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00:00:05,430\n麻煩請副局長還有警政署副署長來,各位請\n\n2\n00:00:10,811 --> 00:00:14,813\n今天大家關切我們看到國有器官這個影片的播放那可能接到恐嚇的這個部分這個當然在台灣我們是不希望而且不容許發生不管是活在器官或者是像恐嚇的這樣的行為因為除了像在因為在公共的\n\n3\n00:00:34,504 --> 00:00:34,544\n馬文君議員\n\n4\n00:00:58,546 --> 00:00:59,868\n這一點對我們來說我們在偵查的這個過程當中會不會有什麼樣的困難\n\n5\n00:01:24,724 --> 00:01:53,479\n跟委員報告因為他跨很多國家所以如果是一些我們有名的國家我們會建立一些網安協查跟那個害心激政的一個查處的協議所以這會透過這些合作友方來協助然後另外一個就是我們也會根據其他的數位激政去做綜合的研判那如果是沒有這種合作的國家的確我們要去查那個IP會有它的困難\n\n6\n00:01:54,588 --> 00:02:14,382\n因為那個可能是查對象啦不過因為他已經有很明確的恐嚇的一個可能標的所以他放映的地點大家可能就要更謹慎就像如果說他有嫌犯說我要放在鐵路啊我要放在哪裡其實大家可能對這些區域可能就要更加謹慎的去防範不要發生\n\n7\n00:02:16,684 --> 00:02:32,436\n可是就這個我相信因為我們每年的預算不管在科技偵查的這個部分尤其副局長您本身也是科技出身對這一方面其實也是非常的熟悉在行所以我們希望說就這個部分我們在很多預算的編列的情況之下怎麼樣去因應或者去查查或者怎麼樣去預防這個部分由我們專業的來做那另外可能提到像這樣子\n\n8\n00:02:45,225 --> 00:03:02,777\n活摘器官的部分除了像我們影片現在在播映的內容以外其實我們更擔心的是現在進行式因為我們常常接到非常多的陳情很多家長都說他們的孩子都被騙被騙到或者甚至出國以後先被騙出國然後出國以後就被強壓到柬埔寨這樣子的一個高風險的地方\n\n9\n00:03:11,883 --> 00:03:20,949\n我想來請教這個部分我們到底有沒有做到什麼樣的因應方式我們現在這個是現在進行式而且我們很多年輕人現在就面臨這樣的風險很多都必須要拿出贖金有的才可以回來那他們有很多也被活摘器官因為講得非常非常的驚悚\n\n10\n00:03:32,717 --> 00:03:39,439\n甚至在公海上面就可以馬上進行像這樣我們也應該要予以譴責在目前我們沒有看到其實這個才是我們應該要更關注的因為這是我們的國人而且都是我們的年輕人所以這個部分我想其實國安局應該要有一些因應的作為剛剛還有請警政署也一起上來主要就是這樣因為像我們現在在面對詐騙的時候有很多銀行的行員或者我們便利商店\n\n11\n00:04:01,246 --> 00:04:02,627\n他們要買點數的時候就是比較超出一些正常的一個情況或者要匯款的時候很多老先生老太太也要匯高額的款項出去的時候我們都會通報警察\n\n12\n00:04:16,656 --> 00:04:22,681\n或者會有因應的作為去勸說像這樣子反而我們現在都沒有看到比如說我們被騙到東南亞被騙到柬埔寨這樣的年輕人他們可以怎麼做我們再說有很多國家很多委員我們包括我們現在政府在關切說到哪一個國家或者到哪一些國家會有風險的時候那這些國家有沒有被列在裡面比如說我們看到很多一群一群年輕人在我們出境的\n\n13\n00:04:44,958 --> 00:04:45,118\n副署長\n\n14\n00:05:06,862 --> 00:05:18,713\n有跟被騙到國外去打工或是說去發生被騙的情形那我們在行政院頒布的打詐事件\n\n15\n00:05:22,216 --> 00:05:32,108\n作為是什麼?很多人就在出盡大天啊因為一般你一定買來回機票嘛可是很多都是用單程的機票就出去了所以就像我們這些防詐騙一樣你就會有很多的作為去幫忙勸說不然這樣的集團他們的手段也非常多我們的年輕人該怎麼辦?\n\n16\n00:05:41,539 --> 00:05:57,430\n我們平常是有分領分眾在先導那前一陣子我們有在機場就是說對於這些年輕人出國我們有特別製作那個牌子希望他們這個慎重考慮或是說出國以後牌子擺在哪裡\n\n17\n00:05:58,737 --> 00:06:03,558\n之前有先導那最近沒有所以這個才是現在進行式我們現在還是每天常常會接到很多家長的陳情有的哭得非常嚴重因為他們不知道自己的孩子在哪裡可是我們應該要加強的現在反而是這個部分因為這個牽涉到都是我們的國人我們的年輕人\n\n18\n00:06:17,842 --> 00:06:38,942\n他們現在有的還透過外交部啊索要贖金啊這確認說到底真的假的所以這個部分警政署可以在就近的時間之內可以給我們這個部分好不好因為有一些畢竟是發生在國外我們不知道應該要怎麼樣去防堵可是在國內發生的我們反而沒有讓沒有積極的作為這是不對的那什麼多少時間可以給我們\n\n19\n00:06:44,136 --> 00:06:50,080\n我們兩個禮拜給委員報告好謝謝把一些相關的作為你可以在詐騙都一直一直這樣宣導然後在出鏡的時候你都可以做這些勸導那像這一種的我們更應該要提高警覺減少他的發聲因為我們沒有辦法百分之百總是可是你像有一些你攔下來有一些老先生就不會被騙了他的那個一生的積蓄有些就會被保留下來我們希望\n\n20\n00:07:10,151 --> 00:07:20,635\n每一條生命都很重要的透過我們的關注還有我們的預防其實這個可能比其他的還重要就是政治的議題其實有時候去廣泛的討論還不如我們務實的去珍惜我們周邊每一條年輕的生命那利用一點時間再請教我們國安局副局長我想請教一下事先知不知道那個肅勤會靠過來\n\n21\n00:07:39,929 --> 00:07:54,575\n你知道肅琴是誰嗎?現在不是很紅?我是肅琴啊?那個...這個...彩蒙這個部分事實上是我們剛剛副指揮官有做過報告所以就是他已經在管制區內沒有關係\n\n22\n00:07:56,567 --> 00:08:13,408\n副局長我們今天要講的剛剛有很多委員關切那這個也有討論過了可是我們要說的是安全的問題今天他的作為你今天雖然在管制區裡面可是你看到我們這一張照片他拉的這個布條其實是很大一條欸以前清\n\n23\n00:08:15,450 --> 00:08:19,914\n那個金科刺秦王的時候他那個圖窮筆線他就是放在圖裡面啊你這個如果說是捲在那裡面你也不知道啊他是不是有什麼供給的一個利器你也不知道再加上管制區裡面雖然只有煙酒賣煙酒的一個商店\n\n24\n00:08:33,306 --> 00:08:33,346\n馬文君\n\n25\n00:08:52,890 --> 00:08:55,351\n為什麼要特別提出來是你應該要因應雖然你事先其實已經有做過一些可能流程然後也認為這是管制區域可是當你面對有一些不一樣的跟我們預測的不一樣的時候顯然我們的做法是不夠靈活\n\n26\n00:09:10,896 --> 00:09:15,720\n而且甚至是有風險的這個部分藉由這個事件我們特別提出來所以我們在這裡可能也希望說像任何東西都有可能發生任何時間點對象都有可能發生這個部分不是說我們要去檢討而已而是你在面對任何可能發生的情況尤其是現在它包括空中的攻擊或者其他的攻擊隨時都在你不要說因為一慌亂或者一高興然後就沖昏了頭連我們應該訓練有素的人\n\n27\n00:09:39,577 --> 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--> 00:05.430\n麻煩請副局長還有警政署副署長來,各位請\n\n00:10.811 --> 00:14.813\n今天大家關切我們看到國有器官這個影片的播放那可能接到恐嚇的這個部分這個當然在台灣我們是不希望而且不容許發生不管是活在器官或者是像恐嚇的這樣的行為因為除了像在因為在公共的\n\n00:34.504 --> 00:34.544\n馬文君議員\n\n00:58.546 --> 00:59.868\n這一點對我們來說我們在偵查的這個過程當中會不會有什麼樣的困難\n\n01:24.724 --> 01:53.479\n跟委員報告因為他跨很多國家所以如果是一些我們有名的國家我們會建立一些網安協查跟那個害心激政的一個查處的協議所以這會透過這些合作友方來協助然後另外一個就是我們也會根據其他的數位激政去做綜合的研判那如果是沒有這種合作的國家的確我們要去查那個IP會有它的困難\n\n01:54.588 --> 02:14.382\n因為那個可能是查對象啦不過因為他已經有很明確的恐嚇的一個可能標的所以他放映的地點大家可能就要更謹慎就像如果說他有嫌犯說我要放在鐵路啊我要放在哪裡其實大家可能對這些區域可能就要更加謹慎的去防範不要發生\n\n02:16.684 --> 02:32.436\n可是就這個我相信因為我們每年的預算不管在科技偵查的這個部分尤其副局長您本身也是科技出身對這一方面其實也是非常的熟悉在行所以我們希望說就這個部分我們在很多預算的編列的情況之下怎麼樣去因應或者去查查或者怎麼樣去預防這個部分由我們專業的來做那另外可能提到像這樣子\n\n02:45.225 --> 03:02.777\n活摘器官的部分除了像我們影片現在在播映的內容以外其實我們更擔心的是現在進行式因為我們常常接到非常多的陳情很多家長都說他們的孩子都被騙被騙到或者甚至出國以後先被騙出國然後出國以後就被強壓到柬埔寨這樣子的一個高風險的地方\n\n03:11.883 --> 03:20.949\n我想來請教這個部分我們到底有沒有做到什麼樣的因應方式我們現在這個是現在進行式而且我們很多年輕人現在就面臨這樣的風險很多都必須要拿出贖金有的才可以回來那他們有很多也被活摘器官因為講得非常非常的驚悚\n\n03:32.717 --> 03:39.439\n甚至在公海上面就可以馬上進行像這樣我們也應該要予以譴責在目前我們沒有看到其實這個才是我們應該要更關注的因為這是我們的國人而且都是我們的年輕人所以這個部分我想其實國安局應該要有一些因應的作為剛剛還有請警政署也一起上來主要就是這樣因為像我們現在在面對詐騙的時候有很多銀行的行員或者我們便利商店\n\n04:01.246 --> 04:02.627\n他們要買點數的時候就是比較超出一些正常的一個情況或者要匯款的時候很多老先生老太太也要匯高額的款項出去的時候我們都會通報警察\n\n04:16.656 --> 04:22.681\n或者會有因應的作為去勸說像這樣子反而我們現在都沒有看到比如說我們被騙到東南亞被騙到柬埔寨這樣的年輕人他們可以怎麼做我們再說有很多國家很多委員我們包括我們現在政府在關切說到哪一個國家或者到哪一些國家會有風險的時候那這些國家有沒有被列在裡面比如說我們看到很多一群一群年輕人在我們出境的\n\n04:44.958 --> 04:45.118\n副署長\n\n05:06.862 --> 05:18.713\n有跟被騙到國外去打工或是說去發生被騙的情形那我們在行政院頒布的打詐事件\n\n05:22.216 --> 05:32.108\n作為是什麼?很多人就在出盡大天啊因為一般你一定買來回機票嘛可是很多都是用單程的機票就出去了所以就像我們這些防詐騙一樣你就會有很多的作為去幫忙勸說不然這樣的集團他們的手段也非常多我們的年輕人該怎麼辦?\n\n05:41.539 --> 05:57.430\n我們平常是有分領分眾在先導那前一陣子我們有在機場就是說對於這些年輕人出國我們有特別製作那個牌子希望他們這個慎重考慮或是說出國以後牌子擺在哪裡\n\n05:58.737 --> 06:03.558\n之前有先導那最近沒有所以這個才是現在進行式我們現在還是每天常常會接到很多家長的陳情有的哭得非常嚴重因為他們不知道自己的孩子在哪裡可是我們應該要加強的現在反而是這個部分因為這個牽涉到都是我們的國人我們的年輕人\n\n06:17.842 --> 06:38.942\n他們現在有的還透過外交部啊索要贖金啊這確認說到底真的假的所以這個部分警政署可以在就近的時間之內可以給我們這個部分好不好因為有一些畢竟是發生在國外我們不知道應該要怎麼樣去防堵可是在國內發生的我們反而沒有讓沒有積極的作為這是不對的那什麼多少時間可以給我們\n\n06:44.136 --> 06:50.080\n我們兩個禮拜給委員報告好謝謝把一些相關的作為你可以在詐騙都一直一直這樣宣導然後在出鏡的時候你都可以做這些勸導那像這一種的我們更應該要提高警覺減少他的發聲因為我們沒有辦法百分之百總是可是你像有一些你攔下來有一些老先生就不會被騙了他的那個一生的積蓄有些就會被保留下來我們希望\n\n07:10.151 --> 07:20.635\n每一條生命都很重要的透過我們的關注還有我們的預防其實這個可能比其他的還重要就是政治的議題其實有時候去廣泛的討論還不如我們務實的去珍惜我們周邊每一條年輕的生命那利用一點時間再請教我們國安局副局長我想請教一下事先知不知道那個肅勤會靠過來\n\n07:39.929 --> 07:54.575\n你知道肅琴是誰嗎?現在不是很紅?我是肅琴啊?那個...這個...彩蒙這個部分事實上是我們剛剛副指揮官有做過報告所以就是他已經在管制區內沒有關係\n\n07:56.567 --> 08:13.408\n副局長我們今天要講的剛剛有很多委員關切那這個也有討論過了可是我們要說的是安全的問題今天他的作為你今天雖然在管制區裡面可是你看到我們這一張照片他拉的這個布條其實是很大一條欸以前清\n\n08:15.450 --> 08:19.914\n那個金科刺秦王的時候他那個圖窮筆線他就是放在圖裡面啊你這個如果說是捲在那裡面你也不知道啊他是不是有什麼供給的一個利器你也不知道再加上管制區裡面雖然只有煙酒賣煙酒的一個商店\n\n08:33.306 --> 08:33.346\n馬文君\n\n08:52.890 --> 08:55.351\n為什麼要特別提出來是你應該要因應雖然你事先其實已經有做過一些可能流程然後也認為這是管制區域可是當你面對有一些不一樣的跟我們預測的不一樣的時候顯然我們的做法是不夠靈活\n\n09:10.896 --> 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