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00:02:37,920\n韓警局、中華航空公司、淘機公司以及警官一大隊那總共有六個單位來一起做一個現刊那第二個部分針對現場的部分跟您做一個報告因為到現場之後發現國人非常的熱情所以說接機的人員非常非常的眾多那我們在現場一般\n\n8\n00:02:38,700 --> 00:03:01,832\n大概在機場裡面我們大概分成兩個區塊一個是入境管制區內一個入境管制區外那入境管制區外的維安我們評估完風險比較高因為非常非常多的民眾到現場去接機那管制區內相形簡單很多就是維安的狀況比較單純所以說所以就出了這個疏漏你們自以為這個維安會比較單純\n\n9\n00:03:04,973 --> 00:03:26,609\n結果呢就發生了這件事情在跟委員報告所以這個是要做檢討啊是我們會去做檢討那評估完之後裡面比較相對單純所以我們在D5就是一般出機接機那航空公司也會配合飛機停在這一個GET所以說我們在D5這個GET飛機停在這人員出來之後那出來之後的比較寬的這個區域也是記者常常會去採訪的接機的這個區域這個區域比較寬是吧\n\n10\n00:03:32,984 --> 00:03:48,966\n本席瞭解你們都有做這個作業這流程可能都有在跑可是到後來還是發生我看採摩他們是從後面竄進來這個這一幕我們在螢幕上面看到都是非常的這個傻眼所以針對這部分我想\n\n11\n00:03:49,486 --> 00:04:09,020\n國安局這部分要檢討這真的對我們政府元首的安全真的是有很大的這個危害這部分的話我想這個部分以後真的是要深刻來做檢討那再來我要進入主題了那再來就是要提到的就是紀錄片《國有器官》在台灣上映之後剛剛都有提到說\n\n12\n00:04:09,820 --> 00:04:33,079\n被這不明人士威脅要放置這個炸彈那剛才聽警政署的報告就是說因為這個恐嚇的電郵來電郵件它的IP位置其實都是在全都在國外而且它是用這個VPN跳板程式來做寄送那也就是說我們到目前為止其實源頭是誰都還是不知道對不對不曉得只知道那是來自於境外勢力其實我們不曉得是誰對不對\n\n13\n00:04:36,171 --> 00:04:52,885\n這部分的溯源因為涉及到很多跳板的跳躍所以還需要透過可能國際合作的協查才能花一點時間才能去確判所以目前的話真的還是不曉得主持者是誰可是大概想擔讓\n\n14\n00:04:54,406 --> 00:04:54,546\n李慧琼議員\n\n15\n00:05:17,227 --> 00:05:32,652\n他的內容是涉及中共高層暗殺時事搬產的這個陰謀你看像我們的桃園機場、松山機場跟自由廣場的書店都把書全部都退回去了陳品也不敢把這個書來做上架像這種自我審查的方式會不會無形當中發生\n\n16\n00:05:35,085 --> 00:05:54,790\n根文報告這個部分有關於這個所謂自我審查一方面我們需要針對這些恐嚇的案件進行查處以這個案子明顯又看出這是有人犯嫌故意在做這種恐嚇的威脅事實上都在境外\n\n17\n00:05:55,410 --> 00:05:59,192\n請民眾放心,我們會加強這方面的國內安全維安,確保這種事情能夠有效的一個掌握,讓民眾有一個安全穩定的環境。\n\n18\n00:06:18,277 --> 00:06:21,459\n這看起來就是境外勢力的一些恐嚇跟侵擾希望能夠造成台灣內部的一些紛亂那再來的話我們要講的是中國無限擴張的這個長臂管轄政策那中國修訂了屬人主義的這個國安法還有設立海外的警察站對個人做制裁那作為去整肅這個境外異議分子的這個手段\n\n19\n00:06:41,489 --> 00:07:05,666\n中國也陸陸續續公佈台灣所謂的台獨頑固分子的名單其中還包含了我們的召委王定宇委員還有本委的剛剛的沈伯源委員還有即將上任的王逸川委員都已經列在名單當中我們知道說中國在全球有20幾個國家設立了超過100站的海外警察站遍及歐洲、美洲、亞洲跟非洲這些地方\n\n20\n00:07:06,827 --> 00:07:24,269\n會不會擔心說我們名單上面的所謂的台獨萬國分子如果入境到跟中國友好或是跟中國簽署引渡有引渡條例的這些國家會不會遭到中國行使長臂管轄權要求該國配合然後台獨或引渡呢我很擔心我們周圍的安全\n\n21\n00:07:25,350 --> 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好 請你再說明委員好 我是特定中心副指揮官據我瞭解那我前天的這個事件我大概分成三個部分跟委員做個報告第一點就是我們接獲命令之後我瞭解的那天是程序的部分沒有問題我們都是按照先前現刊的這個程序針對我們節目的性質歷齡場所的這個狀況行進的動線那那一天我們到現場之後會同主辦單位體育署\n韓警局、中華航空公司、淘機公司以及警官一大隊那總共有六個單位來一起做一個現刊那第二個部分針對現場的部分跟您做一個報告因為到現場之後發現國人非常的熱情所以說接機的人員非常非常的眾多那我們在現場一般\n大概在機場裡面我們大概分成兩個區塊一個是入境管制區內一個入境管制區外那入境管制區外的維安我們評估完風險比較高因為非常非常多的民眾到現場去接機那管制區內相形簡單很多就是維安的狀況比較單純所以說所以就出了這個疏漏你們自以為這個維安會比較單純\n結果呢就發生了這件事情在跟委員報告所以這個是要做檢討啊是我們會去做檢討那評估完之後裡面比較相對單純所以我們在D5就是一般出機接機那航空公司也會配合飛機停在這一個GET所以說我們在D5這個GET飛機停在這人員出來之後那出來之後的比較寬的這個區域也是記者常常會去採訪的接機的這個區域這個區域比較寬是吧\n本席瞭解你們都有做這個作業這流程可能都有在跑可是到後來還是發生我看採摩他們是從後面竄進來這個這一幕我們在螢幕上面看到都是非常的這個傻眼所以針對這部分我想\n國安局這部分要檢討這真的對我們政府元首的安全真的是有很大的這個危害這部分的話我想這個部分以後真的是要深刻來做檢討那再來我要進入主題了那再來就是要提到的就是紀錄片《國有器官》在台灣上映之後剛剛都有提到說\n被這不明人士威脅要放置這個炸彈那剛才聽警政署的報告就是說因為這個恐嚇的電郵來電郵件它的IP位置其實都是在全都在國外而且它是用這個VPN跳板程式來做寄送那也就是說我們到目前為止其實源頭是誰都還是不知道對不對不曉得只知道那是來自於境外勢力其實我們不曉得是誰對不對\n這部分的溯源因為涉及到很多跳板的跳躍所以還需要透過可能國際合作的協查才能花一點時間才能去確判所以目前的話真的還是不曉得主持者是誰可是大概想擔讓\n李慧琼議員\n他的內容是涉及中共高層暗殺時事搬產的這個陰謀你看像我們的桃園機場、松山機場跟自由廣場的書店都把書全部都退回去了陳品也不敢把這個書來做上架像這種自我審查的方式會不會無形當中發生\n根文報告這個部分有關於這個所謂自我審查一方面我們需要針對這些恐嚇的案件進行查處以這個案子明顯又看出這是有人犯嫌故意在做這種恐嚇的威脅事實上都在境外\n請民眾放心,我們會加強這方面的國內安全維安,確保這種事情能夠有效的一個掌握,讓民眾有一個安全穩定的環境。\n這看起來就是境外勢力的一些恐嚇跟侵擾希望能夠造成台灣內部的一些紛亂那再來的話我們要講的是中國無限擴張的這個長臂管轄政策那中國修訂了屬人主義的這個國安法還有設立海外的警察站對個人做制裁那作為去整肅這個境外異議分子的這個手段\n中國也陸陸續續公佈台灣所謂的台獨頑固分子的名單其中還包含了我們的召委王定宇委員還有本委的剛剛的沈伯源委員還有即將上任的王逸川委員都已經列在名單當中我們知道說中國在全球有20幾個國家設立了超過100站的海外警察站遍及歐洲、美洲、亞洲跟非洲這些地方\n會不會擔心說我們名單上面的所謂的台獨萬國分子如果入境到跟中國友好或是跟中國簽署引渡有引渡條例的這些國家會不會遭到中國行使長臂管轄權要求該國配合然後台獨或引渡呢我很擔心我們周圍的安全\n跟委員報告雖然說中共大概跟60國左右簽署引渡條約但是多半的民主友盟民主國家事實上他們對於這種引渡是有前提的必須是司法犯罪像政治犯他們是不引渡的有在排除條款\n當然有些是比較親中國家這個是比較有風險性的這我想我們相關單位也會提醒國人但一般這種民主有門的國家事實上相對是安全的那我看到那個今年7月法門有報導那在法國戴高樂機場在3月的時候有兩位中共的駐外官員要將一位\n一人是壓解回大陸但是被法國的邊境警察攔截下來甚至這兩位中共官員就被遣返回中國那是法國可是我們看到像之前摩納哥也配合了中國然後加維吾爾族的異份在摩納哥轉機的時候送回中國受審所以有些\n羅美玲委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.163 --> 00:03.107\n有請國安局張副局長副局長請委員長\n\n00:09.791 --> 00:33.005\n局長早在進入今天的主題之前我想要跟副局長檢討的是前天晚上的事情前天晚上我國的棒球選手從日本凱旋歸國那我們肖美琴副總統有到機場去接機可是在拍大合照的時候彩蒙的董事長就率隊來亂入那這不但引起各界的這個撻伐我們國家婦員所的這個違安的問題我們也需要來檢討我想請教\n\n00:38.208 --> 00:52.197\n一下我們這個國安局像過去我們依據我們的經驗一般政府元首到例領的這個場合國安局一般上事先都會去做場刊嘛那做場刊的時候我們會了解路線的規劃對不對\n\n00:53.698 --> 01:19.161\n那還有就是說甚至有誰這次可以來合照的這個名單我們都要事先知道嘛據我本席過去的經驗大概了解的流程大概是這樣子可是當天晚上我們看到都是一團亂那採蒙這個亂路的時候呢我們國安人員居然是沒有任何的作為也沒做任何的這個排除我想請問當天晚上到底發生了什麼事為什麼沒有排除呢\n\n01:20.108 --> 01:48.739\n跟委員報告,確實剛就如同委員講的我們特警中心針對我們蒞臨場所的一個勤務都會事先跟協同相關的單位做先體的場勘而且會跟活動的性質、它的動線還有它的環境去做評估、做維安的部署那當天詳細我想那個校副總統他的維安的一個情形我是不是請我們副指揮官來跟委員做個說明\n\n01:49.229 --> 02:11.033\nOK好請你再說明委員好我是特定中心副指揮官據我瞭解那我前天的這個事件我大概分成三個部分跟委員做個報告第一點就是我們接獲命令之後我瞭解的那天是程序的部分沒有問題我們都是按照先前現刊的這個程序針對我們節目的性質歷齡場所的這個狀況行進的動線那那一天我們到現場之後會同主辦單位體育署\n\n02:18.394 --> 02:37.920\n韓警局、中華航空公司、淘機公司以及警官一大隊那總共有六個單位來一起做一個現刊那第二個部分針對現場的部分跟您做一個報告因為到現場之後發現國人非常的熱情所以說接機的人員非常非常的眾多那我們在現場一般\n\n02:38.700 --> 03:01.832\n大概在機場裡面我們大概分成兩個區塊一個是入境管制區內一個入境管制區外那入境管制區外的維安我們評估完風險比較高因為非常非常多的民眾到現場去接機那管制區內相形簡單很多就是維安的狀況比較單純所以說所以就出了這個疏漏你們自以為這個維安會比較單純\n\n03:04.973 --> 03:26.609\n結果呢就發生了這件事情在跟委員報告所以這個是要做檢討啊是我們會去做檢討那評估完之後裡面比較相對單純所以我們在D5就是一般出機接機那航空公司也會配合飛機停在這一個GET所以說我們在D5這個GET飛機停在這人員出來之後那出來之後的比較寬的這個區域也是記者常常會去採訪的接機的這個區域這個區域比較寬是吧\n\n03:32.984 --> 03:48.966\n本席瞭解你們都有做這個作業這流程可能都有在跑可是到後來還是發生我看採摩他們是從後面竄進來這個這一幕我們在螢幕上面看到都是非常的這個傻眼所以針對這部分我想\n\n03:49.486 --> 04:09.020\n國安局這部分要檢討這真的對我們政府元首的安全真的是有很大的這個危害這部分的話我想這個部分以後真的是要深刻來做檢討那再來我要進入主題了那再來就是要提到的就是紀錄片《國有器官》在台灣上映之後剛剛都有提到說\n\n04:09.820 --> 04:33.079\n被這不明人士威脅要放置這個炸彈那剛才聽警政署的報告就是說因為這個恐嚇的電郵來電郵件它的IP位置其實都是在全都在國外而且它是用這個VPN跳板程式來做寄送那也就是說我們到目前為止其實源頭是誰都還是不知道對不對不曉得只知道那是來自於境外勢力其實我們不曉得是誰對不對\n\n04:36.171 --> 04:52.885\n這部分的溯源因為涉及到很多跳板的跳躍所以還需要透過可能國際合作的協查才能花一點時間才能去確判所以目前的話真的還是不曉得主持者是誰可是大概想擔讓\n\n04:54.406 --> 04:54.546\n李慧琼議員\n\n05:17.227 --> 05:32.652\n他的內容是涉及中共高層暗殺時事搬產的這個陰謀你看像我們的桃園機場、松山機場跟自由廣場的書店都把書全部都退回去了陳品也不敢把這個書來做上架像這種自我審查的方式會不會無形當中發生\n\n05:35.085 --> 05:54.790\n根文報告這個部分有關於這個所謂自我審查一方面我們需要針對這些恐嚇的案件進行查處以這個案子明顯又看出這是有人犯嫌故意在做這種恐嚇的威脅事實上都在境外\n\n05:55.410 --> 05:59.192\n請民眾放心,我們會加強這方面的國內安全維安,確保這種事情能夠有效的一個掌握,讓民眾有一個安全穩定的環境。\n\n06:18.277 --> 06:21.459\n這看起來就是境外勢力的一些恐嚇跟侵擾希望能夠造成台灣內部的一些紛亂那再來的話我們要講的是中國無限擴張的這個長臂管轄政策那中國修訂了屬人主義的這個國安法還有設立海外的警察站對個人做制裁那作為去整肅這個境外異議分子的這個手段\n\n06:41.489 --> 07:05.666\n中國也陸陸續續公佈台灣所謂的台獨頑固分子的名單其中還包含了我們的召委王定宇委員還有本委的剛剛的沈伯源委員還有即將上任的王逸川委員都已經列在名單當中我們知道說中國在全球有20幾個國家設立了超過100站的海外警察站遍及歐洲、美洲、亞洲跟非洲這些地方\n\n07:06.827 --> 07:24.269\n會不會擔心說我們名單上面的所謂的台獨萬國分子如果入境到跟中國友好或是跟中國簽署引渡有引渡條例的這些國家會不會遭到中國行使長臂管轄權要求該國配合然後台獨或引渡呢我很擔心我們周圍的安全\n\n07:25.350 --> 07:44.854\n跟委員報告雖然說中共大概跟60國左右簽署引渡條約但是多半的民主友盟民主國家事實上他們對於這種引渡是有前提的必須是司法犯罪像政治犯他們是不引渡的有在排除條款\n\n07:45.414 --> 08:12.164\n當然有些是比較親中國家這個是比較有風險性的這我想我們相關單位也會提醒國人但一般這種民主有門的國家事實上相對是安全的那我看到那個今年7月法門有報導那在法國戴高樂機場在3月的時候有兩位中共的駐外官員要將一位\n\n08:13.004 --> 08:38.922\n一人是壓解回大陸但是被法國的邊境警察攔截下來甚至這兩位中共官員就被遣返回中國那是法國可是我們看到像之前摩納哥也配合了中國然後加維吾爾族的異份在摩納哥轉機的時候送回中國受審所以有些\n\n08:40.043 --> 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