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00:03:30,892\n第二個的重點是我們丟的錢有不少是拿來做公共建設當我們丟不少的錢下去做公共建設的時候它是不是會提升當地土地利用的價值?是嗎?那如果提升當地土地利用的價值那些地主不就是應該要回饋嗎?部長我有說錯嗎?\n\n9\n00:03:35,826 --> 00:04:03,316\n因為我們所有的國家風景區其實都會有做這樣子硬體的投資那範圍其實蠻廣啦範圍非常廣所以很難去講說哪邊的地主獲利了那哪邊的地主該做回饋部長你可能對這個計畫還不是很熟啦今天質詢跟以前一樣只是暖身先讓部長知道這件事情然後讓部長回去了解狀況因為你們所畫的每一個區塊的圖\n\n10\n00:04:05,273 --> 00:04:18,934\n我已經全部都調來看了我為什麼今天提這個質詢呢兩件事第一個大鵬灣的風景區如果能夠像賴清德總統所講的一樣成為夏威夷\n\n11\n00:04:19,898 --> 00:04:49,142\n我也樂觀其成只不過說政治人物喊口號很會而且這還是一個舊的口號以前人家已經喊過了那可能喊的人沒有當選總統沒有機會實現賴清德當選了總統希望他有機會實現但錢花下去能不能實現就是我們作為民意代表應該要監督的事項但是還有第二個部分我們國家花了那麼多錢去當地\n\n12\n00:04:50,899 --> 00:05:15,673\n大鵬灣那邊投資了非常多的公共建設在整個國家開發的計畫裡面只要納稅人有投資下去開發當地的建設導致那邊的地皮漲價的時候一定都有回饋的規定所以我拜讀啦從以前到現在的計畫來請部長仔細看之前\n\n13\n00:05:19,929 --> 00:05:44,704\n要求的是開發強度暴增啊這不關你的事這個我會去質詢內政部但是跟交通部有關係的是什麼來看一下回饋本來是要求土地20%回饋金6%那個土地啊要用市價計算要用市價計算到現在變成什麼樣子我跟部長報告一下\n\n14\n00:05:47,240 --> 00:06:08,334\n從26%的回饋降低到15%而且這15%是用公告限值計算一個是市價26一個是15公告限值我只有個最根本的問題當初交通部誰點頭同意這個回饋降成這個樣子光硬體的建設\n\n15\n00:06:09,960 --> 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