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00:02:34,787\n主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分\n\n9\n00:02:48,112 --> 00:03:09,174\n所以後來尤其是考機的部分因為預告的法案也引起了很多公務同仁的討論如果我記得我今年年初過年的時候還在處理這個新聞所以因此加上考試院在今年要面臨換屆所以後來也就是說把這個法案可能因為5月又新任部長才到任所以我們想說這個法案可能還要再做一些研討\n\n10\n00:03:10,131 --> 00:03:15,173\n所以就延宕下來了那我想請問一下如果現在比如說在右邊就是目前的公務人員考機法那個第12條規定就是什麼樣的狀況才能夠一次計兩大過處分因為這一次的謝易榮我們院長非常快的就宣布要給他計兩大過處分而且給他免職而且終身不能入用事實上這個其實並不是行政院長的職權\n\n11\n00:03:38,660 --> 00:03:45,165\n主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分\n\n12\n00:04:06,369 --> 00:04:12,771\n五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部五、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算\n\n13\n00:04:34,777 --> 00:05:01,663\n我們擔心的是這一點這應該不用擔心因為考期法本來用的方式比較是廣泛性那我們可以從這裡面去適用很多的個案那現在如果需要所以當初我們修法的時候有些特定的我們不喜歡的我們不應該出現的行為我們特別把它列出來所以就增列了那個修正法像酒駕啦跟騷啦霸凌啦這些單獨再增列一條那我想請問一下在雖然這個\n\n14\n00:05:02,583 --> 00:05:21,558\n你們新的修正草案在其他的部分引起了比較多的爭議但是這個沒有爭議的部分可不可以先行送出來我們大概會先單獨切開單獨送這個就先單獨送出來我覺得這樣是比較好一點至少能夠回應現在大家社會對於公務人員在職場環境的一個期待\n\n15\n00:05:23,660 --> 00:05:25,081\n收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分\n\n16\n00:05:52,389 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Kacaw","楊瓊瓔","徐欣瑩","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","吳宗憲","莊瑞雄","王鴻薇","謝龍介"],"page_start":359,"meetingDate":["2024-11-27"],"gazette_id":"11310702","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11310702_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第16次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於考試院及所屬主管收支部分；二、審查114年度中央政府\n總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於考試院考選部主管「考選業務基金」收支部分；三、審查\n114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於考試院銓敘部主管「公務人員退休撫卹\n基金」收支部分；四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於考試院銓敘\n部主管「公教人員個人專戶制退撫儲金基金」收支部分；五、審查及處理113年度中央政府總預\n算關於考試院主管預算凍結項目共4案【第一案至第四案僅進行詢答】","agenda_id":"11310702_00003"}}}