可能是境內然後我後來呢去問一些我們譬如說我們在這邊的民意代表或是我們黨籍的地方的民意代表我後來才發現大家都很常收到但是恐嚇大家第一時間一定會反應但如果是釣魚信件大家不一定會去回報他可能就啊那釣魚就把它弄過去但其實呢我照理說應該要有一個比較完善的機制我們應該要urge這些尤其是政府的公務人員\n\n04:31.156 --> 04:47.923\n而且有些是民意代表他對這個比較不熟悉有些在公務體系的你可以去說你要記得要回報但是民意代表他不一定會做這樣的事情但如果說因為民意代表是一個非常重要他們能夠釣魚比如說在立法院他們要能夠取得機密事項什麼等等之類還想要去攻破你的電腦\n\n04:48.923 --> 05:15.565\n如果有更大的這個數據的收集我們知道他們什麼時候對大量的人不管是委員還是地方的議員去送了這個釣魚信件那這個時候再去用一樣的方式像剛剛講的如果發現它的來源它是來自於哪些IP來自於哪些國家然後再跟後面的這個口號案件做比對的時候可能會發現更多的線索而且我們在預判的時候可能會更為精準那所以這邊我們以後之後也會建議就是有可能不一定要透過修法\n\n05:15.965 --> 05:16.305\n主席文化部\n\n05:38.951 --> 05:47.381\n現在對我來說是比較困擾的一件事情就是除了這一次這個國有器官的議題之外我們現在也有像馬龍有幾個相關的運動員他們現在也要來到台灣當然其實陸委會是說沒問題\n\n05:56.832 --> 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