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--> 00:01:55,622\n我想中國有他對台灣的審查原則\n\n7\n00:02:13,786 --> 00:02:15,647\n對,所以言下之意就是中國對於台灣這兩個字或者是對台灣主體性的相關的東西是避到不能記打壓到不能打壓\n\n8\n00:02:30,339 --> 00:02:43,870\n但是有關於中國其實他們不論是現在透過OTT平台又或者是透過抖音又或者是透過其他的網路的媒介即使我們現在常常講說中國的影片要進來台灣都要經過一定的審查或者是審核對一年只有10部\n\n9\n00:02:49,454 --> 00:03:12,234\n但是OTT平台當中其實你要看也管不到所以同樣的中國的這種長臂管轄於台灣像我們今天討論的這個國有器官即使他本身是進來在台灣演了但是因為他製造這種所謂灰色地帶的恐懼跟恐慌事實上對他們有利的\n\n10\n00:03:12,975 --> 00:03:27,623\n我們沒有辦法去做相關的法規的阻止但是像這種就是揭露中國真相的確實常常會透過其他的方式來侵擾台灣原本應該要有的言論保障對不對\n\n11\n00:03:28,971 --> 00:03:56,742\n我想中國利用台灣民主自由的這個特點作為一個他們力量的延伸跟切入點大概由來已久那這也是對台灣整體來說一個需要去加強識讀跟加強辨識的一個很重要的核心那在電視或電影的放映上在電影上面是有清楚的管制包括一年只有10部包括它的主題有限制等等那但是對於在現在串流平台上面的或對於網際網路上面的這個部分的確也因為在\n\n12\n00:03:57,783 --> 00:04:15,095\n臺灣整體對言論自由保障之下而沒有辦法有其他管制的辦法那至於像這一次對國有器官現場的對安全的恐嚇跟威脅這部分我們大概就是跟警政署做最大的配合只要能夠保障現場的人的安全我們就是維持他繼續放映的權利\n\n13\n00:04:15,762 --> 00:04:35,492\n好特別會要讓這個王政次突然講這個部分就是因為我們其實看到的這就是中國的兩手策略我要請的是警政署其實中國的複合式威脅一手搭一手打一手拉比如說像現在他就透過這個恐嚇威脅的方式讓\n\n14\n00:04:36,793 --> 00:04:54,125\n這一步揭露中國活生生殘忍的過程能夠以紀錄片的方式呈現給國人知道那麼對中國來講這就是一個對他們不好他們不想要的狀況我只問那麼這些恐嚇跟威脅警政署在接受到一定的報案之後你們有能力來維護國家的安全\n\n15\n00:04:59,718 --> 00:05:17,896\n讓這些不論是放映的電影院又或者是來觀賞電影的民眾不會有心生恐懼變成是內心害怕擔心小警總嗎以現在你們目前所接受到的這些報案到底有沒有辦法追到源頭到底有沒有辦法維護到民眾的安全\n\n16\n00:05:18,817 --> 00:05:45,564\n我想我們一定盡全力的來遵辦那目前接受報案的有30件那這30件透過14個國家跳板到我們國內來那事實上我們也有資料顯示其中有一件是來自於大陸地區只有一件來自大陸地區其他的是有在地協力者協助嗎還是說其實是其他國家的人無法追蹤到\n\n17\n00:05:46,363 --> 00:06:15,152\n那因為從14個國家跳板進來那有一些國家他有一些沒有付諸的協定所以我們只是知道說從這個國家跳板過來好來我要問的是我們國安局的張副局長其實因為本期已經是第10個了前面委員大概關注的都差不多其實我只想問這就是一個對中國來講國有器官就是一個灰色作戰不斷威脅台灣的一個成功的案例了成功的模式了\n\n18\n00:06:15,652 --> 00:06:32,299\n未來只要是像這種揭露中國不堪殘暴真相而不想讓台灣民眾看到或者是不想讓台灣的在地協力者可以有機會更囂張更猖狂他就會用這種方式喔\n\n19\n00:06:32,839 --> 00:07:00,266\n就是他在台灣有言論自由所以可以播放但是他用威嚇、恐嚇的方式讓真正想了解真相的人不敢進場再加上因為中國現在的長臂管轄他可以通過其他地方然後來進行引渡如果你在台灣看了你飛到其他國家他有引渡相關的條約的時候他甚至可以無限擴張這種恐嚇請問國安局有想到如何因應嗎是\n\n20\n00:07:01,226 --> 00:07:18,203\n跟委員報告這分幾個部分第一個就是這種手段來恐嚇或者是用這種網路的恐嚇手段這我們用科技手段聯合我們國安團隊來進行查處查處確認了以後我們適度的揭露這種手法\n\n21\n00:07:18,703 --> 00:07:33,059\n第一個就是這種恐嚇多半是虛張聲勢所以我們在國內我們的警察同仁我們的警政署也會加強這相關事件的一個查處同步揭露就是說讓民眾放心\n\n22\n00:07:33,720 --> 00:08:01,175\n我們會盡量做到讓民眾在一個沒有這樣的中共打壓或者是恐嚇的一個情況下持續的來做我們正常的一個運作至於在國外的話這個部分剛剛也跟幾位委員報告過事實上他做了長臂管轄要境外的話事實上涉及到他國的司法管轄權所以即便他有引渡條例大部分的民主國家都排除政治\n\n23\n00:08:01,715 --> 00:08:03,376\n所以這幾個部分就是我們大家同步來努力來確保國人的這方面的安全\n\n24\n00:08:25,369 --> 00:08:28,472\n最後本席跟主席借個30秒想問一下陸委會的省副主委我們知道\n\n25\n00:08:35,407 --> 00:09:03,792\n馬英九他找了一批這個包括馬龍啊、楊倩啊來到台灣那麼他說這是文化交流可是這些人全部都具有中國共產黨的黨員的背景那麼他們甚至於講說因為這個中共共產黨的黨員身份不足為奇那麼這是與民進黨身份人進去大陸一樣請問這一樣嗎?這算不算是另外一種另類的統戰那像這樣的統戰包括這樣的模式陸委會怎麼看?\n\n26\n00:09:04,580 --> 00:09:25,978\n跟委員報告,我們確實有發現到說近期中國大陸來這邊交流的,包含像體育、教育、宗教等等那麼他們的這個背景跟過往相較之下,確實是有越來越特別的地方可能都是經過精心挑選所以針對這樣子的這個樣態,那麼陸委會現在在審查的標準在現行法令規定沒有調整的情況下,我們都還是採用一致性的標準來進行審查\n\n27\n00:09:27,279 --> 00:09:38,254\n但是我們會比較特別在他們在到台灣來之後的一些行程的安排啦或者說也要求他們必須要能夠確保他們跟他們申請的這個內容活動來相符合\n\n28\n00:09:39,188 --> 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種手段來恐嚇或者是用這種網路的恐嚇手段這我們用科技手段聯合我們國安團隊來進行查處查處確認了以後我們適度的揭露這種手法\n第一個就是這種恐嚇多半是虛張聲勢所以我們在國內我們的警察同仁我們的警政署也會加強這相關事件的一個查處同步揭露就是說讓民眾放心\n我們會盡量做到讓民眾在一個沒有這樣的中共打壓或者是恐嚇的一個情況下持續的來做我們正常的一個運作至於在國外的話這個部分剛剛也跟幾位委員報告過事實上他做了長臂管轄要境外的話事實上涉及到他國的司法管轄權所以即便他有引渡條例大部分的民主國家都排除政治\n所以這幾個部分就是我們大家同步來努力來確保國人的這方面的安全\n最後本席跟主席借個30秒想問一下陸委會的省副主委我們知道\n馬英九他找了一批這個包括馬龍啊、楊倩啊來到台灣那麼他說這是文化交流可是這些人全部都具有中國共產黨的黨員的背景那麼他們甚至於講說因為這個中共共產黨的黨員身份不足為奇那麼這是與民進黨身份人進去大陸一樣請問這一樣嗎?這算不算是另外一種另類的統戰那像這樣的統戰包括這樣的模式陸委會怎麼看?\n跟委員報告,我們確實有發現到說近期中國大陸來這邊交流的,包含像體育、教育、宗教等等那麼他們的這個背景跟過往相較之下,確實是有越來越特別的地方可能都是經過精心挑選所以針對這樣子的這個樣態,那麼陸委會現在在審查的標準在現行法令規定沒有調整的情況下,我們都還是採用一致性的標準來進行審查\n但是我們會比較特別在他們在到台灣來之後的一些行程的安排啦或者說也要求他們必須要能夠確保他們跟他們申請的這個內容活動來相符合\n本席很感謝主席今天安排這個題目其實可以看得出來中國對於台灣灰色作戰一手拉一手打另外滲透另外是製造心理的恐慌是全面性的那麼今天在台上的這些相關的部會首長恐怕也要把這樣的案例作為一個中國黑色滲透非常注意觀察的一個模式好嗎?謝謝林楚茵委員各位請回答\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.289 --> 00:09.578\n謝謝主席。主席有請國安局張副局長、文化部王正次、內政部李副署長以及陸委會省副主委。\n\n00:13.920 --> 00:38.711\n副局長同樣的我還是再一次提醒這個所謂不論是黃金之亂還是什麼肅清之亂本席是媒體出來然後又擔任了立法委員我們常常會有機會跟國家重要元首一起出現在同樣一個場合我必須說國安局多數的時候是做到滴水不漏我以前在當電視台主播的時候我們常常進去的時候是被檢查到在安全的隔離區之外我身為立法委員之後\n\n00:39.551 --> 00:46.336\n我也常常還要進行搜身跟安檢但是這一次在所謂的行區裡面雖然說它是個管制區但是我們知道在同樣一個時間還有許多的班機有許多的乘客所以他都是不特定的對象這一次的狀況確實非常離譜我只能這樣講所以希望你們能夠有一個落實的檢討報告但是不要變成後來之後\n\n01:04.210 --> 01:14.956\n一律又變成殺無赦的嚴控該管的沒管到,不該管的管一堆會造成民怨,好嗎?這是我的提醒好,謝謝委員提醒好,謝謝,我要請這個王實施政委王政委,王政次,政次政次是這樣齁,我們都知道這一次我們的國家代表隊也就是我們的這個重要的\n\n01:31.473 --> 01:54.102\n這個棒球英雄他們拿到了這個世界比賽的冠軍那麼在這樣的過程當中很多人都說這如同是一個劇本這個劇本呢編劇來寫都寫得沒這麼精彩我想請問您這樣的一個精彩的劇本如果未來拍成電影或者是紀錄片\n\n01:55.362 --> 01:55.622\n我想中國有他對台灣的審查原則\n\n02:13.786 --> 02:15.647\n對,所以言下之意就是中國對於台灣這兩個字或者是對台灣主體性的相關的東西是避到不能記打壓到不能打壓\n\n02:30.339 --> 02:43.870\n但是有關於中國其實他們不論是現在透過OTT平台又或者是透過抖音又或者是透過其他的網路的媒介即使我們現在常常講說中國的影片要進來台灣都要經過一定的審查或者是審核對一年只有10部\n\n02:49.454 --> 03:12.234\n但是OTT平台當中其實你要看也管不到所以同樣的中國的這種長臂管轄於台灣像我們今天討論的這個國有器官即使他本身是進來在台灣演了但是因為他製造這種所謂灰色地帶的恐懼跟恐慌事實上對他們有利的\n\n03:12.975 --> 03:27.623\n我們沒有辦法去做相關的法規的阻止但是像這種就是揭露中國真相的確實常常會透過其他的方式來侵擾台灣原本應該要有的言論保障對不對\n\n03:28.971 --> 03:56.742\n我想中國利用台灣民主自由的這個特點作為一個他們力量的延伸跟切入點大概由來已久那這也是對台灣整體來說一個需要去加強識讀跟加強辨識的一個很重要的核心那在電視或電影的放映上在電影上面是有清楚的管制包括一年只有10部包括它的主題有限制等等那但是對於在現在串流平台上面的或對於網際網路上面的這個部分的確也因為在\n\n03:57.783 --> 04:15.095\n臺灣整體對言論自由保障之下而沒有辦法有其他管制的辦法那至於像這一次對國有器官現場的對安全的恐嚇跟威脅這部分我們大概就是跟警政署做最大的配合只要能夠保障現場的人的安全我們就是維持他繼續放映的權利\n\n04:15.762 --> 04:35.492\n好特別會要讓這個王政次突然講這個部分就是因為我們其實看到的這就是中國的兩手策略我要請的是警政署其實中國的複合式威脅一手搭一手打一手拉比如說像現在他就透過這個恐嚇威脅的方式讓\n\n04:36.793 --> 04:54.125\n這一步揭露中國活生生殘忍的過程能夠以紀錄片的方式呈現給國人知道那麼對中國來講這就是一個對他們不好他們不想要的狀況我只問那麼這些恐嚇跟威脅警政署在接受到一定的報案之後你們有能力來維護國家的安全\n\n04:59.718 --> 05:17.896\n讓這些不論是放映的電影院又或者是來觀賞電影的民眾不會有心生恐懼變成是內心害怕擔心小警總嗎以現在你們目前所接受到的這些報案到底有沒有辦法追到源頭到底有沒有辦法維護到民眾的安全\n\n05:18.817 --> 05:45.564\n我想我們一定盡全力的來遵辦那目前接受報案的有30件那這30件透過14個國家跳板到我們國內來那事實上我們也有資料顯示其中有一件是來自於大陸地區只有一件來自大陸地區其他的是有在地協力者協助嗎還是說其實是其他國家的人無法追蹤到\n\n05:46.363 --> 06:15.152\n那因為從14個國家跳板進來那有一些國家他有一些沒有付諸的協定所以我們只是知道說從這個國家跳板過來好來我要問的是我們國安局的張副局長其實因為本期已經是第10個了前面委員大概關注的都差不多其實我只想問這就是一個對中國來講國有器官就是一個灰色作戰不斷威脅台灣的一個成功的案例了成功的模式了\n\n06:15.652 --> 06:32.299\n未來只要是像這種揭露中國不堪殘暴真相而不想讓台灣民眾看到或者是不想讓台灣的在地協力者可以有機會更囂張更猖狂他就會用這種方式喔\n\n06:32.839 --> 07:00.266\n就是他在台灣有言論自由所以可以播放但是他用威嚇、恐嚇的方式讓真正想了解真相的人不敢進場再加上因為中國現在的長臂管轄他可以通過其他地方然後來進行引渡如果你在台灣看了你飛到其他國家他有引渡相關的條約的時候他甚至可以無限擴張這種恐嚇請問國安局有想到如何因應嗎是\n\n07:01.226 --> 07:18.203\n跟委員報告這分幾個部分第一個就是這種手段來恐嚇或者是用這種網路的恐嚇手段這我們用科技手段聯合我們國安團隊來進行查處查處確認了以後我們適度的揭露這種手法\n\n07:18.703 --> 07:33.059\n第一個就是這種恐嚇多半是虛張聲勢所以我們在國內我們的警察同仁我們的警政署也會加強這相關事件的一個查處同步揭露就是說讓民眾放心\n\n07:33.720 --> 08:01.175\n我們會盡量做到讓民眾在一個沒有這樣的中共打壓或者是恐嚇的一個情況下持續的來做我們正常的一個運作至於在國外的話這個部分剛剛也跟幾位委員報告過事實上他做了長臂管轄要境外的話事實上涉及到他國的司法管轄權所以即便他有引渡條例大部分的民主國家都排除政治\n\n08:01.715 --> 08:03.376\n所以這幾個部分就是我們大家同步來努力來確保國人的這方面的安全\n\n08:25.369 --> 08:28.472\n最後本席跟主席借個30秒想問一下陸委會的省副主委我們知道\n\n08:35.407 --> 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流平台上面，或對於網際網路的這個部分，的確也因為臺灣整體對言論自由的保障，無法有其他的管制辦法。這一次在「國有器官」現場對安全的恐嚇跟威脅，對於這個部分，我們大概就是跟警政署做最大的配合，只要能夠保障現場人員的安全，我們就是維持它繼續放映的權利。"],["林委員楚茵：好，特別要讓王政次出來講這個部分，就是因為我們看到中國的兩手策略。我要請教警政署，其實中國的複合式威脅──一手打、一手拉，比如像現在他們就是透過這種恐嚇威脅的方式，讓這一部以紀錄片方式揭露中國活生生摘取器官的殘忍過程，能夠呈現給國人知道，對中國來講，這就是一個對他們不好、他們不想要的狀況。對於這些恐嚇跟威脅，我只問警政署在接受到一定的報案之後，你們有能力來維護國家的安全，讓這些不論是放映的電影院，又或者是來觀賞電影的民眾，不會心生恐懼，變成是內心害怕、擔心小警總嗎？以你們目前所接受到的這些報案，到底有沒有辦法追到源頭，有沒有辦法維護民眾的安全？"],["李副署長政曉：我想我們一定盡全力來偵辦。目前接受報案的有30件，這30件是透過14個國家跳板到我們國內，事實上，我們也有資料顯示，其中一件是來自大陸地區，所以我們……"],["林委員楚茵：只有一件來自大陸地區，其他的可有在地協力者協助？還是有其他國家的人無法追蹤到？"],["李副署長政曉：因為是從14個國家跳板進來，有一些國家沒有互助的協定，所以我們只知道是從這個國家跳板過來的。"],["林委員楚茵：我要問國安局張副局長，因為本席已經是第十個發言的委員，前面委員大概關注的都差不多。其實對中國來講，「國有器官」就是一個灰色作戰，不斷威脅臺灣的一個成功的案例、成功的模式；未來只要像這種揭露中國不堪的殘暴真相，不想讓臺灣民眾看到，或者不想讓臺灣的在地協力者可以有機會更囂張、更猖狂，他們就用這種方式。因為在臺灣有言論自由，可以播放，所以他們就用威嚇、恐嚇的方式，讓真正想了解真相的人不敢進場；再加上中國現在的長臂管轄，他們可以透過其他地方，來進行引渡，如果你在臺灣看了，你飛到其他國家，他有引渡相關條約的時候，他甚至可以無限擴張這種恐嚇。請問國安局有想到如何因應嗎？"],["張副局長元斌：是，跟委員報告，這分幾個部分，第一個就是用這種手段來恐嚇，或者是用網路的恐嚇手段，我們會用科技手段聯合我們國安團隊來進行查處，查處確認後，也會適度地揭露這種手法；第二個就是這種恐嚇多半是虛張聲勢，所以在國內，我們的警察同仁和警政署也會加強相關事件的查處，並同步揭露；也就是讓民眾放心，我們會儘量做到讓民眾在一個沒有中共打壓或者是恐嚇，這樣的一個情況下，持續來正常運作。至於國外的部分，剛剛也跟幾位委員報告過，事實上，他在境外做長臂管轄的話，也將涉及到他國的司法管轄權，所以，即便他有引渡條例，大部分的民主國家都排除政治意義這個條款。所以根據這種意識形態所制定的，事實上很多國家是不會同意的，而且很多我們的友盟，也主張臺海和穩的重要性，不希望片面改變現狀。所以這幾個部分，我們大家同步來努力，確保國人這方面的安全。"],["林委員楚茵：本席最後要跟主席借個30秒，想問一下陸委會沈副主委，我們知道，馬英九找了一批包括馬龍、楊倩來到臺灣，他說這是文化交流，可是這些人全都具有中國共產黨黨員的背景，他們甚至說，中共共產黨的黨員身分不足為奇，這是與有民進黨身分的人進去大陸一樣，請問這一樣嗎？這算不算另外一種、另類的統戰？像這樣的統戰，包括這樣的模式，陸委會怎麼看？"],["沈副主任委員有忠：跟委員報告，我們確實有發現到，近期中國大陸來這邊交流的，包含像體育、教育、宗教等等，他們的這個背景跟過往相較之下，有越來越特別的地方，可能都是經過精心挑選。針對這樣的樣態，陸委會現在審查的標準，在現行法令規定沒有調整的情況下，我們都還是採用一致性的標準來進行審查；但是我們也會特別留意他們到臺灣之後一些行程的安排，也要求他們必須確保他們跟他們申請的這個內容活動相符合。"],["林委員楚茵：本席很感謝主席今天安排這個題目，其實可以看得出來中國對臺灣的灰色作戰──一手拉、一手打，另外滲透，另外是製造心理的恐慌，是全面性的。今天在臺上的這些相關部會首長，也要把這樣的案例，作為中國黑色滲透，非常需要注意觀察的一個模式，好嗎？謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝林楚茵委員，各位請回座。","接下來發言的委員是羅智強委員、羅智強委員、羅智強委員不在。","吳思瑤委員、吳思瑤委員、吳思瑤委員不在。","蘇清泉委員、蘇清泉委員、蘇清泉委員不在。","徐欣瑩委員、徐欣瑩委員、徐欣瑩委員不在。","鍾佳濱委員、鍾佳濱委員、鍾佳濱委員不在。","鄭正鈐委員、鄭正鈐委員、鄭正鈐委員不在。","葉元之委員、葉元之委員、葉元之委員不在。","洪孟楷委員、洪孟楷委員、洪孟楷委員不在。","已登記質詢委員除不在場外，均已發言完畢。報告及詢答結束。本日會議有羅智強委員提出書面質詢，請列入紀錄，並刊登公報，請相關機關以書面於兩週內答復。委員口頭質詢未及答復部分或要求補充資料者，亦請相關單位以書面於兩週內提供，委員另約定期限者，從其所定。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":244,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-35-18","speakers":["王定宇","沈伯洋","羅美玲","黃仁","徐巧芯","陳冠廷","林憶君","楊瓊瓔","馬文君","林楚茵","羅智強"],"page_start":211,"meetingDate":["2024-11-27"],"gazette_id":"11310501","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11310501_00009"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第18次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請國家安全局、文化部、內政部警政署、大陸委員會報告「從『國有器官』在台播映困境看中\n國對台灣的長臂管轄策略，及我國的因應方案」，並備質詢","agenda_id":"11310501_00011"}}}