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00:03:56,965\n從10月1號就已經開放10月1號還是11月10月1號10月1號開始開放這個平台來測試了齁那目前測試的這個進度跟這個我跟委員報告是10月1號已經開始使用了不是測試等之前我們已經測試完成10月1號就開放同仁開始進來上去選田了我們給他一段時間嘛因為明年1月1號開始上路所以現在開始已經可以使用了對不對10月1號開始\n\n11\n00:04:00,747 --> 00:04:17,142\n11月1日11月1日11月1日我們就開始開放這個平台的使用目前這個使用運作上面我們的這個測試的進度跟我們有沒有掌握目前在運作上面有沒有什麼缺失我請局長說明\n\n12\n00:04:18,323 --> 00:04:40,612\n司法委員其實我們11月1號就已經開放我們所有新進的公教人員可以上這個平台去選擇他未來的自主投資他要積極或穩健或保守那我們目前是有發個函是希望我們所有新進的公教人員在12月10號以前就可以決定他明年所需要的投資組合分目前使用上面有沒有什麼樣的回饋目前並沒有任何的困難\n\n13\n00:04:45,734 --> 00:04:46,554\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n14\n00:05:01,961 --> 00:05:27,454\n這個尋答的時候個人有特別請全序部要針對我們公教人員個人專戶的這個退府儲金自主投資跟代為投資的運用要提出實施計畫那我看你們在7月18你們把這個實施計畫有提出來有提出這個有關公教人員個人專戶退府儲金自主投資或及這個代為投資的運用實施計畫那所以我就\n\n15\n00:05:28,354 --> 00:05:31,899\n今天接下來就來看就跟著部長來看好我們這個實施計畫裡面的一些內容\n\n16\n00:05:38,973 --> 00:06:01,243\n我看你們齁有關於這個公教人員個人專戶退府儲金風險屬性的評估齁你們在這裡面有提到這個風險屬性評估那風險屬性評估我現在看到的你們在就是有一份問卷啦齁我看到一份問卷表就現在如這邊所示的這個問卷表啦齁那這個我們這個\n\n17\n00:06:03,814 --> 00:06:13,271\n這個問卷我們有沒有會定期的來調整問卷的內容?或者是問卷的內容是不是能夠確保反映最新的市場投資跟投資人的需求?\n\n18\n00:06:15,294 --> 00:06:37,070\n報告委員,那這個問卷,風水屬性問卷那種是經過我們一個投資決策小組所有的,包括外面專家的跟學者的一些共同決定出來的,那這個部分其實是我們公交人員可以隨時去評估自己的狀況?因為一般的民間的投資平台,他也有做這種,他在KYC他們也都有做這樣子的問卷\n\n19\n00:06:38,211 --> 00:06:48,737\n但他們這個問卷他們大概會在很短的時間他們會一直不斷的更新不斷的去這個檢討更新這個問卷的內容那我現在就是要請你們說在這個經過小規模測試以後我們目前我們還是要定期的去驗證這個問卷的有效性那我們能夠再做定期的檢討跟更新的好不好謝謝委員指教我想這個民間都是這樣做我們也會定期來看看因為這雖然都是最基本的經過專家討論\n\n20\n00:07:06,627 --> 00:07:18,595\n我想定期還是可以再檢視說有沒有需要做這個問題的再做一些更新或補充。好,那我接下來我們看你們的這個相關有關於這個相關的這個預算,因為今天這個預算審查嘛。\n\n21\n00:07:24,278 --> 00:07:46,114\n那這個你們有關於這個相關的投資平台的預算齁你們在我看到全序部所編列的有關宣導自主投資平台的預算大概只有四百四百九十四百九十三萬對不對大部分我看大部分的這個這個有關退伏基金有關這個這個這個\n\n22\n00:07:49,107 --> 00:08:08,562\n大部分的編列在我們退府基金管理局裡面。退府基金管理局裡面我們編列了多少一億三千六百萬有關於這個自主投資平台的相關預算有一億三千六百萬那這個\n\n23\n00:08:12,554 --> 00:08:27,627\n我看到你們的實施計畫裡面齁你們包括這個管理局齁你們有有這個定期考核投資顧問定期檢視各個投資標的並定期公告這個定期到底是定多久的期有沒有你們有沒有\n\n24\n00:08:30,334 --> 00:08:44,529\n報告委員我們原則上每個月都會公告我們所有自主投資的各個組合的投資每個月公告一次喔每個月會公告我先是要了解說因為你們都寫定期定期我要了解說這個定期到底是多久啦齁那我看你們目前所辦的這個這個\n\n25\n00:08:47,402 --> 00:09:02,617\n這個宣導的辦理的場次齁你們說在北中南東共舉辦了24場實體教育宣導跟兩場的線上宣導啦齁兩場線上宣導那在這個部分齁我還是希望說例如說你們北中南東\n\n26\n00:09:03,678 --> 00:09:21,613\n像我們現在目前的大都會區桃園就沒有包括在內另外外島的部分我想也必須更需要加強的教育宣導所以這部分我希望說你們能夠加以補足好不好好那我部長就請接著我們請秘書長好不好秘書長委員長秘書長早\n\n27\n00:09:29,363 --> 00:09:57,280\n因為我們的考試委員到今年8月底就任滿了所以9月1號開始我們目前考試院是進入看守期那這個這個看守期我看你們所這個考試院你們所發布的新聞稿表示說目前我們在看守期間目前已暫停法案審查作業及重大政策的決定對不對\n\n28\n00:09:59,403 --> 00:10:15,054\n那這個這個我們就這個事實上進入看守期我們在因為之前我們這個考試委員的這個人事同意權一直沒有進行審查也一直沒有進行處理啦齁所以在這個看守我們事實上\n\n29\n00:10:16,420 --> 00:10:40,763\n就考試而言有很多部分依法法定上面會遇到困難雖然我們之前有一些權宜措施提早的把這個今年一部分考試的典事委員有做的處理對不對那接下來假設這一次的人事同意權沒有通過會有什麼樣的影響\n\n30\n00:10:42,079 --> 00:10:47,282\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分\n\n31\n00:11:00,093 --> 00:11:06,899\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部主管收支部分關於考試院及所屬主管收支部分關於考試院及所屬主管收支部分\n\n32\n00:11:22,335 --> 00:11:43,902\n但這個第4場就已經沒有辦法再用權宜措施了嘛對不對在8月的時候沒有辦法處理因為他要報缺那他不可能提前掌握那麼清楚的掌握到人力的需求對所以也就是說這個我們有關考試委員的人事同意權在這一次的審查假設都沒有通過我們馬上這個明年第4次考試\n\n33\n00:11:46,140 --> 00:12:11,138\n會有法制上的困難。這個是法定的嗎?典事法裡面規定由院長合體典事委員長。就這個部分是法制上面比較難突破的一個部分。對,這個部分我是非常憂心。不只是這樣子,我們現在進入所謂的看守期。我看我們法制上面\n\n34\n00:12:12,672 --> 00:12:20,459\n例如說我們過去都是考試院的會議記錄現在我們修改這個考試院會議規則我們用修改會議規則的方式來繼續讓考試院能夠繼續在看守期來運作\n\n35\n00:12:37,253 --> 00:12:38,514\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n36\n00:12:54,345 --> 00:13:15,978\n這個部分應該這樣就是說其實三位首長是院會僅存的成員他們本來就是院會的出席者但是你們以前之前都是考試院第幾屆的第幾次會議記錄但是我看你們現在已經沒有第幾次會議記錄了也就是說你們認定你們也是認定這個不算是一次\n\n37\n00:13:17,518 --> 00:13:46,116\n應該說這個是他的名稱啦因為我們現在並不是13屆也不是14屆所以我們後來用日期來定這個會議名稱所以我們這個會議是這樣第一個他只能處理緊急必要事項那我舉兩個例子一個就是典事法裡面所有要求要有必須要有經過院會的議案讓典事程序可以繼續往下走第二個就是像是跨院的會嫌案比如說我們的體育部的這個整個修法運動部的修法\n\n38\n00:13:46,476 --> 00:14:01,116\n他牽涉到中央機關組織基準法必須要考試院會選那院會是考試院的決策機制好這個部分齁這個部分我是擔心未來在這個釋法性上面齁是不是合憲合法這個部分齁恐怕會有點爭議啦齁不過\n\n39\n00:14:03,991 --> 00:14:19,205\n最後優關這個比較跟人民權益直接影響的在這個網路上面有看到現在目前在看守期我們所發的這些相關的考試及格證書上面沒有院長的名字\n\n40\n00:14:20,931 --> 00:14:35,022\n但是這個不影響效力?對,不影響效力但是很多拿到證書的這些考生對於這個上面寫考試院院長出缺這樣的字眼對於這個拿到證書的人希望是\n\n41\n00:14:39,841 --> 00:14:42,083\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n42\n00:14:58,291 --> 00:15:19,523\n正書是只發只有一個版本因為他跟他的發出日有關所以他不能再換發成另外一個可以啊他如果遺失就可以補發啊遺失就發證明書證明書遺失之後只發證明書所以證書只發一次對政府只有只發一次因為這些人他們以後一輩子拿的就是考試院院長出缺的證\n\n43\n00:15:20,632 --> 00:15:35,840\n但是它就是考試院發出的證書?是啦我知道這個效力是沒有影響的但是在網路上面就很多拿到證書的考生大家就是對於這樣的證書很有意見啦大家就說如果真的不能補發他們就要去報遺失那發證明書的話?\n\n44\n00:15:39,059 --> 00:15:56,612\n就是用證明書的那個日期來處理這個我就覺得這個政治影響到人民的權益這個就是一個最大的例子我希望說我們是不是能夠研議看看因為這些證書相關的這些證書有的這些相關專業技術他們都要貼在都要貼在他們的這個相關的這個職業場所這上面就寫一個院長出缺\n\n45\n00:16:08,865 --> 00:16:10,526\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n14452\t30657\t主席我們先請全序部請部長市長好市長好今天我首先利用這個機會來跟部長來探討一個問題我們從今年7月1號開始我們出任公教人員個人專戶制的退服制度開始採行\n43881\t70727\t這個我在今年的這個3月的3月13號的這個在委員會的巡打齁那時候我特別有請我們的全序部齁就這個這個目前這個退府除金齁我們要採的相關的這些問題提出提出一些詢問齁那在3月的時候我那時候問到說我們目前退府除金的參與的人數跟他的規模齁\n72216\t86250\t那個時候3月的時候大概是8000多人那時候的規模大概是6億那請問部長現在11月現在目前的參與人數跟他的規模大概是怎麼樣現在參與人數大概是23000多人\n89346\t90007\t三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n114298\t115418\t二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n139395\t152203\t當年給預估大概兩萬五千人左右因為我們也有辦理這些新制的這些說明教育說明但是這些新進人員我們有針對這些陸續進來的新進人員有再繼續辦理這樣子相關的\n159073\t164638\t收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選\n178031\t181912\t收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分\n205636\t206585\t自己選的?從什麼時候開始測試?\n209530\t236965\t從10月1號就已經開放10月1號還是11月10月1號10月1號開始開放這個平台來測試了齁那目前測試的這個進度跟這個我跟委員報告是10月1號已經開始使用了不是測試等之前我們已經測試完成10月1號就開放同仁開始進來上去選田了我們給他一段時間嘛因為明年1月1號開始上路所以現在開始已經可以使用了對不對10月1號開始\n240747\t257142\t11月1日11月1日11月1日我們就開始開放這個平台的使用目前這個使用運作上面我們的這個測試的進度跟我們有沒有掌握目前在運作上面有沒有什麼缺失我請局長說明\n258323\t280612\t司法委員其實我們11月1號就已經開放我們所有新進的公教人員可以上這個平台去選擇他未來的自主投資他要積極或穩健或保守那我們目前是有發個函是希望我們所有新進的公教人員在12月10號以前就可以決定他明年所需要的投資組合分目前使用上面有沒有什麼樣的回饋目前並沒有任何的困難\n285734\t286554\t三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n301961\t327454\t這個尋答的時候個人有特別請全序部要針對我們公教人員個人專戶的這個退府儲金自主投資跟代為投資的運用要提出實施計畫那我看你們在7月18你們把這個實施計畫有提出來有提出這個有關公教人員個人專戶退府儲金自主投資或及這個代為投資的運用實施計畫那所以我就\n328354\t331899\t今天接下來就來看就跟著部長來看好我們這個實施計畫裡面的一些內容\n338973\t361243\t我看你們齁有關於這個公教人員個人專戶退府儲金風險屬性的評估齁你們在這裡面有提到這個風險屬性評估那風險屬性評估我現在看到的你們在就是有一份問卷啦齁我看到一份問卷表就現在如這邊所示的這個問卷表啦齁那這個我們這個\n363814\t373271\t這個問卷我們有沒有會定期的來調整問卷的內容?或者是問卷的內容是不是能夠確保反映最新的市場投資跟投資人的需求?\n375294\t397070\t報告委員,那這個問卷,風水屬性問卷那種是經過我們一個投資決策小組所有的,包括外面專家的跟學者的一些共同決定出來的,那這個部分其實是我們公交人員可以隨時去評估自己的狀況?因為一般的民間的投資平台,他也有做這種,他在KYC他們也都有做這樣子的問卷\n398211\t408737\t但他們這個問卷他們大概會在很短的時間他們會一直不斷的更新不斷的去這個檢討更新這個問卷的內容那我現在就是要請你們說在這個經過小規模測試以後我們目前我們還是要定期的去驗證這個問卷的有效性那我們能夠再做定期的檢討跟更新的好不好謝謝委員指教我想這個民間都是這樣做我們也會定期來看看因為這雖然都是最基本的經過專家討論\n426627\t438595\t我想定期還是可以再檢視說有沒有需要做這個問題的再做一些更新或補充。好,那我接下來我們看你們的這個相關有關於這個相關的這個預算,因為今天這個預算審查嘛。\n444278\t466114\t那這個你們有關於這個相關的投資平台的預算齁你們在我看到全序部所編列的有關宣導自主投資平台的預算大概只有四百四百九十四百九十三萬對不對大部分我看大部分的這個這個有關退伏基金有關這個這個這個\n469107\t488562\t大部分的編列在我們退府基金管理局裡面。退府基金管理局裡面我們編列了多少一億三千六百萬有關於這個自主投資平台的相關預算有一億三千六百萬那這個\n492554\t507627\t我看到你們的實施計畫裡面齁你們包括這個管理局齁你們有有這個定期考核投資顧問定期檢視各個投資標的並定期公告這個定期到底是定多久的期有沒有你們有沒有\n510334\t524529\t報告委員我們原則上每個月都會公告我們所有自主投資的各個組合的投資每個月公告一次喔每個月會公告我先是要了解說因為你們都寫定期定期我要了解說這個定期到底是多久啦齁那我看你們目前所辦的這個這個\n527402\t542617\t這個宣導的辦理的場次齁你們說在北中南東共舉辦了24場實體教育宣導跟兩場的線上宣導啦齁兩場線上宣導那在這個部分齁我還是希望說例如說你們北中南東\n543678\t561613\t像我們現在目前的大都會區桃園就沒有包括在內另外外島的部分我想也必須更需要加強的教育宣導所以這部分我希望說你們能夠加以補足好不好好那我部長就請接著我們請秘書長好不好秘書長委員長秘書長早\n569363\t597280\t因為我們的考試委員到今年8月底就任滿了所以9月1號開始我們目前考試院是進入看守期那這個這個看守期我看你們所這個考試院你們所發布的新聞稿表示說目前我們在看守期間目前已暫停法案審查作業及重大政策的決定對不對\n599403\t615054\t那這個這個我們就這個事實上進入看守期我們在因為之前我們這個考試委員的這個人事同意權一直沒有進行審查也一直沒有進行處理啦齁所以在這個看守我們事實上\n616420\t640763\t就考試而言有很多部分依法法定上面會遇到困難雖然我們之前有一些權宜措施提早的把這個今年一部分考試的典事委員有做的處理對不對那接下來假設這一次的人事同意權沒有通過會有什麼樣的影響\n642079\t647282\t二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分\n660093\t666899\t二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部主管收支部分關於考試院及所屬主管收支部分關於考試院及所屬主管收支部分\n682335\t703902\t但這個第4場就已經沒有辦法再用權宜措施了嘛對不對在8月的時候沒有辦法處理因為他要報缺那他不可能提前掌握那麼清楚的掌握到人力的需求對所以也就是說這個我們有關考試委員的人事同意權在這一次的審查假設都沒有通過我們馬上這個明年第4次考試\n706140\t731138\t會有法制上的困難。這個是法定的嗎?典事法裡面規定由院長合體典事委員長。就這個部分是法制上面比較難突破的一個部分。對,這個部分我是非常憂心。不只是這樣子,我們現在進入所謂的看守期。我看我們法制上面\n732672\t740459\t例如說我們過去都是考試院的會議記錄現在我們修改這個考試院會議規則我們用修改會議規則的方式來繼續讓考試院能夠繼續在看守期來運作\n757253\t758514\t二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n774345\t795978\t這個部分應該這樣就是說其實三位首長是院會僅存的成員他們本來就是院會的出席者但是你們以前之前都是考試院第幾屆的第幾次會議記錄但是我看你們現在已經沒有第幾次會議記錄了也就是說你們認定你們也是認定這個不算是一次\n797518\t826116\t應該說這個是他的名稱啦因為我們現在並不是13屆也不是14屆所以我們後來用日期來定這個會議名稱所以我們這個會議是這樣第一個他只能處理緊急必要事項那我舉兩個例子一個就是典事法裡面所有要求要有必須要有經過院會的議案讓典事程序可以繼續往下走第二個就是像是跨院的會嫌案比如說我們的體育部的這個整個修法運動部的修法\n826476\t841116\t他牽涉到中央機關組織基準法必須要考試院會選那院會是考試院的決策機制好這個部分齁這個部分我是擔心未來在這個釋法性上面齁是不是合憲合法這個部分齁恐怕會有點爭議啦齁不過\n843991\t859205\t最後優關這個比較跟人民權益直接影響的在這個網路上面有看到現在目前在看守期我們所發的這些相關的考試及格證書上面沒有院長的名字\n860931\t875022\t但是這個不影響效力?對,不影響效力但是很多拿到證書的這些考生對於這個上面寫考試院院長出缺這樣的字眼對於這個拿到證書的人希望是\n879841\t882083\t三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n898291\t919523\t正書是只發只有一個版本因為他跟他的發出日有關所以他不能再換發成另外一個可以啊他如果遺失就可以補發啊遺失就發證明書證明書遺失之後只發證明書所以證書只發一次對政府只有只發一次因為這些人他們以後一輩子拿的就是考試院院長出缺的證\n920632\t935840\t但是它就是考試院發出的證書?是啦我知道這個效力是沒有影響的但是在網路上面就很多拿到證書的考生大家就是對於這樣的證書很有意見啦大家就說如果真的不能補發他們就要去報遺失那發證明書的話?\n939059\t956612\t就是用證明書的那個日期來處理這個我就覺得這個政治影響到人民的權益這個就是一個最大的例子我希望說我們是不是能夠研議看看因為這些證書相關的這些證書有的這些相關專業技術他們都要貼在都要貼在他們的這個相關的這個職業場所這上面就寫一個院長出缺\n968865\t970526\t三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n","txt":"主席我們先請全序部請部長市長好市長好今天我首先利用這個機會來跟部長來探討一個問題我們從今年7月1號開始我們出任公教人員個人專戶制的退服制度開始採行\n這個我在今年的這個3月的3月13號的這個在委員會的巡打齁那時候我特別有請我們的全序部齁就這個這個目前這個退府除金齁我們要採的相關的這些問題提出提出一些詢問齁那在3月的時候我那時候問到說我們目前退府除金的參與的人數跟他的規模齁\n那個時候3月的時候大概是8000多人那時候的規模大概是6億那請問部長現在11月現在目前的參與人數跟他的規模大概是怎麼樣現在參與人數大概是23000多人\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n當年給預估大概兩萬五千人左右因為我們也有辦理這些新制的這些說明教育說明但是這些新進人員我們有針對這些陸續進來的新進人員有再繼續辦理這樣子相關的\n收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選\n收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分\n自己選的?從什麼時候開始測試?\n從10月1號就已經開放10月1號還是11月10月1號10月1號開始開放這個平台來測試了齁那目前測試的這個進度跟這個我跟委員報告是10月1號已經開始使用了不是測試等之前我們已經測試完成10月1號就開放同仁開始進來上去選田了我們給他一段時間嘛因為明年1月1號開始上路所以現在開始已經可以使用了對不對10月1號開始\n11月1日11月1日11月1日我們就開始開放這個平台的使用目前這個使用運作上面我們的這個測試的進度跟我們有沒有掌握目前在運作上面有沒有什麼缺失我請局長說明\n司法委員其實我們11月1號就已經開放我們所有新進的公教人員可以上這個平台去選擇他未來的自主投資他要積極或穩健或保守那我們目前是有發個函是希望我們所有新進的公教人員在12月10號以前就可以決定他明年所需要的投資組合分目前使用上面有沒有什麼樣的回饋目前並沒有任何的困難\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n這個尋答的時候個人有特別請全序部要針對我們公教人員個人專戶的這個退府儲金自主投資跟代為投資的運用要提出實施計畫那我看你們在7月18你們把這個實施計畫有提出來有提出這個有關公教人員個人專戶退府儲金自主投資或及這個代為投資的運用實施計畫那所以我就\n今天接下來就來看就跟著部長來看好我們這個實施計畫裡面的一些內容\n我看你們齁有關於這個公教人員個人專戶退府儲金風險屬性的評估齁你們在這裡面有提到這個風險屬性評估那風險屬性評估我現在看到的你們在就是有一份問卷啦齁我看到一份問卷表就現在如這邊所示的這個問卷表啦齁那這個我們這個\n這個問卷我們有沒有會定期的來調整問卷的內容?或者是問卷的內容是不是能夠確保反映最新的市場投資跟投資人的需求?\n報告委員,那這個問卷,風水屬性問卷那種是經過我們一個投資決策小組所有的,包括外面專家的跟學者的一些共同決定出來的,那這個部分其實是我們公交人員可以隨時去評估自己的狀況?因為一般的民間的投資平台,他也有做這種,他在KYC他們也都有做這樣子的問卷\n但他們這個問卷他們大概會在很短的時間他們會一直不斷的更新不斷的去這個檢討更新這個問卷的內容那我現在就是要請你們說在這個經過小規模測試以後我們目前我們還是要定期的去驗證這個問卷的有效性那我們能夠再做定期的檢討跟更新的好不好謝謝委員指教我想這個民間都是這樣做我們也會定期來看看因為這雖然都是最基本的經過專家討論\n我想定期還是可以再檢視說有沒有需要做這個問題的再做一些更新或補充。好,那我接下來我們看你們的這個相關有關於這個相關的這個預算,因為今天這個預算審查嘛。\n那這個你們有關於這個相關的投資平台的預算齁你們在我看到全序部所編列的有關宣導自主投資平台的預算大概只有四百四百九十四百九十三萬對不對大部分我看大部分的這個這個有關退伏基金有關這個這個這個\n大部分的編列在我們退府基金管理局裡面。退府基金管理局裡面我們編列了多少一億三千六百萬有關於這個自主投資平台的相關預算有一億三千六百萬那這個\n我看到你們的實施計畫裡面齁你們包括這個管理局齁你們有有這個定期考核投資顧問定期檢視各個投資標的並定期公告這個定期到底是定多久的期有沒有你們有沒有\n報告委員我們原則上每個月都會公告我們所有自主投資的各個組合的投資每個月公告一次喔每個月會公告我先是要了解說因為你們都寫定期定期我要了解說這個定期到底是多久啦齁那我看你們目前所辦的這個這個\n這個宣導的辦理的場次齁你們說在北中南東共舉辦了24場實體教育宣導跟兩場的線上宣導啦齁兩場線上宣導那在這個部分齁我還是希望說例如說你們北中南東\n像我們現在目前的大都會區桃園就沒有包括在內另外外島的部分我想也必須更需要加強的教育宣導所以這部分我希望說你們能夠加以補足好不好好那我部長就請接著我們請秘書長好不好秘書長委員長秘書長早\n因為我們的考試委員到今年8月底就任滿了所以9月1號開始我們目前考試院是進入看守期那這個這個看守期我看你們所這個考試院你們所發布的新聞稿表示說目前我們在看守期間目前已暫停法案審查作業及重大政策的決定對不對\n那這個這個我們就這個事實上進入看守期我們在因為之前我們這個考試委員的這個人事同意權一直沒有進行審查也一直沒有進行處理啦齁所以在這個看守我們事實上\n就考試而言有很多部分依法法定上面會遇到困難雖然我們之前有一些權宜措施提早的把這個今年一部分考試的典事委員有做的處理對不對那接下來假設這一次的人事同意權沒有通過會有什麼樣的影響\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部主管收支部分關於考試院及所屬主管收支部分關於考試院及所屬主管收支部分\n但這個第4場就已經沒有辦法再用權宜措施了嘛對不對在8月的時候沒有辦法處理因為他要報缺那他不可能提前掌握那麼清楚的掌握到人力的需求對所以也就是說這個我們有關考試委員的人事同意權在這一次的審查假設都沒有通過我們馬上這個明年第4次考試\n會有法制上的困難。這個是法定的嗎?典事法裡面規定由院長合體典事委員長。就這個部分是法制上面比較難突破的一個部分。對,這個部分我是非常憂心。不只是這樣子,我們現在進入所謂的看守期。我看我們法制上面\n例如說我們過去都是考試院的會議記錄現在我們修改這個考試院會議規則我們用修改會議規則的方式來繼續讓考試院能夠繼續在看守期來運作\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n這個部分應該這樣就是說其實三位首長是院會僅存的成員他們本來就是院會的出席者但是你們以前之前都是考試院第幾屆的第幾次會議記錄但是我看你們現在已經沒有第幾次會議記錄了也就是說你們認定你們也是認定這個不算是一次\n應該說這個是他的名稱啦因為我們現在並不是13屆也不是14屆所以我們後來用日期來定這個會議名稱所以我們這個會議是這樣第一個他只能處理緊急必要事項那我舉兩個例子一個就是典事法裡面所有要求要有必須要有經過院會的議案讓典事程序可以繼續往下走第二個就是像是跨院的會嫌案比如說我們的體育部的這個整個修法運動部的修法\n他牽涉到中央機關組織基準法必須要考試院會選那院會是考試院的決策機制好這個部分齁這個部分我是擔心未來在這個釋法性上面齁是不是合憲合法這個部分齁恐怕會有點爭議啦齁不過\n最後優關這個比較跟人民權益直接影響的在這個網路上面有看到現在目前在看守期我們所發的這些相關的考試及格證書上面沒有院長的名字\n但是這個不影響效力?對,不影響效力但是很多拿到證書的這些考生對於這個上面寫考試院院長出缺這樣的字眼對於這個拿到證書的人希望是\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n正書是只發只有一個版本因為他跟他的發出日有關所以他不能再換發成另外一個可以啊他如果遺失就可以補發啊遺失就發證明書證明書遺失之後只發證明書所以證書只發一次對政府只有只發一次因為這些人他們以後一輩子拿的就是考試院院長出缺的證\n但是它就是考試院發出的證書?是啦我知道這個效力是沒有影響的但是在網路上面就很多拿到證書的考生大家就是對於這樣的證書很有意見啦大家就說如果真的不能補發他們就要去報遺失那發證明書的話?\n就是用證明書的那個日期來處理這個我就覺得這個政治影響到人民的權益這個就是一個最大的例子我希望說我們是不是能夠研議看看因為這些證書相關的這些證書有的這些相關專業技術他們都要貼在都要貼在他們的這個相關的這個職業場所這上面就寫一個院長出缺\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:14.452 --> 00:30.657\n主席我們先請全序部請部長市長好市長好今天我首先利用這個機會來跟部長來探討一個問題我們從今年7月1號開始我們出任公教人員個人專戶制的退服制度開始採行\n\n00:43.881 --> 01:10.727\n這個我在今年的這個3月的3月13號的這個在委員會的巡打齁那時候我特別有請我們的全序部齁就這個這個目前這個退府除金齁我們要採的相關的這些問題提出提出一些詢問齁那在3月的時候我那時候問到說我們目前退府除金的參與的人數跟他的規模齁\n\n01:12.216 --> 01:26.250\n那個時候3月的時候大概是8000多人那時候的規模大概是6億那請問部長現在11月現在目前的參與人數跟他的規模大概是怎麼樣現在參與人數大概是23000多人\n\n01:29.346 --> 01:30.007\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n01:54.298 --> 01:55.418\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n02:19.395 --> 02:32.203\n當年給預估大概兩萬五千人左右因為我們也有辦理這些新制的這些說明教育說明但是這些新進人員我們有針對這些陸續進來的新進人員有再繼續辦理這樣子相關的\n\n02:39.073 --> 02:44.638\n收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選\n\n02:58.031 --> 03:01.912\n收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分\n\n03:25.636 --> 03:26.585\n自己選的?從什麼時候開始測試?\n\n03:29.530 --> 03:56.965\n從10月1號就已經開放10月1號還是11月10月1號10月1號開始開放這個平台來測試了齁那目前測試的這個進度跟這個我跟委員報告是10月1號已經開始使用了不是測試等之前我們已經測試完成10月1號就開放同仁開始進來上去選田了我們給他一段時間嘛因為明年1月1號開始上路所以現在開始已經可以使用了對不對10月1號開始\n\n04:00.747 --> 04:17.142\n11月1日11月1日11月1日我們就開始開放這個平台的使用目前這個使用運作上面我們的這個測試的進度跟我們有沒有掌握目前在運作上面有沒有什麼缺失我請局長說明\n\n04:18.323 --> 04:40.612\n司法委員其實我們11月1號就已經開放我們所有新進的公教人員可以上這個平台去選擇他未來的自主投資他要積極或穩健或保守那我們目前是有發個函是希望我們所有新進的公教人員在12月10號以前就可以決定他明年所需要的投資組合分目前使用上面有沒有什麼樣的回饋目前並沒有任何的困難\n\n04:45.734 --> 04:46.554\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n05:01.961 --> 05:27.454\n這個尋答的時候個人有特別請全序部要針對我們公教人員個人專戶的這個退府儲金自主投資跟代為投資的運用要提出實施計畫那我看你們在7月18你們把這個實施計畫有提出來有提出這個有關公教人員個人專戶退府儲金自主投資或及這個代為投資的運用實施計畫那所以我就\n\n05:28.354 --> 05:31.899\n今天接下來就來看就跟著部長來看好我們這個實施計畫裡面的一些內容\n\n05:38.973 --> 06:01.243\n我看你們齁有關於這個公教人員個人專戶退府儲金風險屬性的評估齁你們在這裡面有提到這個風險屬性評估那風險屬性評估我現在看到的你們在就是有一份問卷啦齁我看到一份問卷表就現在如這邊所示的這個問卷表啦齁那這個我們這個\n\n06:03.814 --> 06:13.271\n這個問卷我們有沒有會定期的來調整問卷的內容?或者是問卷的內容是不是能夠確保反映最新的市場投資跟投資人的需求?\n\n06:15.294 --> 06:37.070\n報告委員,那這個問卷,風水屬性問卷那種是經過我們一個投資決策小組所有的,包括外面專家的跟學者的一些共同決定出來的,那這個部分其實是我們公交人員可以隨時去評估自己的狀況?因為一般的民間的投資平台,他也有做這種,他在KYC他們也都有做這樣子的問卷\n\n06:38.211 --> 06:48.737\n但他們這個問卷他們大概會在很短的時間他們會一直不斷的更新不斷的去這個檢討更新這個問卷的內容那我現在就是要請你們說在這個經過小規模測試以後我們目前我們還是要定期的去驗證這個問卷的有效性那我們能夠再做定期的檢討跟更新的好不好謝謝委員指教我想這個民間都是這樣做我們也會定期來看看因為這雖然都是最基本的經過專家討論\n\n07:06.627 --> 07:18.595\n我想定期還是可以再檢視說有沒有需要做這個問題的再做一些更新或補充。好,那我接下來我們看你們的這個相關有關於這個相關的這個預算,因為今天這個預算審查嘛。\n\n07:24.278 --> 07:46.114\n那這個你們有關於這個相關的投資平台的預算齁你們在我看到全序部所編列的有關宣導自主投資平台的預算大概只有四百四百九十四百九十三萬對不對大部分我看大部分的這個這個有關退伏基金有關這個這個這個\n\n07:49.107 --> 08:08.562\n大部分的編列在我們退府基金管理局裡面。退府基金管理局裡面我們編列了多少一億三千六百萬有關於這個自主投資平台的相關預算有一億三千六百萬那這個\n\n08:12.554 --> 08:27.627\n我看到你們的實施計畫裡面齁你們包括這個管理局齁你們有有這個定期考核投資顧問定期檢視各個投資標的並定期公告這個定期到底是定多久的期有沒有你們有沒有\n\n08:30.334 --> 08:44.529\n報告委員我們原則上每個月都會公告我們所有自主投資的各個組合的投資每個月公告一次喔每個月會公告我先是要了解說因為你們都寫定期定期我要了解說這個定期到底是多久啦齁那我看你們目前所辦的這個這個\n\n08:47.402 --> 09:02.617\n這個宣導的辦理的場次齁你們說在北中南東共舉辦了24場實體教育宣導跟兩場的線上宣導啦齁兩場線上宣導那在這個部分齁我還是希望說例如說你們北中南東\n\n09:03.678 --> 09:21.613\n像我們現在目前的大都會區桃園就沒有包括在內另外外島的部分我想也必須更需要加強的教育宣導所以這部分我希望說你們能夠加以補足好不好好那我部長就請接著我們請秘書長好不好秘書長委員長秘書長早\n\n09:29.363 --> 09:57.280\n因為我們的考試委員到今年8月底就任滿了所以9月1號開始我們目前考試院是進入看守期那這個這個看守期我看你們所這個考試院你們所發布的新聞稿表示說目前我們在看守期間目前已暫停法案審查作業及重大政策的決定對不對\n\n09:59.403 --> 10:15.054\n那這個這個我們就這個事實上進入看守期我們在因為之前我們這個考試委員的這個人事同意權一直沒有進行審查也一直沒有進行處理啦齁所以在這個看守我們事實上\n\n10:16.420 --> 10:40.763\n就考試而言有很多部分依法法定上面會遇到困難雖然我們之前有一些權宜措施提早的把這個今年一部分考試的典事委員有做的處理對不對那接下來假設這一次的人事同意權沒有通過會有什麼樣的影響\n\n10:42.079 --> 10:47.282\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分\n\n11:00.093 --> 11:06.899\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部主管收支部分關於考試院及所屬主管收支部分關於考試院及所屬主管收支部分\n\n11:22.335 --> 11:43.902\n但這個第4場就已經沒有辦法再用權宜措施了嘛對不對在8月的時候沒有辦法處理因為他要報缺那他不可能提前掌握那麼清楚的掌握到人力的需求對所以也就是說這個我們有關考試委員的人事同意權在這一次的審查假設都沒有通過我們馬上這個明年第4次考試\n\n11:46.140 --> 12:11.138\n會有法制上的困難。這個是法定的嗎?典事法裡面規定由院長合體典事委員長。就這個部分是法制上面比較難突破的一個部分。對,這個部分我是非常憂心。不只是這樣子,我們現在進入所謂的看守期。我看我們法制上面\n\n12:12.672 --> 12:20.459\n例如說我們過去都是考試院的會議記錄現在我們修改這個考試院會議規則我們用修改會議規則的方式來繼續讓考試院能夠繼續在看守期來運作\n\n12:37.253 --> 12:38.514\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n12:54.345 --> 13:15.978\n這個部分應該這樣就是說其實三位首長是院會僅存的成員他們本來就是院會的出席者但是你們以前之前都是考試院第幾屆的第幾次會議記錄但是我看你們現在已經沒有第幾次會議記錄了也就是說你們認定你們也是認定這個不算是一次\n\n13:17.518 --> 13:46.116\n應該說這個是他的名稱啦因為我們現在並不是13屆也不是14屆所以我們後來用日期來定這個會議名稱所以我們這個會議是這樣第一個他只能處理緊急必要事項那我舉兩個例子一個就是典事法裡面所有要求要有必須要有經過院會的議案讓典事程序可以繼續往下走第二個就是像是跨院的會嫌案比如說我們的體育部的這個整個修法運動部的修法\n\n13:46.476 --> 14:01.116\n他牽涉到中央機關組織基準法必須要考試院會選那院會是考試院的決策機制好這個部分齁這個部分我是擔心未來在這個釋法性上面齁是不是合憲合法這個部分齁恐怕會有點爭議啦齁不過\n\n14:03.991 --> 14:19.205\n最後優關這個比較跟人民權益直接影響的在這個網路上面有看到現在目前在看守期我們所發的這些相關的考試及格證書上面沒有院長的名字\n\n14:20.931 --> 14:35.022\n但是這個不影響效力?對,不影響效力但是很多拿到證書的這些考生對於這個上面寫考試院院長出缺這樣的字眼對於這個拿到證書的人希望是\n\n14:39.841 --> 14:42.083\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n14:58.291 --> 15:19.523\n正書是只發只有一個版本因為他跟他的發出日有關所以他不能再換發成另外一個可以啊他如果遺失就可以補發啊遺失就發證明書證明書遺失之後只發證明書所以證書只發一次對政府只有只發一次因為這些人他們以後一輩子拿的就是考試院院長出缺的證\n\n15:20.632 --> 15:35.840\n但是它就是考試院發出的證書?是啦我知道這個效力是沒有影響的但是在網路上面就很多拿到證書的考生大家就是對於這樣的證書很有意見啦大家就說如果真的不能補發他們就要去報遺失那發證明書的話?\n\n15:39.059 --> 15:56.612\n就是用證明書的那個日期來處理這個我就覺得這個政治影響到人民的權益這個就是一個最大的例子我希望說我們是不是能夠研議看看因為這些證書相關的這些證書有的這些相關專業技術他們都要貼在都要貼在他們的這個相關的這個職業場所這上面就寫一個院長出缺\n\n16:08.865 --> 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是這個不影響它的效力。"],["沈委員發惠：對，不影響效力……"],["劉秘書長建忻：完全不影響效力。"],["沈委員發惠：當然不影響效力，但是很多拿到這樣的證書的考生，對於證書上面寫「考試院院長出缺」這樣的字眼，對於這個……"],["劉秘書長建忻：比較特別。"],["沈委員發惠：拿到證書的人的「kimochi」很有一些情緒跟意見，假設未來解決了這個法制上的問題，有考試院院長之後，他們能夠補換發證書嗎？"],["劉秘書長建忻：證書只有一個版本，因為跟證書的發出日有關，所以他不能再換發成另外一個。"],["沈委員發惠：可以，他如果遺失就可以補發。"],["劉秘書長建忻：遺失就補發證明書。"],["沈委員發惠：遺失之後只發證明書？"],["劉秘書長建忻：就發證明書。"],["沈委員發惠：所以證書只發一次？"],["劉秘書長建忻：對，證書只發一次。"],["沈委員發惠：也就是說這些人他們以後一輩子拿的就是考試院院長出缺的證書？"],["劉秘書長建忻：但它就是考試院發出的證書。"],["沈委員發惠：是，我知道效力是沒有影響的，但是在網路上面很多拿到證書的考生，大家對於這樣的證書就是很有意見，大家就說如果真的不能補發，他們就要去報遺失。"],["劉秘書長建忻：是，但發證明書的話，就是用證明書的那個日期來處理。"],["沈委員發惠：我覺得政治影響到人民的權益，這就是一個最大的例子，我希望我們是不是能夠研議看看，因為相關的這些證書，有的相關專業技術人員都要把證書貼在他們的執業場所，結果上面就寫一個「院長出缺」，他一輩子開的醫院上面的證書就是「院長出缺」，這個我是覺得我們可以研究看看，好不好？"],["劉秘書長建忻：他應該主要會是貼他的執業證書。"],["沈委員發惠：好。"],["主席：謝謝沈發惠委員的質詢，秘書長請回。","接續我們邀請翁曉玲委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":476,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-36-16","speakers":["鍾佳濱","黃國昌","陳俊宇","吳思瑤","沈發惠","翁曉玲","羅智強","林思銘","鄭天財Sra 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