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很多設備壞掉的確有好多就是冷凍冷藏或是電腦設備突然就當掉\n這個部分我們也有跟台電說,這個不預期的這種跳電,就是全島大停電這個部分的話,民眾受到這個損害,如何來跟民眾做相關的這個賠償,有什麼想法嗎?\n陳玉珍陳玉珍陳玉珍陳玉珍陳玉珍\n委員會長\n原來你們說做這個除人的系統做即時救援你看我們後來有兩個新的在古林倉庫那裡你們原來的功能叫做即時救援109年、110年都做好了兩個有四個系統兩個是要做消風填谷有兩個是要做即時救援那這個就是最需要即時救援的時候完全沒有發揮功能啊\n委員我跟您說明首先第一個基本發生這個事情臺電說再多都是就解釋不如我們好好檢討要怎麼改變我跟委員報告這件事情其實有好幾個部分包括就是說我們的有些設備是不是要裝\n這講起來會非常長,但我知道都有一個報告我也讀了我的意思是說即時救援也沒有發揮功能啦你們這個要想看看因為也不是第一次全島大停電你們有那麼多機組那麼多設備這個也停那個停全島停會有局部啦全島停好幾次所以我覺得這個是你們要檢討一下那麼第二個補償啦或者是說賠償或者補償不管你怎麼用哪個詞這個你幫我想一個辦法因為你再基本太常發生我們沒有辦法接受\n我那個台電的營業規章和一些規範我們會來跟你們的規範很多都是要很多人沒關係你們來規劃跟我講因為的確好多民眾提出這樣的要求當然金額都不是很大但是金額雖然不大但是也是民眾的這個損失啊幾千塊啊幾萬塊啊這也是損失啊你們這樣子對民眾影響太大了因為普遍性的多了\n臺電在金門做風力還有太陽發電有兩個風力的在後面那邊\n．玉珍．玉珍．玉珍\n但是我們基本這個財政人員共比還是在10%以下,這大概跟全國是差不多了,10%是不是?差不多。但是你看一下發電城,在台灣用綠能比較貴,對不對?5塊多嗎?5塊多是不是?用那個一般的不然什麼藍莓什麼其他的發電,你們發電是3塊多是不是?還是4塊?\n在台灣3塊多那在台灣用綠能是比較貴的齁對不對這是在台灣平均但是在金門在金門用綠能是比較便宜的你看金門用塔山發電廠發電成本是9塊269點26我們在金門用再生能源就是太陽光你們購買的是5點4對不對所以在金門用再生能源還便宜了3塊多對不對如果以你們112年購電量兩萬三千多度來講\n一年就幫你們省了八千多（如果你們全島、全金門都用綠人（一年可以為政府省十億欸（對不對（這個沒錯吧（如果全島都用綠人（所以事實上（第一個本期在這個離島經濟條例裡頭（今天我們還有提啊（那離島經濟條例對於離島地區（尤其像我們這樣金門地區（不管你們現在才五塊多嘛（你們的成本大概在九塊十塊（在金門發電（如果就算加碼的補助（補到六塊（\n陳玉珍\n金門一年用電3.17億度,那個3.17億度要用再生能源如果用光電來算的話就是400MW大概就可以發到4億度左右但是因為它白天有晚上沒有所以我們還大概沒有辦法那麼高我們會加一些儲能剛才你有講了\n我是完全支持,站在台電立場是完全支持金白白做再生能源。因為主要是空間。\n我來請能源署來跟金門縣政府那邊再來談我請能源署來跟金門縣政府那邊再來談另外一個經濟部長不是說要在菲律賓、電線、電建覽嗎?菲律賓到台灣島是大概300多公里吧?旅送到台灣是300多公里吧?\n那現在在2021��大概2021年的時候（澎湖跟那個臺灣島已經在變成網內（已經拉起來了（2021年已經拉起來了（對不對（那金門到臺灣也才200多公里（比呂宋島還近（比菲律賓還近（你們也可以考慮幫我們拉一條線（也是省（你現在發電一年在金門你要虧十幾億（一、二十億應該要（應該可能不止（對吧\n陳玉珍\n我那天也跟經濟委員會融業部講你那個牛節節你跟日本日本的牛換牛節節證就可以又可以賣來台灣金門的牛就不能賣來台灣我說台灣島齁那那個你都會想從菲律賓拉店你怎麼不想從金門這樣跟金門拉呢那我們變成一國嘛是不是往內嘛這可以思考\n陳玉珍陳玉珍陳玉珍陳玉珍\n有沒有問題?\n是。 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