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00:01:25,219\n我今天看到今天海委會在編列海巡署的相關預算我不知道等一下在提案的時候各個委員提了多少案我當然也有提但我們希望精進所以提了幾個案件現在也都改成主決議因為跟部會討論過但如果還有其他不勝合理的案件的話不是只求精進而是不勝合理的我建議主委其實可以帶著大家一起到海巡的艦艇上面大家坐在艦艇上面來審預算我相信這些預算\n\n4\n00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,242\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海洋委員會海\n\n5\n00:01:52,361 --> 00:02:03,374\n大家在看文字的時候沒有感覺但是看到了影像看到了這個海巡署的弟兄一手抓著桿一手要在這邊指揮一手要在這邊跟對方這個對峙然後你還要求他一手要拿著錄影機\n\n6\n00:02:09,701 --> 00:02:10,541\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海巡署及所屬、海\n\n7\n00:02:32,368 --> 00:02:51,853\n這表示什麼?表示這個工作並沒有辦法吸引到社會足夠的心血來投入來加入剛剛有討論到可能是因為薪水的關係那這個薪水又跟起薪也就是入行的第一階門檻有關係那剛剛有聽到說是必須跟國防部討論我們其實是覺得主委這個訊息釋出的比較慢一點喔如果是需要跟國防部討論我相信\n\n8\n00:02:59,815 --> 00:03:06,760\n不管是哪一黨的委員,基於台灣的海域安全,我們都願意跟海委會站在一起,跟國防部來討論,來向海巡的弟兄爭取更應有的薪資、應有的待遇。主委,我們這樣的建議,您應該是樂見其成吧?\n\n9\n00:03:17,948 --> 00:03:32,412\n非常謝謝委員給這麼多的鼓勵我想海巡的弟兄姊妹整個基層他們會很感動會很感謝那也謝謝委員都親自游到安檢所去是啊就是看過了才會更知道這是很辛苦的同仁都很開心還拍照給我看很謝謝委員\n\n10\n00:03:35,993 --> 00:03:36,453\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海\n\n11\n00:03:54,918 --> 00:03:55,839\n海巡署及所屬、海巡署及所屬、海\n\n12\n00:04:09,995 --> 00:04:27,288\n對,有特別解釋啦,不過我想這是涉及整個國家齁,能夠招聘新人的這個狀態,我們也會支持這個方向。好,那謝謝主委齁,我們在海巡的這個部分表達態度之後,還是要就另外一體我也相當關心的地方創生的部分來跟您就教喔。\n\n13\n00:04:27,728 --> 00:04:48,615\n我看到這個國發會在2025年推出了四年的打造永續共好地方創生計畫這當中有11個部會要參與地方創生而海委會的部分呢其實也參與在其中海委會扮演的角色有協助在地發掘海洋特色資源與文化發展落實永續推動生態旅遊、海域空間規劃、設施活化\n\n14\n00:04:50,416 --> 00:04:55,561\n甚至是海費資源循環再利用等等那這一些項目裡面呢我看到海委會這邊啊其實坦白講爭取到的預算似乎還不夠多因為四年的60億裡面呢海委會其實相當少啊他一共這四年裡面第一年\n\n15\n00:05:11,576 --> 00:05:13,698\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海巡署及所屬、海巡署及所屬\n\n16\n00:05:31,089 --> 00:05:32,290\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海巡署及所屬、海巡署及所屬\n\n17\n00:06:01,289 --> 00:06:02,931\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海洋委員會海\n\n18\n00:06:23,789 --> 00:06:25,450\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海\n\n19\n00:06:42,461 --> 00:06:59,272\n我們會很努力,然後好的案子不會漏接。那我們也會結合,我們海保署也有在地守護。那在地守護如果能夠跟地方創生結合的時候,兩岡罪也可以控制。主委,你現在這句話就是我想要問的第二個問題。第二個問題是兩岡罪到底可以控制嗎?\n\n20\n00:07:02,194 --> 00:07:04,718\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海巡署及所屬、海\n\n21\n00:07:17,898 --> 00:07:20,600\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海巡署及所屬、海\n\n22\n00:07:43,254 --> 00:07:53,560\n主委有一個好消息,就是我們處長下個月就會是漁業署署長,那漁業署在這個部分的經費好幾億,兩天罪也可以合作嗎?還是要更好地找好案,好案共同來支持?\n\n23\n00:08:01,604 --> 00:08:23,332\n我們是很高興樂見其成啦樂見可以在為更多的人更多的單位做服務啦雖然不曉得在這裡宣布不OK啦但是他已經被被被破光了已經喔那我們樂見其成但我要的答案確實是這樣因為我也贊成應該是要有好的計畫以後能夠足夠資源要撐起一個計畫\n\n24\n00:08:24,432 --> 00:08:25,893\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海\n\n25\n00:08:51,500 --> 00:08:52,882\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海巡署及所屬、海\n\n26\n00:09:06,497 --> 00:09:17,000\n那在這裡的話既然主委您的方式已經確定了那我也希望您能夠跟外界更大的不答海委會在這一類的計畫當中你的核心目標和審查標準因為我知道太多的團體都在期待著看這個補助計畫是要怎麼開出來怎麼被審核今天我們聽到了主委的態度那我們希望能夠更明確的不答核心目標\n\n27\n00:09:32,584 --> 00:09:53,177\n審查標準,讓我們每個人都能夠朝向您心外的方向,也可以一級正地。報告我們處長很優秀,9月份就開始辦說明會了。我們都到地方都去辦說明會。那因為連委員都還沒有收到資料,那所以麻煩一下,讓我也有機會可以去地方向您做傳播,替您做傳播。好,謝謝。好,謝謝。好,我們請徐信英委員。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2298\t6541\t好 謝謝主席 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我們請管主委主委好主委好主委我想剛剛我們多位委員不分政黨屬性我們都對海巡表達了極大的支持確實我們海委會在這裡真的就是保育台灣的海域安全保育台灣的海洋\n能夠繼續生生不息這是我們最大的任務那如果說到海巡署其實本需要在這個其他的場合在院會以外的其他地方在地方碰到這個海巡署的弟兄的時候其實我的態度很清楚跟在委員會從上課會期一樣我們遇到了太多的事情都是靠海巡的弟兄在捍衛著台灣的第一線所以簡單講就只有一句要人給人、要錢給錢、要設備給設備就是應該是這樣子的態度所以喔\n我今天看到今天海委會在編列海巡署的相關預算我不知道等一下在提案的時候各個委員提了多少案我當然也有提但我們希望精進所以提了幾個案件現在也都改成主決議因為跟部會討論過但如果還有其他不勝合理的案件的話不是只求精進而是不勝合理的我建議主委其實可以帶著大家一起到海巡的艦艇上面大家坐在艦艇上面來審預算我相信這些預算\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海洋委員會海\n大家在看文字的時候沒有感覺但是看到了影像看到了這個海巡署的弟兄一手抓著桿一手要在這邊指揮一手要在這邊跟對方這個對峙然後你還要求他一手要拿著錄影機\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海巡署及所屬、海\n這表示什麼?表示這個工作並沒有辦法吸引到社會足夠的心血來投入來加入剛剛有討論到可能是因為薪水的關係那這個薪水又跟起薪也就是入行的第一階門檻有關係那剛剛有聽到說是必須跟國防部討論我們其實是覺得主委這個訊息釋出的比較慢一點喔如果是需要跟國防部討論我相信\n不管是哪一黨的委員,基於台灣的海域安全,我們都願意跟海委會站在一起,跟國防部來討論,來向海巡的弟兄爭取更應有的薪資、應有的待遇。主委,我們這樣的建議,您應該是樂見其成吧?\n非常謝謝委員給這麼多的鼓勵我想海巡的弟兄姊妹整個基層他們會很感動會很感謝那也謝謝委員都親自游到安檢所去是啊就是看過了才會更知道這是很辛苦的同仁都很開心還拍照給我看很謝謝委員\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海\n海巡署及所屬、海巡署及所屬、海\n對,有特別解釋啦,不過我想這是涉及整個國家齁,能夠招聘新人的這個狀態,我們也會支持這個方向。好,那謝謝主委齁,我們在海巡的這個部分表達態度之後,還是要就另外一體我也相當關心的地方創生的部分來跟您就教喔。\n我看到這個國發會在2025年推出了四年的打造永續共好地方創生計畫這當中有11個部會要參與地方創生而海委會的部分呢其實也參與在其中海委會扮演的角色有協助在地發掘海洋特色資源與文化發展落實永續推動生態旅遊、海域空間規劃、設施活化\n甚至是海費資源循環再利用等等那這一些項目裡面呢我看到海委會這邊啊其實坦白講爭取到的預算似乎還不夠多因為四年的60億裡面呢海委會其實相當少啊他一共這四年裡面第一年\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海巡署及所屬、海巡署及所屬\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海巡署及所屬、海巡署及所屬\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海洋委員會海\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海\n我們會很努力,然後好的案子不會漏接。那我們也會結合,我們海保署也有在地守護。那在地守護如果能夠跟地方創生結合的時候,兩岡罪也可以控制。主委,你現在這句話就是我想要問的第二個問題。第二個問題是兩岡罪到底可以控制嗎?\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海巡署及所屬、海\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海巡署及所屬、海\n主委有一個好消息,就是我們處長下個月就會是漁業署署長,那漁業署在這個部分的經費好幾億,兩天罪也可以合作嗎?還是要更好地找好案,好案共同來支持?\n我們是很高興樂見其成啦樂見可以在為更多的人更多的單位做服務啦雖然不曉得在這裡宣布不OK啦但是他已經被被被破光了已經喔那我們樂見其成但我要的答案確實是這樣因為我也贊成應該是要有好的計畫以後能夠足夠資源要撐起一個計畫\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海巡署及所屬、海\n那在這裡的話既然主委您的方式已經確定了那我也希望您能夠跟外界更大的不答海委會在這一類的計畫當中你的核心目標和審查標準因為我知道太多的團體都在期待著看這個補助計畫是要怎麼開出來怎麼被審核今天我們聽到了主委的態度那我們希望能夠更明確的不答核心目標\n審查標準,讓我們每個人都能夠朝向您心外的方向,也可以一級正地。報告我們處長很優秀,9月份就開始辦說明會了。我們都到地方都去辦說明會。那因為連委員都還沒有收到資料,那所以麻煩一下,讓我也有機會可以去地方向您做傳播,替您做傳播。好,謝謝。好,謝謝。好,我們請徐信英委員。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.298 --> 00:06.541\n好謝謝主席我們請管主委主委好主委好主委我想剛剛我們多位委員不分政黨屬性我們都對海巡表達了極大的支持確實我們海委會在這裡真的就是保育台灣的海域安全保育台灣的海洋\n\n00:29.398 --> 00:52.245\n能夠繼續生生不息這是我們最大的任務那如果說到海巡署其實本需要在這個其他的場合在院會以外的其他地方在地方碰到這個海巡署的弟兄的時候其實我的態度很清楚跟在委員會從上課會期一樣我們遇到了太多的事情都是靠海巡的弟兄在捍衛著台灣的第一線所以簡單講就只有一句要人給人、要錢給錢、要設備給設備就是應該是這樣子的態度所以喔\n\n00:58.467 --> 01:25.219\n我今天看到今天海委會在編列海巡署的相關預算我不知道等一下在提案的時候各個委員提了多少案我當然也有提但我們希望精進所以提了幾個案件現在也都改成主決議因為跟部會討論過但如果還有其他不勝合理的案件的話不是只求精進而是不勝合理的我建議主委其實可以帶著大家一起到海巡的艦艇上面大家坐在艦艇上面來審預算我相信這些預算\n\n01:28.280 --> 01:30.242\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海洋委員會海\n\n01:52.361 --> 02:03.374\n大家在看文字的時候沒有感覺但是看到了影像看到了這個海巡署的弟兄一手抓著桿一手要在這邊指揮一手要在這邊跟對方這個對峙然後你還要求他一手要拿著錄影機\n\n02:09.701 --> 02:10.541\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海巡署及所屬、海\n\n02:32.368 --> 02:51.853\n這表示什麼?表示這個工作並沒有辦法吸引到社會足夠的心血來投入來加入剛剛有討論到可能是因為薪水的關係那這個薪水又跟起薪也就是入行的第一階門檻有關係那剛剛有聽到說是必須跟國防部討論我們其實是覺得主委這個訊息釋出的比較慢一點喔如果是需要跟國防部討論我相信\n\n02:59.815 --> 03:06.760\n不管是哪一黨的委員,基於台灣的海域安全,我們都願意跟海委會站在一起,跟國防部來討論,來向海巡的弟兄爭取更應有的薪資、應有的待遇。主委,我們這樣的建議,您應該是樂見其成吧?\n\n03:17.948 --> 03:32.412\n非常謝謝委員給這麼多的鼓勵我想海巡的弟兄姊妹整個基層他們會很感動會很感謝那也謝謝委員都親自游到安檢所去是啊就是看過了才會更知道這是很辛苦的同仁都很開心還拍照給我看很謝謝委員\n\n03:35.993 --> 03:36.453\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海\n\n03:54.918 --> 03:55.839\n海巡署及所屬、海巡署及所屬、海\n\n04:09.995 --> 04:27.288\n對,有特別解釋啦,不過我想這是涉及整個國家齁,能夠招聘新人的這個狀態,我們也會支持這個方向。好,那謝謝主委齁,我們在海巡的這個部分表達態度之後,還是要就另外一體我也相當關心的地方創生的部分來跟您就教喔。\n\n04:27.728 --> 04:48.615\n我看到這個國發會在2025年推出了四年的打造永續共好地方創生計畫這當中有11個部會要參與地方創生而海委會的部分呢其實也參與在其中海委會扮演的角色有協助在地發掘海洋特色資源與文化發展落實永續推動生態旅遊、海域空間規劃、設施活化\n\n04:50.416 --> 04:55.561\n甚至是海費資源循環再利用等等那這一些項目裡面呢我看到海委會這邊啊其實坦白講爭取到的預算似乎還不夠多因為四年的60億裡面呢海委會其實相當少啊他一共這四年裡面第一年\n\n05:11.576 --> 05:13.698\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海巡署及所屬、海巡署及所屬\n\n05:31.089 --> 05:32.290\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海巡署及所屬、海巡署及所屬\n\n06:01.289 --> 06:02.931\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海洋委員會海\n\n06:23.789 --> 06:25.450\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海\n\n06:42.461 --> 06:59.272\n我們會很努力,然後好的案子不會漏接。那我們也會結合,我們海保署也有在地守護。那在地守護如果能夠跟地方創生結合的時候,兩岡罪也可以控制。主委,你現在這句話就是我想要問的第二個問題。第二個問題是兩岡罪到底可以控制嗎?\n\n07:02.194 --> 07:04.718\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海巡署及所屬、海\n\n07:17.898 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一個中長期計畫，過去是用公務預算來做，那公務預算來做的時候，規模就很小。跟委員報告，我來的時候，海委會的預算1年會本部才6億。"],["蘇委員巧慧：是，所以這一年增加了相當多的預算。"],["管主任委員碧玲：後來變成8億，明年變成11億，仍然是微乎其微。所以我們會很努力，然後好的案子不會漏接，我們也會結合，我們海保署也有在地守護，在地守護如果能夠跟地方創生結合的時候，兩缸水也可以放在一起。"],["蘇委員巧慧：主委，你現在這句話就是我想要問的第二個問題，第二個問題是，兩缸水到底可不可以放在同一注？"],["管主任委員碧玲：如果是同一個案，共同都有這些風向……"],["蘇委員巧慧：確實就是這樣，因為如果要推動鯨豚觀光，我是跟你申請還是跟交通部？我可以兩邊都申請嗎？假設我用一個鯨豚觀光來說的話。"],["管主任委員碧玲：它基本上沒有排斥。"],["蘇委員巧慧：基本上沒有排斥嘛，對不對？"],["管主任委員碧玲：我們的案基本上沒有排斥。"],["蘇委員巧慧：好，基本上沒有排斥。主委，我們就是等您這句話，因為我們的時間也是有限，在這個過程中，從你的回答當中我聽到了我想要的，第一，精準投資和遍地開花你不排斥，你贊成精準投資，因為希望以大帶小；但你也不反對，如果有好的狀況的話，其實也可以多來幾個。"],["管主任委員碧玲：是。"],["蘇委員巧慧：好，主委，這個部分……"],["管主任委員碧玲：委員，有一個好消息，就是我們處長下個月就會是漁業署署長，漁業署在這個部分的經費好幾億，兩缸水也可以合在一起，以後會更好去找好的案子共同來支持。"],["蘇委員巧慧：我們是很高興、樂見其成，樂見可以為更多的人、更多的單位做服務，雖然不曉得在這裡宣布OK不OK啦，但是……"],["管主任委員碧玲：他已經被曝光了，而且也定案了。"],["蘇委員巧慧：好，那我們樂見其成，但我要的答案確實是這樣，因為我也贊成應該是要有好的計畫以後，能夠有足夠資源撐起一個計畫，不要到遍地，我贊成每個人都有資源，但是不能遍地開花到每一個都是小小的資源，這樣做不出東西來，我覺得就會可惜了。"],["管主任委員碧玲：有潛力的我們給它一個基礎。"],["蘇委員巧慧：但是如果海委會這邊一個單位沒有辦法給足預算，我也支持可以讓各個部會不管是觀光也好或是現在提到的漁業署也好來共同支持，現在聽到你肯定的答復，我覺得……"],["管主任委員碧玲：以後三缸水──會本部、海保署和漁業署已經確定了。"],["蘇委員巧慧：最好是這樣，甚至你可以加入其他部會，我也不反對，你可以加入文化部或其他的……"],["管主任委員碧玲：經濟部也可以。"],["蘇委員巧慧：我都贊成，所以在這樣的狀況下……"],["管主任委員碧玲：但是那邊沒有我們的人，現在漁業署……"],["蘇委員巧慧：在這裡既然主委的方式已經確定了，我也希望你能夠跟外界更大的布達，海委會在這一類計畫當中的核心目標和審查標準，因為我知道太多團體都在期待著看這個補助計畫要怎麼開出來、怎麼被審核，今天我們聽到了主委的態度，我們希望能夠更明確地布達核心目標、審查標準，讓我們每個人都能夠朝向你希望的方向，也可以一擊中的。"],["管主任委員碧玲：跟委員報告，我們處長很優秀，9月份就開始辦說明會了，我們都到地方去辦說明會，業界或縣市政府……"],["蘇委員巧慧：因為連委員都還沒有收到資料。"],["管主任委員碧玲：很抱歉。"],["蘇委員巧慧：所以麻煩一下，讓我有機會可以去地方替您做傳播。"],["管主任委員碧玲：好，謝謝委員，地方創生很重要。"],["蘇委員巧慧：謝謝。"],["主席（張委員宏陸）：請徐欣瑩委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":386,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-15-12","speakers":["張宏陸","麥玉珍","張智倫","王美惠","黃捷","牛煦庭","黃建賓","李柏毅","蘇巧慧","徐欣瑩","陳培瑜","吳琪銘","羅智強","丁學忠","許宇甄","陳冠廷"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2024-11-27"],"gazette_id":"11310602","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11310602_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第12次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請海洋委員會主任委員率同所屬列席報告業務概況，並備質詢；二、審查114年度中央政\n府總預算案關於海洋委員會部分；三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海洋委員會海巡署及\n所屬、海洋委員會海洋保育署、國家海洋研究院部分；四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬\n單位預算非營業部分關於海洋委員會主管特別收入基金─ 海洋污染防治基金","agenda_id":"11310602_00001"}}}