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00:00:27,909\n議員質詢好謝謝主席那我們是不是有請部長請郭部長那以及商業發展署署長產業發展署現在是署長請商業署長然後還有中小及企業新創企業署企業署長\n\n2\n00:00:33,683 --> 00:01:01,818\n委員好部長好部長那我今天在要質詢那我同時也希望這三個單位這個我們經濟部所詳這三個署那因為我我一直在疑惑那我們經濟部這樣做不同的署但是就人民來說他們一旦遇到需要經濟部要做一些對接的時候會怎麼做\n\n3\n00:01:04,532 --> 00:01:24,264\n到底哪一些屬於商業發展哪一些屬於產業發展又哪一些屬於中小級新創企業我就比一個例子如果今天是包裝機的協會或者是工具機的協會他們要邀請國際的廠商都來台灣然後來舉辦在我們的世貿來舉辦策展\n\n4\n00:01:33,329 --> 00:01:52,693\n那我們當然是希望經濟部來協助他們包括說場地啦包括很多事情都需要經濟部協助那這樣的一個包裝機的一個協會他是要找中小企業署還是要找產業發展署還是商業發展署應該是貿易署應該要貿易署因為他是國際貿易那就是貿易署所以這樣起來不是很難嗎\n\n5\n00:02:00,234 --> 00:02:18,154\n我如果是說一個產業來講我想就是到我們的這個產業發展署那如果是它的形態它是屬於中小企業也可以透過中小企業發展署那如果是外國的廠商我們建議就走國貿署這樣子\n\n6\n00:02:18,957 --> 00:02:21,759\n經濟部確實非常大,這裡面重疊的部分也有,但是我們會透過次長在協調這些事務。\n\n7\n00:02:37,031 --> 00:02:56,317\n非常多複雜那那從山上到海邊都是經濟管的當然是很很大嗎那我現在是站在說好真正中小企業遇到協助的時候那我我再問一個例子嗎好像最在幾個月前有推出的深層的節能的一個計畫是那要推動了因為要因為要這個淨零碳排要\n\n8\n00:02:59,438 --> 00:02:59,478\n蔡易餘\n\n9\n00:03:16,948 --> 00:03:41,607\n發言委員能源署當然是負責整個EXCO方案那要執行落實我們就是分開了如果是製造業我們再到產發署去如果是服務業的話我們再到上發署去不一樣的對象但是我們的目的就是說如何去我們現在的做法是建立一個標準建立一個模型\n\n10\n00:03:42,688 --> 00:03:44,609\n中小企業能夠全力發展深度節能\n\n11\n00:03:59,125 --> 00:04:25,306\n部長說大概有一些脈絡,那我想要請教還是一樣在中小企業事實上我已經很多次的跟部長去說事實上台灣現在如果是在高科技公司他們的發展很好但是中小企業以現在來說確實很多產業是屬於寒冬的狀況比方說像鋼鐵業像螺絲業那尤其算一些傳統的\n\n12\n00:04:27,027 --> 00:04:48,977\n的一些服務業事實上他們現在基本上狀況是不好的那我之前有跟部長講過我們在這一次台電的這個電價這個就是還漲的一個標準來說事實上我們對中小企業我們都是用今年做指標但是如果像鋼鐵或是螺絲他們可能從烏俄戰爭戰爭後\n\n13\n00:04:51,238 --> 00:04:51,878\n蔡易餘委員：蔡易餘委員．蔡易餘委員\n\n14\n00:05:09,484 --> 00:05:28,791\n對,那部長那針對這部分,你們現在要怎麼樣去協助像這些產業,平常他們很有競爭力,那遇到這樣一個景氣的一個寒冬的時候,那要不要協助他們渡過這個難關?第一個我們想到的是說,按照他現在的產業如何讓他能夠轉型、加值化。\n\n15\n00:05:30,126 --> 00:05:30,466\n蔡易餘發言委員\n\n16\n00:05:49,969 --> 00:06:14,918\n然後整理資訊來協助他但是因為他可能是很小的公司或者微型的企業所以我們會透過他的他整個的供應鏈的這個關係部長我現在你也知道像這樣的微型的供應鏈可是很多都是隱藏隱形冠軍嘛他可能像螺絲他只是做一個部分的一個螺絲的一個齁其中的一個小配件去行銷全世界\n\n17\n00:06:15,798 --> 00:06:22,509\n所以事實上他們的競爭力是有的他們只是遇到產業循環的時候會遇到他們辛苦的時候所以我們會透過技術的成長我們會有金屬中心然後會有生產力中心我們會透過論壇\n\n18\n00:06:30,842 --> 00:06:41,908\n然後把buyer把這個購買的這個廠家國外的廠家邀請進來臺灣然後透過論壇發表技術然後讓我們這中小微企業都能夠進到這個購買的這個程序然後我們來這個整合跟這個這個購買的這個公司從供應鏈開始幫他解決這個問題所以我們相信透過這個高質化\n\n19\n00:06:55,836 --> 00:07:20,727\n然後再來我們就幫他因為整合以後供應鏈整合以後會讓他降低成本降低這個所謂配送的成本機會成本運送的成本來降低他的這個成本以後增加他的這個競爭力我相信我們透過整合以後把臺灣發展成適合在國內發展的產業跟適合做國外這個出口的這個產業那這樣子的話我想對他們來講幫助就會比較大\n\n20\n00:07:25,649 --> 00:07:42,725\n那我想保證這部分就是要在現在他們需要到三天我想保證剛才說的這些當然我們沒辦法協助他們最實際的至少我們要把一些方向給他們因為他們開始這些產業現在是很辛苦的好不好我們會透過這個\n\n21\n00:07:45,772 --> 00:07:46,773\n還有部長我覺得事實上現在也要關注一個議題\n\n22\n00:08:14,605 --> 00:08:38,540\n我們看到日韓現在對於所謂移工的政策是大幅的放寬所以現在全世界都在搶人才這個人才也許不只是白領甚至藍領的人才事實上全世界都在搶我覺得台灣要正視這個問題因為台灣過去一直被說成是說在很多公司我們賣書是會替世界會替日本跟韓國會訓練人\n\n23\n00:08:41,042 --> 00:08:43,665\n阿我們人家12單位這些人就離開阿技術已經有阿阿人就跑了阿這個都對於我們的產業是屬於不利的所以我們未來到底有沒有更進步的移工的一個政策\n\n24\n00:08:56,198 --> 00:08:56,558\n蔡易餘蔡易餘\n\n25\n00:09:17,145 --> 00:09:17,325\n蔡英文議員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n12418\t27909\t議員質詢好 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這些人就離開阿技術已經有阿 阿人就跑了阿這個都對於我們的產業是屬於不利的所以我們未來到底有沒有更進步的移工的一個政策\n536198\t536558\t蔡易餘 蔡易餘\n557145\t557325\t蔡英文議員\n","txt":"議員質詢好 謝謝主席那我們是不是有請部長請郭部長那以及商業發展署署長產業發展署現在是署長請商業署長然後還有中小及企業新創企業署企業署長\n委員好部長好部長那我今天在要質詢那我同時也希望這三個單位這個我們經濟部所詳這三個署那因為我我一直在疑惑那我們經濟部這樣做不同的署但是就人民來說他們一旦遇到需要經濟部要做一些對接的時候會怎麼做\n到底哪一些屬於商業發展哪一些屬於產業發展又哪一些屬於中小級新創企業我就比一個例子如果今天是包裝機的協會或者是工具機的協會他們要邀請國際的廠商都來台灣然後來舉辦在我們的世貿來舉辦策展\n那我們當然是希望經濟部來協助他們包括說場地啦包括很多事情都需要經濟部協助那這樣的一個包裝機的一個協會他是要找中小企業署還是要找產業發展署還是商業發展署應該是貿易署應該要貿易署因為他是國際貿易那就是貿易署所以這樣起來不是很難嗎\n我如果是說一個產業來講我想就是到我們的這個產業發展署那如果是它的形態它是屬於中小企業也可以透過中小企業發展署那如果是外國的廠商我們建議就走國貿署這樣子\n經濟部確實非常大,這裡面重疊的部分也有,但是我們會透過次長在協調這些事務。\n非常多複雜那那從山上到海邊都是經濟管的當然是很很大嗎那我現在是站在說好真正中小企業遇到協助的時候那我我再問一個例子嗎好像最在幾個月前有推出的深層的節能的一個計畫是那要推動了因為要因為要這個淨零碳排要\n蔡易餘\n發言委員能源署當然是負責整個EXCO方案那要執行落實我們就是分開了如果是製造業我們再到產發署去如果是服務業的話我們再到上發署去不一樣的對象但是我們的目的就是說如何去我們現在的做法是建立一個標準建立一個模型\n中小企業能夠全力發展深度節能\n部長說大概有一些脈絡,那我想要請教還是一樣在中小企業事實上我已經很多次的跟部長去說事實上台灣現在如果是在高科技公司他們的發展很好但是中小企業以現在來說確實很多產業是屬於寒冬的狀況比方說像鋼鐵業像螺絲業那尤其算一些傳統的\n的一些服務業事實上他們現在基本上狀況是不好的那我之前有跟部長講過我們在這一次台電的這個電價這個就是還漲的一個標準來說事實上我們對中小企業我們都是用今年做指標但是如果像鋼鐵或是螺絲他們可能從烏俄戰爭戰爭後\n蔡易餘委員：蔡易餘委員．蔡易餘委員\n對,那部長那針對這部分,你們現在要怎麼樣去協助像這些產業,平常他們很有競爭力,那遇到這樣一個景氣的一個寒冬的時候,那要不要協助他們渡過這個難關?第一個我們想到的是說,按照他現在的產業如何讓他能夠轉型、加值化。\n蔡易餘發言委員\n然後整理資訊來協助他但是因為他可能是很小的公司或者微型的企業所以我們會透過他的他整個的供應鏈的這個關係部長我現在你也知道像這樣的微型的供應鏈可是很多都是隱藏隱形冠軍嘛他可能像螺絲他只是做一個部分的一個螺絲的一個齁其中的一個小配件去行銷全世界\n所以事實上他們的競爭力是有的他們只是遇到產業循環的時候會遇到他們辛苦的時候所以我們會透過技術的成長我們會有金屬中心然後會有生產力中心我們會透過論壇\n然後把buyer把這個購買的這個廠家國外的廠家邀請進來臺灣然後透過論壇發表技術然後讓我們這中小微企業都能夠進到這個購買的這個程序然後我們來這個整合跟這個這個購買的這個公司從供應鏈開始幫他解決這個問題所以我們相信透過這個高質化\n然後再來我們就幫他因為整合以後供應鏈整合以後會讓他降低成本降低這個所謂配送的成本機會成本運送的成本來降低他的這個成本以後增加他的這個競爭力我相信我們透過整合以後把臺灣發展成適合在國內發展的產業跟適合做國外這個出口的這個產業那這樣子的話我想對他們來講幫助就會比較大\n那我想保證這部分就是要在現在他們需要到三天我想保證剛才說的這些當然我們沒辦法協助他們最實際的至少我們要把一些方向給他們因為他們開始這些產業現在是很辛苦的好不好我們會透過這個\n還有部長我覺得事實上現在也要關注一個議題\n我們看到日韓現在對於所謂移工的政策是大幅的放寬所以現在全世界都在搶人才這個人才也許不只是白領甚至藍領的人才事實上全世界都在搶我覺得台灣要正視這個問題因為台灣過去一直被說成是說在很多公司我們賣書是會替世界會替日本跟韓國會訓練人\n阿我們人家12單位 這些人就離開阿技術已經有阿 阿人就跑了阿這個都對於我們的產業是屬於不利的所以我們未來到底有沒有更進步的移工的一個政策\n蔡易餘 蔡易餘\n蔡英文議員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:12.418 --> 00:27.909\n議員質詢好謝謝主席那我們是不是有請部長請郭部長那以及商業發展署署長產業發展署現在是署長請商業署長然後還有中小及企業新創企業署企業署長\n\n00:33.683 --> 01:01.818\n委員好部長好部長那我今天在要質詢那我同時也希望這三個單位這個我們經濟部所詳這三個署那因為我我一直在疑惑那我們經濟部這樣做不同的署但是就人民來說他們一旦遇到需要經濟部要做一些對接的時候會怎麼做\n\n01:04.532 --> 01:24.264\n到底哪一些屬於商業發展哪一些屬於產業發展又哪一些屬於中小級新創企業我就比一個例子如果今天是包裝機的協會或者是工具機的協會他們要邀請國際的廠商都來台灣然後來舉辦在我們的世貿來舉辦策展\n\n01:33.329 --> 01:52.693\n那我們當然是希望經濟部來協助他們包括說場地啦包括很多事情都需要經濟部協助那這樣的一個包裝機的一個協會他是要找中小企業署還是要找產業發展署還是商業發展署應該是貿易署應該要貿易署因為他是國際貿易那就是貿易署所以這樣起來不是很難嗎\n\n02:00.234 --> 02:18.154\n我如果是說一個產業來講我想就是到我們的這個產業發展署那如果是它的形態它是屬於中小企業也可以透過中小企業發展署那如果是外國的廠商我們建議就走國貿署這樣子\n\n02:18.957 --> 02:21.759\n經濟部確實非常大,這裡面重疊的部分也有,但是我們會透過次長在協調這些事務。\n\n02:37.031 --> 02:56.317\n非常多複雜那那從山上到海邊都是經濟管的當然是很很大嗎那我現在是站在說好真正中小企業遇到協助的時候那我我再問一個例子嗎好像最在幾個月前有推出的深層的節能的一個計畫是那要推動了因為要因為要這個淨零碳排要\n\n02:59.438 --> 02:59.478\n蔡易餘\n\n03:16.948 --> 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