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00:02:26,580\n給我一個簡單的一個報告來去評估或者是說來去比較各個國家對於這些重要的政務任命的人員他們的身家調查我國跟其他國家的比較我會這樣子要求是因為我也跟我們的立法院的我們的這個法治局有討論過那他們對這個也非常有興趣因為第一個我們是不相容的就是說你國安局跟這個\n\n8\n00:02:27,881 --> 00:02:28,181\n昨天我們在接待\n\n9\n00:02:49,141 --> 00:03:11,788\n美國的國會團的時候也有談到這樣子的東西我認為這是一個非常重要的議題我覺得還必須要再講下去所以我今天是希望國安局能夠給我們一個報告來做一個比較第二點謝謝副局長那再來就是針對我們講完政府的官員之後我們來講一下DueDiligence承包商下包商的部分我們PPT我們來往下\n\n10\n00:03:13,989 --> 00:03:39,644\n這個第1會期就是一般民間在企業投資並公安長進的流程那我想過去我們還有一位國防外交的委員陳永康委員也非常重視這個東西他主要的目的就是看對方有沒有值得被投資他有沒有潛在的風險那還有他會針對他的這個過去的這些跟交往的細節就是說有沒有抵押、執押、債權的狀況那合約、條約、過去有沒有背信等等那除此之外\n\n11\n00:03:40,624 --> 00:04:03,917\n這是民間的部分那當然說還有輸送案的審閱這些全部都納入在考量的範圍可是如果說它是承包的是跟國防相關的跟國安單位相關的跟我們重大基礎建設相關的包含空港、海港、水、電、油等這些相關的話我們有沒有做完整的淨值調查來我們來下一頁\n\n12\n00:04:04,963 --> 00:04:29,196\n我們有沒有做完整的背景審查他承包的人員有沒有做完整的安全核可原則上我們至少說我知道的這些承包的廠商在重大的這些我們的基礎設施裡面其實是可以進出的範圍非常大所以我認為這個是必須由國安局來仔細來也是一樣也給我一個報告說現在的狀況是怎麼樣\n\n13\n00:04:31,718 --> 00:04:55,950\n現在我不是只是講說國防部的營區喔我不是講說這個國安局的營區而已喔因為我們現在要面臨的是全方位的這個是廣度跟深度跟以前不同的威脅連桃園機場大停電這是多麼大的事情雖然說這是2022年的事情但是這一個就是一個重要的警鐘就是說我們這些承包廠有沒有安全何可\n\n14\n00:04:57,011 --> 00:05:24,031\n有沒有就算有美國有喔美國有但是承包商有一個很有名的一個承包的人員史諾頓他有絕密的這個安全的核可但是他把重要的機密還是帶到俄國了嘛他也不是只有WikiLeaks啊然後他現在在俄國持有這個庇護等等就算有都還沒有辦法來去避免這樣的狀況何況沒有我們來下一個\n\n15\n00:05:26,204 --> 00:05:54,157\n國防部的包商僱用逃逸移工我們連包商的滴滴完之後他怎麼樣去聘用他的勞工他的勞工怎麼樣能夠進入營區也好或者是跟營區無關我記得上次國防部說沒有進入營區但是你就是承包嘛移民署還直衝營區逮六人所以這都是事實嘛這是事實就是說我們根本沒有一個完整的機制從國會到行政機關到承包商到下包商都沒有\n\n16\n00:05:55,720 --> 00:06:17,512\n過去沒有沒關係,現在把它補起來好不好?跟委員報告,就我們了解工程會事實上有做這方面的再做一些檢討。我們局裡來講針對委外的案件,對承包的人員要經我們營區,我們都有做安全查核。\n\n17\n00:06:18,032 --> 00:06:46,989\n很好我這個肯定但是我的意思就是說如果全部都有就不會有這樣的狀況嘛大概就只有我講白了大概是國安局啦或者是情報單位或許有但是我剛剛講到的重大的海港、空港、水電、油等基礎建設包括鐵路、高鐵等等這些跟我們人民安全相關跟國家安全至關重要的東西必須要有一個相關的檢討所以我是希望國安局把你們建議報告也給我作為我們的立法依據我們也會跟法治局來討論一下好不好\n\n18\n00:06:47,949 --> 00:07:14,168\n好我們來準備報告就是這兩份就是我要因為除了法治局我們自己在討論之外我們自己辦公室之外我們也想聽聽看國安局的意見那沒關係就是不要不用文字很多不要虛的東西就是你們的看法是什麼甚至你們覺得不需要也沒關係也是作為我們的依據我是要檢討出來一個法治面的做法所以就算你們覺得不一樣也沒關係就把報告寫出來給我們給我們參考好我們下一頁\n\n19\n00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:39,265\n加上講到長臂管轄那這個國有器官的這件事情我們自己也有去看那我必須要談到長臂管轄的原因是因為他們沒有管轄權這個我們都知道但是中國確實是有能力來去影響各個國家的這個他們的僑民也好或者是當地的黑幫組織也好來去對我國的民眾\n\n20\n00:07:40,225 --> 00:07:40,385\n陳冠廷\n\n21\n00:08:00,636 --> 00:08:20,324\n在這邊你說用電郵電郵的方式電子郵件的方式來去做威嚇然後不讓我們去就像某種程度是要用很大的這種力量來去阻止台灣民眾來去接觸那其實他們跟中國發展的組織是有很強烈的關係比方說我們再看下一頁還有另外一個\n\n22\n00:08:21,444 --> 00:08:48,664\n臺灣的訪送中餐廳遭到波及這全部是跟在地組織在聯合的所以我是希望國安局、調查局把這些相關的情質做互相不管是在中國在各個駐外使館周遭的以他們駐外的使館為中心點嘛他們旁邊一定會有一些他們過去的這種派去中國的這種秘密警察派去國外的秘密警察都一定在附近嘛\n\n23\n00:08:49,224 --> 00:08:58,428\n所以我是希望說這個第一個情資要全面的共享在外面的情資要分享由我們駐外的辦事處分享給當地的政府警政單位之外國內的單位\n\n24\n00:09:01,153 --> 00:09:28,538\n這個都要把它列表嘛從台灣反送中這一連串的到下來國內的全部都要列表尊貴中共在我們不僅國外或國內尤其國內的滲透樣態事實上我們國安局一直都統合國安團隊都有在長壽而且有一些太陽而且都在我們這些國安團隊間會分享有異常的、違常的情勢發生我們就會請相關的單位依法偵辦\n\n25\n00:09:29,580 --> 00:09:49,115\n謝謝副市長這個報告在給我最後30秒我把我們地方的一個違安的問題趕快講一下我們剛剛講到那個在免稅店的黃金賊之亂這個事情我看我們地方也會有類似的狀況在很多總統副總統來到我們嘉義的行程的時候會有一些我不知道是他們是自稱是地方的網路媒體\n\n26\n00:09:50,336 --> 00:10:17,598\n地方的網絡媒體離總統副總統的距離都是這樣子兩三步然後全部的裝備都是仔細的在去錄影從總統副總統的面部特徵到所有特勤人員的面部特徵每一個都在錄同樣的偽裝成不要講偽裝好不好包裝成地方媒體的在所有的不管是憲兵退役的這種聯誼活動全部都到來去把每一個憲兵軍警的\n\n27\n00:10:18,539 --> 00:10:40,572\n面容特徵全部都錄影下來以一個地方的網路媒體來講我不覺得這有什麼我無法理解說為什麼要這樣子特別針對他的面部特徵針對特勤人員、針對軍、縣、警等等全部都有而且他們離總統、副總統的距離是非常近的所以我認為這個是我們必須要注意的\n\n28\n00:10:41,738 --> 00:10:42,199\n陳冠廷委員各位請回\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n69\t2531\t國安局副局長國安局副局長副局長早副局長早我還是繼續我們上次的這個問題我們繼續問下去安全合格的部分那在安全合格的部分川普最近他的內閣\n21636\t22577\t在內閣成形之前,FBI希望對閣員做身家調查。\n34023\t53844\t我們機關保防會由我們全者機關調查局可以做安全的查核有一些1000多個職務是有做這樣的一個可以做這樣的查核有一千多個職務有做相關的身家調查就對了一千多個由調查局去做這樣的處理那一樣嘛就是看他有沒有犯罪紀錄大概是這樣子\n55086\t74604\t其他之後包含他的這個因為我看到美國的身家調查是很複雜的他包含你的這個交往狀況你的醫療的背景因為你有沒有濫用藥物有沒有濫用酒精還有你接觸的國外人員還有你出入境的次數不是只有在中國\n75385\t76626\t對於我們的這一個重要的首長的這一個規定來講的話\n103641\t103801\t陳冠廷\n119225\t146580\t給我一個簡單的一個報告來去評估或者是說來去比較各個國家對於這些重要的政務任命的人員他們的身家調查我國跟其他國家的比較我會這樣子要求是因為我也跟我們的立法院的我們的這個法治局有討論過那他們對這個也非常有興趣因為第一個我們是不相容的就是說你國安局跟這個\n147881\t148181\t昨天我們在接待\n169141\t191788\t美國的國會團的時候也有談到這樣子的東西我認為這是一個非常重要的議題我覺得還必須要再講下去所以我今天是希望國安局能夠給我們一個報告來做一個比較第二點謝謝副局長那再來就是針對我們講完政府的官員之後我們來講一下Due Diligence承包商下包商的部分我們PPT我們來往下\n193989\t219644\t這個第1會期就是一般民間在企業投資並公安長進的流程那我想過去我們還有一位國防外交的委員陳永康委員也非常重視這個東西他主要的目的就是看對方有沒有值得被投資他有沒有潛在的風險那還有他會針對他的這個過去的這些跟交往的細節就是說有沒有抵押、執押、債權的狀況那合約、條約、過去有沒有背信等等那除此之外\n220624\t243917\t這是民間的部分那當然說還有輸送案的審閱這些全部都納入在考量的範圍可是如果說它是承包的是跟國防相關的跟國安單位相關的跟我們重大基礎建設相關的包含空港、海港、水、電、油等這些相關的話我們有沒有做完整的淨值調查來我們來下一頁\n244963\t269196\t我們有沒有做完整的背景審查他承包的人員有沒有做完整的安全核可原則上我們至少說我知道的這些承包的廠商在重大的這些我們的基礎設施裡面其實是可以進出的範圍非常大所以我認為這個是必須由國安局來仔細來也是一樣也給我一個報告說現在的狀況是怎麼樣\n271718\t295950\t現在我不是只是講說國防部的營區喔我不是講說這個國安局的營區而已喔因為我們現在要面臨的是全方位的這個是廣度跟深度跟以前不同的威脅連桃園機場大停電這是多麼大的事情雖然說這是2022年的事情但是這一個就是一個重要的警鐘就是說我們這些承包廠有沒有安全何可\n297011\t324031\t有沒有 就算有 美國有喔美國有 但是承包商有一個很有名的一個承包的人員史諾頓他有絕密的這個安全的核可但是他把重要的機密還是帶到俄國了嘛他也不是只有WikiLeaks啊然後他現在在俄國持有這個庇護等等就算有都還沒有辦法來去避免這樣的狀況何況沒有 我們來下一個\n326204\t354157\t國防部的包商僱用逃逸移工我們連包商的滴滴完之後他怎麼樣去聘用他的勞工他的勞工怎麼樣能夠進入營區也好或者是跟營區無關我記得上次國防部說沒有進入營區但是你就是承包嘛移民署還直衝營區逮六人所以這都是事實嘛這是事實就是說我們根本沒有一個完整的機制從國會到行政機關到承包商到下包商都沒有\n355720\t377512\t過去沒有沒關係,現在把它補起來好不好?跟委員報告,就我們了解工程會事實上有做這方面的再做一些檢討。我們局裡來講針對委外的案件,對承包的人員要經我們營區,我們都有做安全查核。\n378032\t406989\t很好 我這個肯定但是我的意思就是說如果全部都有就不會有這樣的狀況嘛大概就只有我講白了大概是國安局啦或者是情報單位或許有但是我剛剛講到的重大的海港、空港、水電、油等基礎建設包括鐵路、高鐵等等這些跟我們人民安全相關跟國家安全至關重要的東西必須要有一個相關的檢討所以我是希望國安局把你們建議報告也給我作為我們的立法依據我們也會跟法治局來討論一下好不好\n407949\t434168\t好我們來準備報告就是這兩份就是我要因為除了法治局我們自己在討論之外我們自己辦公室之外我們也想聽聽看國安局的意見那沒關係就是不要不用文字很多不要虛的東西就是你們的看法是什麼甚至你們覺得不需要也沒關係也是作為我們的依據我是要檢討出來一個法治面的做法所以就算你們覺得不一樣也沒關係就把報告寫出來給我們給我們參考好我們下一頁\n436280\t459265\t加上講到長臂管轄那這個國有器官的這件事情我們自己也有去看那我必須要談到長臂管轄的原因是因為他們沒有管轄權這個我們都知道但是中國確實是有能力來去影響各個國家的這個他們的僑民也好或者是當地的黑幫組織也好來去對我國的民眾\n460225\t460385\t陳冠廷\n480636\t500324\t在這邊你說用電郵電郵的方式電子郵件的方式來去做威嚇然後不讓我們去就像某種程度是要用很大的這種力量來去阻止台灣民眾來去接觸那其實他們跟中國發展的組織是有很強烈的關係比方說我們再看下一頁還有另外一個\n501444\t528664\t臺灣的訪送中餐廳遭到波及這全部是跟在地組織在聯合的所以我是希望國安局、調查局把這些相關的情質做互相不管是在中國在各個駐外使館周遭的以他們駐外的使館為中心點嘛他們旁邊一定會有一些他們過去的這種派去中國的這種秘密警察派去國外的秘密警察都一定在附近嘛\n529224\t538428\t所以我是希望說這個第一個情資要全面的共享在外面的情資要分享由我們駐外的辦事處分享給當地的政府警政單位之外國內的單位\n541153\t568538\t這個都要把它列表嘛從台灣反送中這一連串的到下來國內的全部都要列表尊貴中共在我們不僅國外或國內尤其國內的滲透樣態事實上我們國安局一直都統合國安團隊都有在長壽而且有一些太陽而且都在我們這些國安團隊間會分享有異常的、違常的情勢發生我們就會請相關的單位依法偵辦\n569580\t589115\t謝謝副市長這個報告在給我最後30秒我把我們地方的一個違安的問題趕快講一下我們剛剛講到那個在免稅店的黃金賊之亂這個事情我看我們地方也會有類似的狀況在很多總統副總統來到我們嘉義的行程的時候會有一些我不知道是他們是自稱是地方的網路媒體\n590336\t617598\t地方的網絡媒體離總統副總統的距離都是這樣子兩三步然後全部的裝備都是仔細的在去錄影從總統副總統的面部特徵到所有特勤人員的面部特徵每一個都在錄同樣的偽裝成不要講偽裝好不好包裝成地方媒體的在所有的不管是憲兵退役的這種聯誼活動全部都到來去把每一個憲兵軍警的\n618539\t640572\t面容特徵全部都錄影下來以一個地方的網路媒體來講我不覺得這有什麼我無法理解說為什麼要這樣子特別針對他的面部特徵針對特勤人員、針對軍、縣、警等等全部都有而且他們離總統、副總統的距離是非常近的所以我認為這個是我們必須要注意的\n641738\t642199\t陳冠廷委員 各位請回\n","txt":"國安局副局長國安局副局長副局長早副局長早我還是繼續我們上次的這個問題我們繼續問下去安全合格的部分那在安全合格的部分川普最近他的內閣\n在內閣成形之前,FBI希望對閣員做身家調查。\n我們機關保防會由我們全者機關調查局可以做安全的查核有一些1000多個職務是有做這樣的一個可以做這樣的查核有一千多個職務有做相關的身家調查就對了一千多個由調查局去做這樣的處理那一樣嘛就是看他有沒有犯罪紀錄大概是這樣子\n其他之後包含他的這個因為我看到美國的身家調查是很複雜的他包含你的這個交往狀況你的醫療的背景因為你有沒有濫用藥物有沒有濫用酒精還有你接觸的國外人員還有你出入境的次數不是只有在中國\n對於我們的這一個重要的首長的這一個規定來講的話\n陳冠廷\n給我一個簡單的一個報告來去評估或者是說來去比較各個國家對於這些重要的政務任命的人員他們的身家調查我國跟其他國家的比較我會這樣子要求是因為我也跟我們的立法院的我們的這個法治局有討論過那他們對這個也非常有興趣因為第一個我們是不相容的就是說你國安局跟這個\n昨天我們在接待\n美國的國會團的時候也有談到這樣子的東西我認為這是一個非常重要的議題我覺得還必須要再講下去所以我今天是希望國安局能夠給我們一個報告來做一個比較第二點謝謝副局長那再來就是針對我們講完政府的官員之後我們來講一下Due Diligence承包商下包商的部分我們PPT我們來往下\n這個第1會期就是一般民間在企業投資並公安長進的流程那我想過去我們還有一位國防外交的委員陳永康委員也非常重視這個東西他主要的目的就是看對方有沒有值得被投資他有沒有潛在的風險那還有他會針對他的這個過去的這些跟交往的細節就是說有沒有抵押、執押、債權的狀況那合約、條約、過去有沒有背信等等那除此之外\n這是民間的部分那當然說還有輸送案的審閱這些全部都納入在考量的範圍可是如果說它是承包的是跟國防相關的跟國安單位相關的跟我們重大基礎建設相關的包含空港、海港、水、電、油等這些相關的話我們有沒有做完整的淨值調查來我們來下一頁\n我們有沒有做完整的背景審查他承包的人員有沒有做完整的安全核可原則上我們至少說我知道的這些承包的廠商在重大的這些我們的基礎設施裡面其實是可以進出的範圍非常大所以我認為這個是必須由國安局來仔細來也是一樣也給我一個報告說現在的狀況是怎麼樣\n現在我不是只是講說國防部的營區喔我不是講說這個國安局的營區而已喔因為我們現在要面臨的是全方位的這個是廣度跟深度跟以前不同的威脅連桃園機場大停電這是多麼大的事情雖然說這是2022年的事情但是這一個就是一個重要的警鐘就是說我們這些承包廠有沒有安全何可\n有沒有 就算有 美國有喔美國有 但是承包商有一個很有名的一個承包的人員史諾頓他有絕密的這個安全的核可但是他把重要的機密還是帶到俄國了嘛他也不是只有WikiLeaks啊然後他現在在俄國持有這個庇護等等就算有都還沒有辦法來去避免這樣的狀況何況沒有 我們來下一個\n國防部的包商僱用逃逸移工我們連包商的滴滴完之後他怎麼樣去聘用他的勞工他的勞工怎麼樣能夠進入營區也好或者是跟營區無關我記得上次國防部說沒有進入營區但是你就是承包嘛移民署還直衝營區逮六人所以這都是事實嘛這是事實就是說我們根本沒有一個完整的機制從國會到行政機關到承包商到下包商都沒有\n過去沒有沒關係,現在把它補起來好不好?跟委員報告,就我們了解工程會事實上有做這方面的再做一些檢討。我們局裡來講針對委外的案件,對承包的人員要經我們營區,我們都有做安全查核。\n很好 我這個肯定但是我的意思就是說如果全部都有就不會有這樣的狀況嘛大概就只有我講白了大概是國安局啦或者是情報單位或許有但是我剛剛講到的重大的海港、空港、水電、油等基礎建設包括鐵路、高鐵等等這些跟我們人民安全相關跟國家安全至關重要的東西必須要有一個相關的檢討所以我是希望國安局把你們建議報告也給我作為我們的立法依據我們也會跟法治局來討論一下好不好\n好我們來準備報告就是這兩份就是我要因為除了法治局我們自己在討論之外我們自己辦公室之外我們也想聽聽看國安局的意見那沒關係就是不要不用文字很多不要虛的東西就是你們的看法是什麼甚至你們覺得不需要也沒關係也是作為我們的依據我是要檢討出來一個法治面的做法所以就算你們覺得不一樣也沒關係就把報告寫出來給我們給我們參考好我們下一頁\n加上講到長臂管轄那這個國有器官的這件事情我們自己也有去看那我必須要談到長臂管轄的原因是因為他們沒有管轄權這個我們都知道但是中國確實是有能力來去影響各個國家的這個他們的僑民也好或者是當地的黑幫組織也好來去對我國的民眾\n陳冠廷\n在這邊你說用電郵電郵的方式電子郵件的方式來去做威嚇然後不讓我們去就像某種程度是要用很大的這種力量來去阻止台灣民眾來去接觸那其實他們跟中國發展的組織是有很強烈的關係比方說我們再看下一頁還有另外一個\n臺灣的訪送中餐廳遭到波及這全部是跟在地組織在聯合的所以我是希望國安局、調查局把這些相關的情質做互相不管是在中國在各個駐外使館周遭的以他們駐外的使館為中心點嘛他們旁邊一定會有一些他們過去的這種派去中國的這種秘密警察派去國外的秘密警察都一定在附近嘛\n所以我是希望說這個第一個情資要全面的共享在外面的情資要分享由我們駐外的辦事處分享給當地的政府警政單位之外國內的單位\n這個都要把它列表嘛從台灣反送中這一連串的到下來國內的全部都要列表尊貴中共在我們不僅國外或國內尤其國內的滲透樣態事實上我們國安局一直都統合國安團隊都有在長壽而且有一些太陽而且都在我們這些國安團隊間會分享有異常的、違常的情勢發生我們就會請相關的單位依法偵辦\n謝謝副市長這個報告在給我最後30秒我把我們地方的一個違安的問題趕快講一下我們剛剛講到那個在免稅店的黃金賊之亂這個事情我看我們地方也會有類似的狀況在很多總統副總統來到我們嘉義的行程的時候會有一些我不知道是他們是自稱是地方的網路媒體\n地方的網絡媒體離總統副總統的距離都是這樣子兩三步然後全部的裝備都是仔細的在去錄影從總統副總統的面部特徵到所有特勤人員的面部特徵每一個都在錄同樣的偽裝成不要講偽裝好不好包裝成地方媒體的在所有的不管是憲兵退役的這種聯誼活動全部都到來去把每一個憲兵軍警的\n面容特徵全部都錄影下來以一個地方的網路媒體來講我不覺得這有什麼我無法理解說為什麼要這樣子特別針對他的面部特徵針對特勤人員、針對軍、縣、警等等全部都有而且他們離總統、副總統的距離是非常近的所以我認為這個是我們必須要注意的\n陳冠廷委員 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03:39.644\n這個第1會期就是一般民間在企業投資並公安長進的流程那我想過去我們還有一位國防外交的委員陳永康委員也非常重視這個東西他主要的目的就是看對方有沒有值得被投資他有沒有潛在的風險那還有他會針對他的這個過去的這些跟交往的細節就是說有沒有抵押、執押、債權的狀況那合約、條約、過去有沒有背信等等那除此之外\n\n03:40.624 --> 04:03.917\n這是民間的部分那當然說還有輸送案的審閱這些全部都納入在考量的範圍可是如果說它是承包的是跟國防相關的跟國安單位相關的跟我們重大基礎建設相關的包含空港、海港、水、電、油等這些相關的話我們有沒有做完整的淨值調查來我們來下一頁\n\n04:04.963 --> 04:29.196\n我們有沒有做完整的背景審查他承包的人員有沒有做完整的安全核可原則上我們至少說我知道的這些承包的廠商在重大的這些我們的基礎設施裡面其實是可以進出的範圍非常大所以我認為這個是必須由國安局來仔細來也是一樣也給我一個報告說現在的狀況是怎麼樣\n\n04:31.718 --> 04:55.950\n現在我不是只是講說國防部的營區喔我不是講說這個國安局的營區而已喔因為我們現在要面臨的是全方位的這個是廣度跟深度跟以前不同的威脅連桃園機場大停電這是多麼大的事情雖然說這是2022年的事情但是這一個就是一個重要的警鐘就是說我們這些承包廠有沒有安全何可\n\n04:57.011 --> 05:24.031\n有沒有就算有美國有喔美國有但是承包商有一個很有名的一個承包的人員史諾頓他有絕密的這個安全的核可但是他把重要的機密還是帶到俄國了嘛他也不是只有WikiLeaks啊然後他現在在俄國持有這個庇護等等就算有都還沒有辦法來去避免這樣的狀況何況沒有我們來下一個\n\n05:26.204 --> 05:54.157\n國防部的包商僱用逃逸移工我們連包商的滴滴完之後他怎麼樣去聘用他的勞工他的勞工怎麼樣能夠進入營區也好或者是跟營區無關我記得上次國防部說沒有進入營區但是你就是承包嘛移民署還直衝營區逮六人所以這都是事實嘛這是事實就是說我們根本沒有一個完整的機制從國會到行政機關到承包商到下包商都沒有\n\n05:55.720 --> 06:17.512\n過去沒有沒關係,現在把它補起來好不好?跟委員報告,就我們了解工程會事實上有做這方面的再做一些檢討。我們局裡來講針對委外的案件,對承包的人員要經我們營區,我們都有做安全查核。\n\n06:18.032 --> 06:46.989\n很好我這個肯定但是我的意思就是說如果全部都有就不會有這樣的狀況嘛大概就只有我講白了大概是國安局啦或者是情報單位或許有但是我剛剛講到的重大的海港、空港、水電、油等基礎建設包括鐵路、高鐵等等這些跟我們人民安全相關跟國家安全至關重要的東西必須要有一個相關的檢討所以我是希望國安局把你們建議報告也給我作為我們的立法依據我們也會跟法治局來討論一下好不好\n\n06:47.949 --> 07:14.168\n好我們來準備報告就是這兩份就是我要因為除了法治局我們自己在討論之外我們自己辦公室之外我們也想聽聽看國安局的意見那沒關係就是不要不用文字很多不要虛的東西就是你們的看法是什麼甚至你們覺得不需要也沒關係也是作為我們的依據我是要檢討出來一個法治面的做法所以就算你們覺得不一樣也沒關係就把報告寫出來給我們給我們參考好我們下一頁\n\n07:16.280 --> 07:39.265\n加上講到長臂管轄那這個國有器官的這件事情我們自己也有去看那我必須要談到長臂管轄的原因是因為他們沒有管轄權這個我們都知道但是中國確實是有能力來去影響各個國家的這個他們的僑民也好或者是當地的黑幫組織也好來去對我國的民眾\n\n07:40.225 --> 07:40.385\n陳冠廷\n\n08:00.636 --> 08:20.324\n在這邊你說用電郵電郵的方式電子郵件的方式來去做威嚇然後不讓我們去就像某種程度是要用很大的這種力量來去阻止台灣民眾來去接觸那其實他們跟中國發展的組織是有很強烈的關係比方說我們再看下一頁還有另外一個\n\n08:21.444 --> 08:48.664\n臺灣的訪送中餐廳遭到波及這全部是跟在地組織在聯合的所以我是希望國安局、調查局把這些相關的情質做互相不管是在中國在各個駐外使館周遭的以他們駐外的使館為中心點嘛他們旁邊一定會有一些他們過去的這種派去中國的這種秘密警察派去國外的秘密警察都一定在附近嘛\n\n08:49.224 --> 08:58.428\n所以我是希望說這個第一個情資要全面的共享在外面的情資要分享由我們駐外的辦事處分享給當地的政府警政單位之外國內的單位\n\n09:01.153 --> 09:28.538\n這個都要把它列表嘛從台灣反送中這一連串的到下來國內的全部都要列表尊貴中共在我們不僅國外或國內尤其國內的滲透樣態事實上我們國安局一直都統合國安團隊都有在長壽而且有一些太陽而且都在我們這些國安團隊間會分享有異常的、違常的情勢發生我們就會請相關的單位依法偵辦\n\n09:29.580 --> 09:49.115\n謝謝副市長這個報告在給我最後30秒我把我們地方的一個違安的問題趕快講一下我們剛剛講到那個在免稅店的黃金賊之亂這個事情我看我們地方也會有類似的狀況在很多總統副總統來到我們嘉義的行程的時候會有一些我不知道是他們是自稱是地方的網路媒體\n\n09:50.336 --> 10:17.598\n地方的網絡媒體離總統副總統的距離都是這樣子兩三步然後全部的裝備都是仔細的在去錄影從總統副總統的面部特徵到所有特勤人員的面部特徵每一個都在錄同樣的偽裝成不要講偽裝好不好包裝成地方媒體的在所有的不管是憲兵退役的這種聯誼活動全部都到來去把每一個憲兵軍警的\n\n10:18.539 --> 10:40.572\n面容特徵全部都錄影下來以一個地方的網路媒體來講我不覺得這有什麼我無法理解說為什麼要這樣子特別針對他的面部特徵針對特勤人員、針對軍、縣、警等等全部都有而且他們離總統、副總統的距離是非常近的所以我認為這個是我們必須要注意的\n\n10:41.738 --> 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