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00:02:02,467\n邊內預算6億5000多萬。但是114年邊內的預算只有5億1000萬左右。請問這是什麼原因?報告委員我所知道的應該是有一部分的預算移到公路局。我們移到公路局也就是說公路局跟我們現在所看到的這個預算加起來應該是跟去年是差不多的。\n\n5\n00:02:03,007 --> 00:02:08,332\n五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n\n6\n00:02:20,464 --> 00:02:33,654\nbedingt老實講你這個部分不是由公路局來編是把這個預算挪到宣傳會的部分來\n\n7\n00:02:35,635 --> 00:03:03,208\n那沒有關係沒有關係我跟你講立法委員針對你們的預算提出質疑的時候我希望你們說明很清楚一條一條把它說明很清楚因為今天主要是談未來的預算如何去改變如何去做說明我想這召開這個會議主要的目的是這樣但是給你們方向那你們該解釋的就要來解釋\n\n8\n00:03:04,008 --> 00:03:27,316\n我可以我看完以後看到我們宣傳會是暴增的那這個宣傳會暴增幾例我們交通部一般的預算共編列114年共編列的一億四千多萬其他宣傳會就佔了一億五百萬\n\n9\n00:03:28,609 --> 00:03:32,814\n五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n\n10\n00:03:45,450 --> 00:04:04,185\n報告委員我們今年所增加的預算是在道路安全的宣導因為我們有看到尤其是年長者比較高齡者的這個道路安全上面我們看到事故的比例是相對高而且死亡的比例是相對高所以我們希望在這個交通安全上面的宣導很好來部長我完全支持\n\n11\n00:04:07,667 --> 00:04:21,442\n讓一個立法委員只要名指名高用在正確的當然我們要去支持你所以我曾經開始都講過本黨任何八位立委只要台灣的建設我們不刪\n\n12\n00:04:23,024 --> 00:04:46,795\n只要是老百姓福祉的東西我們不刪但是不當的挪用不當的宣傳我們一定要去追根究柢所以這點我特別要提醒部長那一向我對部長當然在整個業務上跟你的做法上我的基本上我非常支持因為我希望年輕人有年輕人的做法\n\n13\n00:04:47,395 --> 00:05:13,377\n不能用這種逃避式或欺騙式的編列預算我已經點出來你們的宣傳會成長將近一倍到兩倍所以這個部分我想張處長你比我更內行啦我點出來了以後你們如何去解說也不要講太多在這裡講多了以後你們也不會承認但是我點出來的時候希望你們解釋清楚\n\n14\n00:05:14,318 --> 00:05:17,220\n閱讀者﹚立法院第11屆第2會期交通部總預算案關於交通部中央政府總預算案附屬單\n\n15\n00:05:36,132 --> 00:05:48,324\n但是在這個部分我要跟你探討的就是陸老師計畫的成效問題陸老師這個計畫的成效問題這裡面凸顯一個問題請問為什麼113年所有預算跟材料的編列預算只有750萬\n\n16\n00:06:00,834 --> 00:06:01,556\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n\n17\n00:06:13,447 --> 00:06:35,885\n欸!這是材料!這是材料而已啊!怎麼會成長這麼高啊!七百倍就五十萬!然後今年是編一千八百五十萬!為什麼?來!市長!跟委員報告我們除了材料費以外我們這些費用也會補助各個縣市各監理單位當路老師出去\n\n18\n00:06:36,766 --> 00:06:37,467\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n\n19\n00:06:49,105 --> 00:06:50,566\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案\n\n20\n00:07:08,171 --> 00:07:10,852\n五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n\n21\n00:07:27,113 --> 00:07:52,765\n當然如果是說從數據上來看我們還有努力的空間但是我們還是希望說透過這樣一個宣導好那個市長我提醒你啦齁我提醒你成效不當是個事實不要一錯再錯效果沒有評估就針對預算這是對立法院是不重視的不重視還有一點為什麼連續7年都是這家廠商為什麼為什麼\n\n22\n00:07:56,277 --> 00:07:57,098\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n\n23\n00:08:14,434 --> 00:08:17,177\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n\n24\n00:08:29,551 --> 00:08:45,528\n只有他現在國內就算我們是公開招標的好啦好啦我提醒市長也不要再那個因為我時間也差不多那我希望這個部分我點出來你們好好解釋一下阿不然的話我還是有意見的\n\n25\n00:09:08,072 --> 00:09:17,135\n你們如何去應對?這個車禍啊從11月份11月4號台61線發生11月12號台2線濱海公路發生那另外11月25號屏東訪山發生種種還有花蓮等等聯繫喔今年已經76次了請問\n\n26\n00:09:35,843 --> 00:10:00,781\n這個潮貫車你們現在怎麼管理?跟委員報告,潮貫車本來潮體的部分本來就是檢驗要通過要潮體的運輸要安全不過他應該是屬於就是說駕駛人整個業者的一個管理所以每次發生事故的話其實我們會去整個查他的公司的一個比如說司機的一個調度排班還有就是說他有沒有就是說其他比如說疲勞駕駛所以工時的部分我們也會去查\n\n27\n00:10:03,063 --> 00:10:21,400\n為什麼11月份你看喔今年已經五十七十幾次了那是危險物品欸不是一般單純車禍欸那是危險物品那是會爆炸的所以部長我把這個問題點出來我也知道我每一次給你的東西\n\n28\n00:10:22,506 --> 00:10:43,163\n都是比較新的可是這個重大問題耶如果是今天一般的單純的車後那我坦白講車輛這麼多一定難免但是這些是特殊車輛化學用品包括油罐這是會爆炸的所以\n\n29\n00:10:44,264 --> 00:11:01,297\n我要拜託部長針對這些問題這個問題要解決就是你部長要特別盯緊一點不要把每一樣事情發生以後才說啊我感到遺憾我感到抱歉沒有意義所以部長這個部分那未來你們怎麼做也拜託陳局長給我一點規劃好不好好不好好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4872\t19855\t議員議員議員議員議員\n29671\t40863\t我想部長剛剛我們兩位同事啊已經問過的問題我就不問了其實那是國家嚴守政府嚴守的治安的問題這凸顯一個機場管理不當\n45587\t64383\t該做的該處理的該改進的就要去改進所以我就不再贅述了他們兩個都已經講得非常清楚這凸顯我們機場管理橫向聯繫的不足所以該開罰的該怎麼改進的一定要去改進我們一定會改進會開罰\n65504\t92541\t我就跟你談這些預算的問題啦那當然因為我會請張處長上來就是因為部長也不可能管得這麼細但是很不幸的立法委員看你們的預算看得非常細但是我今天就摘要幾個問題想請教第一個我們在113年我們交通道安交通安全業務\n95008\t122467\t邊內預算6億5000多萬。但是114年邊內的預算只有5億1000萬左右。請問這是什麼原因?報告委員我所知道的應該是有一部分的預算移到公路局。我們移到公路局也就是說公路局跟我們現在所看到的這個預算加起來應該是跟去年是差不多的。\n123007\t128332\t五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n140464\t153654\tbedingt老實講你這個部分不是由公路局來編是把這個預算挪到宣傳會的部分來\n155635\t183208\t那沒有關係沒有關係我跟你講立法委員針對你們的預算提出質疑的時候我希望你們說明很清楚一條一條把它說明很清楚因為今天主要是談未來的預算如何去改變如何去做說明我想這召開這個會議主要的目的是這樣但是給你們方向那你們該解釋的就要來解釋\n184008\t207316\t我可以我看完以後看到我們宣傳會是暴增的那這個宣傳會暴增幾例我們交通部一般的預算共編列114年共編列的一億四千多萬其他宣傳會就佔了一億五百萬\n208609\t212814\t五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n225450\t244185\t報告委員我們今年所增加的預算是在道路安全的宣導因為我們有看到尤其是年長者比較高齡者的這個道路安全上面我們看到事故的比例是相對高而且死亡的比例是相對高所以我們希望在這個交通安全上面的宣導很好來部長我完全支持\n247667\t261442\t讓一個立法委員只要名指名高用在正確的當然我們要去支持你所以我曾經開始都講過本黨任何八位立委只要台灣的建設我們不刪\n263024\t286795\t只要是老百姓福祉的東西我們不刪但是不當的挪用不當的宣傳我們一定要去追根究柢所以這點我特別要提醒部長那一向我對部長當然在整個業務上跟你的做法上我的基本上我非常支持因為我希望年輕人有年輕人的做法\n287395\t313377\t不能用這種逃避式或欺騙式的編列預算我已經點出來你們的宣傳會成長將近一倍到兩倍所以這個部分我想張處長你比我更內行啦我點出來了以後你們如何去解說也不要講太多在這裡講多了以後你們也不會承認但是我點出來的時候希望你們解釋清楚\n314318\t317220\t閱讀者﹚立法院第11屆第2會期交通部總預算案關於交通部中央政府總預算案附屬單\n336132\t348324\t但是在這個部分我要跟你探討的就是陸老師計畫的成效問題陸老師這個計畫的成效問題這裡面凸顯一個問題請問為什麼113年所有預算跟材料的編列預算只有750萬\n360834\t361556\t二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n373447\t395885\t欸!這是材料!這是材料而已啊!怎麼會成長這麼高啊!七百倍就五十萬!然後今年是編一千八百五十萬!為什麼?來!市長!跟委員報告我們除了材料費以外我們這些費用也會補助各個縣市各監理單位當路老師出去\n396766\t397467\t二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n409105\t410566\t二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案\n428171\t430852\t五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n447113\t472765\t當然如果是說從數據上來看我們還有努力的空間但是我們還是希望說透過這樣一個宣導好 那個市長我提醒你啦齁我提醒你成效不當是個事實不要一錯再錯效果沒有評估就針對預算這是對立法院是不重視的不重視還有一點為什麼連續7年都是這家廠商為什麼為什麼\n476277\t477098\t二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n494434\t497177\t二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n509551\t525528\t只有他現在國內就算我們是公開招標的好啦好啦我提醒市長也不要再那個因為我時間也差不多那我希望這個部分我點出來你們好好解釋一下阿不然的話我還是有意見的\n526169\t547602\t議員議員議員議員\n548072\t557135\t你們如何去應對?這個車禍啊從11月份11月4號台61線發生11月12號台2線濱海公路發生那另外11月25號屏東訪山發生種種還有花蓮等等聯繫喔今年已經76次了請問\n575843\t600781\t這個潮貫車你們現在怎麼管理?跟委員報告,潮貫車本來潮體的部分本來就是檢驗要通過要潮體的運輸要安全不過他應該是屬於就是說駕駛人整個業者的一個管理所以每次發生事故的話其實我們會去整個查他的公司的一個比如說司機的一個調度排班還有就是說他有沒有就是說其他比如說疲勞駕駛所以工時的部分我們也會去查\n603063\t621400\t為什麼11月份你看喔今年已經五十七十幾次了那是危險物品欸不是一般單純車禍欸那是危險物品那是會爆炸的所以部長我把這個問題點出來我也知道我每一次給你的東西\n622506\t643163\t都是比較新的可是這個重大問題耶如果是今天一般的單純的車後那我坦白講車輛這麼多一定難免但是這些是特殊車輛化學用品包括油罐這是會爆炸的所以\n644264\t661297\t我要拜託部長針對這些問題這個問題要解決就是你部長要特別盯緊一點不要把每一樣事情發生以後才說啊我感到遺憾我感到抱歉沒有意義所以部長這個部分那未來你們怎麼做也拜託陳局長給我一點規劃好不好好不好好謝謝\n","txt":"議員議員議員議員議員\n我想部長剛剛我們兩位同事啊已經問過的問題我就不問了其實那是國家嚴守政府嚴守的治安的問題這凸顯一個機場管理不當\n該做的該處理的該改進的就要去改進所以我就不再贅述了他們兩個都已經講得非常清楚這凸顯我們機場管理橫向聯繫的不足所以該開罰的該怎麼改進的一定要去改進我們一定會改進會開罰\n我就跟你談這些預算的問題啦那當然因為我會請張處長上來就是因為部長也不可能管得這麼細但是很不幸的立法委員看你們的預算看得非常細但是我今天就摘要幾個問題想請教第一個我們在113年我們交通道安交通安全業務\n邊內預算6億5000多萬。但是114年邊內的預算只有5億1000萬左右。請問這是什麼原因?報告委員我所知道的應該是有一部分的預算移到公路局。我們移到公路局也就是說公路局跟我們現在所看到的這個預算加起來應該是跟去年是差不多的。\n五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\nbedingt老實講你這個部分不是由公路局來編是把這個預算挪到宣傳會的部分來\n那沒有關係沒有關係我跟你講立法委員針對你們的預算提出質疑的時候我希望你們說明很清楚一條一條把它說明很清楚因為今天主要是談未來的預算如何去改變如何去做說明我想這召開這個會議主要的目的是這樣但是給你們方向那你們該解釋的就要來解釋\n我可以我看完以後看到我們宣傳會是暴增的那這個宣傳會暴增幾例我們交通部一般的預算共編列114年共編列的一億四千多萬其他宣傳會就佔了一億五百萬\n五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n報告委員我們今年所增加的預算是在道路安全的宣導因為我們有看到尤其是年長者比較高齡者的這個道路安全上面我們看到事故的比例是相對高而且死亡的比例是相對高所以我們希望在這個交通安全上面的宣導很好來部長我完全支持\n讓一個立法委員只要名指名高用在正確的當然我們要去支持你所以我曾經開始都講過本黨任何八位立委只要台灣的建設我們不刪\n只要是老百姓福祉的東西我們不刪但是不當的挪用不當的宣傳我們一定要去追根究柢所以這點我特別要提醒部長那一向我對部長當然在整個業務上跟你的做法上我的基本上我非常支持因為我希望年輕人有年輕人的做法\n不能用這種逃避式或欺騙式的編列預算我已經點出來你們的宣傳會成長將近一倍到兩倍所以這個部分我想張處長你比我更內行啦我點出來了以後你們如何去解說也不要講太多在這裡講多了以後你們也不會承認但是我點出來的時候希望你們解釋清楚\n閱讀者﹚立法院第11屆第2會期交通部總預算案關於交通部中央政府總預算案附屬單\n但是在這個部分我要跟你探討的就是陸老師計畫的成效問題陸老師這個計畫的成效問題這裡面凸顯一個問題請問為什麼113年所有預算跟材料的編列預算只有750萬\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n欸!這是材料!這是材料而已啊!怎麼會成長這麼高啊!七百倍就五十萬!然後今年是編一千八百五十萬!為什麼?來!市長!跟委員報告我們除了材料費以外我們這些費用也會補助各個縣市各監理單位當路老師出去\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案\n五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n當然如果是說從數據上來看我們還有努力的空間但是我們還是希望說透過這樣一個宣導好 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01:32.541\n我就跟你談這些預算的問題啦那當然因為我會請張處長上來就是因為部長也不可能管得這麼細但是很不幸的立法委員看你們的預算看得非常細但是我今天就摘要幾個問題想請教第一個我們在113年我們交通道安交通安全業務\n\n01:35.008 --> 02:02.467\n邊內預算6億5000多萬。但是114年邊內的預算只有5億1000萬左右。請問這是什麼原因?報告委員我所知道的應該是有一部分的預算移到公路局。我們移到公路局也就是說公路局跟我們現在所看到的這個預算加起來應該是跟去年是差不多的。\n\n02:03.007 --> 02:08.332\n五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n\n02:20.464 --> 02:33.654\nbedingt老實講你這個部分不是由公路局來編是把這個預算挪到宣傳會的部分來\n\n02:35.635 --> 03:03.208\n那沒有關係沒有關係我跟你講立法委員針對你們的預算提出質疑的時候我希望你們說明很清楚一條一條把它說明很清楚因為今天主要是談未來的預算如何去改變如何去做說明我想這召開這個會議主要的目的是這樣但是給你們方向那你們該解釋的就要來解釋\n\n03:04.008 --> 03:27.316\n我可以我看完以後看到我們宣傳會是暴增的那這個宣傳會暴增幾例我們交通部一般的預算共編列114年共編列的一億四千多萬其他宣傳會就佔了一億五百萬\n\n03:28.609 --> 03:32.814\n五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n\n03:45.450 --> 04:04.185\n報告委員我們今年所增加的預算是在道路安全的宣導因為我們有看到尤其是年長者比較高齡者的這個道路安全上面我們看到事故的比例是相對高而且死亡的比例是相對高所以我們希望在這個交通安全上面的宣導很好來部長我完全支持\n\n04:07.667 --> 04:21.442\n讓一個立法委員只要名指名高用在正確的當然我們要去支持你所以我曾經開始都講過本黨任何八位立委只要台灣的建設我們不刪\n\n04:23.024 --> 04:46.795\n只要是老百姓福祉的東西我們不刪但是不當的挪用不當的宣傳我們一定要去追根究柢所以這點我特別要提醒部長那一向我對部長當然在整個業務上跟你的做法上我的基本上我非常支持因為我希望年輕人有年輕人的做法\n\n04:47.395 --> 05:13.377\n不能用這種逃避式或欺騙式的編列預算我已經點出來你們的宣傳會成長將近一倍到兩倍所以這個部分我想張處長你比我更內行啦我點出來了以後你們如何去解說也不要講太多在這裡講多了以後你們也不會承認但是我點出來的時候希望你們解釋清楚\n\n05:14.318 --> 05:17.220\n閱讀者﹚立法院第11屆第2會期交通部總預算案關於交通部中央政府總預算案附屬單\n\n05:36.132 --> 05:48.324\n但是在這個部分我要跟你探討的就是陸老師計畫的成效問題陸老師這個計畫的成效問題這裡面凸顯一個問題請問為什麼113年所有預算跟材料的編列預算只有750萬\n\n06:00.834 --> 06:01.556\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n\n06:13.447 --> 06:35.885\n欸!這是材料!這是材料而已啊!怎麼會成長這麼高啊!七百倍就五十萬!然後今年是編一千八百五十萬!為什麼?來!市長!跟委員報告我們除了材料費以外我們這些費用也會補助各個縣市各監理單位當路老師出去\n\n06:36.766 --> 06:37.467\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n\n06:49.105 --> 06:50.566\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案\n\n07:08.171 --> 07:10.852\n五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n\n07:27.113 --> 07:52.765\n當然如果是說從數據上來看我們還有努力的空間但是我們還是希望說透過這樣一個宣導好那個市長我提醒你啦齁我提醒你成效不當是個事實不要一錯再錯效果沒有評估就針對預算這是對立法院是不重視的不重視還有一點為什麼連續7年都是這家廠商為什麼為什麼\n\n07:56.277 --> 07:57.098\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n\n08:14.434 --> 08:17.177\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n\n08:29.551 --> 08:45.528\n只有他現在國內就算我們是公開招標的好啦好啦我提醒市長也不要再那個因為我時間也差不多那我希望這個部分我點出來你們好好解釋一下阿不然的話我還是有意見的\n\n09:08.072 --> 09:17.135\n你們如何去應對?這個車禍啊從11月份11月4號台61線發生11月12號台2線濱海公路發生那另外11月25號屏東訪山發生種種還有花蓮等等聯繫喔今年已經76次了請問\n\n09:35.843 --> 10:00.781\n這個潮貫車你們現在怎麼管理?跟委員報告,潮貫車本來潮體的部分本來就是檢驗要通過要潮體的運輸要安全不過他應該是屬於就是說駕駛人整個業者的一個管理所以每次發生事故的話其實我們會去整個查他的公司的一個比如說司機的一個調度排班還有就是說他有沒有就是說其他比如說疲勞駕駛所以工時的部分我們也會去查\n\n10:03.063 --> 10:21.400\n為什麼11月份你看喔今年已經五十七十幾次了那是危險物品欸不是一般單純車禍欸那是危險物品那是會爆炸的所以部長我把這個問題點出來我也知道我每一次給你的東西\n\n10:22.506 --> 10:43.163\n都是比較新的可是這個重大問題耶如果是今天一般的單純的車後那我坦白講車輛這麼多一定難免但是這些是特殊車輛化學用品包括油罐這是會爆炸的所以\n\n10:44.264 --> 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所屬單\n位預算；四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業\n基金─國道公路建設管理基金分預算（僅進行詢答）","agenda_id":"11310501_00013"}}}