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00:03:30,505\n所以大家會以為說在公務機關職場霸凌的問題不嚴重但是事實上看得出來這個問題是嚴重的而不知道就是保訊會在這裡有沒有什麼作為從你們過去累積處理這些案子以來你們有沒有想要說是要去解決或是說是要輔導公務員們在未來在涉及到職場霸凌這個議題的時候他們要怎麼保護自己\n\n10\n00:03:31,133 --> 00:03:54,854\n跟委員報告第一個就是我們現在的法制面應該要先補強第二個就是說職場霸凌我們在每年的對外的宣導裡面其實會去提到案例分析但是過去因為這些相關案例沒有那麼多那這幾年它變得案件數比較多也引起了大家的關切那這當然也謝謝委員們的\n\n11\n00:03:55,835 --> 00:03:56,656\n收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分\n\n12\n00:04:20,811 --> 00:04:21,792\n收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分\n\n13\n00:04:39,688 --> 00:04:40,329\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n14\n00:04:57,245 --> 00:04:58,666\n收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選\n\n15\n00:05:16,496 --> 00:05:45,388\n提出相關的修法。那本席這邊其實還有另外一個問題就是比較實際的因為我知道剛剛前面中嘉賓我也有提到在公務人員保障法的18、19、21條其實都有提到有關於在公務的這個場合裡面就各機關要提供給公務人員有良好的工作環境對於公務人員執行職務要提供安全及衛生防護措施那麼特別是第21條對於公務人員應機關提供的安全\n\n16\n00:05:46,788 --> 00:06:06,403\n衛生防護措施有瑕疵以致其生命身體健康受損受可以依國家賠償法提起請求賠償請問主委您認為在這次的勞動的這個被分署勞動力發展署被分署的那位員工他是不是已經符合了國家賠償法的請求\n\n17\n00:06:22,704 --> 00:06:39,959\n目前我們保訓會沒有辦法去做具體的決定。目前我們保訓會沒有辦法去做具體的決定。目前我們保訓會沒有辦法去做具體的決定。目前我們保訓會沒有辦法去做具體的決定。目前我們保訓會沒有辦法去做具體的決定。目前我們保訓會沒有辦法去做具體的決定。目前我們保訓會沒有辦法去做具體的決定。目前我們保訓會沒有辦法去做具體的決定。目前我們保訓會沒有辦法去做具體的決定。目前我們保訓會沒有辦法去做具體的決定。目前我們保訓會沒有辦法去做具體的決定。目前我們保訓會沒有辦法去做具體的決定。目前我們保訓會沒有辦法去做具體的決定。目前我們保訓會沒有辦法去做具體的決定。\n\n18\n00:06:51,489 --> 00:07:16,167\n這個機關在管理上面一定有失職還包含這個謝宜蓉她本身作為勞動力的這個被分署的署長一定是公務員有違法失職的情況肯定也都符合構成國家賠償所以這個部分的話是希望這個主委可以多站在保護保障我們公務員的權益上面能夠盡量的輔助家屬能夠請求國賠\n\n19\n00:07:17,388 --> 00:07:19,109\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n20\n00:07:33,410 --> 00:07:51,721\n部長您好,是這樣的,因為我想有個問題,這個是其實是長久以來就發生的,因為我們知道考選部每年都辦國家考試,而國家考試很重要,一定要聆聘初體委員、月卷委員,但是呢,初體委員、月卷委員其實他們很辛苦,\n\n21\n00:07:52,501 --> 00:07:53,502\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n22\n00:08:12,495 --> 00:08:15,818\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部\n\n23\n00:08:42,014 --> 00:08:55,694\n跟委員報告我們正在檢討那我希望明年也就是如委員這個簡報所顯示的一旦我現在先穩定一下我們考選基金的那個財務健全的情況那明年我希望能夠提出針對這個的檢討\n\n24\n00:08:57,716 --> 00:09:18,647\n當然我覺得...我覺得太慢了,我希望你們可以盡快提出相關的演繹如果說考選基金沒有辦法...就是考選基金有沒有考試院可以比較像是司法院那樣它也可以每年捐助一筆費用給考選業務基金因為考選業務基金現在情況就是說如果說你的規模沒有辦法成長你沒有辦法提高考生的報名的考試\n\n25\n00:09:24,471 --> 00:09:27,654\n審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分\n\n26\n00:09:43,928 --> 00:10:03,989\n是,在這個部分的話,我是希望說這個要盡快改善,這已經不能再拖,否則的話我想未來可能也找不到這個專家學者出題和月卷了,好嗎?好,OK,那接下來還有一個問題,這個部分可能是跟全序部有關,跟請示請假有關的問題。\n\n27\n00:10:07,389 --> 00:10:10,651\n關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分\n\n28\n00:10:34,282 --> 00:10:35,223\n收支部分關於考試院考選部主管\n\n29\n00:11:04,002 --> 00:11:05,584\n收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管\n\n30\n00:11:23,562 --> 00:11:24,822\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n31\n00:11:49,068 --> 00:12:12,231\n那基本上是沒有辦法滿足現在的這個進入到超高齡社會的需要這個很多的公務員他可能必須要去陪伴他的父母那甚至要更長時間的去照顧但是如果以目前留職停薪的這樣的一個規劃來說的話事實上這個子女這個會兩難他如果說申請留職停薪他就沒有收入來源\n\n32\n00:12:12,991 --> 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--> 00:09.677\n蔡主委、施部長\n\n00:26.758 --> 00:44.492\n蔡主委好我想最近大家都非常關心就是勞動力發展署分署的一個公務員輕生的問題然後這也突顯出在公務機關裡面職場霸凌的問題那麼我本席在這次也看到你們所提的報告書裡面那麼就\n\n00:49.306 --> 00:55.370\n收支部分關於考試院總預算案附屬單位預算部分關於考試院總預算案附屬單位預算部分關於考試院總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n01:16.664 --> 01:17.945\n關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分\n\n01:38.260 --> 01:39.422\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案\n\n01:57.323 --> 02:00.906\n總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n02:24.944 --> 02:25.584\n收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分\n\n02:40.806 --> 03:03.849\n10月底大概有164筆都是跟職場霸凌有關的案件當然我想裡面有些是重複的但是呢這也可以反映一件事情其實就職場霸凌的問題在公務機關這個已經是過去以來就是常常會看到的只是因為沒有發生可能有公務員因此輕生然後事件沒有爆發出來\n\n03:04.409 --> 03:30.505\n所以大家會以為說在公務機關職場霸凌的問題不嚴重但是事實上看得出來這個問題是嚴重的而不知道就是保訊會在這裡有沒有什麼作為從你們過去累積處理這些案子以來你們有沒有想要說是要去解決或是說是要輔導公務員們在未來在涉及到職場霸凌這個議題的時候他們要怎麼保護自己\n\n03:31.133 --> 03:54.854\n跟委員報告第一個就是我們現在的法制面應該要先補強第二個就是說職場霸凌我們在每年的對外的宣導裡面其實會去提到案例分析但是過去因為這些相關案例沒有那麼多那這幾年它變得案件數比較多也引起了大家的關切那這當然也謝謝委員們的\n\n03:55.835 --> 03:56.656\n收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分\n\n04:20.811 --> 04:21.792\n收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分\n\n04:39.688 --> 04:40.329\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n04:57.245 --> 04:58.666\n收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選\n\n05:16.496 --> 05:45.388\n提出相關的修法。那本席這邊其實還有另外一個問題就是比較實際的因為我知道剛剛前面中嘉賓我也有提到在公務人員保障法的18、19、21條其實都有提到有關於在公務的這個場合裡面就各機關要提供給公務人員有良好的工作環境對於公務人員執行職務要提供安全及衛生防護措施那麼特別是第21條對於公務人員應機關提供的安全\n\n05:46.788 --> 06:06.403\n衛生防護措施有瑕疵以致其生命身體健康受損受可以依國家賠償法提起請求賠償請問主委您認為在這次的勞動的這個被分署勞動力發展署被分署的那位員工他是不是已經符合了國家賠償法的請求\n\n06:22.704 --> 06:39.959\n目前我們保訓會沒有辦法去做具體的決定。目前我們保訓會沒有辦法去做具體的決定。目前我們保訓會沒有辦法去做具體的決定。目前我們保訓會沒有辦法去做具體的決定。目前我們保訓會沒有辦法去做具體的決定。目前我們保訓會沒有辦法去做具體的決定。目前我們保訓會沒有辦法去做具體的決定。目前我們保訓會沒有辦法去做具體的決定。目前我們保訓會沒有辦法去做具體的決定。目前我們保訓會沒有辦法去做具體的決定。目前我們保訓會沒有辦法去做具體的決定。目前我們保訓會沒有辦法去做具體的決定。目前我們保訓會沒有辦法去做具體的決定。目前我們保訓會沒有辦法去做具體的決定。\n\n06:51.489 --> 07:16.167\n這個機關在管理上面一定有失職還包含這個謝宜蓉她本身作為勞動力的這個被分署的署長一定是公務員有違法失職的情況肯定也都符合構成國家賠償所以這個部分的話是希望這個主委可以多站在保護保障我們公務員的權益上面能夠盡量的輔助家屬能夠請求國賠\n\n07:17.388 --> 07:19.109\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n07:33.410 --> 07:51.721\n部長您好,是這樣的,因為我想有個問題,這個是其實是長久以來就發生的,因為我們知道考選部每年都辦國家考試,而國家考試很重要,一定要聆聘初體委員、月卷委員,但是呢,初體委員、月卷委員其實他們很辛苦,\n\n07:52.501 --> 07:53.502\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n08:12.495 --> 08:15.818\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部\n\n08:42.014 --> 08:55.694\n跟委員報告我們正在檢討那我希望明年也就是如委員這個簡報所顯示的一旦我現在先穩定一下我們考選基金的那個財務健全的情況那明年我希望能夠提出針對這個的檢討\n\n08:57.716 --> 09:18.647\n當然我覺得...我覺得太慢了,我希望你們可以盡快提出相關的演繹如果說考選基金沒有辦法...就是考選基金有沒有考試院可以比較像是司法院那樣它也可以每年捐助一筆費用給考選業務基金因為考選業務基金現在情況就是說如果說你的規模沒有辦法成長你沒有辦法提高考生的報名的考試\n\n09:24.471 --> 09:27.654\n審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分\n\n09:43.928 --> 10:03.989\n是,在這個部分的話,我是希望說這個要盡快改善,這已經不能再拖,否則的話我想未來可能也找不到這個專家學者出題和月卷了,好嗎?好,OK,那接下來還有一個問題,這個部分可能是跟全序部有關,跟請示請假有關的問題。\n\n10:07.389 --> 10:10.651\n關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分\n\n10:34.282 --> 10:35.223\n收支部分關於考試院考選部主管\n\n11:04.002 --> 11:05.584\n收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管\n\n11:23.562 --> 11:24.822\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n11:49.068 --> 12:12.231\n那基本上是沒有辦法滿足現在的這個進入到超高齡社會的需要這個很多的公務員他可能必須要去陪伴他的父母那甚至要更長時間的去照顧但是如果以目前留職停薪的這樣的一個規劃來說的話事實上這個子女這個會兩難他如果說申請留職停薪他就沒有收入來源\n\n12:12.991 --> 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