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00:01:55,976\n臺電提供的這種位置,因為我們基本上是一個固定的工作,球員有廚藝的問題,我們退役的問題,所以我們有在設想一個新的辦法,就是我們覺得說如果來臺電的球員未來他想打職業隊,我們會鼓勵他去打職業隊。\n\n7\n00:02:00,097 --> 00:02:28,336\n他在台電的職務我們會幫他保留有一天當他退下了職業隊能夠再銜接回來我認為這樣很好啦我也期盼未來特別是這些都是相當優秀的一些那我覺得不管是職棒或民間的他們都有一個很好的銜接管道你才能夠讓更多優秀人才進入到這個體系內那他們才有機會為台灣創下了很好的一些成果就是他的運動員生涯之後如果願意在台電我們非常非常歡迎\n\n8\n00:02:28,456 --> 00:02:46,703\n所以臺電在穩定的獲利、穩定的經營狀況下還是會全力來支撐這6個球隊的運作是好謝謝那我要講的也是其實我要講到也是要穩健的運作如果臺電持續的面臨到財務上的壓力所以接下來當然要談的其實\n\n9\n00:02:48,323 --> 00:03:11,613\n這一段時間其實最早是在2022年的時候這個二無戰爭以後導致到了整個電價油價的上漲而導致了整個虧損包括臺電、中油的虧損然後我們又強制的去壓住希望不要因為民生上的影響而造成的物價的波動我們希望穩定住通膨所以臺灣的通膨其實控制的相當好物價控制的相當好\n\n10\n00:03:12,593 --> 00:03:40,107\n這個也是導致很多國家都幾乎都面臨到通膨的問題甚至執政權都垮掉了甚至人民是抱怨聲很大但是我們穩住了但是我們穩住了這個部分變成臺電跟中油就扛住了這個責任了扛住了這個責任之後虧損就很大所以我認為其實國家當我們這幾年經濟這麼好的時候我們的稅收也都增加我們的盈餘這麼多的時候其實支持臺電支持中油我認為是應該要做的\n\n11\n00:03:41,127 --> 00:04:02,874\n臺電跟中央等於是幫我們扛住了第一線如果我們遇到了通膨的問題甚至遇到了恐怕遇到的挑戰更大了所以我認為立法院其實應該要支持這樣的預算所以我們看到其實整個總的臺電吸收的成本總數加起來這幾年大概支撐了6794億這個數字正確吧董事長\n\n12\n00:04:06,902 --> 00:04:29,587\n市長,因為民生跟那個產業的部分一個是約2800一個約4000這些都等於是幫忙扛住了這不是台電的員工不認真也不是台電不努力就確實是因為吸收了這些本來如果完全是民間的他可能就跟你漲上去了但是因為富有國家的任務富有穩定那我們都知道\n\n13\n00:04:30,987 --> 00:04:31,127\n賴瑞隆\n\n14\n00:04:59,261 --> 00:05:22,597\n人民去承擔嘛,你漲起來的話,那民生這些物價的波動,人民恐怕要繳納更高的。那我覺得已經努力的做到了,讓一些該負擔的,比如說它的企業獲利很好的狀況,我們給它收起來,收起嘛,把它拉出來。但是對於基層這一塊的民生呢,我們盡量努力穩住它。\n\n15\n00:05:23,257 --> 00:05:23,377\n董事長﹖\n\n16\n00:05:51,129 --> 00:05:58,176\n報告委員,那個增資的部分沒有辦法拿來處理累虧因為臺電現在最重要的問題是要處理累虧問題那1500億其實跟委員報告我們這幾年大概是臺電投資電力建設最高峰的時候包括電網的建設還有發電設備的建設這一點是1500億是要支持建設\n\n17\n00:06:33,575 --> 00:06:33,675\n賴瑞隆\n\n18\n00:06:56,585 --> 00:06:56,725\n賴瑞隆\n\n19\n00:07:16,408 --> 00:07:43,116\n繼續說明啦那我希望說的立院同仁大家支持台灣是大家的台灣的電力要持續的穩定電不會從天上掉下來你不發電你不穩定整個電力的系統的話那像高雄是持續在努力的高雄的電力有40%中送北送我們還在蓋新的燃氣電廠為什麼因為台灣需要特別是未來的半導體產業鏈包括AI都很需要很多的電力所以我們持續做\n\n20\n00:07:44,016 --> 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謝謝那我要講的也是其實我要講到也是要穩健的運作如果臺電持續的面臨到財務上的壓力所以接下來當然要談的其實\n這一段時間其實最早是在2022年的時候這個二無戰爭以後導致到了整個電價油價的上漲而導致了整個虧損包括臺電、中油的虧損然後我們又強制的去壓住希望不要因為民生上的影響而造成的物價的波動我們希望穩定住通膨所以臺灣的通膨其實控制的相當好物價控制的相當好\n這個也是導致很多國家都幾乎都面臨到通膨的問題甚至執政權都垮掉了甚至人民是抱怨聲很大但是我們穩住了但是我們穩住了這個部分變成臺電跟中油就扛住了這個責任了扛住了這個責任之後虧損就很大所以我認為其實國家當我們這幾年經濟這麼好的時候我們的稅收也都增加我們的盈餘這麼多的時候其實支持臺電支持中油我認為是應該要做的\n臺電跟中央等於是幫我們扛住了第一線如果我們遇到了通膨的問題甚至遇到了恐怕遇到的挑戰更大了所以我認為立法院其實應該要支持這樣的預算所以我們看到其實整個總的臺電吸收的成本總數加起來這幾年大概支撐了6794億這個數字正確吧董事長\n市長,因為民生跟那個產業的部分一個是約2800一個約4000這些都等於是幫忙扛住了這不是台電的員工不認真也不是台電不努力就確實是因為吸收了這些本來如果完全是民間的他可能就跟你漲上去了但是因為富有國家的任務富有穩定那我們都知道\n賴瑞隆\n人民去承擔嘛,你漲起來的話,那民生這些物價的波動,人民恐怕要繳納更高的。那我覺得已經努力的做到了,讓一些該負擔的,比如說它的企業獲利很好的狀況,我們給它收起來,收起嘛,把它拉出來。但是對於基層這一塊的民生呢,我們盡量努力穩住它。\n董事長﹖\n報告委員,那個增資的部分沒有辦法拿來處理累虧因為臺電現在最重要的問題是要處理累虧問題那1500億其實跟委員報告我們這幾年大概是臺電投資電力建設最高峰的時候包括電網的建設還有發電設備的建設這一點是1500億是要支持建設\n﹗\n賴瑞隆\n賴瑞隆\n繼續說明啦那我希望說的立院同仁大家支持台灣是大家的台灣的電力要持續的穩定電不會從天上掉下來你不發電你不穩定整個電力的系統的話那像高雄是持續在努力的高雄的電力有40%中送北送我們還在蓋新的燃氣電廠為什麼因為台灣需要特別是未來的半導體產業鏈包括AI都很需要很多的電力所以我們持續做\n謝謝瑞隆委員接著我們請嚴寬恒委員質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.751 --> 00:07.107\n經濟部次長聯次長跟台電董事長聯次長跟曾文森董事長\n\n00:09.917 --> 00:35.029\n市長先提一下軟性一點的這一次我們的棒球拿到了12強的冠軍我想全國都很開心其實我也要特別提到臺灣隊長陳潔憲也是臺電人臺電當時也支撐他我們看他履歷有一段時間是在臺電如果當時沒有在臺電也許就不一定能夠延續到他這麼好的一個機會所以我還是要肯定\n\n00:36.230 --> 00:53.184\n臺電其實除了在發電上的供應外其實臺電球隊其實在民間這件事情上其實有所貢獻那當年曾經在2013年曾經為了要省1億的這個經費曾經考慮要解散還好後來沒解散啦如果解散了大概就沒有成績了董事長你的看法呢\n\n00:54.841 --> 01:11.337\n我跟委員報告這個其實這個臺灣隊長真的臺電不敢鞠躬我們只能夠說臺電一直都是提供一個基層的棒球環境的支持那他的成就確實他的努力那我要講的事情是臺電不只只有棒球隊我們有6個球隊\n\n01:12.818 --> 01:39.155\n其實我們球隊的同仁留在臺電的工作表現其實都不錯那其實站在臺電的立場我們是希望說那部長上次去視察臺電他也特別要求我們多招募球員然後這些球員其實未來臺電很多工作他們都能升任我們會持續﹖所以這些球隊都會延續嗎對不對﹖球員的﹖董事長這些球隊都會延續下去嗎而且特別跟委員報告一件事\n\n01:41.939 --> 01:55.976\n臺電提供的這種位置,因為我們基本上是一個固定的工作,球員有廚藝的問題,我們退役的問題,所以我們有在設想一個新的辦法,就是我們覺得說如果來臺電的球員未來他想打職業隊,我們會鼓勵他去打職業隊。\n\n02:00.097 --> 02:28.336\n他在台電的職務我們會幫他保留有一天當他退下了職業隊能夠再銜接回來我認為這樣很好啦我也期盼未來特別是這些都是相當優秀的一些那我覺得不管是職棒或民間的他們都有一個很好的銜接管道你才能夠讓更多優秀人才進入到這個體系內那他們才有機會為台灣創下了很好的一些成果就是他的運動員生涯之後如果願意在台電我們非常非常歡迎\n\n02:28.456 --> 02:46.703\n所以臺電在穩定的獲利、穩定的經營狀況下還是會全力來支撐這6個球隊的運作是好謝謝那我要講的也是其實我要講到也是要穩健的運作如果臺電持續的面臨到財務上的壓力所以接下來當然要談的其實\n\n02:48.323 --> 03:11.613\n這一段時間其實最早是在2022年的時候這個二無戰爭以後導致到了整個電價油價的上漲而導致了整個虧損包括臺電、中油的虧損然後我們又強制的去壓住希望不要因為民生上的影響而造成的物價的波動我們希望穩定住通膨所以臺灣的通膨其實控制的相當好物價控制的相當好\n\n03:12.593 --> 03:40.107\n這個也是導致很多國家都幾乎都面臨到通膨的問題甚至執政權都垮掉了甚至人民是抱怨聲很大但是我們穩住了但是我們穩住了這個部分變成臺電跟中油就扛住了這個責任了扛住了這個責任之後虧損就很大所以我認為其實國家當我們這幾年經濟這麼好的時候我們的稅收也都增加我們的盈餘這麼多的時候其實支持臺電支持中油我認為是應該要做的\n\n03:41.127 --> 04:02.874\n臺電跟中央等於是幫我們扛住了第一線如果我們遇到了通膨的問題甚至遇到了恐怕遇到的挑戰更大了所以我認為立法院其實應該要支持這樣的預算所以我們看到其實整個總的臺電吸收的成本總數加起來這幾年大概支撐了6794億這個數字正確吧董事長\n\n04:06.902 --> 04:29.587\n市長,因為民生跟那個產業的部分一個是約2800一個約4000這些都等於是幫忙扛住了這不是台電的員工不認真也不是台電不努力就確實是因為吸收了這些本來如果完全是民間的他可能就跟你漲上去了但是因為富有國家的任務富有穩定那我們都知道\n\n04:30.987 --> 04:31.127\n賴瑞隆\n\n04:59.261 --> 05:22.597\n人民去承擔嘛,你漲起來的話,那民生這些物價的波動,人民恐怕要繳納更高的。那我覺得已經努力的做到了,讓一些該負擔的,比如說它的企業獲利很好的狀況,我們給它收起來,收起嘛,把它拉出來。但是對於基層這一塊的民生呢,我們盡量努力穩住它。\n\n05:23.257 --> 05:23.377\n董事長﹖\n\n05:51.129 --> 05:58.176\n報告委員,那個增資的部分沒有辦法拿來處理累虧因為臺電現在最重要的問題是要處理累虧問題那1500億其實跟委員報告我們這幾年大概是臺電投資電力建設最高峰的時候包括電網的建設還有發電設備的建設這一點是1500億是要支持建設\n\n06:33.575 --> 06:33.675\n賴瑞隆\n\n06:56.585 --> 06:56.725\n賴瑞隆\n\n07:16.408 --> 07:43.116\n繼續說明啦那我希望說的立院同仁大家支持台灣是大家的台灣的電力要持續的穩定電不會從天上掉下來你不發電你不穩定整個電力的系統的話那像高雄是持續在努力的高雄的電力有40%中送北送我們還在蓋新的燃氣電廠為什麼因為台灣需要特別是未來的半導體產業鏈包括AI都很需要很多的電力所以我們持續做\n\n07:44.016 --> 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