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00:01:40,423\n但是沒有人算,到時候有人衝上來吧。現場有做兩次的場刊,然後跟這個國安特勤也好,或者是跟體育署也好,那甚至我有請淘氣公司也要會同這個職棒聯盟職棒聯盟的部分他們的意見都要納入,那現場其實確實是有做會刊的動作,那當時在當天\n\n6\n00:01:41,983 --> 00:01:49,207\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單六、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n\n7\n00:02:20,965 --> 00:02:24,246\n五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、審查114年度\n\n8\n00:02:48,775 --> 00:02:50,317\n附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單\n\n9\n00:03:09,477 --> 00:03:10,198\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案\n\n10\n00:03:33,353 --> 00:03:36,856\n兩、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單兩、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n\n11\n00:03:47,085 --> 00:04:15,671\n也是這個數字每年大約就是三千人左右上下幾乎沒有什麼改變就是死亡人數110年、111年、112年所以為什麼今天要先提這個數字因為既然我們現在很注重人本交通交通部也編列了這麼多預算也特別匡列出來有一個項目是針對人本交通的部分那到底要做什麼事情我們看一下上上禮拜我覺得有一個這個我想交通委員會不分黨派了這個林耀憲委員上禮拜提的部分我也先呼應他一下\n\n12\n00:04:16,840 --> 00:04:35,791\n包括行人感應式照明或行人穿越線後要有一些告示牌及路燈指示。我想大家常常出國考察,我們出國不管去歐洲也好,去韓國也好,去東南亞也好,很多國家針對行人的部分他們都有相關的法規。\n\n13\n00:04:37,653 --> 00:04:59,895\n厲我這個特別也看拿出臺中市政府之前辦的這感應式照明的舉例這行穿線上有特別有特別的亮燈跟特別的這個指示燈讓行人也覺得怎麼安全那開車的人也開得到所以這些部分我想問一下部長我們在明年的所謂的人本價值的部分有沒有把這種法令或是相關的規範能夠放到全國去還是\n\n14\n00:05:00,936 --> 00:05:26,994\n按照現在的方式來做而已報告員您所說的這個齁您所指的這一點其實我認為非常非常重要啦齁在行穿線的過程當中如果它的亮度可以特別比其他的道路再更亮一點我相信駕駛人或者是騎士齁騎車的騎士們大家會更能夠清楚看到有沒有行人通過所以這個部分交通部會來積極來推動那包含修法的部分我們應該在明年明年初應該就可以來完成吧要會進行檢討\n\n15\n00:05:28,035 --> 00:05:29,256\n五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n\n16\n00:05:48,351 --> 00:06:13,280\n法規上應該都要明確的有一個數字出來而不是讓各縣政府因為現在變成是各縣政府各行其事自己做自己的那當然會有時候還是會有爭議嘛那麼當然說交通部你們掌管全國的交通而且我們看到剛剛的數字每年都因為交通事故死這麼多人而且死傷總和是一直往上漲的情況下面應該好好來處理這個事情好不好同樣的一樣回到人行一樣是這個人本交通看到人行道的部分\n\n17\n00:06:15,026 --> 00:06:29,857\nadequate我們也花了很多錢去推動人們交通也做了非常多人行道的更新那我們看到這個是剛好是我最近收到一個澄清案人行道雖然已經鋪設了然後把它變寬了但是人行道變多會有這個問題就是電箱\n\n18\n00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:37,103\n：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n19\n00:06:55,194 --> 00:07:21,984\n有沒有辦法或是有沒有預算乾脆這種遷移電箱的錢也乾脆編在這裡面就好了報告委員我們目前的這個規劃裡面只要是地方政府跟我們申請的過程當中我們都會希望他把這個納入那經費的部分的補助我們也應該都會有補助這個沒有問題但是管線遷移的部分都會納入但是地方政府在申請的過程當中其實他要先提出來請他先提出來那這個部分我們都會納進來沒有問題所以部長我確認一下\n\n20\n00:07:24,065 --> 00:07:48,631\n像這種電箱遷移在做新的人行道的時候,包含這個除了工程面之外,像電箱遷移的錢也可以編在這個預算裡面嗎?可以,它可以編在預算裡面,我們會來做補助。好,部長謝謝,因為這個才是真的解決這個問題啦。我們這個部分吼,我們會支持地方的預算,那另外我們也會跟台電一起來合作,來做這方面的工作。\n\n21\n00:07:50,111 --> 00:08:18,076\nbedingt講到台電每次都是這個問題就台電會跟你說他沒錢所以常常就遇到這個問題比較常的問題是他找不到地方找不到地方找不到地方是一個問題啦沒錢是一個問題啦所以我才想說至少先把錢解決啦那地方大家可以來協調嘛好不好是好那繼續齁一樣還是我還是很注重我們只要講人本交通部分啦這個緩速波其實在人本交通規劃手冊裡面有把這種減速波的各項的比較優缺點來放進去但是依照現在的現行的狀況\n\n22\n00:08:19,096 --> 00:08:26,088\n各道路其實基本上對這種減速坡好像也沒有硬性規定。這個是只有規範但是沒有硬性規定吧。\n\n23\n00:08:27,425 --> 00:08:53,466\n什麼地方該放減速波因為其實包含說我們之前討論到了這個假車牌的問題有很多他除了犯罪之外很多人假車牌他不用假車牌被扣車的原因就是差超速因為我們道路就是這樣子嘛就他除了有些地方會有車速障礙之外很多地方很好開他就很容易超速那超速之後那當然就會收到罰單那罰單他被破腳牌照他就做個假車牌這個是一個因果關係那我們今天要回到\n\n24\n00:08:54,207 --> 00:08:57,010\n兩、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單兩、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n\n25\n00:09:18,391 --> 00:09:45,100\n是不是就是規範而已並沒有說什麼地方應該放什麼地方不該放我不知道部長在這個事情上面立場上面你未來要不要推動還是說就是按照現在這樣子各地方政府想裝就裝想過就做。委員標誌標線的部分我們會比較有強制的部分那這個部分我們做規範的部分也在做檢討當中我覺得委員這個建議很好就是有些地方是不是應該要做減速波我們要一個標準出來讓地方可以去依循\n\n26\n00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:54,345\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單六、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n\n27\n00:10:07,714 --> 00:10:08,815\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案\n\n28\n00:10:18,712 --> 00:10:19,512\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n29\n00:10:43,200 --> 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助這個沒有問題但是管線遷移的部分都會納入但是地方政府在申請的過程當中其實他要先提出來請他先提出來那這個部分我們都會納進來沒有問題所以部長我確認一下\n像這種電箱遷移在做新的人行道的時候,包含這個除了工程面之外,像電箱遷移的錢也可以編在這個預算裡面嗎?可以,它可以編在預算裡面,我們會來做補助。好,部長謝謝,因為這個才是真的解決這個問題啦。我們這個部分吼,我們會支持地方的預算,那另外我們也會跟台電一起來合作,來做這方面的工作。\nbedingt講到台電每次都是這個問題就台電會跟你說他沒錢所以常常就遇到這個問題比較常的問題是他找不到地方找不到地方找不到地方是一個問題啦沒錢是一個問題啦所以我才想說至少先把錢解決啦那地方大家可以來協調嘛好不好是好那繼續齁一樣還是我還是很注重我們只要講人本交通部分啦這個緩速波其實在人本交通規劃手冊裡面有把這種減速波的各項的比較優缺點來放進去但是依照現在的現行的狀況\n各道路其實基本上對這種減速坡好像也沒有硬性規定。這個是只有規範但是沒有硬性規定吧。\n什麼地方該放減速波因為其實包含說我們之前討論到了這個假車牌的問題有很多他除了犯罪之外很多人假車牌他不用假車牌被扣車的原因就是差超速因為我們道路就是這樣子嘛就他除了有些地方會有車速障礙之外很多地方很好開他就很容易超速那超速之後那當然就會收到罰單那罰單他被破腳牌照他就做個假車牌這個是一個因果關係那我們今天要回到\n兩、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單兩、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n是不是就是規範而已並沒有說什麼地方應該放什麼地方不該放我不知道部長在這個事情上面立場上面你未來要不要推動還是說就是按照現在這樣子各地方政府想裝就裝想過就做。委員標誌標線的部分我們會比較有強制的部分那這個部分我們做規範的部分也在做檢討當中我覺得委員這個建議很好就是有些地方是不是應該要做減速波我們要一個標準出來讓地方可以去依循\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單六、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n包括多少坡度多少設計我希望能夠有法令很明確的把它放進去而不是變成只有建議性質尤其是我們看到一開始那張圖我們每年的死亡人數因為交通事故的死傷人數逐年上漲的情況下我們希望部長能夠把這件事情做好這個我們正在檢討我們會把委員的意見納入謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.261 --> 00:04.790\n好,謝謝主席。主席我們先請交通部陳部長。請陳部長。\n\n00:15.510 --> 00:16.451\n總經理回答基本上來講是各單位都有分工\n\n00:41.550 --> 01:02.187\n我想既然要檢討,各單位都要檢討啦,那當然你們是因為在淘機發生,你們當然會變成這個主要的泡沫。地點在機場。地點在機場嘛,所以一定會有這個問題嘛。但是我必須講,很多網友,包含我自己在那第一天看到了,我想最主要的責任,如果你們真的要檢討的話,國安局有責任啦。那些人怎麼會突然跑到副總統身邊拍照勒?\n\n01:04.904 --> 01:20.296\n事情有規劃嘛,事前規劃說一定有所謂國安局的動線嘛,你們淘機也配合嘛,交通部也配合嘛,大家都配合。我想士凱部長你也服選過這個相關的一些經驗喔,如果今天總統副總統要到場,我想這個事前的敞開一定會非常嚴密。\n\n01:21.036 --> 01:40.423\n但是沒有人算,到時候有人衝上來吧。現場有做兩次的場刊,然後跟這個國安特勤也好,或者是跟體育署也好,那甚至我有請淘氣公司也要會同這個職棒聯盟職棒聯盟的部分他們的意見都要納入,那現場其實確實是有做會刊的動作,那當時在當天\n\n01:41.983 --> 01:49.207\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單六、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n\n02:20.965 --> 02:24.246\n五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單五、審查114年度\n\n02:48.775 --> 02:50.317\n附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單\n\n03:09.477 --> 03:10.198\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案\n\n03:33.353 --> 03:36.856\n兩、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單兩、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n\n03:47.085 --> 04:15.671\n也是這個數字每年大約就是三千人左右上下幾乎沒有什麼改變就是死亡人數110年、111年、112年所以為什麼今天要先提這個數字因為既然我們現在很注重人本交通交通部也編列了這麼多預算也特別匡列出來有一個項目是針對人本交通的部分那到底要做什麼事情我們看一下上上禮拜我覺得有一個這個我想交通委員會不分黨派了這個林耀憲委員上禮拜提的部分我也先呼應他一下\n\n04:16.840 --> 04:35.791\n包括行人感應式照明或行人穿越線後要有一些告示牌及路燈指示。我想大家常常出國考察,我們出國不管去歐洲也好,去韓國也好,去東南亞也好,很多國家針對行人的部分他們都有相關的法規。\n\n04:37.653 --> 04:59.895\n厲我這個特別也看拿出臺中市政府之前辦的這感應式照明的舉例這行穿線上有特別有特別的亮燈跟特別的這個指示燈讓行人也覺得怎麼安全那開車的人也開得到所以這些部分我想問一下部長我們在明年的所謂的人本價值的部分有沒有把這種法令或是相關的規範能夠放到全國去還是\n\n05:00.936 --> 05:26.994\n按照現在的方式來做而已報告員您所說的這個齁您所指的這一點其實我認為非常非常重要啦齁在行穿線的過程當中如果它的亮度可以特別比其他的道路再更亮一點我相信駕駛人或者是騎士齁騎車的騎士們大家會更能夠清楚看到有沒有行人通過所以這個部分交通部會來積極來推動那包含修法的部分我們應該在明年明年初應該就可以來完成吧要會進行檢討\n\n05:28.035 --> 05:29.256\n五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單\n\n05:48.351 --> 06:13.280\n法規上應該都要明確的有一個數字出來而不是讓各縣政府因為現在變成是各縣政府各行其事自己做自己的那當然會有時候還是會有爭議嘛那麼當然說交通部你們掌管全國的交通而且我們看到剛剛的數字每年都因為交通事故死這麼多人而且死傷總和是一直往上漲的情況下面應該好好來處理這個事情好不好同樣的一樣回到人行一樣是這個人本交通看到人行道的部分\n\n06:15.026 --> 06:29.857\nadequate我們也花了很多錢去推動人們交通也做了非常多人行道的更新那我們看到這個是剛好是我最近收到一個澄清案人行道雖然已經鋪設了然後把它變寬了但是人行道變多會有這個問題就是電箱\n\n06:31.440 --> 06:37.103\n：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n06:55.194 --> 07:21.984\n有沒有辦法或是有沒有預算乾脆這種遷移電箱的錢也乾脆編在這裡面就好了報告委員我們目前的這個規劃裡面只要是地方政府跟我們申請的過程當中我們都會希望他把這個納入那經費的部分的補助我們也應該都會有補助這個沒有問題但是管線遷移的部分都會納入但是地方政府在申請的過程當中其實他要先提出來請他先提出來那這個部分我們都會納進來沒有問題所以部長我確認一下\n\n07:24.065 --> 07:48.631\n像這種電箱遷移在做新的人行道的時候,包含這個除了工程面之外,像電箱遷移的錢也可以編在這個預算裡面嗎?可以,它可以編在預算裡面,我們會來做補助。好,部長謝謝,因為這個才是真的解決這個問題啦。我們這個部分吼,我們會支持地方的預算,那另外我們也會跟台電一起來合作,來做這方面的工作。\n\n07:50.111 --> 08:18.076\nbedingt講到台電每次都是這個問題就台電會跟你說他沒錢所以常常就遇到這個問題比較常的問題是他找不到地方找不到地方找不到地方是一個問題啦沒錢是一個問題啦所以我才想說至少先把錢解決啦那地方大家可以來協調嘛好不好是好那繼續齁一樣還是我還是很注重我們只要講人本交通部分啦這個緩速波其實在人本交通規劃手冊裡面有把這種減速波的各項的比較優缺點來放進去但是依照現在的現行的狀況\n\n08:19.096 --> 08:26.088\n各道路其實基本上對這種減速坡好像也沒有硬性規定。這個是只有規範但是沒有硬性規定吧。\n\n08:27.425 --> 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，你們可能就沒有主導權了，這部分我覺得還是要幫我們桃機說點話，好不好？"],["陳部長世凱：謝謝委員。"],["黃委員健豪：桃機請回，我們繼續針對今天的主題，有關今天預算部分，部長報告六大施政重點的編列情形，其中有關落實運輸安全跟人本價值的部分，編列占比是31.19%，等於是六大施政目標裡面最大一部分占了31.19%，主要在談人本交通，當然其中真正落實以人為本的部分，因為鐵道占很多啦！但這以人為本編列的5億1,700元，大概比例來講，沒有像本來想像的那麼高，但是的確也確實應該要重視人本交通部分。","我們看一下，近年來全國歷年死傷人數跟全國歷年死傷人數的行人部分，你看歷年死傷人數是逐年上漲喔！是真的一直往上跑，這個線圖是往上跑，行人死傷人數整個趨勢也是往上跑，近3年來死亡人數也是這個數字，每年大約就是3,000人左右上下，幾乎沒有什麼改變，就死亡人數，110年、111年、112年，所以為什麼我今天要先提這個數字，因為既然我們現在很注重人本交通，交通部也編列了這麼多預算，也特別匡列出一個項目是針對人本交通的部分，那到底要做什麼事情，我們看一下。","我想交通委員會是不分黨派，林俊憲委員上禮拜提的部分，我也是呼應他一下，包含行人的感應式照明，或包含行人穿越線的時候，要有一些告示牌跟特別的路燈指示，大家常常出國考察，我們出國，不管去歐洲也好，去韓國也好，去東南亞也好，很多國家針對行人的部分，它們都有相關的法規，我特別也拿出臺中市政府之前辦的感應式照明來舉例，行穿線上有特別的亮燈跟特別的指示燈，讓行人也覺得走的安全，開車的人也看得到，所以這些部分，我想問一下部長，我們在明年所謂人本價值的部分，有沒有把這種法令或者是相關的規範能夠放到全國去，還是按照現在的方式來做而已？"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，您所說的這個，你所指的這一點，其實我認為非常非常重要，在行穿線的過程當中，如果它的亮度可以特別比其他的道路再更亮一點，我相信駕駛人或者是騎車的騎士們，大家會更能夠清楚看到有沒有行人通過，所以這個部分交通部會積極來推動，包含修法的部分，我們應該在明年初應該就可以來完成吧！我們會進行檢討。"],["黃委員健豪：因為我們希望是說……"],["陳部長世凱：我們會納入我們法規裡面，希望各個縣市都要照這樣的方式來辦理。"],["黃委員健豪：因為我想這樣，現在是試辦，比如臺中市試辦，各縣市可能自己試辦，包含行穿線怎麼設計、燈放在哪裡、黃燈還是白燈、流明度多少、照明度多少，這個我覺得規範、法規上應該都要明確地有一個數字出來，而不是讓各縣市政府……因為現在變成是各縣市政府各行其事，自己做自己的，當然有時候還是會有爭議嘛！我們當然希望交通部你們掌管全國的交通，而且我們看到剛剛的數字，每年都因為交通事故死這麼多人，而且死傷總和是一直往上漲的情況下面，應該好好來處理這個事好不好？"],["陳部長世凱：好。"],["黃委員健豪：好，同樣的，一樣是這個人本交通，我看到人行道的部分，我想這一、兩年的確我們也花了很多錢去推動人本交通，也做了非常多人行道的更新，我們看到這個剛好是我最近收到一個陳情案，人行道雖然已經鋪設了，然後把它變寬了，但是人行道裡面都會有這個問題，就是電箱，有的是台電的，有的是中華電信的，很明顯就是以這個案例為例，政府已經編錢了，然後也確實要拓寬人行道，你從圖上看的很明顯，拓寬之後，它的電箱一樣在中間，你的輪椅跟嬰兒車一樣沒有辦法通過這段路段，所以未來在編列這種人行道預算的時候，除了做工程面之外，有沒有辦法或是有沒有預算，乾脆遷移電箱的錢也編列在這裡面就好了？"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，我們目前的規劃裡面，只要是地方政府跟我們申請的過程當中，我們都會希望它把這個納入，經費部分的補助，我們也應該都會有補助，這個沒有問題，管線遷移的部分都會納入，但是地方政府在申請的過程當中，其實它要先提出來，請它先提出來，這個部分我們都會納進來，沒有問題。"],["黃委員健豪：所以部長，我確認一下，像這種電箱遷移，在做新的人行道的時候，除了工程面之外，像電箱遷移的錢，也可以編在這個預算裡面嗎？"],["陳部長世凱：可以，它可以邊在預算裡面，我們會來做補助。"],["黃委員健豪：好，部長，謝謝，這個才是真的解決這個問題啦！"],["陳部長世凱：是，我們這個部分會支持地方的預算，另外，我們也會跟台電一起合作來做這方面的工作。"],["黃委員健豪：最近講到台電，每次都是這個問題，就是台電會跟你說它沒錢，所以常常就遇到這個問題。"],["陳部長世凱：比較常的問題是它找不到地方。"],["黃委員健豪：找不到地方是一個問題啦！沒錢也是一個問題啦！所以我才想說至少先把錢解決啦！地方大家可以來協調嘛！好不好？"],["陳部長世凱：是。"],["黃委員健豪：好，繼續，一樣我還是很注重，還是要講人本交通部分，緩速坡其實在人本交通規劃手冊裡面，有把這種減速坡各項的比較、優缺點放進去，但是依照現行的狀況，道路其實基本上對於這種減速坡好像也沒有硬性規定。"],["陳部長世凱：這個是只有規範，但是沒有硬性規定。"],["黃委員健豪：什麼地方應該放減速坡？因為其實包含我們之前討論到假車牌的問題，有很多除了犯罪之外，很多人會用假車牌，被扣車的原因就是他超速，因為我們的道路就是這樣子嘛！除了有些地方會有測速照相之外，很多地方很好開，就很容易超速，超速之後，當然就會收到罰單，他被扣繳牌照之後，他就去做個假車牌，這個是一個因果關係。我們今天要回到政策執行面的時候，我們希望像這種緩速坡部分，不管是馬來西亞也好，或者是最近去韓國也好，都會看到它們在很多重要路口，或者是大路口，或是社區路口，都會放很多的減速丘跟減速坡或減速平台，它都有相關法令的規範，多少的坡度、多少的速度可以減緩多少速度？雖然我們有這個規範，但是在目前為止，是不是就是規範而已？並沒有說什麼地方應該放、什麼地方不該放，我不知道部長，在這個事情上面、立場上面，你未來要不要推動，還是說就是按照現在這樣子，各地方政府想裝就裝、想做就做？"],["陳部長世凱：報告委員，標誌、標線我們會比較有強制的部分，這個部分，我們做規範的部分也在做檢討當中，我覺得委員這個建議很好，就是有些地方是不是應該要做減速波，我們要一個標準出來，讓地方可以去依循，依照那個去依循，哪些地方是需要減速坡的，哪些地方是不需要，但這個可能還需要一個試辦的過程，整個過程當中還是要試辦一下，因為我所知道我們在臺灣有一些地方政府只要提試辦計畫，我們就會來協助啦！"],["黃委員健豪：我們希望它能夠試辦的地方能夠多一點啦！尤其是你也當過議員，你很清楚，很多地方小巷口也要裝紅綠燈，為什麼？就是怕車子撞到人，或是怕大家闖紅燈，或是怕大家晚上開太快嘛！但是科學上，裝太多紅綠燈的確也會造成整個行車效率的低落，是不是透過減速丘或減速坡的方式，他必須慢下來的時候，也不一定要裝紅綠燈啊！他的車速就會變慢嘛！他變慢，自然就比較有機會看到行人，要不然在這種小巷道裡面裝了這麼多紅綠燈，他真的開快，他照樣闖紅燈，一樣會造成事故傷亡跟死亡，所以這部分我覺得減速丘跟減速坡這種概念，包含多少坡度、多少設計，我希望能夠有法令很明確地把它放進去，而不是變成只有建議性質，尤其是我們看到一開始的那張圖，我們每年的死亡人數，因為交通事故的死傷人數逐年上漲的情況下，我們希望部長能夠把這個事情做好。"],["陳部長世凱：好，這個我們正在檢討，我們會把委員的意見納入，謝謝委員。"],["黃委員健豪：好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝黃健豪委員。","接下來邀請廖先翔委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":390,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-23-11","speakers":["陳素月","林沛祥","林俊憲","林國成","許智傑","何欣純","黃健豪","廖先翔","游顥","徐富癸","蔡其昌","邱若華","魯明哲","陳培瑜","黃國昌","麥玉珍","李昆澤","吳宗憲","楊瓊瓔","涂權吉","葉元之","陳雪生","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","洪孟楷","陳冠廷","林月琴","陳俊宇","林倩綺","王鴻薇","羅智強","張雅琳"],"page_start":309,"meetingDate":["2024-11-27"],"gazette_id":"11310501","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11310501_00011"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第11次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部單位預算；二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關\n於交通部中央氣象署單位預算；三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部公路局及所屬單\n位預算；四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業\n基金─國道公路建設管理基金分預算（僅進行詢答）","agenda_id":"11310501_00013"}}}