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00:00:50,376\n那長臂的管轄權的威脅不只是來自於中共我們就可以再追溯過去裡面美國美國管轄最初是由美國民事訴訟開始指地方法院將司法管轄權延伸到城外包含各州到國外有很多的各國都被告\n\n3\n00:00:51,656 --> 00:01:10,593\n所以這個就是我們今天要講的那不管是來自於中共或是來自於美國這些長臂的管轄權都深深的影響到我們很多我們國人的一些權益所以這樣的一個狀況我們就看嘛\n\n4\n00:01:12,096 --> 00:01:41,290\n我們的所有的這個國有器官國有器官在國內放映之後引起了很多的一些恐嚇的事件根據這個裡面所調查的有總共有28件的案件都已經確定是中共透過的一個海外的IP對台灣發起的這個問題那如何判斷或區分恐嚇來自於中共政權或個人行為你回答一下好不好\n\n5\n00:01:42,590 --> 00:02:02,778\n跟委員報告,詳細還是要靠證據就是這些IP的跳板跳到源頭這個部分的寫查另外一個我們根據客觀的事實因為根據這個影片直接相關是涉及到總統大陸的人權所以這幾個部分我們會綜合來研判當然還是要以證據為主\n\n6\n00:02:05,430 --> 00:02:05,650\n目前我們還在釐清\n\n7\n00:02:23,001 --> 00:02:47,584\n那另外就是長臂管轄權侵害的國家．最具體主權象徵的司法權力．所以有很大的正義．但大國在使用權力時．多國國家無法抵抗．這因應國安局有何具體的建議．所以我們激烈這個歐盟企業．也曾經在美國的長臂管轄權．苦不堪言\n\n8\n00:02:49,491 --> 00:03:17,030\n最有名的例子就是法國的阿爾斯通集團被美國政府以海外反腐敗法除以7.72億美元的罰款之後其電力業務則被美國的通用電氣收購所以因為他用這個來威脅到最後他們必須要妥協就後來變成是美國來收購那今天我們要講的是\n\n9\n00:03:19,051 --> 00:03:35,393\n你如何因應未來可能美國或是任何國家裡面比較強大的國家用這樣的一個長臂管轄權會威脅到我們國內你如何因應有關於其他國家或者是說針對\n\n10\n00:03:36,514 --> 00:03:39,697\n所以你看我們長臂管轄前的這個發生美國例如在\n\n11\n00:04:03,540 --> 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