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00:02:58,690\n請問你們的具體作業明年上路可以嗎?是要請秘書長還是部長?是要請秘書長還是部長?是要請秘書長還是部長?是要請秘書長還是部長?是要請秘書長還是部長?是要請秘書長還是部長?是要請秘書長還是部長?是要請秘書長還是部長?是要請秘書長還是部長?是要請秘書長還是部長?是要請秘書長還是部長?是要請秘書長還是部長?是要請秘書長還是部長?是要請秘書長還是部長?是要請秘書長還是部長?是要請秘書長還是部長?是要請秘書長還是部長?是要請秘書長還是部長?是要請秘書長還是部長?\n\n8\n00:03:07,253 --> 00:03:17,301\n各第一線非常多的機關一起討論這個議題那些意見代表的是第一線作業同仁的看法那你同意這些意見嗎?我們經過反除經過審思嘛對我想這個議題被聽到有這樣提我想我們會再跟\n\n9\n00:03:26,408 --> 00:03:27,989\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n10\n00:03:57,589 --> 00:04:20,460\n應該應該應該我跟委員照這樣一個報告我知道總處那邊因為這真的適用整個都在行政院體系是最大適用的事實上我也當過那邊的人事長我也了解現場的一個狀況所以我跟委員報告是這個事情我想大家都關心這個事情他有兩方面來關心一方面當然是價值一個方面但是我的實務經驗告訴我說其實最重要的是我們沒有真正的預算捏\n\n11\n00:04:22,280 --> 00:04:24,702\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n12\n00:04:39,548 --> 00:04:56,512\n我想現在是一個關鍵的時刻在總統也成立了總統府的三大委員會其中一個就是健康台灣你們可以去follow健康台灣的下一次會議當中很重要的議程也就是心理健康所以國家在各項的制度的精進預算的投入\n\n13\n00:04:56,992 --> 00:04:57,593\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n14\n00:05:12,105 --> 00:05:22,613\n全局部不斷接受到各個委員各式各樣提案要多有些價不光是這個價所以我覺得請假規則修正這還涉及地方我們一定會跟總處那邊好好一起來討論這個事情不要把簡單的問題複雜化其他委員提案什麼價正當性如何合理性如何\n\n15\n00:05:30,179 --> 00:05:34,405\n主管收支部分關於考試院及所屬主管收支部分關於考試院及所屬主管收支部分關於考試院及所屬主管收支部分關於考試院及所屬主管收支部分\n\n16\n00:05:46,818 --> 00:05:51,664\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n17\n00:06:02,296 --> 00:06:24,262\n我今天的主題其實是針對永續政策考試院不應當是永續政策的outsider我們退府基金的投資也要來落實SDGs的精神下一頁首先呢總統的三大對策委員會其中一個是氣候變遷我們要全國一起來推動第二次的能源轉型強化我們的氣候行動\n\n18\n00:06:25,262 --> 00:06:32,089\n也要重新來設定2032年、2035年的檢探新目標考試院能做什麼呢?下一頁。\n\n19\n00:06:33,342 --> 00:07:00,447\n各個部會我們2020年的時候行政院就已經責成二級機關跟所屬所有的地方政府所以是29個二級機關跟22個地方政府都進行永續發展的自願檢視報告書行政部門所屬都做了地方政府也跟進了唯獨我們的憲政機關就是考試院並沒有做下一頁\n\n20\n00:07:02,113 --> 00:07:28,067\n政府、各大學、民間企業也都跟上國際永續的行動所以都成立了各該機關的永續推動委員會我過去在教育文化領域我督促各個大學成立永續發展推動委員會甚至都upgrade到校長或副院長來作為召集人所以考試院沒有道理是outsider下一頁\n\n21\n00:07:29,656 --> 00:07:58,177\n中研院它隸屬於總統府但是中研院過去也曾經是OutSider但是在我的要求之下中研院的廖俊智院長2022年在我督促2023年也加入了來推出永續報告書也加入了這個集體的行動下頁不只考試院自己機關包括我們的基金勞動基金\n\n22\n00:08:00,410 --> 00:08:12,753\n由政基金、由政儲金現在都有永續報告書我手上帶著這一本就是勞動基金的所以說獨缺我們的退府基金喔下一頁\n\n23\n00:08:14,231 --> 00:08:39,750\n來我先停在這裡所以是不是可以針對我們考試院的永續報告不管是從自願檢視的報告書開始做起或是我們機關內部來成立永續的推動委員會由秘書長來主責也好你們願意跟進嗎是委員先跟您報告這個應該不是完全沒有是不是我請局長這邊先說明一下我們現在院有什麼樣的永續推動委員會誰來主責\n\n24\n00:08:43,608 --> 00:08:52,102\n報告委員其實在我們局裡面有成立一個永續投資推動小組其實我們非常關注這是投資但是願的自願檢測有沒有要做\n\n25\n00:08:53,166 --> 00:08:54,367\n主管總預算案附屬單位預算部主管總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n26\n00:09:20,510 --> 00:09:36,944\n那我跟民間的很多團體他們都來跟我反映現在的四大基金剛剛講的郵政儲金也好或者是我們的這個勞動基金也好都有揭露了他們的氣候相關的投資就是退府基金沒有\n\n27\n00:09:37,705 --> 00:09:57,577\n而以2022年我們國家四大基金的前十大國內投資的碳足跡的調查退輔基金居然是最高比例的。換言之國家變相的投資高碳產業嗎?我先講完您稍後回覆喔下一頁\n\n28\n00:09:59,264 --> 00:10:22,381\n看國際的經驗挪威主權基金我們常常在講的挪威主權基金不管是要求對於淨零碳排相關事業的投資也進行了自身的氣候風險評估要跟上巴黎協定還包括對於一些高碳產業的撤資行動2016年開始挪威的主權基金已經從84家電力或者是礦業\n\n29\n00:10:23,482 --> 00:10:46,442\n高耗能的產業來撤資了韓國的經驗我想你們也可以借鏡韓國的國家退休金的投資強化ESG的鏈結下一頁所以說TCFD國內各金控也在綠色金融的裡頭都已經揭露了氣候相關的財務的投資就是退府基金沒有啊我後面還有PPT嗎來最後\n\n30\n00:10:48,280 --> 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機關包括我們的基金勞動基金\n由政基金、由政儲金現在都有永續報告書我手上帶著這一本就是勞動基金的所以說獨缺我們的退府基金喔下一頁\n來我先停在這裡所以是不是可以針對我們考試院的永續報告不管是從自願檢視的報告書開始做起或是我們機關內部來成立永續的推動委員會由秘書長來主責也好你們願意跟進嗎是委員先跟您報告這個應該不是完全沒有是不是我請局長這邊先說明一下我們現在院有什麼樣的永續推動委員會誰來主責\n報告委員其實在我們局裡面有成立一個永續投資推動小組其實我們非常關注這是投資但是願的自願檢測有沒有要做\n主管總預算案附屬單位預算部主管總預算案附屬單位預算\n那我跟民間的很多團體他們都來跟我反映現在的四大基金剛剛講的郵政儲金也好或者是我們的這個勞動基金也好都有揭露了他們的氣候相關的投資就是退府基金沒有\n而以2022年我們國家四大基金的前十大國內投資的碳足跡的調查退輔基金居然是最高比例的。換言之國家變相的投資高碳產業嗎?我先講完您稍後回覆喔下一頁\n看國際的經驗挪威主權基金我們常常在講的挪威主權基金不管是要求對於淨零碳排相關事業的投資也進行了自身的氣候風險評估要跟上巴黎協定還包括對於一些高碳產業的撤資行動2016年開始挪威的主權基金已經從84家電力或者是礦業\n高耗能的產業來撤資了韓國的經驗我想你們也可以借鏡韓國的國家退休金的投資強化ESG的鏈結下一頁所以說TCFD國內各金控也在綠色金融的裡頭都已經揭露了氣候相關的財務的投資就是退府基金沒有啊我後面還有PPT嗎來最後\n經管會也給你們一個計算的指引別人可以我們也應當做得到我們是基金的龍頭好請統一來回覆要不要來跟上\n是,謝謝委員的提醒那其實我們剛剛跟委員報告的我們永續投資推動小組就是在做件事情其實我們也加入了吉寶公司的投資人關係整個平台那我們預計在明年就會介入我們的財務碳排放的資訊那相關的包括我們的投資的碳排放的密度還有我們主要的投資的一些所以氣候風險評估\n我們明年就會上路來公開揭露。對,我們會揭露在我們的淨值治理報告裡面。那除了揭露,揭露是第一步。對於不管是撤資,不管撤除投資,或者是其他的事項,我認為我們都可以更全方位的來實踐永續的行動,好嗎?\n所以這一本我希望我下一次站上質詢台我可以拿到退府基金的永續報告書針對他的治理策略風險的管理跟設定的目標都能夠做到我認為考試院一定做得到所以今天我們的永續報告書我希望明年就能夠加入然後我們在退府基金的投資也都跟上國家永續的這不是國家國際永續的行列好嗎我們一起努力好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:16.190 --> 00:18.898\n謝謝主席,有請秘書長,也請你跟施部長\n\n00:24.053 --> 00:28.574\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於考試院中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n01:04.333 --> 01:24.625\n昨天院長被提名人周前副院長也做了宣誓我想這件事情在這幾天得到非常多委員的關心我們也必須承認過去在法制面上的確有不足之處所以有這樣的宣誓我跟司部長和蔡主委上個禮拜也有討論到這個部分可以先著手展開演繹\n\n01:25.285 --> 01:26.366\n審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n01:42.060 --> 02:09.526\n公務體系優先來增加新一類的心理健康假或是叫身心調適假然後也獲得周院長正面的一個肯定那相關的作業包括人事總處其實都同意就之前我所收集的長期追蹤的結果是全序部有一些不同的意見那我想現在我想再次來確認你們的立場就昨天周\n\n02:10.586 --> 02:11.487\n主管總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部主管總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n02:39.363 --> 02:58.690\n請問你們的具體作業明年上路可以嗎?是要請秘書長還是部長?是要請秘書長還是部長?是要請秘書長還是部長?是要請秘書長還是部長?是要請秘書長還是部長?是要請秘書長還是部長?是要請秘書長還是部長?是要請秘書長還是部長?是要請秘書長還是部長?是要請秘書長還是部長?是要請秘書長還是部長?是要請秘書長還是部長?是要請秘書長還是部長?是要請秘書長還是部長?是要請秘書長還是部長?是要請秘書長還是部長?是要請秘書長還是部長?是要請秘書長還是部長?是要請秘書長還是部長?\n\n03:07.253 --> 03:17.301\n各第一線非常多的機關一起討論這個議題那些意見代表的是第一線作業同仁的看法那你同意這些意見嗎?我們經過反除經過審思嘛對我想這個議題被聽到有這樣提我想我們會再跟\n\n03:26.408 --> 03:27.989\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n03:57.589 --> 04:20.460\n應該應該應該我跟委員照這樣一個報告我知道總處那邊因為這真的適用整個都在行政院體系是最大適用的事實上我也當過那邊的人事長我也了解現場的一個狀況所以我跟委員報告是這個事情我想大家都關心這個事情他有兩方面來關心一方面當然是價值一個方面但是我的實務經驗告訴我說其實最重要的是我們沒有真正的預算捏\n\n04:22.280 --> 04:24.702\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n04:39.548 --> 04:56.512\n我想現在是一個關鍵的時刻在總統也成立了總統府的三大委員會其中一個就是健康台灣你們可以去follow健康台灣的下一次會議當中很重要的議程也就是心理健康所以國家在各項的制度的精進預算的投入\n\n04:56.992 --> 04:57.593\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n05:12.105 --> 05:22.613\n全局部不斷接受到各個委員各式各樣提案要多有些價不光是這個價所以我覺得請假規則修正這還涉及地方我們一定會跟總處那邊好好一起來討論這個事情不要把簡單的問題複雜化其他委員提案什麼價正當性如何合理性如何\n\n05:30.179 --> 05:34.405\n主管收支部分關於考試院及所屬主管收支部分關於考試院及所屬主管收支部分關於考試院及所屬主管收支部分關於考試院及所屬主管收支部分\n\n05:46.818 --> 05:51.664\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n06:02.296 --> 06:24.262\n我今天的主題其實是針對永續政策考試院不應當是永續政策的outsider我們退府基金的投資也要來落實SDGs的精神下一頁首先呢總統的三大對策委員會其中一個是氣候變遷我們要全國一起來推動第二次的能源轉型強化我們的氣候行動\n\n06:25.262 --> 06:32.089\n也要重新來設定2032年、2035年的檢探新目標考試院能做什麼呢?下一頁。\n\n06:33.342 --> 07:00.447\n各個部會我們2020年的時候行政院就已經責成二級機關跟所屬所有的地方政府所以是29個二級機關跟22個地方政府都進行永續發展的自願檢視報告書行政部門所屬都做了地方政府也跟進了唯獨我們的憲政機關就是考試院並沒有做下一頁\n\n07:02.113 --> 07:28.067\n政府、各大學、民間企業也都跟上國際永續的行動所以都成立了各該機關的永續推動委員會我過去在教育文化領域我督促各個大學成立永續發展推動委員會甚至都upgrade到校長或副院長來作為召集人所以考試院沒有道理是outsider下一頁\n\n07:29.656 --> 07:58.177\n中研院它隸屬於總統府但是中研院過去也曾經是OutSider但是在我的要求之下中研院的廖俊智院長2022年在我督促2023年也加入了來推出永續報告書也加入了這個集體的行動下頁不只考試院自己機關包括我們的基金勞動基金\n\n08:00.410 --> 08:12.753\n由政基金、由政儲金現在都有永續報告書我手上帶著這一本就是勞動基金的所以說獨缺我們的退府基金喔下一頁\n\n08:14.231 --> 08:39.750\n來我先停在這裡所以是不是可以針對我們考試院的永續報告不管是從自願檢視的報告書開始做起或是我們機關內部來成立永續的推動委員會由秘書長來主責也好你們願意跟進嗎是委員先跟您報告這個應該不是完全沒有是不是我請局長這邊先說明一下我們現在院有什麼樣的永續推動委員會誰來主責\n\n08:43.608 --> 08:52.102\n報告委員其實在我們局裡面有成立一個永續投資推動小組其實我們非常關注這是投資但是願的自願檢測有沒有要做\n\n08:53.166 --> 08:54.367\n主管總預算案附屬單位預算部主管總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n09:20.510 --> 09:36.944\n那我跟民間的很多團體他們都來跟我反映現在的四大基金剛剛講的郵政儲金也好或者是我們的這個勞動基金也好都有揭露了他們的氣候相關的投資就是退府基金沒有\n\n09:37.705 --> 09:57.577\n而以2022年我們國家四大基金的前十大國內投資的碳足跡的調查退輔基金居然是最高比例的。換言之國家變相的投資高碳產業嗎?我先講完您稍後回覆喔下一頁\n\n09:59.264 --> 10:22.381\n看國際的經驗挪威主權基金我們常常在講的挪威主權基金不管是要求對於淨零碳排相關事業的投資也進行了自身的氣候風險評估要跟上巴黎協定還包括對於一些高碳產業的撤資行動2016年開始挪威的主權基金已經從84家電力或者是礦業\n\n10:23.482 --> 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一線非常多的機關一起討論這個議題，那些意見代表的是第一線作業同仁的看法……"],["吳委員思瑤：好，那您同意這些意見嗎？你們經過反芻、經過審思嘛！"],["施部長能傑：對，這個議題周被提名人有這樣的意見，我想我們會再跟……這個應該要修請假規則……"],["吳委員思瑤：對，這個不用送立院。"],["施部長能傑：而請假規則是兩院必須會銜，所以如果真的要推這個，要怎麼推法，包括要單獨的假，或是給薪假、不給薪假，又或者總的假……"],["吳委員思瑤：你們開始積極研議。"],["施部長能傑：在不變動總假天數……"],["吳委員思瑤：我個人認為，以變動最小總體假別來including一個新假別，不要做太大的連動，這當然會有利於這個身心調適假的上路。"],["施部長能傑：我跟委員做這樣的報告，我知道總處那邊……因為整個行政院體系是最大適用者，事實上，我也當過那邊的人事長，了解現場的狀況，所以跟委員報告，我想大家都關心這個事情，而這可以就兩方面來關心，一方面當然是假的部分，但我的實務經驗告訴我，其實最重要的是我們沒有真正的預算來支應、協助做這種EAP之類的……"],["吳委員思瑤：各級機關的EAP，即我們所謂的心理健康支持方案，當然是重中之重……"],["施部長能傑：我們沒有特別的預算去支持、執行這個事情，至於給假部分，我們會跟總處再好好討論。"],["吳委員思瑤：我想現在是一個關鍵時刻，總統在總統府也成立了三大委員會，其中一個就是健康台灣，你們可以去follow健康台灣下一次會議很重要的議程，也就是心理健康，所以國家在各項制度的精進，預算的投入，我想現在都是關鍵的時刻，可以來一起研議，好嗎？"],["施部長能傑：好的。"],["吳委員思瑤：希望銓敘部的同仁能夠站在正面的角度，我們一起克服這個困難，好嗎？我們就來努力。"],["施部長能傑：我也跟委員報告，銓敘部不斷接收到各個委員各式各樣要多一些假的提案，不光是這個假，我覺得請假規則的修正還涉及到地方，我們一定會跟總處那邊好好一起來討論這個事情，看有沒有可能……"],["吳委員思瑤：不要把簡單的問題複雜化，其他委員提案什麼假，正當性如何、合理性如何，不是本席的關切。"],["施部長能傑：我知道。"],["吳委員思瑤：本席吳思瑤對於心理假部分，從大學校園推動兩個學校開始，到現在有127個學校，教育部也已經向下延伸，所有高中職今年8月全面試辦，我認為心理健康不能漏接任何一個人，不要讓我對於您的回答不太滿意，我們就正向地來克服，好嗎？"],["施部長能傑：好，理解。"],["吳委員思瑤：心理健康非常重要，謝謝。"],["施部長能傑：謝謝。"],["吳委員思瑤：部長請回，請秘書長。我今天的主題其實是針對永續政策，考試院不應當是永續政策的outsider，退撫基金的投資也要落實SDGs精神。","首先，總統的三大對策委員會，其中一個是氣候變遷，我們全國要一起推動第二次能源轉型，強化氣候行動，也要重新設定2032年、2035年減碳新目標。請問，考試院能做什麼呢？","2020年行政院就已經責成二級機關跟所有地方政府，總共29個二級機關和22個地方政府都進行永續發展的自願檢視報告書，行政部門所屬都做了，地方政府也跟進了，唯獨我們的憲政機關，就是考試院沒有做，政府、各大學、民間企業也都跟上國際永續行動，成立了各該機關的永續推動委員會。過去我在教育文化領域，督促各個大學成立永續發展推動委員會，甚至都upgrade到校長或副院長來作為召集人，所以考試院沒有道理是outsider。中研院隸屬於總統府，過去中研院也曾經是outsider，但在我2022年的要求、督促之下，中研院廖俊智院長在2023年也加入了，推出永續報告書，加入這個集體行動。還有我們的基金，包括勞動基金、郵政儲金，現在也都有永續報告書，我手上帶著的這一本就是勞動基金的，獨缺退撫基金，所以針對考試院的永續報告書，不管是從自願檢視的報告書開始做起，或是機關內部成立永續推動委員會，由秘書長主責也好，你們願意跟進嗎？"],["劉秘書長建忻：是，委員，先跟您報告，這個應該不是完全沒有，我請局長這邊先說明。"],["吳委員思瑤：好，可以，可以，現在院裡有什麼樣的永續推動委員會？誰來主責？"],["陳局長銘賢：是，報告委員，其實我們局裡有成立一個永續投資推動小組，我們非常關注……"],["吳委員思瑤：這是投資，但是院的自願檢測有沒有做？"],["劉秘書長建忻：我們院裡沒有這樣的機制，但這個部分……"],["吳委員思瑤：那要不要考慮跟進？"],["劉秘書長建忻：委員這個議題非常重要，如果各機關都有在進行……"],["吳委員思瑤：都有，都有。"],["劉秘書長建忻：我想我們應該要把這樣的意見傳達給下一屆。"],["吳委員思瑤：好，這是秘書長的level，我希望院的層級要有。","下面就進入退撫基金。退撫基金今年突破1兆，投資金額高達8,286億，不管是委託經營、股票或債券的投入，有很多民間團體跟我反映，現在的四大基金，包括剛剛講的郵政儲金、勞動基金，都有揭露他們的氣候相關投資，就只有退撫基金沒有，而以2022年國家四大基金的前十大國內投資碳足跡調查，退撫基金居然是最高比例的，換言之，是國家變相投資高碳產業嗎？我先講完，您稍後回復。","看國際經驗，就以我們常常講的挪威主權基金為例，不僅是要求對於淨零碳排相關事業的投資，也進行了自身的氣候風險評估要跟上巴黎協定，還包括對於一些高碳產業的撤資行動。2016年開始，挪威主權基金已經從84家電力或者礦業高耗能的產業撤資了。","韓國的經驗我想你們也可以借鏡，韓國國家退休金的投資強化ESG的鏈結，國內各金控也在綠色金融裡頭都已經揭露了氣候相關財務的投資（TCFD），就是退撫基金沒有啊！其實金管會也有給你們一個計算的指引，別人可以，你們也應當做得到，況且你們是基金的龍頭。請統一回復要不要跟上？"],["陳局長銘賢：謝謝委員的提醒，我們剛剛跟委員報告的永續投資推動小組就是在做這件事情，其實我們也加入了集保公司的投資人關係整合平臺，預計明年就會揭露我們的財務碳排放的資訊，包括我們相關投資的碳排放密度，還有我們主要投資的一些……"],["吳委員思瑤：所以氣候風險評估你們明年就會上路來公開揭露？"],["陳局長銘賢：對，我們會揭露在我們的淨值治理報告裡面。"],["吳委員思瑤：好，除了揭露，揭露是第一步，對於不管是撤除投資或者是其他事項，我認為我們都可以更全方位的來實踐永續的行動，好嗎？"],["陳局長銘賢：是。"],["吳委員思瑤：我希望我下一次站上質詢臺可以拿到退撫基金的永續報告書，針對它的治理策略、風險的管理跟設定的目標都能夠做到，我認為考試院一定做得到，我希望你們的永續報告書明年就能夠加入，然後我們退撫基金的投資也都能跟上國際永續的行列，好嗎？我們一起努力，謝謝。"],["主席（陳委員俊宇代）：謝謝吳思瑤委員的質詢。","下一位質詢請鍾佳濱召委。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":476,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-36-16","speakers":["鍾佳濱","黃國昌","陳俊宇","吳思瑤","沈發惠","翁曉玲","羅智強","林思銘","鄭天財Sra Kacaw","楊瓊瓔","徐欣瑩","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","吳宗憲","莊瑞雄","王鴻薇","謝龍介"],"page_start":359,"meetingDate":["2024-11-27"],"gazette_id":"11310702","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11310702_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第16次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於考試院及所屬主管收支部分；二、審查114年度中央政府\n總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於考試院考選部主管「考選業務基金」收支部分；三、審查\n114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於考試院銓敘部主管「公務人員退休撫卹\n基金」收支部分；四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於考試院銓敘\n部主管「公教人員個人專戶制退撫儲金基金」收支部分；五、審查及處理113年度中央政府總預\n算關於考試院主管預算凍結項目共4案【第一案至第四案僅進行詢答】","agenda_id":"11310702_00003"}}}